Televised Games 2012

[redobit]

Do you get a payment to compensate gate receipts if a certain amount of your home games (or total games even) are on the TV?

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

I'd love to count how many times each team have been on TV this year. I'd imagine Sligo are heads and shoulders above.

Have to laugh though, 3:45pm kick-off clashing with the English Premiership? What in utter jesus were RTE thinking?

It's an international weekend. Ireland Germany the day before.

[nigel-harps1954]

It's an international weekend. Ireland Germany the day before.

Touché.

[adamd164]

Bray will have been on telly 3 times by the end of the season and 4 if you include the cup. They're possibly the least appealing side after UCD from a potential viewers' point of view and the Carlisle Grounds are a dump!

That said, I'm glad RTE won't bother going down to show our game against Sligo the following week, at least the kick off time and crowd won't be messed up.

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

Bray will have been on telly 3 times by the end of the season and 4 if you include the cup. They're possibly the least appealing side after UCD from a potential viewers' point of view and the Carlisle Grounds are a dump!

That said, I'm glad RTE won't bother going down to show our game against Sligo the following week, at least the kick off time and crowd won't be messed up.

I'd be much happier if they didn't show any of our home games

[Ezeikial]

So far (ie not including games not played)

In the league

Rovers 9
Sligo 7
Pats/Drogs 4
Bohs/Derry 3
Bray 2
Cork/Dundalk 1
Shels/UCD 0

In all comps (including FAI Cup, Europe and Setanta)
Rovers 11
Sligo 8
Derry 7
Pats 5
Bohs/Drogs 4
Cork/Bray 2
Dundalk/Shels 1
UCD 0



Thats typical of RTE - send the cameras to Oriel for the Cup Semi and only show St Pats in action.

[Dodge]

So far (ie not including games not played)


I'll highlight that bit for you Ezekial

[shellyriver]

Disproportionate to what? There are teams in this league looking to change the structure of the league so they have a home game against Rovers. They're easily the best known team in Ireland, and as champions were ALWAYS going to be on TV more.

6 months on and the whining is still pathetic from Sligo fans.*


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*granted only one fan here...


The best known team were always going to get more TV? Dublin-centric views, Dublin-centric sports TV - really who cares, not I, I don't care if RTE ever are in the Showgrounds.

Eg of being a 'disproportionate' level of coverage was home and away games with Shams predominating the opening schedule. This was also a disproportionate coverage of a side which didn't reflect the general interest of the footballing community's interest - they might be the best known, but they were and are a hardly the best advertisement for Irish football.


Granted, there has to be a balanced achieved with a number of considerations brought to bear - but the opening schedule of games of RTE basically was a Shams-fest.

I would love RTE to beam Shams into everyone's sitting rooms every match day - great comedy and pathos, mingled with farce, saves on RTE's script-writers and outside broadcasts.

Methinks you misguided conflate and confuse observation with 'whinge'. That's what is pathetic here.

[Dodge]

The best known team were always going to get more TV? Dublin-centric views, Dublin-centric sports TV - really who cares, not I, I don't care if RTE ever are in the Showgrounds.
Clearly you do care as you're still moaning about it 6 months down the line. And its nothing to do with Dublin. Man utd are on TV more in England, Juventus in Italy, bayern in Germnay etc etc


Eg of being a 'disproportionate' level of coverage was home and away games with Shams predominating the opening schedule. This was also a disproportionate coverage of a side which didn't reflect the general interest of the footballing community's interest - they might be the best known, but they were and are a hardly the best advertisement for Irish football.
RTE's role isn't to promote Irish football. Its to get advertisements in.



Methinks you misguided conflate and confuse observation with 'whinge'. That's what is pathetic here.
No, its a whinge.

A whinge on something you don't care about apparently

[adamd164]

http://www.corkcityfc.net/home/2012/09/19/game-v-sligo-rovers-live-on-setanta-sports/


Cork City against Sligo Rovers on Friday, 5th October at Turner’s Cross will be televised live by Setanta Sports.

The kick-off time has been changed from 7.45 pm to 8.00 pm in order to facilitate the live broadcast of the match.

[CrowdedHouse]

Cork City against Sligo Rovers on Friday, 5th October

Fecks sake on Setanta...how many people have that 2 or 300 ?

