Win or Bust for Bohs

[Dalymountrower]

I'd say somewhere in the Mariana Trench :D


I`d sooner be where we are than where you are!
Shouldn`t you be back with your mates on the Rovers forum?

[sonofstan]

I'll tell you what is patheic. Ezeikial is one of the few posters on here that actually backs his/her comments up with FACTS and SOURCES and because it is about Bohs he/she is attacked by every Bohs fan on here and told that he/she is fascinated with the club.

National newspapers? we can read them ourselves, thanks


When in reality for every reply a Bohs fan gives to one of his/her posts he comes back and wipes the floor with you lot and then all you can say is "oh your fascination with our club.... blah blah blah" now that is pathetic.

No, s/he doesn't


Like every other LOI fan he/she is upset that a fellow LOI club is dragging the leagues name through the mud again and its not because it Bohs, it would be the same for any other club.


Do you want to know why this is getting so much attention on her?
It is because your fans are constantly coming on here and trying to defend your clubs actions, "We have NOT broken any rules YET" rubbish. Its not christmas YET but I know its coming and wouldn't argue against it.

Nobody here from Bohs has tried to defend reckless overspending or the the actions of the board with regard to the Albion case that I can recall - most of us have been strongly critical of actions by the previous board, but we keep it to our own forum and members meetings.


Here's some advice, accept that your club has done wrong,

Now hold on with the moralising - we spent on the basis of a deal that, until the end of the Albion case judgment, looked like it would keep us financially secure for many years to come. What has to happen now, should have happened last year, granted. The situation is NOT the same as Shels; we were spending money that, in good faith, we thought we had - not secretly mortgaging and remortgaging our future. Nor were we borrowing against a notional future development as Drogheda were. We were getting real money from a real potential buyer on the basis of real heads of agreement. Whether we were right to go into such a agreement was a matter for the members and they overwhelmingly supported it, as I guess most fans of most clubs would have, if so presented. (i didn't support it, as it happens, but we're a democracy, and I wasn't going to strop about it here)


accept that it is in a bad way and things need to change drastically. Accept that you probably need to let your whole squad go and start again in a lower division, because ultimately it may save a great club that very few want to see fold. Stop tryig to defend the undefendable!

Most of us already accept most of that - if we can find a way to avoid relegation we will, obviously, but the rest is pretty much a given in Dalymount circles. Find me an instance of a Bohs poster here trying to defend the indefensible.

[mcgonigle]

Now hold on with the moralising - we spent on the basis of a deal that, until the end of the Albion case judgment, looked like it would keep us financially secure for many years to come. What has to happen now, should have happened last year, granted. The situation is NOT the same as Shels; we were spending money that, in good faith, we thought we had - not secretly mortgaging and remortgaging our future. Nor were we borrowing against a notional future development as Drogheda were. We were getting real money from a real potential buyer on the basis of real heads of agreement. Whether we were right to go into such a agreement was a matter for the members and they overwhelmingly supported it, as I guess most fans of most clubs would have, if so presented. (i didn't support it, as it happens, but we're a democracy, and I wasn't going to strop about it here)



See now this just shows how wreckless your club were. Spending money they didn't have. I wouldn't go out tomorrow and spend a years wages on the basis that I will have my job for another year, I might not. And correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds to me like you think that was ok and it wasn't Bohs fault!

[mcgonigle]

].....or perhaps get a can of petrol and head up to the FAI offices ? :D[/B] why the hell would any supporter "accept" relegation UNTIL it is a fact (which despite the delusions of posters on here it is NOT). In the short to medium term every Bohs supporter knows that our current set up is over and that from next season our playing squad will be very different. Whether they should have known this earlier is irrelevant right now. The clubs immediate concern must be to get back on side on the 65% rule and stay in the Premier - if we don't we will have to accept the inevitable.

Another well thought out response from a Bohs fan, well done. Thanks for proving my point :rolleyes:

[sonofstan]

See now this just shows how wreckless your club were. Spending money they didn't have. I wouldn't go out tomorrow and spend a years wages on the basis that I will have my job for another year, I might not. And correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds to me like you think that was ok and it wasn't Bohs fault!

It's 'reckless'

Did you actually read the bit you quoted? over 2006/07 we were spending money we did have - Carroll was paying us a certain amount a year for the right to 'first refusal' on Dalymount (it was more complicated than that, but that'll do). What happened after that was somewhat different, and nowhere do I defend it. However, there was at least an expectation that we could resolve the situation vis- a- vis Albion, so it wasn't completely stupid to continue in the expectation thereof.

The situation at Bohs is not the same as at Shels or Drogs (which weren't the same as each other). By all means, attack us if you want, but not because of what you think it looks like.

[Dodge]

Can we quit the penis comparisons and get back on topic?
The whole thread is one long penis comparison

Embarresing stuff from a number of posters.

And speaking as a mod, can people stop posting about posters, either talk about the issue or stfu

[Mr A]

Hold on here- didn't Dundalk move from being a co-op to being a privately owned club because they made a total and utter balls of it? Or did I miss something?

They're lecturing Bohs and getting all self-righteous why now?

Not that I have any real sympathy for Bohs- you reap what you sow.

[sonofstan]

Hold on here- didn't Dundalk move from being a co-op to being a privately owned club because they made a total and utter balls of it? Or did I miss something?

They're lecturing Bohs and getting all self-righteous why now?

Not that I have any real sympathy for Bohs- you reap what you sow.

That's fair enough - we don't want sympathy: it's the moralising I can't take. Especially from those who haven't bothered to make an effort to understand what actually happened.

