Win or Bust for Bohs

[BohDiddley]

Nice to see she the provicials bonding in their eternal medoricity.

Is that a new form of urban development?

[Longfordian]

We went and spent more money than we could afford, won a few trophies. Great fun at the time but if you want a club to support it has to end some time.

[LukeO]

I am proud of Bohs and their general atitude to running the club. Rather live a day like a lion than a life of a lamb.

Or rather; better to live a glorious season or two as a Bohs, Cork, Shels fan than a lifetime in the RSC.

The 'all or nothing' is what makes a club great and provides amazing memories for fans.

You see how this works? It's the choice between banging Angelina Jolie once, versus a life spent with a nice plain girl who thinks blow jobs are dirty.

Life is for living. Football is the same. Glory is worth the price. Deal with it or move to Limerick.

Oh dear... :o

[A N Mouse]

Is that a new form of urban development?

Yep, and obviously as bohs fans you'd know all about redevelopment...

oh wait

[Duggie]

Nice to see she the provicials bonding in their eternal medoricity.

can someone translate please :confused:

[Longfordian]

Bohs = kewl. Everyone else = loserz.

[Joseph McSweene]

one wonders where Cork City stand with regards the 65% rule, considering their revenue has not been as Coughlan expected and their wage bill is known to be substantial.

No word of a transfer embargo there thus far, and indeed they seem to have players coming in on trial.

I think we're below it so far but from all sounds of it our books may be a bit messed up. Certainly missing a large tax bill is an oversight isn't it? I reckon we'll run into financial problems eventually anyway-not even that it'll be our chairmans fault too much more that money is getting so tight for the league. Rumours are slowly filtering out that we'll be a more part-time set-up next season. I'd like to see the league try to retain an element of professionalism but if it can't be done then so be it.

No players on trial-we're looking for trialists for our youth set-up and we've also taken Gareth Cambridge in on amateur terms by all accounts-though Doolin said in his latest interview that hes just training with us. Just to clear that up!:)

[Boh_So_Good]

Bohs = kewl. Everyone else = loserz.



Works for me!

[The Betting Man]

Would it be right or fair if Bohs do not make the wage cap and be allowed to be league champions, if they win it. I mean they will have broken the rules this season, so surely they should be punished this season.

You win the league on the pitch,if we win the league then its because we have been the best team on the pitch over 30 odd games so it would be right to be allowed to be league champions

[John83]

You win the league on the pitch,if we win the league then its because we have been the best team on the pitch over 30 odd games so it would be right to be allowed to be league champions
Sigh. No one reads the damned threads. From the article in the first post:

If they end the season above the cut-off point, they will face relegation, expulsion from any European competition for which they qualify and will also relinquish any trophies they win this season.

[pól-dcfc]

You win the league on the pitch,if we win the league then its because we have been the best team on the pitch over 30 odd games so it would be right to be allowed to be league champions

You are an idiot. You win the league on the pitch, yes. But why should you keep the title if you have cheated the whole season?

[niallsparky]

You are an idiot. You win the league on the pitch, yes. But why should you keep the title if you have heated the whole season?

Because.

[Ezeikial]

You win the league on the pitch,if we win the league then its because we have been the best team on the pitch over 30 odd games so it would be right to be allowed to be league champions

Can you really be so blind so as not to see the bigger picture?

[DmanDmythDledge]

The members were told that the club had budgeted to spend €1.4m on players' wages this season, but that figure had to be increased to €1.6m to take into account bonuses still due to the players for their league win last season.
Is the 65% salary cap based on P+L accounts? If so surely the bonus should be considered part of last seasons?

[Longfordian]

You are an idiot. You win the league on the pitch, yes. But why should you keep the title if you have heated the whole season?

What Pats ever do with that Champions Of Ireland trophy?. Could we dust it off to solve a problem?.

