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First ones announced:
2 March: Drogheda United v Shamrock Rovers live from Hunk Dory Park at 7.00pm on RTÉ Two
16 March: Cork City v Shamrock Rovers live from Turners Cross at 7.00pm on RTÉ Two
25 March: Bohemians v St Patrick's Athletic live from Dalymount Park at 3:45pm on RTÉ Two
30 March: Shamrock Rovers v Bohemians live from Tallaght Stadium at 7.00pm on RTÉ Two
6 April: St Patrick's Athletic v Shamrock Rovers live from Richmond Park at 7.00pm on RTÉ Two
24 games in total to be carried live by RTE this year. http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2012/0223/airtricity_rte.html
El-Pietro
23/02/2012, 11:21 AM
4 Shamrock games in the first 5 weeks?
sadloserkid
23/02/2012, 11:33 AM
4 Shamrock games in the first 5 weeks?
Two titles in a row and made an impact in Europe last year. Their position in the public eye is probably equal to the rest of the division combined at the moment. Might draw in a few casual viewers. It's up to Pat's, Bohs, Cork and Drogheda at that point to make their own case.
legendz
23/02/2012, 12:38 PM
Two titles in a row and made an impact in Europe last year. Their position in the public eye is probably equal to the rest of the division combined at the moment. Might draw in a few casual viewers. It's up to Pat's, Bohs, Cork and Drogheda at that point to make their own case.
Apart from the first games, the next four are all decent games to be showing. Shamrock are defending champions so understandable their opener is being shown despite not being the most appealing that weekend.
RTE are fooked for cash as well I'd say so trips outside the pale are even more of a burden to them than before.
nigel-harps1954
23/02/2012, 1:52 PM
All this 'my club should be shown' rubbish comes around every year. They were always going to show the champions and the team who simply has the most public interest. Aside from which, they are all relatively big games.
The defending champions are traditionally the televised game of the opening weekend, and the other three Rovers games are easily the biggest ties of the respective series.
total hoofball
23/02/2012, 2:22 PM
Two titles in a row and made an impact in Europe last year. Their position in the public eye is probably equal to the rest of the division combined at the moment. Might draw in a few casual viewers. It's up to Pat's, Bohs, Cork and Drogheda at that point to make their own case.
I can't think of anything more off putting to potential viewers than one club being shoved down your throat every week.
redobit
23/02/2012, 2:22 PM
The defending champions are traditionally the televised game of the opening weekend, and the other three Rovers games are easily the biggest ties of the respective series.
I see your point Sonny and thats fair enough. I suppose what other clubs might be thinking is that the FAI represent all clubs. There are 12 teams in the top division and only 5 will be represented in the first 5 games. Not great in the interest of fairness. Suppose a lot will depend on what other teams are shown as the season progresses.
Do the FAI still not pass on the RTE money to the clubs that host live home games?
I see your point Sonny and thats fair enough. I suppose what other clubs might be thinking is that the FAI represent all clubs. There are 12 teams in the top division and only 5 will be represented in the first 5 games. Not great in the interest of fairness. Suppose a lot will depend on what other teams are shown as the season progresses.
There is not a single league in the world where televised games are determined by fairness.
total hoofball
23/02/2012, 2:31 PM
I see your point Sonny and thats fair enough. I suppose what other clubs might be thinking is that the FAI represent all clubs. There are 12 teams in the top division and only 5 will be represented in the first 5 games. Not great in the interest of fairness. Suppose a lot will depend on what other teams are shown as the season progresses.
The likes of UCD, Bray only got shown on the box towards the end of the season if they got tangled up with the top team's title run ins
There should be a quota of a minimum number of live games each of the 12 teams is involved in like how the Premier League operates. Minimum of 2 games for every team would be fair enough.
total hoofball
23/02/2012, 2:32 PM
There is not a single league in the world where televised games are determined by fairness.
English Premier League is one. It's worked well for them for the past 20 seasons.
adamd164
23/02/2012, 2:34 PM
Anyone from Sligo confirm that they refused to allow fixture changes to facilitate TV coverage?
English Premier League is one. It's worked well for them for the past 20 seasons.
I know they have some sort of quota, but it's hardly a comparable situation seeing as every single major game in the EPL is televised.
