Euro 2016 Qualifying [Archive] - Page 13

Kingdom

16/06/2015, 9:44 PM

I dont know what I meant. It's weird, I have 4 on my list don't know why i didn't see them. 1994 vs Germany, 1951, 1956 and 1960 vs West Germany. I don't have the 1936 game so maybe that wasn't an official game? I have a game we played against Germany and lost 2-1 in 1970-05-09 in Berlin, but no record for Dublin. I need to update my lists!

We'll let you off this time. One more slip though and it'll be a night in the cells with Gerrit.

Crosby87

16/06/2015, 11:31 PM

Not many people know that now, but there you are. We wouldn't have the Jack Charlton era except that a makeshift irish team managed to beat a West German team, with aplomb.

NI only tried it with abomb.

TheBoss

17/06/2015, 12:17 AM

Just for to clarification, here all matches between Ireland and Germany. Oddly enough it will be the fourth year in a row that Ireland will be playing Germany in October and the fifth time in a row aswell!

DATE
TYPE
MANAGER
TOURNAMENT
H/A
OPPONENT
SCR
RES

08-May-35
Friendly
Committee
None
AWAY
Germany
1-3
LOSS

17-Oct-36
Friendly
Committee
None
HOME
Germany
5-2
WIN

23-May-39
Friendly
Committee
None
AWAY
Germany
1-1
DRAW

17-Oct-51
Friendly
Committee
None
HOME
West Germany
3-2
WIN

04-May-52
Friendly
Committee
None
AWAY
West Germany
0-3
LOSS

28-May-55
Friendly
Committee
None
AWAY
West Germany
1-2
LOSS

25-Nov-56
Friendly
Committee
None
HOME
West Germany
3-0
WIN

11-May-60
Friendly
Committee
None
AWAY
West Germany
1-0
WIN

04-May-66
Friendly
Committee
None
HOME
West Germany
0-4
LOSS

09-May-70
Friendly
Mick Meagan
None
AWAY
West Germany
1-2
LOSS

01-Mar-75
Friendly
Johnny Giles
None
HOME
West Germany 'B'
1-0
WIN

22-May-79
Friendly
Johnny Giles
None
HOME
West Germany
1-3
LOSS

21-May-81
Friendly
Eoin Hand
None
AWAY
West Germany 'B'
0-3
LOSS

06-Sep-89
Friendly
Jack Charlton
None
HOME
West Germany
1-1
DRAW

29-May-94
Friendly
Jack Charlton
None
AWAY
Germany
2-0
WIN

05-Jun-02
Competitive
Mick McCarthy
FIFA World Cup
NEUTRAL
Germany
1-1
DRAW

02-Sep-06
Competitive
Steve Staunton
UEFA Euro Qualifier
AWAY
Germany
0-1
LOSS

13-Oct-07
Competitive
Steve Staunton
UEFA Euro Qualifier
HOME
Germany
0-0
DRAW

12-Oct-12
Competitive
Giovanni Trapattoni
FIFA World Cup Qualifier
HOME
Germany
1-6
LOSS

11-Oct-13
Competitive
Noel King
FIFA World Cup Qualifier
AWAY
Germany
0-3
LOSS

14-Oct-14
Competitive
Martin O'Neill
UEFA Euro Qualifier
AWAY
Germany
1-1
DRAW

paul_oshea

17/06/2015, 7:33 AM

The Germans owe us one after the war is now a good time to recall this favour?

geysir

17/06/2015, 7:59 AM

Just for to clarification, here all matches between Ireland and Germany. Oddly enough it will be the fourth year in a row that Ireland will be playing Germany in October and the fifth time in a row aswell!

Just for added clarification (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Ireland_national_football_team_1970s_r esults), unofficial but they all count :)
1972

4 January 1972

Republic of Ireland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Ireland_national_football_team) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Flag_of_Ireland.svg/23px-Flag_of_Ireland.svg.png
3–0
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/ba/Flag_of_Germany.svg/23px-Flag_of_Germany.svg.png West German Olympic XI (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_national_football_team) [2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Ireland_national_football_team_1970s_r esults#cite_note-2)

Mick Martin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mick_Martin)
Herrick (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Herrick)
Fairclough (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mick_Fairclough)

BonnieShels

18/06/2015, 8:24 AM

Did we ever play the East Germans?

geysir

18/06/2015, 10:53 AM

I don't think so, probably not catholic enough, like Poland.