[Da Real Rover]

If it is indeed found that Bohs did not keep within the 65% pay cap and thus broke the rules what are the sanctions that will be applied to them?
Will they be relegated, will their league title be stripped off them and if they do win any other trophies will they be stripped off them also?

[Dodge]

Any sanction is possible.

Until it happens, we won't know. No real point in discussing it until then IMO

[Ezeikial]

Hold on here- didn't Dundalk move from being a co-op to being a privately owned club because they made a total and utter balls of it? Or did I miss something?

They're lecturing Bohs and getting all self-righteous why now?

Not that I have any real sympathy for Bohs- you reap what you sow.

I suppose you don't see any irony or hypocrisy in that you make a weak attempt to have have a dig at Dundalk FC, while at the same time chide others for commenting on the current and on-going farce at Bohemian FC.

Like many other posts here that berate the posters, your post falls into the ludicrous notion that the poster and the club they support are one and the same entity. If Tom Coughlan has acted negligently at Cork City, this does not invalidate any opinion that Cork City supporters have of matters across the league. Similarly any poor financial management by the board at Finn Harps need not restrain you from posting your comments!

Although by your criteria, your recent bizarre and random post in the "If Drogs beat Dundalk" thread would certainly qualify as hypocritical (although I would be happy to clarify things for you, if you open an appropriate thread on it!)




25/07/2009, 1:26 AM
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Mr A:

Dundalk. Totally the best run club in the country. In your face.

IN YOUR FACE!!!!!!

[Mr A]

I'm not chiding anybody for having a go at Bohs I've done plenty myself and indeed have commented on madness at most clubs many times over, my own included. There does however seem to be a particular fascination with Bohs by the Dundalk contingent on here, and it seems a little much to berate their members decisions when Dundalk's weren't much better. If you're going to dish it out to other clubs you need to expect to be reminded that things haven't always been exemplary in your neck of the woods either.

[Ezeikial]

I'm not chiding anybody for having a go at Bohs I've done plenty myself and indeed have commented on madness at most clubs many times over, my own included. There does however seem to be a particular fascination with Bohs by the Dundalk contingent on here, and it seems a little much to berate their members decisions when Dundalk's weren't much better. If you're going to dish it out to other clubs you need to expect to be reminded that things haven't always been exemplary in your neck of the woods either.

I appreciate your clarification that you don't "lecture" or indulge in "self-righteousness"; although it sure seems to me that you adopt double standards when it suits you!

Somehow, you appear to say that it's okay for you to comment on other clubs' madness - but presumable not okay if several other Finn Harps supporters did likewise as this would then be a Finn Harps "contingent"!

If the situation at Bohemians only impacted on that club alone, I would be much less vociferous in my comments about the mind-numbing stupidity that has occured there (perhaps still occuring by way of absense of remedial action). Surely I don't need to spell out for you the affects and ramifications on the financial solvency of other clubs by the recent delusionary strategies of Bohs, Drogheda, Cork and Shelbourne.

You need look no further then within Finn Harps to see the impacts of a club feeling complelled to overstretch financially just to try and stay within the reach of the coat tails of the megalomaniac over-spenders.

The arrogance and self delusion of many supporters - in particular of Shelbourne and Bohemians - is a seperate but related issue. In the case of Bohs the fact that it is a members club makes this highly relevent, in that it is difficult to identify whether this delusion is more a symptom or cause of the current malaise.

The league will continue to lurch from one financial crises to the next while this crazy and unsustainable "win or bust" gambling ethic exists.

ps - while the difficulties endured by Dundalk in the past pale into insignificance compared to the above - you are perfectable entitled to point them out. Thankfully, with current owner Gerry Mathews, and his board, the club is being run in a very intelligent financial manner.

[BohDiddley]

Ez, I'm sitting here trying to fathom your motivation for spending such a remarkable amount of time and energy discussing BFC. (I suppose that on one level the club should be flattered.)

I can only conclude that you are planning to take the credit when changes already in motion take effect.

[marinobohs]

Ez, I'm sitting here trying to fathom your motivation for spending such a remarkable amount of time and energy discussing BFC. (I suppose that on one level the club should be flattered.)

I can only conclude that you are planning to take the credit when changes already in motion take effect.

Doubt it Boh, that would require "D Town" fans to acknowledge that Bohs did something right {however far in the future) and that is just way way beyond them :) Nice for them though after seven long years to be able to rub shoulders with the top clubs (and pretend they are one:rolleyes:)

[Ezeikial]

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Doubt it Boh, that would require "D Town" fans to acknowledge that Bohs did something right {however far in the future) and that is just way way beyond them :) Nice for them though after seven long years to be able to rub shoulders with the top clubs (and pretend they are one:rolleyes:)

Were you feeling unloved from a lack of attention when you revived this thread?

Personally, I would be pleased to acknowledge any real action from Bohs board in rectifying the mess that they have created, particularly as regards the 65% protocol.

They certainly appear to have spurned all opportunities to reduce the wage bill to date. Is there any short term plan to get within the 65% limit other then the Liverpool friendly?

[Da Real Rover]

[/B]Nice for them though after seven long years to be able to rub shoulders with the top clubs (and pretend they are one:rolleyes:)
Are Dundalk not one of the most successfull clubs in LOI History?
Are Dundalks attendances that much lower than your own?

[CharlesThompson]

Are Dundalk not one of the most successfull clubs in LOI History?
Are Dundalks attendances that much lower than your own?

Watch out everyone, Da Real Rover is pulling his fly down!!!!