Bohs SCP discussion

[RoversHead]

NAMA and Carroll are so last year . But then again Rovers fans living in the past is nothing newIf so explain the hold up with selling Dalymount to Albion?Fact is you cant because carrols affairs are far from sorted,bankruptsy in this country is a very messy buisness,at this moment in time you are not free to sell Dalymount to anybody, why is that?when do you think a deal will be done?when does Gerry think a deal will be done?Does it need to happen in the next two yrs to pay back 4m to zurich bank?after all that how long will it take to find land get planning and build a new home in meath?So many questions so little time.But all is not lost ,the Bohs trocaire box idea on bohs .com sounds like a good plan.

[Jicked]

That was in 1924, the Hoops rumour machine/psyops dept is bang up to date again.
That's the best retort you could come up? As for the Hoops rumour machine it was correct all the way through the Fenlon deal, releasing details often times hours before they broke on official sites. I think I'll believe them on that issue of Fenlon being owed bonuses for both title winning years, since they were right on everything else to do with that deal.

[SkStu]

That's the best retort you could come up? As for the Hoops rumour machine it was correct all the way through the Fenlon deal, releasing details often times hours before they broke on official sites. I think I'll believe them on that issue of Fenlon being owed bonuses for both title winning years, since they were right on everything else to do with that deal.

get over yourselves ffs... the "hoops rumour machine" - lol - breaking things before anyone else - who do you think you lot are? Reuters or something? Ask me boll.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Jicked]

Erm, I was quoting a Bohemian fan above who used the "Rovers rumour machine" bit in the post above mine :o

[Réiteoir]

get over yourselves ffs... the "hoops rumour machine" - lol - breaking things before anyone else - who do you think you lot are? Reuters or something? Ask me boll.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I'm thinking more AP - the Associated Pigs

[SkStu]

I'm thinking more AP - the Associated Pigs

Shamrock Reuters. ;)

[Jicked]

Some comedy gold there. Meanwhile four or five Bohemians fans have discussed my post from the previous page, and none have commented or seem at all worried on the actual issue. Instead you guys try to make out that I made a mistake, when I suggest I didn't you spend your time making cringe-inducing puns.

[de bowez]

Fenlon was owed nowhere near 90k. Ive yet to see any official confirmation that the budget was rejected. As far as Im aware the FAI are happy with the figures but need further clarification on certain points. At a guess Id say they want assurances that there wont be a repeat of last seasons asking for UEFA money in June.

[SkStu]

Some comedy gold there. Meanwhile four or five Bohemians fans have discussed my post from the previous page, and none have commented or seem at all worried on the actual issue. Instead you guys try to make out that I made a mistake, when I suggest I didn't you spend your time making cringe-inducing puns.

calm down. Youre getting far too worked up over this. The "hoops rumour machine" knows the truth and thats all that matters.

[Dalymountrower]

Some comedy gold there. Meanwhile four or five Bohemians fans have discussed my post from the previous page, and none have commented or seem at all worried on the actual issue. Instead you guys try to make out that I made a mistake, when I suggest I didn't you spend your time making cringe-inducing puns.


When you source your claims in the realm of "fairly common knowledge" you dont really expect to get a serious response ? Anyway, keep clutching at those straws!

[placid casual]

I think bohs fans are misjudging the interest that Rovers fans are showing towards bohs and their precarious finances.
Your our rivals, our only decent rivals unlike the small bitter clubs like pats and sligo.
While we would pi$$ ourselves laughin at a temporary demise/cull of your clubs standing, we dont want you gone by any manner of means.
We look forward to the derby games as much as youse do i'd wager.
What we find hard to fathom is the "supposed" ignorance with which some of your fans seem to accept the utter drivel and nonsense of your previous board and one current board member;)
anyways thats all

[Jicked]

When you source your claims in the realm of "fairly common knowledge" you dont really expect to get a serious response ? Anyway, keep clutching at those straws!

I give up. I've tried to fairly polite and sincere in asking a few questions, and have been met with nothing but silence, several fans dodging the question, very poor standard insults and now you're just pretending there's no problem.

