Richard Keogh

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Report him or ignore him then FFS. If all the posters who post about him and how they should just ignore him actually did that, he'd die of starvation.

Instead his posts are microanalysed and commented on, giving him the attention he needs.

Or worse, people bait him into comments (as in the Robbie Keane thread) and then scorn his inevitable reaction.

It's all very silly and annoying for somebody like me to see, who actually just does ignore the posters on this site that I think there is no point in engaging with.

I think what annoys people more is the fact that I can take a lot of abuse and name calling but never stoop to that level.

I'm sorry. I won't say anything about Robbie Keane or Richard Keogh again and I'll just turn the other cheek when Stephen Ward and Conor Sammon get slagged off as a matter of due course.

There. Problem solved. And I don't ignore people. What is this, secondary school?

[DannyInvincible]

Report him or ignore him then FFS. If all the posters who post about him and how they should just ignore him actually did that, he'd die of starvation.

Instead his posts are microanalysed and commented on, giving him the attention he needs.

Or worse, people bait him into comments (as in the Robbie Keane thread) and then scorn his inevitable reaction.

It's all very silly and annoying for somebody like me to see, who actually just does ignore the posters on this site that I think there is no point in engaging with.

But, how do the rest of us goons know who to ignore and who not to ignore, sensei?

[Razors left peg]

Is there actually an argument going on here whether Keogh is feeling bad enough about costing his team promotion???

For christ sake, hes a footballer who made a mistake, whats he supposed to do? Is he supposed to climb Croke Patrick on his knees begging for forgiveness or is he supposed to be professional and try move the f*** on and forget it ASAP?

And so what if he goes in for a bit of self promotion. You have to be confident to be a pro athlete in the first place and he wants to play at the highest level possible. Im delighted to hear hes not just happy staying in the lower divisions taking a wage. Everyone talks themselves up when theres a chance of promotion in any job, ya would exactly go into an interview and say " Ah yeah I make loads of mistakes in my job and Im pretty crap really"!

As it happens Im not a huge fan of Keogh, but Id like to see him tested in the Premiership to see how good he really is.

[DeLorean]

Nobody is fully convinced by Keogh at this point really, TOWK has just mangled this thread so much that it seems that the likes of me are campaigning for his inclusion, when really we're just monitoring his progress and hoping he does well.

[osarusan]

But, how do the rest of us goons know who to ignore and who not to ignore, sensei?
What on earth are you talking about? I'm not suggesting who you should and should not ignore.

[paul_oshea]

You know what to do osarusan. don't get angry just ignore him.

[DannyInvincible]

What on earth are you talking about? I'm not suggesting who you should and should not ignore.

Hehe, you seemed annoyed that other posters don't ignore a poster you prefer to ignore and seemed keen to impress upon us the ability of someone like yourself to take the moral high ground and rise above it all, by, funnily enough, posting about it and involving yourself. Just in case anyone might have erroneously assumed that your non-involvement was not an active and noble decision. I found it mildly amusing, but as POS advises, just ignore the bait! ;)

[osarusan]

Moral high ground, noble decisions...whatever.

I made a fairly simple point - if the posters who go on about there being no point even trying, that it's a waste of time, etc, actually just didn't respond to the poster at all, then there's be less for them to be frustrated about.

You, for whatever reason, decided to ignore that, and make some condescending comments and implications. Well done you.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Why is it trolling when I slate Richard Keogh? Other people make a cottage industry out of abusing Stephen Ward and Conor Sammon but I don't cast aspersions on it.

... and how am I attention seeking exactly? By defending myself when people childishly pick holes in every comment I make, try to get a rise out of me by bringing up Keogh, Pilkington and Keane on threads that have nothing to do with them and call me a moron?

This is all very condescending and patronising to me.

Attention seeking is posting pictures of 17 or 18 year old footballers and saying "he looks.." and making crass comments about people who are in comas.

[SkStu]

I made a fairly simple point - if the posters who go on about there being no point even trying, that it's a waste of time, etc, actually just didn't respond to the poster at all, then there's be less for them to be frustrated about.

It's still hella frustrating.

Even knowing that TOWK exists in the same world as me annoys me.

