Win or Bust for Bohs

[RoversHead]

There is more rejoicing in heaven......

The rest of the league might be more willing to congratulate you for your genuine and praiseworthy rebuild of your club if y'all weren't so quick to get in there first. And you do seem rather to forget that you lot were as guilty as any one else and for longer of the things you're happy to accuse us of until you were forced to do the right thing.
We are guilty of nothing under fans ownership it was privateers who screwed us you screwed yourselves there is a big difference.How many Bohs fans are talking about swollowing the bitter pill going part time and rebuilding your club on a realistic financial footing?Too many sonofstans and marinobohs is your main problem.

[adamd164]

We are guilty of nothing under fans ownership it was privateers who screwed us you screwed yourselves there is a big difference.How many Bohs fans are talking about swollowing the bitter pill going part time and rebuilding your club on a realistic financial footing?Too many sonofstans and marinobohs is your main problem.
What a load of ********. Rovers fans take the same attitude to every club in financial difficulty; no matter who's in charge. You took the same holier-than-thou stance with respect to our financial problems, even though we're owned by a business person and not a members' club. Talking out yer arseholes. Your hand was forced, simple as.

The amount of shi*e the rest of us have to put up with from you lot is unreal.

[niallsparky]

Do you think its only 500-600 k?

Never said that, I recognise that we'll probably miss the 65% threshold. The headline however is pure sensationalism, Bohs' loss today and possible subsequent relegation doesn't mean we'll go bust. The short term future of the club is in a bad state but the long term future seems relatively secure (with Dalymount as a salable asset in the future).

[blackholesun]

Brian Murphy probably put himself in the shop window tonight and Bohs will sell. That, plus the revenue from tonight and future winnings and gates (friendly with Liverpool etc) I think they'll be safe. They will lose players, and maybe a manager over the next 10 months, but their place in the premier league? No way.. and let's not forget, they'll also have a chance at Champions Lg once again this time next year..

Murphy was the best player in the league last season and no one came in for him when he was on a free after the Cup for a few weeks so cant see a scramble for him now, especially as he hasnt been as good this year.

bhs

[placid casual]

Taken from the "DeGypoweb"

Rovers Chairmans Curse
On Tuesday I heard Rovers chairman on Today FM with Matt Cooper (cant remember the ****ers name, it doesnt matter anyway).
Matt was going on about the great performance against a Real Madrid side having a light training session ...blah blah etc.
He then asked the Rovers chairman about the match against Bohs on Sunday and he asked if the rovers chairman would wish Bohs well in their champions league game.
His answer was "well theres a lot a great players in this league"
"Yes but do you wish Bohs well tomorrow night"
"Well, I hope they do the same as we did"
I remember saying to my mate "did you hear that, he wants us to loose to a goal in the 86th minute, the *******"
The rest is history
:D:p

This guy should be writing comedy.

[pineapple stu]

The short term future of the club is in a bad state but the long term future seems relatively secure (with Dalymount as a salable asset in the future).
How saleable is Dalymount now that there's no access to it though? Lack of cash flow kills companies, not lack of assets. You can't make loan repayments with ten rows of seats from the Jodi Stand.

I genuinely think Bohs fans still don't realise how much trouble the club's in.

[SunderlandBohs]

Taken from the "DeGypoweb"

Rovers Chairmans Curse
On Tuesday I heard Rovers chairman on Today FM with Matt Cooper (cant remember the ****ers name, it doesnt matter anyway).
Matt was going on about the great performance against a Real Madrid side having a light training session ...blah blah etc.
He then asked the Rovers chairman about the match against Bohs on Sunday and he asked if the rovers chairman would wish Bohs well in their champions league game.
His answer was "well theres a lot a great players in this league"
"Yes but do you wish Bohs well tomorrow night"
"Well, I hope they do the same as we did"
I remember saying to my mate "did you hear that, he wants us to loose to a goal in the 86th minute, the *******"
The rest is history
:D:p

This guy should be writing comedy.

