What the FAI thinks of progressive clubs: [Archive] - Page 11

blueblood

25/01/2011, 6:43 PM

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And as John83 pointed out, MNS is a tangible investment in the league.

Thats bull according to Steven Alkin (RTE) .RTE show MNS of their own accord nothing to do with the FAI giving them a e4m discount on international matches, just cause Delaney keeps sayin it dosen't make it true

Spudulika

26/01/2011, 7:07 AM

bennocelt, I agree with most of what you said, pretty much all. However the fact that the LOI is the sick man (or Ottoman Empire) of the "Irish football family" is more down to the lack of clubs forethought or planning. Right now we have Shamrock Rovers riding high, though a few years ago they were wandering from place to place and struggling - until they get the lease signed on the Tallaght Stadium, that could be the case again. Such is the hit and miss nature of LOI clubs, nobody (with due respect to all clubs) is more than a month away from going belly up. The FAI, for sure, can do alot better, a heck of a lot. However there also needs to be full transparency from clubs, officials and administrators. Fans need to become supporters, and be more involved in what happens in the game. Weekly we lose potential supporters to the sky league clubs, however much it galls me to say it, I don't blame them.

Mario

26/01/2011, 7:25 AM

>Thats bull according to Steven Alkin (RTE) .RTE show MNS of their own accord nothing to do with the FAI giving them a e4m discount on international matches, just cause Delaney keeps sayin it dosen't make it true

LOL :rolleyes:

Anyone who thinks RTE would give MNS a one hour prime time slot and spend all the money on production costs unless their arm is being twisted is off their head!

Just last week saw on of the GAA mouth pieces going mad about the LOI have a magazine style show and they dont!

cornflakes

26/01/2011, 11:51 AM

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Just last week saw on of the GAA mouth pieces going mad about the LOI have a magazine style show and they dont!

The GAA would turn your stomach sometimes
Anyone know what happened in Edenderry? Some GAA club transfered 16 or 17 players cos they wouldn't commit to training cos of football and rugby commitments

Anyone know the full story?

peadar1987

26/01/2011, 1:30 PM

The GAA would turn your stomach sometimes
Anyone know what happened in Edenderry? Some GAA club transfered 16 or 17 players cos they wouldn't commit to training cos of football and rugby commitments

Anyone know the full story?

At least they didn't revert to their usual plan of running over the things the don't agree with with a plough!

Lim till i die

26/01/2011, 3:15 PM

Gaa>>>>>>>>>>>>>irfu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fai

athloneman

26/01/2011, 3:32 PM

i have to say im having a good laugh here to myself!!people praising the FAI and the work they have done, they only care about one thing and that is money!!
oh and dont forget the FAI are the same organisation who requested that ireland be the 33rd in last years world cup, how can anyone take that organisation seriously anymore i ask????

Spudulika

26/01/2011, 3:48 PM

Athloneman, I agree with you, though I'd be less critical of the FAI on the World Cup issue. I still believe that the 33rd team was something that was spoken about half in jest with Blatter, and he used it like he used the homosexuality issue the month before last, as a big man throwaway quip. There are far more important sticks to beat our lot with.

athloneman

26/01/2011, 3:58 PM

spud your dead right but i was just pointing that out just to show the stupidity at times of JD and his cronies!!there are far more domestic issues to compain about!!

paudie

26/01/2011, 7:52 PM

The GAA would turn your stomach sometimes
Anyone know what happened in Edenderry? Some GAA club transfered 16 or 17 players cos they wouldn't commit to training cos of football and rugby commitments

Anyone know the full story?

I think Edenderry are a senior club and didn't want their players playing football/rugby while training with the GAA club. I think they allowed the players to transfer to a junior club who didn't care and probably just wanted numbers for games.

Lim till i die

27/01/2011, 12:45 AM

The EVIL so and sos!! :rolleyes:

A N Mouse

27/01/2011, 6:29 AM

Given that rte have repeatedly denied the accusation, and the high regard the football authorities are held in around here, I'm surprised this keeps getting brought up.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's all down to interpretation. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but after the sky deal there were legal changes made. This effectively reduced the domestic market value of rights packages. The subsequent deal could be viewed as paying a fair price, or getting more for less.