I've already said that the sources were right on every single thing to do with this deal the whole way through. It wasn't mere speculation, they were posting what would happen hours before it subsequently did happen, all the way along. Now you're saying that although they were sincere on every other point in relation to the deal, they were making up this final point for some unknown reason, despite having no reason to presume otherwise. I presume you're just putting up a united front and don't want to talk about such details in public.

Fair enough, but you could just say so instead of trying of publicly pretending there's no problem and that having your budget rejected (having apparently been warned before the meeting and given extra time to prepare adequate information) having also had a transfer embargo for six months or so isn't a major issue, that things will simply work themselves out once you continue to organise rinky dink fundraising efforts. If you're not putting on a front and genuinely believe that then I'm amazed about the blasé attitude you're displaying towards the state of your club.

[Réiteoir]

Jicked/Placid - you have to appreciate that for every post like the ones above (which look to be well reasoned, polite and sincere (as Jicked has said), we have to put up with 50 of the other variety from that BWCTYD character - not to mention some of the other circling vultures from those "small bitter clubs".

I hope you can see where I am coming from - well reasoned debate is fine - speculation and what should/might turn out to be utter lies is what gets to some here.

Myself - I couldn't really care less - we'll wait to see what ACTUALLY happens (I wager absolutely nothing).

[marinobohs]

I think bohs fans are misjudging the interest that Rovers fans are showing towards bohs and their precarious finances.
Your our rivals, our only decent rivals unlike the small bitter clubs like pats and sligo.
While we would pi$$ ourselves laughin at a temporary demise/cull of your clubs standing, we dont want you gone by any manner of means.
We look forward to the derby games as much as youse do i'd wager.
What we find hard to fathom is the "supposed" ignorance with which some of your fans seem to accept the utter drivel and nonsense of your previous board and one current board member;)
anyways thats all

Trust me there is no misjudgement at all around the "interest" taken by Shams in relation to Bohs. It is almost exclusively petty, small minded gossip reguritated from the bowels of the always-ultra website or wishful thinking by begruders. Any rubbish is acceptable as long as it has a go at the Champions (including a variety of childish nicknames more at home in a primary schoolyard).

As regards other "small bitter clubs" - pot, kettle and Black springs to mind;)

[CMcC]

The Shams concern for their Bohemian supporting bretheren is so touching. It almost brings a tear to the eye at this stage. It's lovely to see, in a hands across the Liffey sort of way.

[CSFShels]

Bohs fans were the exact same when it was Shels to be fair.

[RoversHead]

Our main concern is that we seem to be the only ones who are not having anymore of it from Bohs ,they will be made obey league rules and scrutinised at every turn enough is enough.Not surprising that some UCD AND BRAY fans share our feelings on this,why should clubs who obey rules be relegated while these clowns just sharpen the magic pencil and go here will this set of accounts do if not just give us a week and pass that rubber will ya.

[marinobohs]

Our main concern is that we seem to be the only ones who are not having anymore of it from Bohs ,they will be made obey league rules and scrutinised at every turn enough is enough.
Nice to see the "guardians of the League" mantle taken on at Tallaght. if your "concern" is with regard to apllication of the rules then how come there has been little or no sham comment on events at Cork (or more recently Drogheda) ? obviously you only care about rules when it benifits shams so climb down off your high horse there and show a bit of respect for the League Champions :D.
if you are so concerned about the image of the game I would suggest you address rascist chanting, assaulting officials and hooligan directors before pontificating on problems at other clubs.

[dong]

Your our rivals, our only decent rivals unlike the small bitter clubs like pats and sligo.
While we would pi$$ ourselves laughin at a temporary demise/cull of your clubs standing, we dont want you gone by any manner of means.
We look forward to the derby games as much as youse do i'd wager.
What we find hard to fathom is the "supposed" ignorance with which some of your fans seem to accept the utter drivel and nonsense of your previous board and one current board member;)
anyways thats all

So if you are such a big club where are your trophies from the last few years and why can't you afford your own ground?
Just a point. Whatever about calling us a small club, Pats have had much more success than you over the last few years.
This "small club v big club" argument is a joke in the league of Ireland context when every club is only one bad season away from disaster.
Surely you must know that by now.