Or a medium:eek:

[John83]

How saleable is Dalymount now that there's no access to it though? Lack of cash flow kills companies, not lack of assets. You can't make loan repayments with ten rows of seats from the Jodi Stand.
And even if they can liquidate the asset, why are fans always so blasé about ****ing away their stadium on current expenditure? If they'd sold Dalymount, built a new ground in a decent location and used the extra cash, fine, but instead they seem to be looking to wind up as homeless as Shams were.

It's like a gambler insisting that his debts don't matter because he can sell his house to pay them off.

[WoodquayBoy]

Taken from the "DeGypoweb"

Rovers Chairmans Curse
On Tuesday I heard Rovers chairman on Today FM with Matt Cooper (cant remember the ****ers name, it doesnt matter anyway).
Matt was going on about the great performance against a Real Madrid side having a light training session ...blah blah etc.
He then asked the Rovers chairman about the match against Bohs on Sunday and he asked if the rovers chairman would wish Bohs well in their champions league game.
His answer was "well theres a lot a great players in this league"
"Yes but do you wish Bohs well tomorrow night"
"Well, I hope they do the same as we did"
I remember saying to my mate "did you hear that, he wants us to loose to a goal in the 86th minute, the *******"
The rest is history
:D:p

This guy should be writing comedy.
And if I recall correctly, he said straight out he hoped Bohs won

[marinobohs]

Regardless of who you support, a win tonight for them would have rewarded a policy of outrageous cheating and blatant financial recklessness, which was allowed to continue no matter how many times they were warned about it. Not to mention how it affected other clubs ability to compete in our league.

We, on the other hand, took our medicine, and built our club up from the other division. And if we are in Europe next year, it will be the result of hard work, not monopoly money.

No. if the hooped scum are in europe next year it will be as a result of cheating people you owed money to, sponging off the tax payer and previous board submitting false accounts and misusing public funds (still not paid back).

no doubt every kid in Tallaght will dream of acting as a purple coloured traffic cone for a big team pre season kick about :)

[The Betting Man]

Regardless of who you support, a win tonight for them would have rewarded a policy of outrageous cheating and blatant financial recklessness, which was allowed to continue no matter how many times they were warned about it. Not to mention how it affected other clubs ability to compete in our league.

We, on the other hand, took our medicine, and built our club up from the other division. And if we are in Europe next year, it will be the result of hard work, not monopoly money.

Did the Rovers board not ask their members to pay/take out a 5 year membership so they could get money which they really needed?

[Fry]

Bohs remain hot favourites to win the league, and the €280,000 prize money that goes with it, and have in Gary Deegan and Brian Murphy players who could potentially attract €150,000 plus in UK transfers.

Add in a possible cup run, wage trimming through free transfers, and other fund raising possibilities, surely it is not impossible to pull in well in excess of €500,000 - €600,000 that was never guaranteed?
It might not have been guaranteed but it was probably budgeted for at the start of the season.

[blackholesun]

Re Rovers Chairmans Curse

Boo hoo, so what! Would the Barca Chairman wish Real well? Would Rangers wish Celtic well before the game?

The clubs in the league are in competition with eachother for players, sponsorship, fans, points etc.

This result will hopefully mean the end of the celtic tiger / property backed unsustainable football era.

Hopefully a new more successfull era of sustainable football will emerge.

Bohs and Irish football in general will in the medium term be the better of that 87th minute goal last night in my oponion!

bhs

ps. regarding a transfer fee for Deegan, he is out of contract this month!

[Umberside]

Re Rovers Chairmans Curse

Boo hoo, so what! Would the Barca Chairman wish Real well? Would Rangers wish Celtic well before the game?

The clubs in the league are in competition with eachother for players, sponsorship, fans, points etc.

This result will hopefully mean the end of the celtic tiger / property backed unsustainable football era.

Hopefully a new more successfull era of sustainable football will emerge.