Surely at least one of these bodies are subject to foi request, if anyone wanted to ask the right questions.

John83

27/01/2011, 9:25 AM

Surely at least one of these bodies are subject to foi request, if anyone wanted to ask the right questions.
The FAI aren't. Or at least, in my experience, they'll deny it if they are.

gael353

28/01/2011, 10:06 AM

So lads anyone going to the high court on monday? fill us mortals in on the goings on

gael353

31/01/2011, 2:43 PM

Round one........to Limerick :cool:

osarusan

31/01/2011, 2:47 PM

Details?

EDIT: seems like we have been successful in our fight to have our case/complaint/whatever taken to arbitration. Is this CAS arbitration, or something different?

Nah Nah Nah Nah

31/01/2011, 2:49 PM

Details?

Court appointed arbitrator

Mark

31/01/2011, 3:21 PM

Magicme

31/01/2011, 3:31 PM

At least we now have someone to blame when the Irish team dont qualify.....

Lim till i die

31/01/2011, 3:31 PM

This just in from the FAI:

FAI Statement

Monday, January 31, 2010

The Football Association of Ireland today (Jan 31) confirmed to the High Court that it and Limerick FC have agreed to enter mediation. The FAI regrets that money spent on this course of action will be lost to the sport. What is decided during the mediation process with Limerick FC could have broader ramifications for the funding and development of football at all levels.

ENDS

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_5XR6yXUJsW8/S8MyTJbB1xI/AAAAAAAAD0E/4Bq6y4IPRNw/s400/chris-brown-sad-face.jpg

Let's hope there's enough left in the kitty at the end to still pay Johnny his eight grand a week. :rolleyes:

Lim till i die

31/01/2011, 3:32 PM

At least we now have someone to blame when the Irish team dont qualify.....

I look forward to dancing on their qualification grave. :)

athloneman

31/01/2011, 4:05 PM

Mark

This just in from the FAI:

FAI Statement

Monday, January 31, 2010

The Football Association of Ireland today (Jan 31) confirmed to the High Court that it and Limerick FC have agreed to enter mediation. The FAI regrets that money spent on this course of action will be lost to the sport. What is decided during the mediation process with Limerick FC could have broader ramifications for the funding and development of football at all levels.

ENDS

the absolute cheek of the FAIlure to say that limerick taking this action may effect soccer is this country, if they let limerick play the friendly last july, soccer in munster would have got a huge boost, therefore the FAI would have got a boost instead they made up every excuse under the sun as to why the game couldnt go ahead while resulted in the fai damaging there own name!!

there is absolutely no one to blame for this mess other than the fai,they made there own bed by not allowing this game to go ahead and now they have to lie in it!! i really hope the high court screws the fai to the wall!!it might actually wake up the barstoolers and make them realise that the fai only cares about money and not football!!

Jofspring

31/01/2011, 6:02 PM

That is one of the funniest things the FAI have come out with in a long time.

SkStu

31/01/2011, 6:37 PM

go get em Limerick!! :) This one could be a lot of fun!

Schumi

31/01/2011, 8:13 PM

The FAI regrets that money spent on this course of action will be lost to the sport.

Is this an apology?

Ezeikial

31/01/2011, 10:35 PM

athloneman

31/01/2011, 10:56 PM

The truth should emerge soon enough - a Transition Year student on work experience was in temporary charge of the FAI during this period, and no one noticed the difference in the signatures on the memos coming from John Delaney's office.

well to be quiet honest the majority of statements that come from the FAI seem like they were taken from a random child who hasnt a clue whats going on!! there is often very little sense to anything that comes from the FAI!!

athloneman

31/01/2011, 11:00 PM

http://foot.ie/threads/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Mark http://foot.ie/threads/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://foot.ie/threads/showthread.php?p=1446656#post1446656)
The FAI regrets that money spent on this course of action will be lost to the sport.

