Jon Walters

[Charlie Darwin]

We have enough journeyman fans who dismiss players without giving them a chance to prove themselves.

[ifk101]

We have enough journeyman fans who dismiss players without giving them a chance to prove themselves.

Wilson, Foley, Stokes, McCarthy, Garvan, Ward, Coleman etc etc .... there's a long list of young, up and coming players that are coming through only to be ignored by donkey journeymen, short term fixes like Green and Walters. Calling up players like Walters isn't seeking to evolve our play.

Btw I see in another thread that you're telling others to stay away from games because their opinion, which was totally balanced, doesn't match yours. :rolleyes:

[third policeman]

Wilson, Foley, Stokes, McCarthy, Garvan, Ward, Coleman etc etc .... there's a long list of young, up and coming players that are coming through only to be ignored by donkey journeymen, short term fixes like Green and Walters. Calling up players like Walters isn't seeking to evolve our play.

Btw I see in another thread that you're telling others to stay away from games because their opinion, which was totally balanced, doesn't match yours. :rolleyes:


With the exception of Garvan all the above have at some time figured in the full squad, so have not exactly been ignored. Not exactly how many Championship games you are able to take in from Gothenberg, but I have seen Walters live on a number of occasions, and more recently seen him playing for Stoke on TV. He is no more of a journey man than STokes and made a bigger impact in the Championship and Premiership than the latter managed. Who exactly are you suggesting that we pick instead, Folan, Noel Hunt, Sheridan or do we just dispense with striker cover altogether and play like Scotland? I agree that nearky all the players you mentioned together with Andy Reid should be in the squad, and I also agree that after the other night we need to adapt the way we play to be more flexible and creative, but Walters is doing well in a top ten Premiership side, and has two or three seasons of consistent Championship form behind him. He is at least as worthu of a chance as anyone on your wish list.

[ifk101]

With the exception of Garvan all the above have at some time figured in the full squad, so have not exactly been ignored.

Garvan was involved in Trappatoni's first training camp. None of the players I've mentioned have been given anywhere near enough time on the pitch to prove themselves. By not getting the chance to prove themselves, they are being ignored.


Not exactly how many Championship games you are able to take in from Gothenberg, but I have seen Walters live on a number of occasions, and more recently seen him playing for Stoke on TV.

Good to know.


He is no more of a journey man than STokes and made a bigger impact in the Championship and Premiership than the latter managed.

Stokes is 22. What exactly was Walters doing at 22?

Which player has the highest goals per game ratio? How many times how Stokes gotten a run out under Trapattoni (before you write him off)?


Who exactly are you suggesting that we pick instead, Folan, Noel Hunt, Sheridan or do we just dispense with striker cover altogether and play like Scotland?

??? There's striking cover there, that's the point. Stokes, Long, Keogh, Sheridan - all young lads that need game time to develop.


I agree that nearky all the players you mentioned together with Andy Reid should be in the squad, and I also agree that after the other night we need to adapt the way we play to be more flexible and creative, but Walters is doing well in a top ten Premiership side, and has two or three seasons of consistent Championship form behind him. He is at least as worthu of a chance as anyone on your wish list.

I disagree.

[Charlie Darwin]

Wilson, Foley, Stokes, McCarthy, Garvan, Ward, Coleman etc etc .... there's a long list of young, up and coming players that are coming through only to be ignored by donkey journeymen, short term fixes like Green and Walters. Calling up players like Walters isn't seeking to evolve our play.
Those are all good players. Stokes is the only one who might be able to say he's been overlooked in favour of Walters, who scored a very classy goal in the Premier League last week despite being a quadruped with hooves for feet.


Btw I see in another thread that you're telling others to stay away from games because their opinion, which was totally balanced, doesn't match yours. :rolleyes:
Yes, I ordered him to stay away from games because, oddly enough, I have that power over other individuals.

[geysir]

I'd definitely like to see Walters called up to the squad for Norway, but I have been very impressed with Stokes, albeit he is playing at a lower level but has demonstrated good striker awareness, a tireless willingness to close down and skill levels to collect the ball out wide.

[elroy]

Seeing as Trap has explicitly said he will have a look at it in November. Why not call him up now to replace Doyle? Will be a good experience for him and also gives Trap a chance to have a quick look at it.

[tetsujin1979]

Garvan was involved in Trappatoni's first training camp. None of the players I've mentioned have been given anywhere near enough time on the pitch to prove themselves. By not getting the chance to prove themselves, they are being ignored.He was in the B game VS Forest as well, came on as a late sub. Don't remember him doing much of note. Also, playing in a terrible Crystal Palace team in the lower regions of the Championship

[dr_peepee]

What exactly was Walters doing at 22?

I dunno. You shouldn't be held to ransom over what you were at, at 22 in any career. If he got his act together a couple of years ago and committed himself maybe it's been reflected in an upward trend in his club moves since.. Maybe international football is the next stage of that trend. I say that without knowing what he has to offer but I wouldn't write him off as an asset based on an assumption. I'd be the first to stick the boot into Trapp if he didn't have a look at him..