Bohs and Irish football in general will in the medium term be the better of that 87th minute goal last night in my oponion!

bhs

ps. regarding a transfer fee for Deegan, he is out of contract this month!

I know he was bought this time last year, but surely he should've got a one and a half year contract to see out this season with Bohs rather than be released in the middle of the season.

[oriel]

I`ve no great love for Bohs, but I was really hoping they would have got through last night, I dont understand why so many on here are rejoicing at their failure.

[Partizan]

In all fairness considering how close you were to going out of business in Waterford only last year, should you be really be laughing at Bohs? :confused:

We did encounter cash flow problems so in order to stay within the 65% rule we cut our cloth to fit our measure and paid off the creditors. What did Bohs do when they encountered their own financial problems?

They continued to trade recklessly and spend money that they didnt have. Cheating and incompetence should not be rewarded and last night's defeat hopefully will make the mandarins up in D7 finally see sense that the game is up. Unfortunatly judging from the comments here and on Gypoweb, many Bozos continue to live in la la land and stick their collective heads in the sand.

WUFC could have gone on to trade irresponsibly and staked everything on promotion but we didnt want to end up as another Cobh.

[passinginterest]

ps. regarding a transfer fee for Deegan, he is out of contract this month!

If he is and a move to England doesn't materialise he'd be an ideal signing for Rovers, put him alongside Rice and they'd be very hard to beat. That really would be devestating for the Bohs fans.

[Ezeikial]

I`ve no great love for Bohs, but I was really hoping they would have got through last night, I dont understand why so many on here are rejoicing at their failure.

There are reasons to be hopeful, if not quite rejoice, at the inevitable collapse of Bohemians delusional gambling.

The megalomania that fuelled Bohs irrational and irresponsible spending - which has previously been exhibited by successive league winners Cork, Shelbourne and Drogheda - is fundamentally destructive for the league.

The 65% wage protocol was introduced because of necessity - I suspect that the sanctions likely to follow for Bohemians should have a far greater stabilising influence on clubs generally, then the unlikely success of a crazy financial gamble.

Dysfunctional gamblers rarely know when to stop of their own accord.

[placid casual]

Hopefully Bohs dont go bust, well not before Sunday anyway.:)

[dcfcsteve]

Does any self-respecting LOI fan ever drink Red Bull again? DG says no...

Lets try to make sure Red Bull's marketing costs them more sales than it bought? Seems like as cruel justice as it was that Bohs lost tonight, regardless of the wisdom/foolishness of their financial moves.

WTF ?!? :confused:

Are you suggesting that LOI fans shouldn't drink Red Bull because a team they own/sponsor had the cheek to beat an Irish squad ? :o

I just pray for you that none of our sides have to line out competitively against FC Lesbos....

[mypost]

if the hooped are in europe next year it will be as a result of cheating people you owed money to, sponging off the tax payer and previous board submitting false accounts and misusing public funds (still not paid back)

:D:D:D

Our current board haven't done any of the above.

[sonofstan]

:D:D:D

Our current board haven't done any of the above.

And our current board weren't responsible for the Albion deal, the Danninger Deal, didn't authorise any of the contracts currently in place with players, didn't draw up last years accounts.......

However, we admit to being a continuous entity all the time, not just when it suits us. If the actions of previous SR boards are nothing to do with you now, then neither are any of your league titles.

[pineapple stu]

What have your current board done about them though? Have they sold anyone during the transfer window, for example? And weren't all the major decisions - including the sale of the ground - voted on by the fans? There's many differences between the two clubs' situations.

[EnglishSource]

Did the Rovers board not ask their members to pay/take out a 5 year membership so they could get money which they really needed?

Did they ask? Yes.

Was there any significant number of people who did so on that occassion? No.

[John83]

WTF ?!? :confused:

Are you suggesting that LOI fans shouldn't drink Red Bull because a team they own/sponsor had the cheek to beat an Irish squad ? :o

I just pray for you that none of our sides have to line out competitively against FC Lesbos....
Or get screwed over by Oxygen.