Is this an apology?

hahaha its most definitely not an apology, the FAI will not appologise untill they are forced too through the courts!!!and i for one cannot wait to laugh at delaney and his cronies when they do eventually admit it was all there fault!!

osarusan

31/01/2011, 11:25 PM

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0201/1224288693589.html

SOCCER: THE FAI were obliged yesterday to agree to arbitration with Limerick over its decision last May to refuse the club permission for a fund-raising friendly game against Barcelona at Thomond Park.

The association had sought to keep the dispute in-house but finally agreed to go to arbitration under the 2010 Act after the club, which claimed its attempts to progress the case had previously been ignored, had sought to have the High Court direct it to do so.

Maurice Collins SC, who overruled the league when asked to consider its handling of a dispute which arose when Bohemians fielded a player who should have been suspended in 2006, will oversee the process.

Limerick, it is believed, will contend the FAI should be prohibited under competition law from banning the playing of friendly games in venues with a capacity of 15,000 or more. This effectively leaves it in control of the only ground in the country where such games could be played.

Full article available on link.

The bit about seeking to keep the dispute in-house is nonsense as the FAI did not respond to Limerick's requests for any kind of mediation until the last 48 hours. By keeping it in-house they must mean that the FAI just hoped it would all go away.

peadar1987

31/01/2011, 11:27 PM

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0201/1224288693589.html

Full article available on link.

The bit about seeking to keep the dispute in-house is nonsense as the FAI did not respond to Limerick's requests for any kind of mediation until the last 48 hours. By keeping it in-house they must mean that the FAI just hoped it would all go away.

In-house, in a small, locked box, in the cupboard under the stairs in the dark.

Jofspring

01/02/2011, 12:15 AM

The FAI last night issued a statement acknowledging it had agreed to the arbitration process but warning that the outcome of the process could have implications for its ability to generate and distribute funds. It has previously put the value to it of the annual Endemol run tournament at €1 million a year.

The only way Limerick and the case could affect the ability to generate and distribute funds is if Limerick win the arbitration meaning the FAI where in the wrong. They are definitely getting more worried now.

It sums the FAI up that a LOI club has to go to the high court just to get some correspondence and acknowledgment from them.

Charlie Darwin

01/02/2011, 12:44 AM

The only way Limerick and the case could affect the ability to generate and distribute funds is if Limerick win the arbitration meaning the FAI where in the wrong. They are definitely getting more worried now.

It sums the FAI up that a LOI club has to go to the high court just to get some correspondence and acknowledgment from them.
Mediation is a form of no-fault conflict resolution. Both parties would usually agree to pay their own costs or, I suspect in this case, the FAI will pay the full cost regardless of the outcome.

thischarmingman

01/02/2011, 7:05 AM

John83

01/02/2011, 9:41 AM

the absolute cheek of the FAIlure to say that limerick taking this action may effect soccer is this country...
Yeah, the FAI are the only ones supposed to effect soccer in this country.

osarusan

01/02/2011, 3:32 PM

Bits in quite a few papers about this - the Star has a full page devoted to it with a picture of the naughty , arbitration-seeking Limerick money-grabbers who are hell-bent on ruining the FAI and football in this country. Disappointing to see nothing about it on extratime.ie. Nothing on RTE about it, unsurprisingly.

The papers generally reported it quite well - I thought they made Limerick's case seem quite reasonable.

CuanaD

01/02/2011, 10:50 PM

Please please please, if there is a god, etc.

Limerick will win (hopefully)
& Delaney will be gone (wishful thinking)

for the good of :ball:

R�iteoir

04/02/2011, 3:24 PM

The FAI regrets that money spent on this course of action will be lost to the sport.

Correct - it means that the FAI can now only afford just the two Executive Boxes at Old Trafford for next season

Charlie Darwin

04/02/2011, 4:04 PM

Little tidbit from the Times yesterday:

Endemol Sport, whose parent company brought the world the television show Big Brother, were the reason Limerick City were prevented from hosting Barcelona last summer.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/soccer/2011/0203/1224288961953.html

Lim till i die

04/02/2011, 4:06 PM

Limerick City were prevented from hosting Barcelona?!