[DannyInvincible]

I made a fairly simple point - if the posters who go on about there being no point even trying, that it's a waste of time, etc, actually just didn't respond to the poster at all, then there's be less for them to be frustrated about.

Fair enough. Sure, people can ignore him if they see fit.


You, for whatever reason, decided to ignore that, and make some condescending comments and implications. Well done you.

Well, I don't mind having it out in a good argument. Rather than displaying argumentative tendencies, however, maybe such personal habits display masochistic tendencies! :p

I certainly wasn't trying to be condescending. If anything, I thought I was highlighting condescension.

[paul_oshea]

New word for me, you put the americanisation on words for me, thanks DI.

I didnt think you were doing too bad, perhaps its the menopause, or that time of the month? Like Pat rabbitte am i allowed to say that stuff anymore?

[Olé Olé]

Why is it trolling when I slate Richard Keogh? Other people make a cottage industry out of abusing Stephen Ward and Conor Sammon but I don't cast aspersions on it.

... and how am I attention seeking exactly? By defending myself when people childishly pick holes in every comment I make, try to get a rise out of me by bringing up Keogh, Pilkington and Keane on threads that have nothing to do with them and call me a moron?

This is all very condescending and patronising to me.

Attention seeking is posting pictures of 17 or 18 year old footballers and saying "he looks.." and making crass comments about people who are in comas.

So you decide to involve other posters by taking a swing at them?

Severe case of the following:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Qpytd3HijQ0/T83bc_5xCXI/AAAAAAAAACk/nN7m38QYAH8/s1600/Balotelli.jpg

[paul_oshea]

Cant we all just get along?

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

It's still hella frustrating.

Even knowing that TOWK exists in the same world as me annoys me.

Drama queen much?

Stop deliberately trying to provoke arguments and I won't annoy you so much.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

You can't keep a good man down.

Team spokesman, Richard, looks forward to qualification campaign. :laugh:

http://www.independent.ie/sport/richard-keogh-tips-portugal-to-be-a-major-world-cup-threat-30347132.html

[SwanVsDalton]

It feels like yesterday when these type of posts were reserved for Andy. But when one Keogh closes, another one opens.

[paul_oshea]

"Of course I am excited. I feel like I'm getting better all the time, I'm hopefully coming into my best years. I'm in good form, I feel good about myself and I'm learning all the time."

good man richard yer in mighty form.

[Closed Account]

Bit early to throw him on the scrapheap. As TOWK mentioned elsewhere, he's only being playing center back in recent seasons. Damien Delaney for example was playing left back for QPR at Richards age and look at him now. Keogh may bounce back
and be a useful squad member in the future.

[DeLorean]

Can't question his mental strength anyway. Johnny Giles would be seriously impressed with his moral courage, if not his actual defending recently! To be fair though, the guy wouldn't be human if the playoff mistake didn't effect him and it was an awful state of mind to approaching these Ireland games, with such a huge step up in quality to deal with. Worse still, he was only playing alongside another rookie at that level in Pearce. That's an almighty difference in itself than Sledge coming in alongside Dunne. Not making excuses for him or anything, this level may always be a step too much for him, but hopefully he can continue where he left off with Derby in August.... well, not exactly where he left off obviously :)

[Fixer82]

Bit early to throw him on the scrapheap. As TOWK mentioned elsewhere, he's only being playing center back in recent seasons. Damien Delaney for example was playing left back for QPR at Richards age and look at him now. Keogh may bounce back
and be a useful squad member in the future.

I think that's one of our problems. We have an ageing squad and there's no Robbies or Damiens coming through.
I have hopes for Brady if he stays injury free, but don't think he's as explosive as Robbie and Damien were. He's like a quicker Andy Reid

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Pick people with scope for improvement like Duffy and Gunning for the next squad or else people who you know will do a job as back up like O'Dea or McShane.

It's a huge risk to have Keogh anywhere near a squad for a competitive game. He should be approaching his peak and he says he's still learning?!

Yeah. Let's have him learn on the job against Georgia, Scotland or Germany and see how it goes.

I feel sorry for Pearce. He looked assured alongside O'Shea against Italy. He would probably be a solid enough bet alongside a senior CB.