[RoversHead]

Rovers have activly supported foras in Cork and Drogs moves to become a community club ,Bohs are the only club refusing enter the real world

[marinobohs]

Rovers have activly supported foras in Cork and Drogs moves to become a community club ,Bohs are the only club refusing enter the real world

If you are suggesting that the situation at Cork is better than the situation at Bohs then you are seriously deluded and I would recommend you ask any Cork fan about it. Still a lack of clarity around Drogs current position so difficult to comment too definitively, my point was that shams don't appear too concerned about (possible/alledged/etc) breaches of finanacial regulations there thus showing the "concern" about Bohs alledged transgretions to be little more than oppurtunism.
by the way, unlike shams I would wish nothing but the best for all clubs in finanacial difficulties (real or imagined) we are all in the League together.

Bohemian FC is a member owned club slightly (!!!!!) longer than shams so if Cork or Drogheda want any advice I doubt they will go to a club that previously slagged off member owned clubs in their match day programme.

[marinobohs]

So if you are such a big club where are your trophies from the last few years and why can't you afford your own ground?
Just a point. Whatever about calling us a small club, Pats have had much more success than you over the last few years.
This "small club v big club" argument is a joke in the league of Ireland context when every club is only one bad season away from disaster.
Surely you must know that by now.

Dont believe in small clubs in the League (all have a history, fanbase etc and add something to the League) but there are certainly a few small minds about ;)

[wexfordned]

Rovers have activly supported foras in Cork and Drogs moves to become a community club ,Bohs are the only club refusing enter the real world

if that includes allowing racist fans & hooligan directors then tell us how, oh great leader

[Jicked]

Trust me there is no misjudgement at all around the "interest" taken by Shams in relation to Bohs. It is almost exclusively petty, small minded gossip reguritated from the bowels of the always-ultra website or wishful thinking by begruders.)

Can you not accept that the ultras messageboard quite clearly posted details of the Fenlon/Dundee Utd story before they became public knowledge the whole way through. There's cold hard facts to back that up, it simply can't be brushed aside as bs. So if they were proved right about all other aspects of that deal, could they not also be correct about the final one? I say they could be believed at this stage having been proved to have insider knowledge the whole way through. If it is true, then I'm sorry but it does raise serious questions as to Bohs budget for this season. How can you not see this and just brush it aside as idle speculation and nothing to be worried about?

[wexfordned]

Can you not accept that the ultras messageboard quite clearly posted details of the Fenlon/Dundee Utd story before they became public knowledge the whole way through. There's cold hard facts to back that up, it simply can't be brushed aside as bs. So if they were proved right about all other aspects of that deal, could they not also be correct about the final one? I say they could be believed at this stage having been proved to have insider knowledge the whole way through. If it is true, then I'm sorry but it does raise serious questions as to Bohs budget for this season. How can you not see this and just brush it aside as idle speculation and nothing to be worried about?

That's not actually true. (Couldn't be bothered going to through the thread to were this was pointed out previously), but the again that isn't any different to the majority of posts by Shamrock fans on this thread.

Thread title should just be changed to Bohs/Fenlon Rumours or alternatively What's going on at Bohs courtesy of Shamrock's fans.

[Dalymountrower]

[QUOTE=Jicked;1311794]Can you not accept that the ultras messageboard quite clearly posted details of the Fenlon/Dundee Utd story before they became public knowledge the whole way through.

Ì`ve no idea as your message board has been private members access only for some time now. The last time I had access to it they were ridiculing the notion that PF would be considered for the job by DUFC

There's cold hard facts to back that up, it simply can't be brushed aside as bs.

Now we`re getting somewhere , cold hard facts....and they are?

So if they were proved right about all other aspects of that deal, could they not also be correct about the final one?QUOTE]

Proved right about which rumour? That Fenlon can walk free from Bohs for breach of contract?
or
Fenlon stays with Bohs after getting 90k bonus paid?
or
Fenlon signs two year deal with DUFC?