[dr_peepee]

Examiner must have made it up. Trap and Tardelli don't even know he's Irish.

Don't start me.. I heard the interview where he didn't know Delap was Irish so it's entirely plausible!!!... It appears Tardelli is doing the rounds lately though.

[ifk101]

He was in the B game VS Forest as well, came on as a late sub. Don't remember him doing much of note. Also, playing in a terrible Crystal Palace team in the lower regions of the Championship

He's been our best U21 player for quite some time. He's got an eye for a pass, good technique. There's definitely a bit of a player there - just needs the encouragement. Yes Palace are struggling but so are Derby and that hasn't working against Paul Green. But anyways I wouldn't necessarily see him in starting for us at present but the point I'm making is that we do have a decent group of young players coming through that aren't been given the opportunity.


I dunno. You shouldn't be held to ransom over what you were at, at 22 in any career. If he got his act together a couple of years ago and committed himself maybe it's been reflected in an upward trend in his club moves since.. Maybe international football is the next stage of that trend. I say that without knowing what he has to offer but I wouldn't write him off as an asset based on an assumption. I'd be the first to stick the boot into Trapp if he didn't have a look at him..

Where's the assumption? Walters is a donkey journeyman. That's a fact. ;)

[geysir]

Don't start me.. I heard the interview where he didn't know Delap was Irish so it's entirely plausible!!!... It appears Tardelli is doing the rounds lately though.
But all the same, I'm sure you wrote in to the FAI urging them to provides funds for a helicopter on hire, to cart Tardelli around the various Saturday venues:D

[third policeman]

Walters is a donkey journeyman. That's a fact. ;)


No its an opinion, and one that is based on pretty flimsy evidence. Incidently when Walters was in his early 20's he was in contention for a first team place at Bolton and was highly rated by Big Sam. His descent to Chester (via Hull) was disappointing, but his subsequent ascent back to the premiership via Ipswich (where he was player of the season on at least one occasion, and top scorer for two seasons - I think) suggests that he has some quality. He is currently being selected by Stoke ahead of Fuller and is getting more game time than Whelan, Wilson or the recently departed Lawrence.

[tommy_c12000]

Seen this guy playing with Ipswich in the Championship a few times and he certainly impressed me. However, I was always skeptical whether he was good enough to make the step up to the premiership. His first couple games apart, he has been awful. He looks well out of his depth in the premiership never mind international level. Absolute disgrace Stokes is not in the squad and Walters is. Here is a link to a thread on Stoke City's fans forum discussing the topic "Can Walters still come good?"

"I'd prefer Julie Walters. She could run around like a clueless t** too, and have no bearing on a game," is one of the kinder comments

http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Potters&action=display&thread=140632&page=3

[AlaskaFox]

Scored a penalty for Stoke.

[SkStu]

he just got a second. Good stuff.

[Noelys Guitar]

Walters two goals from the game v Cardiff. The first goal is a real cracker.http://www.goalstube.com/504354/Cardiff_vs_Stoke_highlights.html

[geysir]

He has a portly look about him. I thought the goalie was very suspect for the second.

I saw Andy Keogh in there, how did he play?

[theworm2345]

Just scored a near post header (from a Pennant cross)

[theworm2345]

Just flicked it on for Fuller's goal (Stoke's 4th) as well

[Noelys Guitar]

Will not be joining up with the Squad until after tomorrows game. RTE report

[Murfinator]

Will not be joining up with the Squad until after tomorrows game. RTE report

Anyone find this somewhat unprofessional?

I understand this is a moment he'd like to be there for but this is his country and a competitive game. I've seen players play in the same week of deaths of family members, why? This is their job and a single game going badly can undo 2 years worth of work. There are exceptional circumstances that exempt players but I don't think a child birth is one of them.

[tetsujin1979]

Anyone find this somewhat unprofessional?

I understand this is a moment he'd like to be there for but this is his country and a competitive game. I've seen players play in the same week of deaths of family members, why? This is their job and a single game going badly can undo 2 years worth of work. There are exceptional circumstances that exempt players but I don't think a child birth is one of them.
you any kids of your own Murph?

[Fixer82]

you any kids of your own Murph?

Even if he did turn up his head probably wouldn't be in the game. And if anything went wrong with the birth he'd never forgive himself. I think it's perfectly acceptable for someone to withdraw due to an impending birth

[Murfinator]

you any kids of your own Murph?

I certainly hope not. =P

[SkStu]

nothing wrong with it. Family is far more important than your job.

[Murfinator]

Thought Darwin's San Marino comment was hilarious actually, surprised it was moderated. =S

[AlaskaFox]

Gilesy missed the birth of at least one of his kids to play football. Walters won't be missed though.