HulaHoop
23/02/2012, 2:39 PM
Rumour doing the rounds that the reason there are no Sligo games on the box is because RTE couldn't get anyone from Sligo to confirm fixture changes.
If true Sligo are fast becoming as much of a laughing stock as Bohs!
Trainee
23/02/2012, 3:35 PM
In Fairness to sligo,Rte might have said to sligo will you move kick off to a stupid time, (ie last year I remember 1 o clock kick off on Sat on RTE), so sligo would right to tell Rte to **** off especially if it was going to cost them money.
It will be interesting to see what attendances will be like for the Sunday afternoon games as it will clash with Gaa and premier league games
holidaysong
23/02/2012, 3:56 PM
Anyone else find Ryle 'Rugby' Nugent's comment hilarious?
'A peak of 341,000 viewers tuned in to our Cup final coverage last year demonstrating the increasing interest and appeal of the sport.'
redobit
23/02/2012, 4:00 PM
Rumour doing the rounds that the reason there are no Sligo games on the box is because RTE couldn't get anyone from Sligo to confirm fixture changes.
If true Sligo are fast becoming as much of a laughing stock as Bohs!
Its the FAI who are a laughing stock in all this.
As I have asked above, do the FAI pay out to the home team for the shortfall on the gate that a live game will bring? No, I believe.
Its absolutely amazing that by hosting a game and showing it on RTE that the club can actually lose money. Yet the FAI bang on about clubs budgets and then go and put them in a position where they have to loose on the money on a match. Or else put it on at stupid o'clock like the game against Derry in The Showgrounds last season.
Im all for extra LOI coverage but it dosent favour clubs finacially at the moment?
bluewhitearmy
23/02/2012, 4:03 PM
Why exactly do they even move the times its not like they have anything worth watching on RTE that that they would have to move games to stop them clashing.
HulaHoop
23/02/2012, 5:11 PM
Its the FAI who are a laughing stock in all this.
As I have asked above, do the FAI pay out to the home team for the shortfall on the gate that a live game will bring? No, I believe.
Its absolutely amazing that by hosting a game and showing it on RTE that the club can actually lose money. Yet the FAI bang on about clubs budgets and then go and put them in a position where they have to loose on the money on a match. Or else put it on at stupid o'clock like the game against Derry in The Showgrounds last season.
Im all for extra LOI coverage but it dosent favour clubs finacially at the moment?
I agree clubs should get some TV money but to say no to live tv coverage because it might affect gate receipts is a very short term and insular way of looking at things. Do you think when your club's management commitee were negotiating with potential new main sponsors in the off season that the number of times Sligo matches were live on television came up in conversation at all? I think you will find there is direct correlation between amount of money received in sponsorship and amount of television coverage a club receives. I know it was a big factor with SEAT sponsoring us. Another thing worth considering is the ability TV gives a club to market themselves and increase brand awareness. Most organisations would kill to be given a 2 hour TV slot to market themselves to the public. For the Spurs match last year we got electronic advertising boards in for the night but we gave up some revenue from having our own advertising flashing up on them every few minutes. In between ads for SEAT and Woodies DIY there were ads for Shamrock Rovers season tickets and membership. Short term we lost out on some revenue by not selling that advertising time but long term who knows what we could have gained by advertising ourselves and our brand. That's the way TV coverage should be looked at, yeah you might lose out on a small bit of gate receipts but how many potential new fans and sponsors could you gain from seeing you live on TV?
askmehoop
23/02/2012, 5:59 PM
Shels-Sligo would have been the better game in fairness, bit of spice from the cup final. As far as the other games go like it or not Rovers are the highest profile club in the country, regardless of us being involved they are mostly Dublin derbies and have the potential to be entertaining (not always the case), athmosphere is always great, and of course Rovers-cork is potentially a top of the table clash.
Nah Nah Nah Nah
23/02/2012, 6:36 PM
Anyone from Sligo confirm that they refused to allow fixture changes to facilitate TV coverage?
Haven't heard anything about that but from the 5 weekends they are showing games we have 2 games at home.
One of those is v Bohs and we have already moved that to the same night as the Cork Shams game that's on TV
The other one is the Dundalk at home which is the day after Shams Bohs game which was always going to be shown first.
RTE could have shown the Bohs game easily enough if they were that concerned about showing us
First game is the chamions game. Usually is. After that they've picked probably the games of the weekend 9at least 5/6 weeks in advance they look that way. No big deal.