[Darkglasses]

WTF ?!? :confused:

Are you suggesting that LOI fans shouldn't drink Red Bull because a team they own/sponsor had the cheek to beat an Irish squad ? :o

I just pray for you that none of our sides have to line out competitively against FC Lesbos....

Was in jest really Steve, although I never liked Red Bull anyway.

[marinobohs]

:D:D

Our current board haven't done any of the above.

Change the board, walk away from your responsibilities and sponge off the tax payer ! another glorious page in the history of Shams EST **** (make it up depending on the issue) :D

[Ezeikial]

Change the board, walk away from your responsibilities and sponge off the tax payer ! :D

Thats really unfair! Bohs have not done any sponging.

[Derry]

You win the league on the pitch,if we win the league then its because we have been the best team on the pitch over 30 odd games so it would be right to be allowed to be league champions

Pats won the league on the pitch, but the FAI handed Shels the League Championship. Any rules that Bohs break are getting broke in the current season. If at the end of the season they have won the league and it is found out they broke the rules during that same season, they should be punished for that by telling them that as they broke the rules (cheated) their way to the trophy they can't have it. In the likes of the Olympics any one who is found to have cheated loses their medal, should that not be found out for another year.

[marinobohs]

Pats won the league on the pitch, but the FAI handed Shels the League Championship. Any rules that Bohs break are getting broke in the current season. If at the end of the season they have won the league and it is found out they broke the rules during that same season, they should be punished for that by telling them that as they broke the rules (cheated) their way to the trophy they can't have it. In the likes of the Olympics any one who is found to have cheated loses their medal, should that not be found out for another year.

Now if you can just get Rovers (always up to something dodgy) Cork and a few others kicked out as well then derry might, just might, win the League

[CMcC]

There are reasons to be hopeful, if not quite rejoice, at the inevitable collapse of Bohemians delusional gambling.

The megalomania that fuelled Bohs irrational and irresponsible spending - which has previously been exhibited by successive league winners Cork, Shelbourne and Drogheda - is fundamentally destructive for the league.

The 65% wage protocol was introduced because of necessity - I suspect that the sanctions likely to follow for Bohemians should have a far greater stabilising influence on clubs generally, then the unlikely success of a crazy financial gamble.

Dysfunctional gamblers rarely know when to stop of their own accord.

What will happen will happen. Its not November yet though. Your obvious obsession with all things Bohemian is frankly pathetic at this stage.

[marinobohs]

Thats really unfair! Bohs have not done any sponging.

Yawn. not sure what you are talking about there (but then I doubt if even you do). Tell us, just what is it with you and Bohs ? three league wins ? Dundalk getting Seanie after we dumped him? and worse what will it be like when we end your season after the cup game ?:rolleyes:

[mypost]

sponge off the tax payer!

Public authorities and sports associations across the country receive government funding. Do you object to them all getting it or just the council who built our ground? :rolleyes:


Now if you can just get Rovers (always up to something dodgy) kicked out

That's an example of the delusional mindset that has your club in the position they're in.

Unlike your club, we knew that there were serious problems facing our club under the last owners. We paid a painful price for it, the club got rid of the owners, and have come out the other side. Sooner or later, reality will hit your club as well.

[saintmaniac]

I just pray for you that none of our sides have to line out competitively against FC Lesbos....

Because the majority of LOI fans are heterosexual males and... what? It was a joke?

I can't wade through another of these threads, it's like a gladiatorial fight between Bohs and Rovers fans as to who's the more hypocritical, with the occasional neutral taking sides. Personally I'd worry about my own club before mouthing off about another.

[Ezeikial]

It appears that Pat Fenlon believes that relegation and European disqualification will not happen. According to the Evening Herald he is targeting retaining the league title and competing again in the Champions League next season.

I suppose keeping the panel together would be important then - but how can this be achieved?



Evening Herald 23 July:
"But a defiant Pat Fenlon today predicted that his Gypsies players will be back here again next season as they're more determined than ever to win the league for the second year running."