[Charlie Darwin]

It's a huge risk to have Keogh anywhere near a squad for a competitive game. He should be approaching his peak and he says he's still learning?!
This is what people mean. You've picked up on a completely innocuous statement and incredibly turned it into some sort of unfathomable personal failure. Yes, he's still learning. Seamus Coleman is still learning. Robbie Keane is still learning. Shay Given is still learning. Cristiano Ronaldo is still learning (but not today because his knee hurts). But you just have to pursue your bizarre agenda against our ninth-choice centre half.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

This is what people mean. You've picked up on a completely innocuous statement and incredibly turned it into some sort of unfathomable personal failure. Yes, he's still learning. Seamus Coleman is still learning. Robbie Keane is still learning. Shay Given is still learning. Cristiano Ronaldo is still learning (but not today because his knee hurts). But you just have to pursue your bizarre agenda against our ninth-choice centre half.

9th choice? Tell that to Richard. He seems to think he's already in the squad for the games in September!

[Charlie Darwin]

Why does it matter so much to you? Let him overestimate his own ability if it makes him happy.

[PatJR]

He seems to think he's already in the squad for the games in September!

Or.....good for him. Clearly wants to play for Ireland, positive and has belief in himself. Generally speaking Ireland could do with more people with this type of personality.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

What we could probably do with is more people who do their talking on the pitch but thankfully that's what most of the squad is like.

[paul_oshea]

Gary breen had lots of self belief too and Alan kernaghan before him

[Charlie Darwin]

We all dream of a team of Richard Keoghs.

[Fixer82]

Or.....good for him. Clearly wants to play for Ireland, positive and has belief in himself. Generally speaking Ireland could do with more people with this type of personality.

Abolsutely good for him. I'd expect nothing else from him. What would we be all thinking if he said "I'm really not going to improve any more at this stage".

Sport is 50% mentality and 50% talent.*

*Disclaimer: 78% of all statistics are made up on the spot

[gastric]

A nice article on Keogh, you will love it TOWK!

http://www.dcfc.co.uk/news/article/richard-keogh-insists-im-in-a-good-place-2907-1788042.aspx

[Stuttgart88]

Eh, didn't we lose 5-1?

I love the charitable description of his Wembley slip up: "he didn't make the contact he would have liked".

It's a bit like Emperor Hirohito saying the war has developed not necessarily to Japan's advantage, after two cities had been obliterated by atom bombs.

I'm curious about the comment by the writer where he says all of these views were unprompted. It was a flipping interview. An interview, by definition, is a prompt to offer opinions. It does appear true though that Richard does wear his heart on his sleeve. It doesn't bother me.

[Charlie Darwin]

Keogh "suffered the physical results of a bad clearance".

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

I love how everyone ripped the **** out of me for what I said about Keogh a few months ago and now slowly, but surely, everyone is coming round to my way of thinking.

The lad was shaky against Serbia, shaky against Costa Rica and calamitous against Portugal. How many chances are we going to give a 28 year old liability who is a relative novice at Championship level?

He compliments his own performance against Costa Rica even though they were unable/unmotivated to challenge Ireland's backline and the one time they do threaten is when Keogh is shrugged off the ball - a recurring theme against Portugal.

There was not one peep from him when it came to Shane Duffy's debut performance in that game - not a single compliment - yet Duffy looked more experienced than him out there.

It's absolutely laughable the stuff he has been coming out with about the standard of his performances, "learning" and looking forward to his "next call up".

We have Dunne, O'Shea, Wilson, Delaney, St Ledger, Clark, Pearce, Duffy, O'Dea and McShane as vastly superior options and young lads like Kiernan and Hoban who aren't far off a senior call up.

He deserves a medal for self-promotion but to paraphrase Stutts, "he talks a good game but...."

He's a liability and I think I speak for a lot of us that I will be very worried if I see his name anywhere near a teamsheet let alone a bench again.

[Charlie Darwin]

I see a lot of Paul O'Shea in you, TOWK.

[tetsujin1979]

I love how everyone ripped the **** out of me for what I said about Keogh a few months ago and now slowly, but surely, everyone is coming round to my way of thinking. No, they're not. Actually, I suspect the general consensus on him hasn't changed much.