[Yard of Pace]

No problem with Walters being away. Can't compare it to players playing during the week of a death, it's a totally different thing.

[Charlie Darwin]

Thought Darwin's San Marino comment was hilarious actually, surprised it was moderated. =S

I deleted it myself. I'm my own worst critic :p

[peadar1987]

Seen this guy playing with Ipswich in the Championship a few times and he certainly impressed me. However, I was always skeptical whether he was good enough to make the step up to the premiership. His first couple games apart, he has been awful. He looks well out of his depth in the premiership never mind international level. Absolute disgrace Stokes is not in the squad and Walters is. Here is a link to a thread on Stoke City's fans forum discussing the topic "Can Walters still come good?"

"I'd prefer Julie Walters. She could run around like a clueless t** too, and have no bearing on a game," is one of the kinder comments

http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Potters&action=display&thread=140632&page=3



I really rate Walters. He works so hard, is great in the air, has decent pace, and can hold up the ball. His touch and finishing aren't too bad either. He was the best player on the pitch when I was in the Britannia last Saturday seeing Stoke hammer Newcastle 4-0 ( :D ).

I tend to ignore most things written on the oatcake forum. It's full of moany prats who constantly confuse Stoke-on-Trent and Barcelona. We could win the league, and there would still be people on the oatcake the next morning calling for Tony Pulis' head.

[mark12345]

Gilesy missed the birth of at least one of his kids to play football. Walters won't be missed though.

I sincerely hope you're right. He's a big loss for me as I can see us having to resort to the long ball game at some stage. What big man do we have? O'Dea, maybe he could go forward?

[geysir]

Mark. you need to use the quote option when you reply to a post, otherwise it reads as if you wrote the whole reply.

[AlaskaFox]

Gilesy missed the birth of at least one of his kids to play football. Walters won't be missed though.

I sincerely hope you're right. He's a big loss for me as I can see us having to resort to the long ball game at some stage. What big man do we have? O'Dea, maybe he could go forward?

Send Dunne up front. He'd power through the defence.

[tommy_c12000]

Just scored V Chelsea. Sounds like a stunning strike. Looking forward to MOTD already

[EastTerracer]

Great goal for Walters against Chelsea today - turned David Luiz on the halfway line and then carried the ball forward into the penalty area himself and scored with a right-foot shot.

[Noelys Guitar]

What a goal from Walters. 9th goal of the season so far.

[SkStu]

stunning goal from Walters. Nicked in ahead of Luiz and charged unstoppably into the left hand side of the penalty area, cut inside another defender and lashed it past Cech. Some goal. Quality. Didnt know he had it in him to be honest.

[paul_oshea]

this is probably our greatest period when we have had so many decent quality strikers. Wingers too I suppse. Whoever thinks we haven't a strong squad and only have ordinary players is most certainly wrong.

[Noelys Guitar]

Probably the best game I have seen him play. Impressed with Wilson as well.

[SkStu]

have to agree re Wilson, Noely. I think he was my motm - so far.

[seanfhear]

Probably the best game I have seen him play. Impressed with Wilson as well.
What position is Wilson playing ?

[paul_oshea]

Probably the best game I have seen him play. Impressed with Wilson as well.

really did wilson play well in the DM role, did they line up with a 3-5-2?

[tricky_colour]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6c5Em5iwwE

[geysir]

Tricky Colour, you can ask The Fly for advice on how to embed the YT video clip into your post

[elroy]

Pity Wilson had to pull out of the game on Tuesday, wouldve been nice to see him in the DM role. How did Whelan do yday? Good to see he has won his place back in the XI.

[Charlie Darwin]

Whelan's been back in the starting line-up for a few weeks now - he's been playing well. Had some neat touches from the highlights package I saw, and they matched Chelsea in terms of creating chances, so between them they did well. Wilson also drove a cracking free kick off the bar. I didn't know he was the type.

[Stuttgart88]

I saw Stephen Elliott score a great goal for Hearts yesterday, against Hibs. It's funny, but afaik Elliott & Jon Walters partnered each other for the U21s for a few games before Elliott was taken into the senior side. Elliott went on to have a fantastic season in the Championship and showed real promise in the EPL before injuries stunted his development, and I think there was talk of lack of application too. He went backwards at a rate of knots and is now doing well at Hearts, a level way below where he could have expected to be a few years ago.

Walters, on the other hand, started off at a higher level before dropping down the ranks, avoided any real international scrutiny, consolidated at Ipswich and did sufficiently well to attract Pulis' attention. He's now in the form of his life and whilst not exactly one of the stars of the EPL I think he has settled at that level and is a tough opponent. Walters is now in the Irish senior squad whilst Elliott has probably shot his bolt at that level.

[Stuttgart88]

Pulis and Whelan compliment Walters in today's Examiner

[BonnieShels]

Pulis and Whelan compliment Walters in today's Examiner

Stutts, that's some nice flyesque linking!