"Yet Fenlon is keen to keep this panel together, despite last night's 1-0 loss..."



http://www.herald.ie/sport/soccer/bohs-in-fight-to-survive-1836657.html

[Sheridan]

What else is he gonna say?

[dancinpants]

It appears that Pat Fenlon believes that relegation and European disqualification will not happen. According to the Evening Herald he is targeting retaining the league title and competing again in the Champions League next season.

I suppose keeping the panel together would be important then - but how can this be achieved?



http://www.herald.ie/sport/soccer/bohs-in-fight-to-survive-1836657.html


Same as Sheridan.

He's hardly gonna come out and say "Ah well, thats us f**ked so".

[Ezeikial]

Extract from todays Irish Independent:


By Daniel McDonnell
Friday July 24 2009
Yesterday was about counting the cost. In the wake of Wednesday's woe, secretary Gerry Conway speculated that holding out to progress would have earned the club in the region of €400,000.
Even if Bohs had lost to Dinamo Zagreb in the third qualifying round, they would have then been parachuted into the final qualifying stage of the Europa League.
"We were looking at making €220,000 if we were to make the next round, and then lose at that stage," said Conway.
"There would have been two home gates from which we would have expected to gross between €100,000 and €150,000 plus any television money. Approximately €400,000 would have been the benefit to us from going through."
In their current state, the cash is desperately needed. Earlier this month, finance director Chris Brien informed club members that progression in Europe was essential if they are to avoid ending this season over the 65pc Salary Cost Protocol which would mean serious sanctions, including relegation and expulsion from Europe, in the worse-case scenario.
The Salzburg defeat means that other options will have to be considered, principally a trimming of the wage bill which could result in some of Fenlon's leading players exiting the dressing-room.
With just a week until the Irish transfer window closes, and few other clubs recruiting at this juncture due to the general financial climate, then it is more likely that sides in the UK will be alerted considering their transfer window extends until the end of August. However, Conway insists that all is not lost, arguing the context of Brien's warning.
"He said that if we had no other sources of income and no other financial plans, that (breaching of 65pc rule) would be the case. But we have other plans, although they are too early to bring to the members yet.
"We are confident we won't be over the 65pc at the end of the season. At the moment, we believe we are at 64pc, the FAI believes we are at 66pc. That is without going through in Europe this week so I am confident we won't exceed it.
"Obviously from a cash-flow point of view, it would have been beneficial to have another full house next week. But I don't believe it's the difference between making or not making the 65pc rule on November 30 next."
Bohs hope to profit from a friendly against a Liverpool XI, which has been organised for August 17. However, there are doubts about the quality of Reds side they will see at Dalymount Park, considering they kick-off their Premier League campaign against Tottenham 24 hours earlier.
"I have no idea as to the strength of the Liverpool squad," admitted Conway. "I don't know who will be coming back from injury or what the plan is so I cannot say what the strength of squad will be at this moment."
In the short term, Bohs will concentrate on this Sunday's top-of-the-table clash with rivals Shamrock Rovers, who come into the game buzzing following a very different kind of loss at Tallaght on Monday. Despite the kick-off time of 1.0, the high-profile nature of both clubs' affairs this week should result in a large crowd at Dalymount.
The problem for Bohs is that they can't guarantee similar sized attendances for the remainder of the calendar, making it difficult to justify their spending. Unfortunately, it's a familiar tale.


http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/storm-clouds-gather-at-bohs-1838314.html

[RoversHead]

Ah great news im glad it was all Rovers hype and that all is now well for them well done Gerry and the lads ....................jesus wept!

[mcgonigle]

What will happen will happen. Its not November yet though. Your obvious obsession with all things Bohemian is frankly pathetic at this stage.

I'll tell you what is patheic. Ezeikial is one of the few posters on here that actually backs his/her comments up with FACTS and SOURCES and because it is about Bohs he/she is attacked by every Bohs fan on here and told that he/she is fascinated with the club.