[shellyriver]

. Man utd are on TV more in England, Juventus in Italy, bayern in Germnay etc etc


Really? Got a link? Nah, just nonsense generalisations. Where to fools like you dream this stuff up?

[placid casual]

where do fools like you go to school ?
in the 3 posts you posted in this thread , ALL of them contain at least 1 spelling error or grammatical error.

as for the other stuff you "wrote"... can you not have a bit more of a cheery disposition? your team are about to win their 1st league since jesus was a carpenter. cheer up fellah!

[Dodge]

Are you for real?

http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2012/05/14/where-the-money-went-premier-league-prize-and-tv-payments-for-2011-12-150501/

Man Utd on TV 26 times last season, more than Champions Man City and way more than others clubs.

IN a poor year for Bayern on the pitch, they still earn most from TV...
http://swissramble.blogspot.ie/2012/02/bayern-munich-opportunities-lets-make.html

Want more links?

[shellyriver]

Are you for real?

http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2012/05/14/where-the-money-went-premier-league-prize-and-tv-payments-for-2011-12-150501/

Man Utd on TV 26 times last season, more than Champions Man City and way more than others clubs.

IN a poor year for Bayern on the pitch, they still earn most from TV...
http://swissramble.blogspot.ie/2012/02/bayern-munich-opportunities-lets-make.html

Want more links?

Nice one.

So you compare combined Sky and terrestrial fees of English football to explain RTE's coverage of Shamrock Rovers and to explain's its national broadcaster remit - which in my opinion, is

(a) a perverse selective and wrong-headed approach!

(b) Probably the ultimate in bar-stooler psychology economics, and

(c) Just nonsense.

You really are a laugh! You need help.

Throw me a link over Italian TV -- I couldn't give a monkey's about any of them, but go knock yourself out son!

[placid casual]

is that you John Waters ?..

[shellyriver]

is that you John Waters ?..
“I've had it with being nice, understanding, fair and hopeful. I feel like being negative all day. The chip on my shoulder could sink the QE2. I've got an attitude problem and nobody better get in my way...I'm in a bad mood and the whole stupid little world is gonna pay!”
― John Waters (http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/17366.John_Waters), Crackpot: The Obsessions of John Waters (http://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/1745694):hat:

[Dodge]

Nice one.

So you compare combined Sky and terrestrial fees of English football to explain RTE's coverage of Shamrock Rovers

No, I showed you a link showing that Man united were shown more on Live TV because thats what you asked for.


Throw me a link over Italian TV -- I couldn't give a monkey's about any of them, but go knock yourself out son!
Don't ask for links and then say you don't care about them when they disprove your waffle.

Sorry if facts get in the way of your moans

[shellyriver]

No, I showed you a link showing that Man united were shown more on Live TV because thats what you asked for.


Re-interpreting questions to suit the illogical and misguided answers you give, eh? Read, the thread and you might have some clue as to what you are saying and what was posited to you?

You gave two links - one re Premiership, which doesn't tally with the point at hand, ie you have included satellite and terrestrial figures as a comparator for RTE's coverage.

Do you comprehend the distinction? That's a point you fail to answer or address. That's not a moan, that's call clarity of thought, something you obviously haven't employed in this topic.

Re unread threads -- don't be offended. I couldn't be bothered getting into details if you don't even understand the point you are trying to make!

[Dodge]

I'll repeat for the slow.

Shamrock Rovers are shown more on TV because they are more likely to appeal to TV viewers and advertisers

There are clubs in each league in Europe that are in the same position.

Are you trying to disagree with this?

[Mr A]

Yeah, but have you any links to prove that?

[shellyriver]

I'll repeat for the slow.

Shamrock Rovers are shown more on TV because they are more likely to appeal to TV viewers and advertisers

There are clubs in each league in Europe that are in the same position.

Are you trying to disagree with this?

Still you fail to see the nonsense of your interminable idiotic responses.

Someone here previously has said RTE were not in a love-in with Shams - that's it in a nut-shell.

My replies are in relation to this point and some guff from you re Sky showing Man U etc because they are and ALWAYS (caps as you like to emphasise this word) biggest club blah, blah.