The lad was shaky against Serbia, shaky against Costa Rica and calamitous against Portugal. How many chances are we going to give a 28 year old liability who is a relative novice at Championship level?Starting his fifth season of Championship football. Hardly a novice.


There was not one peep from him when it came to Shane Duffy's debut performance in that game - not a single compliment - yet Duffy looked more experienced than him out there.Why would he mention it? Was he asked about Duffy's performance? Did he give any interviews after the game? If so, what players did he mention?


It's absolutely laughable the stuff he has been coming out with about the standard of his performances, "learning" and looking forward to his "next call up".it's almost like he wants to play for his country, isn't it?


We have Dunne, O'Shea, Wilson, Delaney, St Ledger, Clark, Pearce, Duffy, O'Dea and McShane as vastly superior options and young lads like Kiernan and Hoban who aren't far off a senior call up.Yes, Yes, full back so not an apt comparison, probably, not at the moment, maybe, maybe, doubtful, and maybe. Kiernan spent the first half of last season playing League Two football, and Hoban spent most of last season on the bench. Neither are viable options at the moment

[Charlie Darwin]

Hoban was injured most of the season, tets, not on the bench.

[tetsujin1979]

Hoban was injured most of the season, tets, not on the bench.
He was an unused sub 12 times between January and the end of the season: http://irish-abroad.appspot.com/PlayerDetails?playerID=59470&seasonID=143
only 6 appearances in total (4 starts, twice off the bench)

[Charlie Darwin]

Aye, but he was coming back from injury so you wouldn't expect him to be starting. I think it's misleading to say he was on the bench for most of the season when he missed five months with injury and then worked his way back to being an irregular substitute.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Tets, people were touting Keogh as a decent third or fourth choice option in defence around a year ago. Are you honestly telling me you wouldn't be bricking it if he was playing against Germany, Scotland and Poland? Every time he has been tested, he has looked shaky.

Started playing Championship football at 24. Began playing Championship football at full-back. Playing at a lower level and/or significantly older than other CB options. He is not an improvement on O'Dea, McShane or St Ledger. None of them deserve to be ousted by him after his spring and summer performances. Others are established.

Why wouldn't he mention him? He's a 22 year old lad making his debut for his country. If he wasn't so self-absorbed, maybe he would congratulate the kid on a strong debut but he's too busy praising himself. It's just like the self-absolution after the Derby Playoff loss. And just like shrugging off being culpable for virtually every goal in that hammering against Portugal.

Tets, everyone wants to play for their country. We got it the first 5 or 6 times he said it. Why does he keep saying it? National pride or campaigning for a squad place? And how on Earth would anyone assume they are guaranteed to be in the next squad after those performances?! The guy should just put his head down instead of constantly doing pressers. What on Earth is he doing them for anyway?!

Hoban and Kiernan have both been linked with PL teams in the near past and both have upside. Keogh has no upside. He is 28 years old full-back turned centre-back with no upper body strength who hasn't mastered the basics of defending at this level and we will get caught out if he plays competitively. To add to what Charwin said, Hoban's locker room presence and talent has been praised heavily by Beppe Sannino. He has a good chance of starting this season.

[Charlie Darwin]

I don't know if people were touting him as a 3rd/4th choice option, but is that really an endorsement of him? Bear in mind against Germany at home last time out we had Darren O'Dea. We have a group of centre halves who are all pretty error-prone and don't play at a very high level, and Keogh is one of them. Until they prove otherwise, Duffy and Kiernan are in that camp too. Realistically, at centre half, we have John O'Shea who is clearly our best option, then we have Richard Dunne with a big question mark, then we have everyone else.

[tetsujin1979]

Aye, but he was coming back from injury so you wouldn't expect him to be starting. I think it's misleading to say he was on the bench for most of the season when he missed five months with injury and then worked his way back to being an irregular substitute.fair enough, he did spend the majority of the second half on the bench
the original point was that he's not in contention for a squad position right now

[Charlie Darwin]

I do agree with that.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Not ready for a call up now but a call up for the WC Qualifying campaign is achievable if they progress at their current rate and stay injury free. Dunne, O'Shea and Delaney are aging, uncertainty surrounds St Ledger's club career, O'Dea and McShane - rightly or wrongly - are out in the cold and other potential CB options will be needed at LB.