When in reality for every reply a Bohs fan gives to one of his/her posts he comes back and wipes the floor with you lot and then all you can say is "oh your fascination with our club.... blah blah blah" now that is pathetic.

Like every other LOI fan he/she is upset that a fellow LOI club is dragging the leagues name through the mud again and its not because it Bohs, it would be the same for any other club.

Do you want to know why this is getting so much attention on her?
It is because your fans are constantly coming on here and trying to defend your clubs actions, "We have NOT broken any rules YET" rubbish. Its not christmas YET but I know its coming and wouldn't argue against it.

Here's some advice, accept that your club has done wrong, accept that it is in a bad way and things need to change drastically. Accept that you probably need to let your whole squad go and start again in a lower division, because ultimately it may save a great club that very few want to see fold. Stop tryig to defend the undefendable!

[marinobohs]

I'll tell you what is patheic. Ezeikial is one of the few posters on here that actually backs his/her comments up with FACTS and SOURCES and because it is about Bohs he/she is attacked by every Bohs fan on here and told that he/she is fascinated with the club.

When in reality for every reply a Bohs fan gives to one of his/her posts he comes back and wipes the floor with you lot and then all you can say is "oh your fascination with our club.... blah blah blah" now that is pathetic.

Like every other LOI fan he/she is upset that a fellow LOI club is dragging the leagues name through the mud again and its not because it Bohs, it would be the same for any other club.

Do you want to know why this is getting so much attention on her?
It is because your fans are constantly coming on here and trying to defend your clubs actions, "We have NOT broken any rules YET" rubbish. Its not christmas YET but I know its coming and wouldn't argue against it.

Here's some advice, accept that your club has done wrong, accept that it is in a bad way and things need to change drastically. Accept that you probably need to let your whole squad go and start again in a lower division, because ultimately it may save a great club that very few want to see fold. Stop trying to defend the undefendable!

.....or perhaps get a can of petrol and head up to the FAI offices ? :D why the hell would any supporter "accept" relegation UNTIL it is a fact (which despite the delusions of posters on here it is NOT). In the short to medium term every Bohs supporter knows that our current set up is over and that from next season our playing squad will be very different. Whether they should have known this earlier is irrelevant right now. The clubs immediate concern must be to get back on side on the 65% rule and stay in the Premier - if we don't we will have to accept the inevitable.

[Derry]

Now if you can just get Rovers (always up to something dodgy) Cork and a few others kicked out as well then derry might, just might, win the League

And if you want to chedat your way to a league title you should be punished. A little bit of trivia for you concerning Bohs and Derry, Your win last Sunday was the 2nd time you have beaten Derry over 90 mins in 20 GAMES.

[The Betting Man]

A little bit of trivia for you concerning Bohs and Derry, Your win last Sunday was the 2nd time you have beaten Derry over 90 mins in 20 GAMES.

Yes we have a bad record against Derry lately but whats the got to do with anything

[marinobohs]

And if you want to chedat your way to a league title you should be punished. A little bit of trivia for you concerning Bohs and Derry, Your win last Sunday was the 2nd time you have beaten Derry over 90 mins in 20 GAMES.

Yea too busy winning all those trophies to worry about records against smaller clubs. Cute, the way you air brush our FAI Cup win from your trivia (over 90 minutes etc etc) Wonder why we got that big cup so ? And why Stephen had a weep ? perhaps you should have told him "its OK its only over 90 minutes" :) 10 points and counting...........

[pineapple stu]

Can we quit the penis comparisons and get back on topic?

[The Betting Man]

Can we quit the penis comparisons and get back on topic?

Derry started it ;)

[roinuj]

anyway, how bad a depth are bohs in ?

[Raheny Red]

anyway, how bad a depth are bohs in ?

About 200 metres below sea level.

[John83]

anyway, how bad a depth are bohs in ?
Let's just say that they seriously need to start digging up.

[Partizan]

anyway, how bad a depth are bohs in ?

I'd say somewhere in the Mariana Trench :D