Comparisons are really odious but however, do you understand the various financial scales re games shown and FA dividend to clubs? If so, you might appreciate RTE are not in the same boat and therefore these Big Club considerations do not pertain.

If its down to pure commercialism, I suppose some guru in RTE has cracked the golden 'Burgers sold in the Square in McD's' v 'LOI advertising per second cost' ratio? Rich commercial pickings!!

[Dodge]

While the relative scales is a decent point, to dismiss commercialism for an ad supported TV programme is folly. Do you honestly believe that Rovers are on TV more because of a love in between RTE and Rovers?

[Trainee]

As a neutral I would match a game that Rovers are playing in quicker than I would watch a game sligo playing in, also Rovers appeal to more of the population than sligo do, I doubt to many from outside sligo would wish to watch sligo on TV most weeks

[adamd164]

As a neutral I would match a game that Rovers are playing in quicker than I would watch a game sligo playing in, also Rovers appeal to more of the population than sligo do, I doubt to many from outside sligo would wish to watch sligo on TV most weeks
You're probably not neutral though. Galway fans dislike Sligo by and large.

I've no problem watching them, they play better football than all but maybe Pat's.

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

Shellys cracking up......

[Sean South]

As a neutral I would match a game that Rovers are playing in quicker than I would watch a game sligo playing in, also Rovers appeal to more of the population than sligo do, I doubt to many from outside sligo would wish to watch sligo on TV most weeks
But you're not a neutral...

[shellyriver]

As a neutral I would match a game that Rovers are playing in quicker than I would watch a game sligo playing in, also Rovers appeal to more of the population than sligo do, I doubt to many from outside sligo would wish to watch sligo on TV most weeks

Jez, if they put on a free open-air public broadcast of Shamrock Rovers v Galway Whatevers on a Big Screen at Eyre Sq you'd do well to get 50 stragglers in off Bother Mor.

Stick to Daithi O'Shea as a Gaelgoir weatherman and Machnas - that's what Galway excels at.

[mypost]

Have to laugh though, 3:45pm kick-off clashing with the English Premiership? What in utter jesus were RTE thinking?

How many English Premiership games are on October 13?

Who's laughing now?

[nigel-harps1954]

How many English Premiership games are on October 13?

Who's laughing now?

This has already been cleared up. I assume you're the only one left laughing.

[Charlie Darwin]

Still you fail to see the nonsense of your interminable idiotic responses.

Someone here previously has said RTE were not in a love-in with Shams - that's it in a nut-shell.

My replies are in relation to this point and some guff from you re Sky showing Man U etc because they are and ALWAYS (caps as you like to emphasise this word) biggest club blah, blah.

Comparisons are really odious but however, do you understand the various financial scales re games shown and FA dividend to clubs? If so, you might appreciate RTE are not in the same boat and therefore these Big Club considerations do not pertain.

If its down to pure commercialism, I suppose some guru in RTE has cracked the golden 'Burgers sold in the Square in McD's' v 'LOI advertising per second cost' ratio? Rich commercial pickings!!
You're missing the point.

You said Rovers are shown so much because of the Dublin-centric media.

Dodge pointed out that the most-shown teams in England (Manchester United), Germany (Bayern Munich) and Italy (Juventus) operate far without the centre of those countries. The English media is London-centric; the German media is Berlin-centric; the Italian media is Rome-centric. Yet in each country the team the media shows the most is located out of the capital, because they are the most popular and well-known team, just like Shamrock Rovers.

Dodge even presented you figures to demonstrate this.

I'm not sure what else you want.

[mypost]

This has already been cleared up. I assume you're the only one left laughing.

No need to laugh as I knew the situation all along.


So you compare combined Sky and terrestrial fees of English football to explain RTE's coverage of Shamrock Rovers and to explain's its national broadcaster remit - which in my opinion, is

Just nonsense.

Throw me a link over Italian TV -- I couldn't give a monkey's about any of them, but go knock yourself out son!

Haven't a clue what all this back-and-forth nonsense is in aid of, but anyway;

There is no agenda, for or against clubs at any point. Fact is there are 6 league weeks to go. At the end of the season in an event junkie culture like in Ireland, tv broadcasters just want to show the league game(s) that decide the championship. They don't care if it's Sligo Rovers or Shamrock Rovers, nor whether they've been on tv five times or fifteen times during the year. Last year it was us, this year it's Sligo who have all the tv coverage and the ko changes to go with it.