None of the above rumours have come to pass.
We`ve also had to put up with dross from Hooped rumour mongers aided and abetted by some Stillorgan Road Tech perennial undegrads on this Forum about our budgets being based on three trophy wins and dodgey deals with Development companies to evade the SCP, being sued by Liam Carroll, not getting a fee for Deegan etc etc etc . Each and every one a malicious fabrication, so I think we can be forgiven for being sceptical about any "rumours" coming from a hooped direction.

I think its regrettable that the focus of this thread has been on responding to the unsubstantiated rumours/lies rather than on the real achievement of ordinary League of Ireland fans in raising tens of thousands of Euro in 2009 to keep our club successfully in business against the odds within the 2009 SCP.

[marinobohs]

Can you not accept that the ultras messageboard quite clearly posted details of the Fenlon/Dundee Utd story before they became public knowledge the whole way through. There's cold hard facts to back that up, it simply can't be brushed aside as bs. So if they were proved right about all other aspects of that deal, could they not also be correct about the final one? I say they could be believed at this stage having been proved to have insider knowledge the whole way through. If it is true, then I'm sorry but it does raise serious questions as to Bohs budget for this season. How can you not see this and just brush it aside as idle speculation and nothing to be worried about?

the always ultras message board is somewhere I have never been or want to be but the "details" posted here were that Bohs were in breach of contract and that Nutsey WOULD walk for free.
Now whatever world you are living in this did not occur on Planet Earth.
it is true that there was some outstanding bonuses, but this was, believe it or not, known beyond the confines of Tallaght
Those of us who did not accept the above (bolded) line will hardly accept any more "facts" from such an unreliable source.

PS wrong thread but as long as it is having a go at Bohs.......:rolleyes:

[pól-dcfc]

the always ultras message board is somewhere I have never been or want to be but the "details" posted here were that Bohs were in breach of contract and that Nutsey WOULD walk for free.

Yeah, well, it hasn't, um, not happened yet, has it?

[John83]

We`ve also had to put up with dross from Hooped rumour mongers aided and abetted by some Stillorgan Road Tech perennial undegrads on this Forum...
I realise that someone who can't tell a university from a technical college can't really be expected to be able to count, but Pineapple Stu is, in spite of his finest creative accounting, still just one person.

[marinobohs]

Yeah, well, it hasn't, um, not happened yet, has it?

Ehhhhh whats the question again ? my point was that what was predicted by the shams (Nutsey would go to Dundee for nothing due to breach of contract) did not happen. This was in response to post claiming the shams "rumour machine" was accurate. :p

[marinobohs]

I realise that someone who can't tell a university from a technical college can't really be expected to be able to count, but Pineapple Stu is, in spite of his finest creative accounting, still just one person.

Sure arent yisser all the same :eek: To be fair some posters here have raised fair questions and some bohs posters have tried to respond (with our limited knowledge) but unfortunately the wind up merchants made a farce of it with unsubstanciated rubbish.
Nobody from UCD would ever indulge in WUMMING :)

[hoopy]

Bohemian FC is a member owned club slightly (!!!!!) longer than shams so if Cork or Drogheda want any advice I doubt they will go to a club that previously slagged off member owned clubs in their match day programme.

So that must've been an imaginary meeting up in Drogheda where some of our board spoke to Drogheda fans? Also fairy tale stuff that Foras have been getting advice from same people? None of this happened of course, both clubs are waiting to approach Bohs.

[Dalymountrower]

I realise that someone who can't tell a university from a technical college can't really be expected to be able to count, but Pineapple Stu is, in spite of his finest creative accounting, still just one person.

I agree, if i`d gone to a Tech my numerative skills might be a bit better, sadly I went to Belfield, undergraduate and post -graduate. That means I reserve the right to slag it off

[Rovers1]

So that must've been an imaginary meeting up in Drogheda where some of our board spoke to Drogheda fans? Also fairy tale stuff that Foras have been getting advice from same people?.

But sure every club wants to know how to get someone else to pay off all your debts and a free stadium to go with it!

[marinobohs]

So that must've been an imaginary meeting up in Drogheda where some of our board spoke to Drogheda fans? Also fairy tale stuff that Foras have been getting advice from same people? None of this happened of course, both clubs are waiting to approach Bohs.