No wonder Pat Graces' masterplan never came off.

Jofspring

04/02/2011, 4:14 PM

If anything Limerick City left Limerick FC hanging.

marinobohs

08/02/2011, 12:20 PM

Mediation is a form of no-fault conflict resolution. Both parties would usually agree to pay their own costs or, I suspect in this case, the FAI will pay the full cost regardless of the outcome.

Correct CD wheras arbitration is where some party makes a decision on who was right and who was wrong. If the option is mediation then a "win win" result is sought so no chance of Lims winning (most likely outcome is FAI chuck them a few bob and no public statement on outcome).
Personally would much prefer an independent arbitration in this case, not holding my breath though.

osarusan

08/02/2011, 12:26 PM

Correct CD wheras arbitration is where some party makes a decision on who was right and who was wrong. If the option is mediation then a "win win" result is sought so no chance of Lims winning (most likely outcome is FAI chuck them a few bob and no public statement on outcome).
personally ould much prefer an independent arbitration in this case, not holding my breath though.

The process of independent arbitration has started, with Michael Collins the arbitrator appointed by the High Court. (He was involved in a Bohs court case with the FAI a few years ago I think, and ruled against the FAI). Mediation is running at the same time, but I'm assuming (and that's all it is) that if Limerick are not happy with whatever they're offered/whatever compromise is sought, then they can take the chance that the arbitrator, who has the power to award costs and compensation, will find in their favour.

Jofspring

25/03/2011, 9:05 AM

According to todays Star Limerick and the FAI have come to an agreement that Limerick can hold 1 high profile friendly a year at Thomond Park with a full capacity of 26,000 for the next ten years once it is not within ten days of the Dublin Super Cup.

pineapple stu

25/03/2011, 9:10 AM

Sounds suspiciously fair...?

Jofspring

25/03/2011, 9:14 AM

Sounds suspiciously fair...?

Sounds like an admission that the FAI where wrong to stop it last year. It may be an unfair decision on other clubs but it was unfair what happened Limerick last year and none of the clubs stood behind Limerick then so as far as we are concerned we don't care if it is unfair on other clubs. Would think most clubs would think the same if they where in this situation. It does open a huge can of worms though.

marinobohs

25/03/2011, 10:45 AM

Sounds like an admission that the FAI where wrong to stop it last year. It may be an unfair decision on other clubs but it was unfair what happened Limerick last year and none of the clubs stood behind Limerick then so as far as we are concerned we don't care if it is unfair on other clubs. Would think most clubs would think the same if they where in this situation. It does open a huge can of worms though.

Congrats to Limerick FC on what apears a good result for them but will the FAI be amending their contract with "a third party" :rolleyes: to "No friendlies over 15000 capacity except one each year by Limerick FC" ? that should sort it out, until of course another club gets the chance to line up a lucrative friendly.............

cornflakes

25/03/2011, 10:56 AM

Can't wait to see Stephen O'Flynn head butt Messi

dong

25/03/2011, 11:49 AM

(A) What is the Dublin Super Cup?
(B) What relevance does it have to when Limerick play a friendly?

Jofspring

25/03/2011, 11:51 AM

Congrats to Limerick FC on what apears a good result for them but will the FAI be amending their contract with "a third party" :rolleyes: to "No friendlies over 15000 capacity except one each year by Limerick FC" ? that should sort it out, until of course another club gets the chance to line up a lucrative friendly.............

To save any further hassle with this situation:

Any club that wants to hold a lucrative friendly can send a letter in writing to Limerick FC requesting permission. I'm sure Limerick FC will be obliging and can work something out with clubs wanting to do this. A cut of any profits brought in from said friendlies will be needed of course.

Makes sense to me anyway.

marinobohs

25/03/2011, 11:54 AM

(A) What is the Dublin Super Cup?
(B) What relevance does it have to when Limerick play a friendly?

(A) National day of adoration for John Delaney (support acts this year include Celtic, inter Milan, man city and an Irsih League select apparently) to be held in the AVIVA Stadium

(B) anything or anyone that detracts from the national day of adoration is the epitome of evil and must be cast out.