The other clubs are free to get on with their own games, as normal.

[shellyriver]

Haven't a clue what all this back-and-forth nonsense is in aid of, but anyway;

There is no agenda, for or against clubs at any point. Fact is there are 6 league weeks to go. At the end of the season in an event junkie culture like in Ireland, tv broadcasters just want to show the league game(s) that decide the championship. They don't care if it's Sligo Rovers or Shamrock Rovers, nor whether they've been on tv five times or fifteen times during the year. Last year it was us, this year it's Sligo who have all the tv coverage and the ko changes to go with it.

The other clubs are free to get on with their own games, as normal.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2012/0223/293373-airtricity_rte/

The difference is this was all pre-determined at the start of the season. If you're logic is right then Sligo Rovers should figure in virtually ever broadcasted game and this should continue if the Bit-A-Red storms to a back-to-back league win -- which, other supporters would rightly and understandably object to. It hardly serves a high purpose either in the promotion of the LOI in Ireland to engorge on one side. But just typical Oirish monoculture obsession - the Catholic Church, the potatoe, the ideologically and business-bankrupt fixation with the building boom, whatever seems successful, just keep it going 'til it runs out of steam!

Although its now water under the bridge, the above link may give those interested some idea as to the sickening saturation Shams coverage RTE bestowed upon viewers at the beginning of this season - no other national broadcaster would indulge this level of preferential treatment of one club.

Irrespective of whether RTE had an agenda or not - whatever their rationale was it was ridiculous on any index.

But what could you really expect from the rugger gois and GAA-fanatics at Donnybrook TV? Now that the season is in the final furlong its understandable that the top three teams would figure in the last number of televised games to do otherwise would be utterly bizarre, that's not beyond their grasp.

[Charlie Darwin]

Actually stunned that you've managed to link RTE's coverage of Shamrock Rovers with the Catholic Church and the housing bubble.

Yes, it was decided early last season that Rovers would feature in most televised games, because Rovers are the most successful, most popular and most well-known team in the league and had just come off the best European run ever achieved by an Irish side. And Rovers-Bohs is still the biggest game on the Irish football calendar regardless of either side's misfortunes.

So it is perfectly reasonable for a TV station that relies on advertising (they **** the license fee away) to select what it sees as the most commercially-viable fixtures to show. Setanta Sports does the same thing. Now that Sligo are winning the league, their games are the most commercially attractive, and they will probably be much better represented in the early fixtures next year after they win the title. But Rovers will still be considered more commercially attractive because they have more fans and a much stronger appeal to casual viewers.

[mypost]

The difference is this was all pre-determined at the start of the season. If you're logic is right then Sligo Rovers should figure in virtually ever broadcasted game and this should continue if the Bit-A-Red storms to a back-to-back league win -- which, other supporters would rightly and understandably object to.

no other national broadcaster would indulge this level of preferential treatment of one club.

RTE are in the relatively rare broadcasting position among UEFA nations, of having almost carte blanche to show how many or few games of any club they wish, so naturally they want to show the bigger clubs more often than Bray and UCD.

When Sligo were in the other division years ago, tv didn't want to know. When we were in the other division, tv didn't want to know. Now the clubs are up at the top of the Premier Division. RTE just want to show the main games of the season, starting with the champions first game, the major derbies, the league battle, then the relegation scrap, then the European spots. If it's all already settled, they go back to whoever the league champions are. Next year, the league champions first game will automatically be live at 7pm on RTE.

What other supporters think of it all, is of no consequence.

[pineapple stu]

When we were in the other division, tv didn't want to know.
Wrong, actually. I remember games against Galway and Athlone (possibly a Cup game?) being shown live.

[Martinho II]

Wrong, actually. I remember games against Galway and Athlone (possibly a Cup game?) being shown live.
yep you are right tg4 showed the shamrock rovers athlone game in 2006 in Bucaneers ground in Athlone and I was at it!

[PartySaint]

yep you are right tg4 showed the shamrock rovers athlone game in 2006 in Bucaneers ground in Athlone and I was at it!