We are all aware that shams "invented" the members owned club in 2005 (previous quotes about 50 pound directors were the OTHER crowd :rolleyes:) I never said either club was waiting to approach Bohs just suggested that a club which previously slagged off memebers owned clubs is hardly the place to go for advice about same.
Perhaps (given experience here) shams think membership entitles them to run every club in the League but afraid it isn't true.

[RoversHead]

But sure every club wants to know how to get someone else to pay off all your debts and a free stadium to go with it!Step one would be to become Irelands most succesful football club thus creating a sporting institution that just enough people wont let die ,throw in a couple of decades of blood sweat and tears from those individuals and a bit of luck then you might just have enough trojan fans left who would take out personal loans to try and wrangle a deal with the revenue and other creditors,at this point if you have become an integral part of a huge working class community through educational and sporting scholarships ,charity work etc and you have grown your schoolboy section in said area well the local council just might see it in their intrest to finish a ground for ya,

[Rovers1]

Step one would be to become Irelands most succesful football club thus creating a sporting institution that just enough people wont let die ,throw in a couple of decades of blood sweat and tears from those individuals and a bit of luck then you might just have enough trojan fans left who would take out personal loans to try and wrangle a deal with the revenue and other creditors,at this point if you have become an integral part of a huge working class community through educational and sporting scholarships ,charity work etc and you have grown your schoolboy section in said area well the local council just might see it in their intrest to finish a ground for ya,

I don't care. I still don't like ye.

[RoversHead]

I don't care. I still don't like ye.By the way we pay an anual six figure rent ,free stadium yeah right.

[RoversHead]

We do all that. For free.Dont remember anything like our situation happening in sligo,when was that?

[Rovers1]

Dont remember anything like our situation happening in sligo,when was that?

No, we never had to leave The Showgrounds.

[dfx-]

But sure every club wants to know how to get someone else to pay off all your debts and a free stadium to go with it!

Become a member to find out the secret:

http://www.shamrockrovers.ie/members

[dfx-]

That'll be a no then...

[Knappagh Red]

[QUOTE=RoversHead;1311972]Step one would be to become Irelands most succesful football club thus creating a sporting institution that just enough people wont let die

It did die, its a completly new club since 2005 and is nothing to do with the club that won all the trophies, the only thing in common is the silly name, must be the only club in the world called after a weed

[wexfordned]

It did die, its a completly new club since 2005 and is nothing to do with the club that won all the trophies, the only thing in common is the silly name, must be the only club in the world called after a weed

If you ask most shamrock fans about their previous dealings with creditors, revenue etc. they will try claim the moral high ground & point out how that club was killed off, has nothing to to with them & the current set up is a new club.

However if you ask them what the club has won they will list off all their successes since the club was founded.

[micls]

How is it a new club? It was examinership, not liquidation wasn't it?

[EnglishSource]

must be the only club in the world called after a weed

could be worse, we could be a club called after a club named after a weed.

[CMcC]

Why waste your time?

Tactic is to deflect, put words in peoples mouths and go crying to the mods.

Their club is dying and the best they can do is try and score inane points. Not one comment on the substance of WHY the FAI rejected their budget.

It hurts, right? Still really really hurts doesnt it. Losing a league to your traditional rivals, that is.

[RoversHead]

Why waste your time?

Tactic is to deflect, put words in peoples mouths and go crying to the mods.

Their club is dying and the best they can do is try and score inane points. Not one comment on the substance of WHY the FAI rejected their budget.Absolutly ,that SKSTU bloke must hold the record for reporting posts on this mb,I work with two Bohs members who freely admit they dont know whats going on most of the time at Dalymount but this Canadian keyboard jockey has his finger on the pulse,yeah right.

[stann]

the only thing in common is the silly name, must be the only club in the world called after a weed

Em... Partick Thistle (and Inverness Caledonian Thistle for that matter)?

[wexfordned]

Not really, Rovers bottled it at the end, and that hurts.

But there is an issue about cheating that needs to be adressed, and last season, you were it.

Can you not just let it go. Your board went crying to the papers/FAI & nothing was found. The chip on your shoulder regarding Bohs at this stage is comical.

If bohs made a donation to the Haiti appeal you would probably find a reason to complain about it!