[pineapple stu]

Is the 65% salary cap based on P+L accounts? If so surely the bonus should be considered part of last seasons?
I suppose if they forgot (or "forgot") to declare it in last season's P&L, it makes sense to put in this season's. You'd have amnesia breaking out right across the league then.

[DmanDmythDledge]

I suppose if they forgot (or "forgot") to declare it in last season's P&L, it makes sense to put in this season's. You'd have amnesia breaking out right across the league then.
Why would it make more sense? Surely the most logical thing to do would be to ammend last year's account (accruals principle as you know ;)) rather than just creating another error, especially one which makes things more difficult for them.

[pineapple stu]

But if (and this is all hypothetical), the accounts were signed off and the accrual was never put in, then you can't do that.

Not saying that's what's happened; just giving a scenario to fit the facts you noted.

[Partizan]

I am proud of Bohs and their general atitude to running the club. Rather live a day like a lion than a life of a lamb.

Or rather; better to live a glorious season or two as a Bohs, Cork, Shels fan than a lifetime in the RSC.
The 'all or nothing' is what makes a club great and provides amazing memories for fans.

You see how this works? It's the choice between banging Angelina Jolie once, versus a life spent with a nice plain girl who thinks blow jobs are dirty.

Life is for living. Football is the same. Glory is worth the price. Deal with it or move to Limerick.

Hey Bozo, we'll be playing Premier next season. A lifetime of mediocrity awaits you lot. Enjoy your trips to Kildare and Monaghan.

Come on Red Bull :D

[Black and White]

I hope Bohs go bust, serves them right for being minnows and appointing that rat faceed little ......!;)

[hoops1]

I am proud of Bohs and their general atitude to running the club. Rather live a day like a lion than a life of a lamb.

Or rather; better to live a glorious season or two as a Bohs, Cork, Shels fan than a lifetime in the RSC.

The 'all or nothing' is what makes a club great and provides amazing memories for fans.

You see how this works? It's the choice between banging Angelina Jolie once, versus a life spent with a nice plain girl who thinks blow jobs are dirty.

Life is for living. Football is the same. Glory is worth the price. Deal with it or move to Limerick.

A year in the first division will sort you out son.

[dcfcsteve]

I am proud of Bohs and their general atitude to running the club. Rather live a day like a lion than a life of a lamb.

Or rather; better to live a glorious season or two as a Bohs, Cork, Shels fan than a lifetime in the RSC.

The 'all or nothing' is what makes a club great and provides amazing memories for fans.

You see how this works? It's the choice between banging Angelina Jolie once, versus a life spent with a nice plain girl who thinks blow jobs are dirty.

Life is for living. Football is the same. Glory is worth the price. Deal with it or move to Limerick.

People like you give credibility to the oft-repeated myth that fans can't be trusted to run football clubs :o

Enjoy your club's mayfly existence, as it appears a prolonged period of mediocrity may be just around the corner....

[SkStu]

why the hell are so many of you taking what BSG has posted as serious?? He has always posted funny, sarcastic, tongue in cheek posts here on a whole host of topics.


Sometimes i despair at the schadenfreude from posters here. Its pathetic. Sure, our old board messed up but wishing us to lose against Salzburg is pitiful. Despite our different allegiances, i always rowed in behind Drogs, Pats, Cork, Sligo etc and i enjoyed (nervously) Shels' run of a few years ago. The only team i wouldnt cheer for obviously is Rovers. And that would be out of rivalry, not out of wishing them to go out of existence.

And we're not dead and buried yet, not by a long shot, so save your unbridled joy until we are.*

* uneccessary drama but i was tired and emotional.

[OneRedArmy]

You win the league on the pitch,if we win the league then its because we have been the best team on the pitch over 30 odd games so it would be right to be allowed to be league champions

Proof that Bohs are the new Shels.

FACT. As they like to say round Dalyer.

When all else fails trot out the "jumpers for goalposts, first to 10 wins" argument.

Sure why not throw out all the rules so? Match fixing... Go right ahead, ineligible player, we won on the pitch didn't we?.......