DeLorean

23/07/2015, 3:57 PM

Croatia deducted one point from Euro 2016 qualifiers over swastika image (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jul/23/croatia-euro-2016-swastika-uefa)

TheOneWhoKnocks

23/07/2015, 6:24 PM

Croatia deducted one point from Euro 2016 qualifiers over swastika image (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jul/23/croatia-euro-2016-swastika-uefa)

The equivalent of an Irish hoodlum being given another suspended sentence after a 173rd conviction for a violent offense.

back of the net

23/07/2015, 6:33 PM

Croatia deducted one point from Euro 2016 qualifiers over swastika image (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jul/23/croatia-euro-2016-swastika-uefa)

Disgraceful punishment

Not enuf....they shud thrown out of the competition and given a severe fine

davidatrb

04/09/2015, 6:32 PM

Assuming both teams beat Gibraltar then we have to beat one of the others where Scotland lose and match the rest of their results. Best hope seems to be Scotland to slip up against Georgia in a hopefully tricky away fixture.

Called it!

Stuttgart88

04/09/2015, 10:12 PM

Wow David, sheer genius

back of the net

04/09/2015, 10:57 PM

Called it!

Hahahaha ...what age are you ?

Funniest post I have read on this forum. ....although I am bit drunk now....so it's probably not that funny.

Kingdom

05/09/2015, 3:27 AM

Spudulika

05/09/2015, 6:30 AM

Disgraceful punishment

Not enuf....they shud thrown out of the competition and given a severe fine

For their behaviour in the last decade alone they should be severely sanctioned. Football in the Balkans is racist, sectarian, ethnically divided and in real trouble, yet it's very rare to see the London-led media (who guide our own crew) in reporting on it with the same orgasmic delight as even minor incidents in Russia. Mainly because nobody gives a damn about the Balkans, until the next war erupts.

back of the net

05/09/2015, 7:47 AM

For their behaviour in the last decade alone they should be severely sanctioned. Football in the Balkans is racist, sectarian, ethnically divided and in real trouble, yet it's very rare to see the London-led media (who guide our own crew) in reporting on it with the same orgasmic delight as even minor incidents in Russia. Mainly because nobody gives a damn about the Balkans, until the next war erupts.

Sad......but true

On a very seperate note.....our new away Jersey.....seemingly....im not feeling it

http://www.balls.ie/football/ireland-away-jersey/307588

elroy

05/09/2015, 1:18 PM

If proof was ever needed that you don't need to be a strong technical team to have success at international level then the North are it. Yes they have a favourable group with an unprecedented collapse by the first seed but it is still very impressive. Maybe we hired the wrong O'Neill

SwanVsDalton

06/09/2015, 5:59 PM

Just watching Israel and Wales when I noticed this:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/85/Israel_football_association.svg/901px-Israel_football_association.svg.png

Not content with templated jerseys, are there templated national crests now as well?

DannyInvincible

06/09/2015, 6:16 PM

They've had that for quite a few years now, although it seems they ripped off our design: http://foot.ie/threads/91571-New-Israel-Crest-Seem-Familiar & http://foot.ie/threads/95954-Israeli-FA-rip-off!

MeathDrog

06/09/2015, 6:19 PM

Taking things that aren't theirs is second nature to Israel.

tricky_colour

06/09/2015, 9:05 PM

Looks like they had it done on the cheap the IFA must have a tight grip on finance :)

Fergie's Son

07/09/2015, 5:23 PM

Oh please. You invade a country then you should be prepared for the consequences.

davidatrb

07/09/2015, 9:49 PM

Definitely jumping the gun on this, but considering we're now in third spot, has anyone looked at the potential opponents?