Cup quarter final. We played Rovers in the semi's.

[mypost]

Wrong, actually. I remember games against Galway and Athlone (possibly a Cup game?) being shown live.

Right actually. Broadcasters did not show any Shamrock Rovers league games live in 2006. RTE showed one Cup semi-final live. TG4 showed 2 other Cup games live. That was it.

[pineapple stu]

They're closely enough linked that the same arguments can cover two channels. It's not dissimilar to arguing the difference between RTÉ1 and RTÉ2. TG4 is a public service broadcaster as well. RTÉ even provides some programming for TG4.

I don't recall any other First Division v First Division Cup games being shown in recent years. It's not true to say that -


When we were in the other division, tv didn't want to know.

[nigel-harps1954]

They're closely enough linked that the same arguments can cover two channels. It's not dissimilar to arguing the difference between RTÉ1 and RTÉ2. TG4 is a public service broadcaster as well. RTÉ even provides some programming for TG4.

I don't recall any other First Division v First Division Cup games being shown in recent years. It's not true to say that -

Harps against Athlone was shown in 2007 in a league game in the First Division. It's only in the past 3 or 4 years that the First Division has recieved absolutely zero coverage in fairness. There's always been the title run in shown on highlights shows, and the odd title run in live game here and there.

[mypost]

They're closely enough linked that the same arguments can cover two channels.
I don't recall any other First Division v First Division Cup games being shown in recent years.

I'm not on about cup games. The cup has always attracted it's own attention, live cup games have been shown featuring lower division sides before, and will be in the future. Even St. Francis were shown live when they reached the Cup final.

If you want to link them close enough then you can, but I don't need to link anything as I know what happened. So for the third time, there were NO live league games featuring Shamrock Rovers in 2006. I was at all 4 games against Galway that year and remember them all. None of them were live on national television. End of argument.

[Trainee]

TG4 did show some Div one games about 5 years ago they had 4 or 5 first div games, some cup games & Playoff final

[Dodge]

And funnily enough TG4 showed a western bias for those games.

[El-Pietro]

Harps against Athlone was shown in 2007 in a league game in the First Division. It's only in the past 3 or 4 years that the First Division has recieved absolutely zero coverage in fairness. There's always been the title run in shown on highlights shows, and the odd title run in live game here and there.

last game of the season? the day Cobh won the division yeah? I remember watching that - or a first division game

[shellyriver]

And funnily enough TG4 showed a western bias for those games.


So you see it works both ways!

I never knew the Bit-A-Red were Ruairi Shligigh (actually should be Sligeach - as its Sligo town - but mehh) until TnaG showed us in the First Division.

Fond memories of tuning into local radio and turning TV sound off and watching us play.

I also remember seeing us getting perpetually hammered by Shams and enjoying the fine panoramic sweeps from the single-camera, along with savouring the wonderful post-match commentary from Charlie McGeever doing a fine impersonation of the Wee Daniel of the Soccer World - halycon days;)

Is it fair to say the success of TnaG's Irish soccer coverage could have prompted the Montrose Sports Muppets to eventually give us a TV segment (those boys in TnaG are always ahead of the posse, Oz, Curb, Breaking Bad and beautiful Gaelgoir weathergirls) etc, etc.

Back to to reality, do any of the Sligo posters know if the Rovers-Derry game was ever to be televised? If so, I personally am glad as it would reduce the attendance by, I would estimate, 1,000.

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

It's live on Setanta

[shellyriver]

It's live on Setanta

Cheers - do you think this will affect attendance by much?

If we get 3,500 there is would be brilliant.

[nigel-harps1954]

last game of the season? the day Cobh won the division yeah? I remember watching that - or a first division game

A cold November night yes.

It's the last time Harps went on a similar unbeaten run to this season. RTÉ cameras came up this day, and I recall Roddy Collins calling Stephen Parkhouse overweight which Harps fans didn't take kindly to.
Roddy got a great reception that day overall if I remember right.

Harps played great football all that season. And this game turned out to be nothing but complete muck.

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

Cheers - do you think this will affect attendance by much?

If we get 3,500 there is would be brilliant.

We should get that. There was over 3k at the Bohs game on a wet Monday night and that was on TV as well. Hopefully Derry bring a good crowd as well.