Why exactly do they even move the times its not like they have anything worth watching on RTE that that they would have to move games to stop them clashing.
More people would watch a re-run of a BBC nature programme than a LOI game. lets not kid ourselves here
askmehoop
23/02/2012, 6:44 PM
More people would watch a re-run of a BBC nature programme than a LOI game. lets not kid ourselves here
I wouldnt watch Rovers if they were on the box if i couldnt make the game, cant stand footabll on tv would rather be at it
You would have thought the Derry v Cork game on the 23rd March would be a better game to show than Bohs v St Pat's? Wont complain too much as it would probably affect the crowd, sorta glad we aren't on live at home yet, would like to see a bigger crowd at ames
PartySaint
23/02/2012, 10:28 PM
I actually prefer Pats not being on tv. Usually moved to a crap time/day (poxy Sunday) and tends to affect the crowd in a big way which I don't think is made up by the money the television company gives you for showing it and I also don't believe anyone would watch a Pats game in Richmond and say I want to go there next week, looks pretty poor on tv
sadloserkid
23/02/2012, 10:48 PM
More people would watch a re-run of a BBC nature programme than a LOI game. lets not kid ourselves here
The Beeb do good nature programmes, hardly a fair comparison. :)
I actually prefer Pats not being on tv. Usually moved to a crap time/day (poxy Sunday) and tends to affect the crowd in a big way which I don't think is made up by the money the television company gives you for showing it and I also don't believe anyone would watch a Pats game in Richmond and say I want to go there next week, looks pretty poor on tv
Dunno if that's wholly a Pats issue, a lot of the televised games can be a bit underwhelming. A combination of poor production, mediocre facilities and sods law decreeing that the games seem to be scrappy combining...
mypost
24/02/2012, 9:22 AM
Clubs are not interested in scheduling games to suit supporters, most games are on a normal working day and in LOI, it's the employee not the customer, who is king.
Most people watching on tv imo are either LOI fans who can't get to their own game, or bored barstoolers watching the league for a laugh.
gormacha
24/02/2012, 9:59 AM
Most people watching on tv imo are either LOI fans who can't get to their own game, or bored barstoolers watching the league for a laugh.
I think you're right about that.
I watch it when I can't get to our away games, as do my sons. My dad watches it to slag it off.
citybone
24/02/2012, 10:10 AM
I only watch games on tv if im not at a game. I don't think i can make Derry away so would have liked to have seen that on tv. Watching on tv is better than nothing. Cork City vs Shamrocks wont bother me as i will be at the game.
HulaHoop
24/02/2012, 10:47 AM
One of those is v Bohs and we have already moved that to the same night as the Cork Shams game that's on TV
According to an RTE staffer that's the game RTE were going to show but when they rang Sligo looking to move the kick off time to 7.05 they were fobbed off and told someone would call them back but with the shambles Sligo are at the moment it's not surprising that they never called RTE back.
nigel-harps1954
24/02/2012, 11:23 AM
According to an RTE staffer that's the game RTE were going to show but when they rang Sligo looking to move the kick off time to 7.05 they were fobbed off and told someone would call them back but with the shambles Sligo are at the moment it's not surprising that they never called RTE back.
Or..they probably told them they can stick their TV cameras up their holes if they weren't getting any money for moving their kick-off time.
Or..they probably told them they can stick their TV cameras up their holes if they weren't getting any money for moving their kick-off time.
Which, as outlined above, would be short sighted and incredibly stupid. I wonder how Donegal Creameries would react if we were to turn down the chance to be on TV (unlikely I know!).
Honestly don't get why clubs would complain about moving games, for RTE anyway. With Setanta or the like they may have a point as the times tend to be worse and the exposure is way less, but still.
legendz
24/02/2012, 11:38 AM
You would have thought the Derry v Cork game on the 23rd March would be a better game to show than Bohs v St Pat's? Wont complain too much as it would probably affect the crowd, sorta glad we aren't on live at home yet, would like to see a bigger crowd at ames
You would I guess, they have picked a Cork game in their early schedule though and probably won't feature too much of Cork at the same time unless they establish themselves. I'd prefer to be watching Derry v Cork.
redobit
24/02/2012, 11:53 AM
Youre damed if you do and damed if you dont - gate receipts Vs Advertising.