Holland almost a certainty,
Israel (although Bosnia could pip them),
Ukraine too.
Slovenia
Hungary
Russia or Montenegro (the last match between them in Petersburg is a decider)
Norway
1 from Albania/Portugal/Denmark - a poxy group of the highest order.

I'd expect whoever comes third in that final group will qualify automatically. I'd imagine Holland, Ukraine, Russia will be seeds. I'm not sure if it's possible for us to be seeded, given Hungary and Norway's improvement.

If we're not seeded <shudders>, but even if we were to be seeded, I still wouldn't fancy us, I'd be praying for Israel or for Slovenia to mess up and hope that Estonia or Lithuania can capitalise. Even Hungary.

According to http://www.footballseeding.com/national-ranking-uefa/ we would currently be ranked 21st in UEFA.

What we want is for these guys to finish 3rd.

Group A: Turkey (26th) ,
Group B: Israel (27th),
Group E: Estonia (29th) or Slovenia (38th)
Group H: Norway(23rd)

Most are already third just need Israel to hold off Bosnia, and Turkey to hold off Netherlands for them both to keep third. Need Croatia to over take Norway and drop Norway into 3rd.

A little more far fetched would be below, but would also help us be seeded for the playoff draw - if we make it.

We can also root for Montenegro (32nd) to somehow nip Russia (15th) for 3rd in G.

In Group C we could hope for Slovakia (24th) to slip behind Ukraine (14th).

I left out Group F, in which Hungary(19th) are in third, so it might help if Finland(35th) could reel them in.

pineapple stu

08/09/2015, 8:46 AM

Worth noting that if Denmark lose away to Portugal in their last match, Albania need one win from their last two games to qualify - and join Iceland, Wales and the North.

They were a minute away from a 0-0 draw against Portugal last night as well, having beaten them in Lisbon.

Spudulika

08/09/2015, 9:06 AM

I think that now there is a serious chance that Russia will get 2nd, unless Sweden beat Austria tonight. Russia played some good football on Saturday (though flicking between it and the Dubs match made me realise that such behaviour is poison if you want to watch soccer) and are pumped up. They've 9 points to come now and only a Swedish win tonight means they'll be 2nd. Facing Sweden will not be fun!

fionnsci

08/09/2015, 9:49 AM

davidatrb

08/09/2015, 11:35 AM

http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/competitions/General/02/25/84/05/2258405_DOWNLOAD.pdf

Norway, Slovenia, Turkey are quite close to us in the rankings, what are the chances they'd catch us by the time the draw is made? Is there an outside chance we'd catch Hungary? I've been slaving over the other groups for an hour now but I can't wrap my head around the co-eff system.

We will probably need to beat Germany or Poland to stay ahead of Norway because they should win at least one more (they have Malta and Italy to play). A win and loss for Norway would leave them about 26439pts. A draw and loss for us would leave us about 26082pts.

Turkey have Iceland and Czech to play, we're hoping they win one or whatever it takes to stay ahead of Netherlands,but realistically I don't see them picking up much more co-efficient points than we will (they like us have the two table toppers to play), but if they do then they will pass us. For example if we lose and draw and Turkey win and draw then they will pip us by about 100 pts and be seeded ahead of us.

Slovenia have Estonia (1/2 favourites tonight - so expecting wins), San Marino and Lithuania to play. They could pick up alot of points - could be quite close. I think three wins gives them about 26241 pts and a loss and a draw gives us 26082 pts (from what I understand from the page http://www.footballseeding.com/national-ranking-uefa/).

Hungary have Faroes and Greece so I would say no chance of catching them.

A win against Poland might be absolutely critical to being seeded for the playoff if we make it.

geysir

08/09/2015, 12:09 PM

Each to own, but I can totally defer all thoughts about play-off possibilities until the play-off berth become a fact.

DeLorean

08/09/2015, 12:22 PM

Great to have a few mathematicians on hand too though to give us an idea.

davidatrb

08/09/2015, 12:38 PM

paul_oshea

08/09/2015, 1:04 PM

According to http://www.footballseeding.com/national-ranking-uefa/ we would currently be ranked 21st in UEFA.