[Charlie Darwin]

You mean Wilson will be needed at LB?

[Deckydee]

Richard Key O :rolleyes:

[paul_oshea]

I see a lot of Paul O'Shea in you, TOWK.

You might, but not in the same way I saw him in stutts and vice versa.

I did thank his post on reading this post though.

[DeLorean]

I love how everyone ripped the **** out of me for what I said about Keogh a few months ago and now slowly, but surely, everyone is coming round to my way of thinking.

A few months ago you referred to Keogh as a "decent option".


Decent options we have; Dunne, O'Shea, Clark, Delaney, Pearce, Duffy, McShane, Keogh

That is as much as anybody on here ever hoped he might be.



Tets, people were touting Keogh as a decent third or fourth choice option in defence around a year ago. Are you honestly telling me you wouldn't be bricking it if he was playing against Germany, Scotland and Poland? Every time he has been tested, he has looked shaky.

Find one post where somebody has touted him as third or fourth choice. It should be easy enough to find in a relatively short thread (although it would probably have only two or three pages if it wasn't for your obsession and subsequent replies). I'm sure Richard is grateful that you have given his foot.ie profile more substance.

Your evidence should preferably include at least one of the following:

- A quote from somebody saying that Keogh is cut out for international football
- A quote saying that Keogh is better than Dunne, O'Shea, Clark, Pearce, Wilson, Delaney, Duffy, etc, etc.

[DeLorean]

Any luck with that TOWK?

[tetsujin1979]

Tets, people were touting Keogh as a decent third or fourth choice option in defence around a year ago. Are you honestly telling me you wouldn't be bricking it if he was playing against Germany, Scotland and Poland? Every time he has been tested, he has looked shaky.I'll be bricking it no matter who plays against Germany.


Started playing Championship football at 24. Began playing Championship football at full-back. Playing at a lower level and/or significantly older than other CB options. He is not an improvement on O'Dea, McShane or St Ledger. None of them deserve to be ousted by him after his spring and summer performances. Others are established.Please point out where I said he was an improvement on any of those players, or deserved to be ousted by him. At the moment St Ledger is without a club, so he's hardly likely to come into contention for the time being anyway


Why wouldn't he mention him? He's a 22 year old lad making his debut for his country. If he wasn't so self-absorbed, maybe he would congratulate the kid on a strong debut but he's too busy praising himself. It's just like the self-absolution after the Derby Playoff loss. And just like shrugging off being culpable for virtually every goal in that hammering against Portugal.I still haven't seen any interview from him after the Portugal game. If he did one, what players did Keogh mention? What about the other players involved in that game? Did they all give interviews? Should equal vitriol be poured on those who didn't mention Duffy?


Tets, everyone wants to play for their country. We got it the first 5 or 6 times he said it. Why does he keep saying it? National pride or campaigning for a squad place? And how on Earth would anyone assume they are guaranteed to be in the next squad after those performances?! The guy should just put his head down instead of constantly doing pressers. What on Earth is he doing them for anyway?!Most players mention international football when given the opportunity, why are you picking on Keogh? Where did he say he was guaranteed a spot in the next squad? He's Derby club vice-captain, Shaun Barker is captain but he's missed a lot of game time in the last two seasons with injury, so Keogh is far more likely to do press conferences than other players


Hoban and Kiernan have both been linked with PL teams in the near past and both have upside. Keogh has no upside. He is 28 years old full-back turned centre-back with no upper body strength who hasn't mastered the basics of defending at this level and we will get caught out if he plays competitively. To add to what Charwin said, Hoban's locker room presence and talent has been praised heavily by Beppe Sannino. He has a good chance of starting this season.Keogh hasn't played at right full for more than three years, he's more experienced at centre half in the Championship than Hoban and Kiernan combined. When was Kiernan linked with a Premier League side?

Nobody has ever said Keogh was a guaranteed starter, the general consensus has only ever been that he's a decent squad player, there's very little between him, O'Dea, and McShane at the moment for the 3rd/4th choice centre half.

I really don't see why you've picked on him so relentlessly since you joined the board