I dont think clubs should be put in this position by the FAI. They harp on about the importance of budgets and then make clubs choose where they would like to loose potential revenue.
Nah Nah Nah Nah
24/02/2012, 12:14 PM
I only watch games on tv if im not at a game. I don't think i can make Derry away so would have liked to have seen that on tv. Watching on tv is better than nothing. Cork City vs Shamrocks wont bother me as i will be at the game.
I don't know anyone who watches the game on TV when they're at it!
Ezeikial
24/02/2012, 12:30 PM
According to an RTE staffer that's the game RTE were going to show but when they rang Sligo looking to move the kick off time to 7.05 they were fobbed off and told someone would call them back but with the shambles Sligo are at the moment it's not surprising that they never called RTE back.
Your RTE staffer contact is either a figment of your imagination or is feeding you a big load of BS.
The TV companies deal with the FAI (not the clubs) on live broadcast requests and any re-scheduling issues.
A N Mouse
24/02/2012, 1:36 PM
Youre damed if you do and damed if you dont - gate receipts Vs Advertising.
I dont think clubs should be put in this position by the FAI. They harp on about the importance of budgets and then make clubs choose where they would like to loose potential revenue.
It seems common to torment kids in a similar manner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferred_gratification)
pateen
24/02/2012, 4:44 PM
Does anyone know whow much each club gets for game. 5K each as far as I know but I'm open to correction
adamd164
24/02/2012, 4:46 PM
The clubs involved get nothing directly.
All TV money goes into prize money now at the end of the year so it's pooled together. Not a great system IMO because the home club will generally lose out in terms of gate receipts.
Prize money? Good one. They can make that up as they go along.
adamd164
24/02/2012, 5:31 PM
They do I'd imagine!
El-Pietro
24/02/2012, 6:22 PM
zero.
liamcoyle9
24/02/2012, 8:15 PM
Redobit
I'm curious as to why the 2.45 kick could have such a big effect on the crowd for the Sligo Derry match as distinct from any evening kick off? Any dip in Sligo fans was compensated for by the 500 or so Derry fans that made that match and I'd say as a consequence you had a normal enough gate for the match. If that match had been on at the normal time, you wouldn't have had as many Derry fans at the match.
For me I thought it was great as it enabled to get up and down from Dublin in the one day.
I've long thought that the league doesn't do enough for away fans. Friday nights are the worst if you don't live in the place the match is on in.
Ezeikial
25/02/2012, 1:02 AM
The clubs involved get nothing directly.
All TV money goes into prize money now at the end of the year so it's pooled together. Not a great system IMO because the home club will generally lose out in terms of gate receipts.
Clubs do not get any TV money.
A pool did exist previously that was split between any clubs hitting a certain number of live televised matches.
Last time around the FAI simply changed the rules and paid no one.
They are being more upfront now and no longer pretend that there is a payout possibility.
Sam_Heggy
25/02/2012, 8:52 AM
A disgrace Harps are not being shown. With our free flowing football and huge crowds we would be a great advertisement for the league.
We still have Tony Doc, Brendan Bradley and Jim Sheridan playing for us, right?
Nah Nah Nah Nah
25/02/2012, 9:42 AM
A disgrace Harps are not being shown. With our free flowing football and huge crowds we would be a great advertisement for the league.
We still have Tony Doc, Brendan Bradley and Jim Sheridan playing for us, right?
The father of my Swedish girlfriend was talking to someone who works for Swedish TV who met someone from RTE at a conference who had been talking to a lad in the pub who knew someone years ago that they met at mass who said that Harps wouldn't change their kick off time
redobit
25/02/2012, 12:20 PM
A disgrace Harps are not being shown. With our free flowing football and huge crowds we would be a great advertisement for the league.
We still have Tony Doc, Brendan Bradley and Jim Sheridan playing for us, right?
Jeez ye must be hard up if you have a guy with a broken leg playing for ye.
A N Mouse
25/02/2012, 1:27 PM
The father of my Swedish girlfriend was talking to someone who works for Swedish TV who met someone from RTE at a conference who had been talking to a lad in the pub who knew someone years ago that they met at mass who said that Harps wouldn't change their kick off time
Not sure which bit is more outlandish - swedish girlfriend or rte spending money (on conferences)?
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