What we want is for these guys to finish 3rd.

Group A: Turkey (26th) ,
Group B: Israel (27th),
Group E: Estonia (29th) or Slovenia (38th)
Group H: Norway(23rd)

Most are already third just need Israel to hold off Bosnia, and Turkey to hold off Netherlands for them both to keep third. Need Croatia to over take Norway and drop Norway into 3rd.

A little more far fetched would be below, but would also help us be seeded for the playoff draw - if we make it.

We can also root for Montenegro (32nd) to somehow nip Russia (15th) for 3rd in G.

In Group C we could hope for Slovakia (24th) to slip behind Ukraine (14th).

I left out Group F, in which Hungary(19th) are in third, so it might help if Finland(35th) could reel them in.

I wouldnt want some of those teams as non-seeded where we were seeded!

I hate the term to "owe" in football but i'd love to see us get one over on Israel, the closest they would ever have been to qualifying in a long long time and we could take that from them :0

Yard of Pace

08/09/2015, 3:06 PM

Not just Israel, Dudu Aouate in particular. (Even if he's retired these days)

tetsujin1979

08/09/2015, 6:28 PM

Worked out the permutations table for the final fixtures in Group D: http://irish-abroad.appspot.com/Blog?id=9027469679217562629
Let me know if there's any mistakes

Stuttgart88

08/09/2015, 7:06 PM

"Ireland beat to Germany" isn't grammatically correct.

tetsujin1979

08/09/2015, 7:40 PM

"Ireland beat to Germany" isn't grammatically correct.
You're not grammatically correct!

tricky_colour

08/09/2015, 7:46 PM

Worked out the permutations table for the final fixtures in Group D: http://irish-abroad.appspot.com/Blog?id=9027469679217562629
Let me know if there's any mistakes

I think there is a mistake as we can top, as I posted in the other thread.

http://foot.ie/threads/203843-Gibraltar-(a)-Fri-4th-Sept-amp-Georgia-(h)-Mon-7th-Sept?p=1837808&viewfull=1#post1837808

None of your combination show us topping the group!

Just realised we can top the group!!! http://www.pic4ever.com/images/greenstars.gif

Win our last two matches and Georgia get anything in Germany we top the group!!! http://www.pic4ever.com/images/greenstars.gif

zero

08/09/2015, 7:48 PM

I think there is a mistake as we can top, as I posted in the other thread.

http://foot.ie/threads/203843-Gibraltar-(a)-Fri-4th-Sept-amp-Georgia-(h)-Mon-7th-Sept?p=1837808&viewfull=1#post1837808

None of your combination show us topping the group!

he did say before the grid that 2 assumptions were made

Scotland will be Gibraltar in their final qualifier in Faro (another small typo there in 'be')
Germany will beat Georgia in their final qualifier in Leipzig

tricky_colour

08/09/2015, 7:53 PM

19 Germany
15 Ireland

So win win for Ireland give us 21 points so Germany must beat Georgia to top the group.

Germany 22 they win v Georgia and lose to us.
Ireland 21 we win v Germany and Poland

Ireland 21 we win v Germany and Poland
Germany 20 draw v Georgia and lose to us.

Ireland 21 we win v Germany and Poland
Germany 19 lose v Georgia and lose to us.

DeLorean

08/09/2015, 8:24 PM

davidatrb

08/09/2015, 8:29 PM

Worked out the permutations table for the final fixtures in Group D: http://irish-abroad.appspot.com/Blog?id=9027469679217562629
Let me know if there's any mistakes

This looks great. 22 of the 27 permutations sees us make the playoffs at least!

zero

08/09/2015, 8:36 PM

Okay last word for now. It is a bit premature, and there are too many permutations to make your head spin even where we want some teams to do well but not too well!

So simply as it stands now

Croatia are automatic best placed third place.

Ukraine (14), Russia (15), Hungary (19) and Ireland (21) would be seeded.
Turkey (26), Israel (27), Albania (31) and Estonia (38) would be unseeded.

i've albania finishing 2nd in their group - they are a point behind denmark but the danes have played a game more and their last fixture is away to portugal. that puts denmark third who are well ahead of us.

i've slovenia to finish 3rd in their group but they are behind us in point anyway and would be unseeded.

so... as you say to be seeded in the playoffs we'd need to catch hungary and stay ahead of the turks - which means a win in warsaw i think.

tetsujin1979

08/09/2015, 9:39 PM

This looks great. 22 of the 27 permutations sees us make the playoffs at least!
Yeah, but 16 of our chances are dependent on getting a result against Germany
Realistically, we're looking at the bottom line in the table, which gives us six chances from nine

Stuttgart88

08/09/2015, 10:03 PM

Think about this and put yourself in the shoes of a nerdy footy fan standing at Lansdowne Road in the early 80s:

Iceland, Albania, NI and Wales qualify or are on the verge. Turkey, former World Cup semi-finalists but who used to be so cr@p even David O'Leary once scored against them, disappoint by coming third, ahead of thoroughbred Holland in fourth. It's a shock that Greece, former European champions, are now sh1t (again).

Russia, the biggest country in Europe, are struggling and mighty Italy only beat Malta 1-0 a few days ago. Hungary, the country that once revolutionised football haven't qualified for a generation and might still not qualify this time.

Time stands still for no man, or football country.

And some people think international football is boring.

Crosby87

08/09/2015, 10:24 PM

That was good Stutts. I guess things are all relative. Did Hungary really revolutionize the game? I have a Puskas jersey somewhere from an uncle going there on business. :plane:

geysir

08/09/2015, 11:59 PM

Austria 3-0 up in Stockholm. We may have been a little too enthusiastic about that World Cup draw. I know that relative to what we could have got it was still very kind, but they're really starting to look like the stand out team.
Very impressive by Austria ........ but I still hate everything about them.

Re wc 2018 qualifiers, we just have to keep our heads down while Austria, Wales and Serbia kick lumps out of each other.

DannyInvincible

09/09/2015, 3:29 PM

Yeah, but 16 of our chances are dependent on getting a result against Germany
Realistically, we're looking at the bottom line in the table, which gives us six chances from nine

Just having a look at the odds to qualify (http://www.oddschecker.com/football/euro-2016/to-qualify): we're at 5/4 whilst you'll get between 12/1 and 7/1 for Scotland.

davidatrb

09/09/2015, 4:49 PM

Just having a look at the odds to qualify (http://www.oddschecker.com/football/euro-2016/to-qualify): we're at 5/4 whilst you'll get between 12/1 and 7/1 for Scotland.

Or 6/4 to Qualify with Paddypower, or much much more likely 1/2 not to qualify.

The results last night now have Ukraine as automatic 3rd place qualifiers now instead of Croatia. And Sweden in the playoffs instead of Russia. But it doesn't really change much from Ireland's stand point. Still precariously perched as seed but really we need to beat Poland (or Germany) to make sure that Israel, Norway, Turkey or Slovenia don't out rank us in the UEFA co-efficient system. We also have to rely on Turkey and Israel holding off Netherlands and Bosnia respectively to hold on to their 3rd spots. And hope that Albania don't overtake Denmark.

Some notes on the different scenarios here: http://fog2014.blogspot.ie/2015/09/irelands-precarious-path-to-france-2016.html

ArdeeBhoy

09/09/2015, 5:36 PM

At Sweden v.Austria last night.

The home team were so awful, even Ireland might win there...

Austria however, looked a formidable side, looked out of our league currently.

elroy

09/09/2015, 8:02 PM

For all its detractors, I think the increased euros has being an overwhelming success so far as has the spreading out of games. I think the better chances of qualifying has provided massive incentive to many teams and it is amazing to see some of the teams that are in automatic qualifying spots. Perhaps the only top seed that has run away with things is England but their group is very easy.

It at least means that every four years, a large proportion have competitors have good qualifying chances. Unlike the WC qualifiers which is becoming all the more difficult particularly when hosted in Europe.