Your argument has more holes in it than the sale agreement for the shopping centre end.

[Dalymountrower]

Hey Bozo, we'll be playing Premier next season. A lifetime of mediocrity awaits you lot. Enjoy your trips to Kildare and Monaghan.

Come on Red Bull :D



Waterford will never be a top club again unless they re-locate with the glass factory to Eastern Europe so I doubt whether I will ever be able to return the compliment and wish you luck in your european campaign.
if Bohs do have stumble for a few seasons we`ll take it on the chin and be back stronger than ever. Bohs don`t do mediocrity

[baddebt]

boring , cheating bohs..............................they will break the salary cap, but the FAI will then tweak the rules in their favour to ensure they don't get relegated.

[SMorgan]

If course they wıll. Sure just look at the bendıng over backwards the FAI dıd to keep Drogheda Unıted ın the League.

They are ın the league on the basıs of an appeal to the grantıng of plannıng permıssıon for theır stadıum ın the sky. I wonder what theyll do now to keep them ın the league along wıth Bohs.

I know at thıs tıme of year we all have a cyber group hug and wısh all LOI teams well ın Europe. Persoannly, I hope Bohs are hammered and the the second leg ıs only a matter of course.

[Partizan]

if Bohs do have stumble for a few seasons we`ll take it on the chin and be back stronger than ever. Bohs don`t do mediocrity

Some of the comments on bohs web are absolutley priceless. The sheer nonchalance and refusal to come to terms with the financial meltdown that awaits, suggests that you lot will be wallowing in mediocrity for a long time to come.

Look. Im following Bohs the last 12 years and all iv heard for those 12 years is bums on seats. But we will never get bums on seats inless the grounds are better but yet all the clubs havnt a pot to **** in so that wont happen any time soon ( inless you pay everone 4% and get a free rental of a new stadium). So we have to start thinking of other angles. The bar is the obvious one to look at. It has to be run properly!!! For starter a few pokie machines in the bars will bring in some dosh, get rid of those fruit machines, there not worth a ******. I know for a fact pokies bring in good money. i have experienced it. Have a Chinese night every so often. They love there own private room with music and they would love the pokie machines aswell. Why isnt the bar open during the day with cheap booze. I dont know the reason, if someone wants to fill me in? Can we hold gigs in Dalymount or is there health and safety reasons?

Here's another one -

definitely think that now this is out in the open that there should be massive agressive marketing from the club to get new members in.

I would even go as far as having special memberships schemes. Maybe something like 10% discount for our Polish, Chinese, other minority friends, to try and entice them in.

Lets beat up the journo who blew our financial cover up -

whoever is leaking this should **** off dont give me ah we new this already ****e. I hope the person leaking this is found out an gets a good hiding the ****. Dont usually agree with violence but whoever this ***** is he deserves what he gets should be ****ed out of the club aswell! Conway should not be talking to the the journo either, should just ignore them.

You couldnt make that up. :D

The Discover Ireland League awaits

[Partizan]

P.s.

come on salzburg!!

[baddebt]

Yeah I usually support LOI teams in europe , but the manner in which bohs go about a match is a joke.
There plan last night was to get Michael daly sent off , right from the first whistle they where at him.niggling, pushing him ( and all that comes from the scumbag manager of theirs) they will get beaten on tuesday night by Salzburg (10-0 i hope)..............I couldn't see the challenge for the red card , according to RTE is that it was Harsh...............that tells its own story

[baddebt]

Dalymounter ......to get more people interested in the league , we need to see good football........................bohs get all the TV coverage , but there brand of football will not attract any new fans ..................it will infact turn current fans away from the league.
you go 1-0 and then shout-up shop........its Pathetic

[ps bohs]

gwan son get it off your chest lad ,was your lunch money robbed on Doyles corner or something :)

[Ezeikial]

why the hell are so many of you taking what BSG has posted as serious??


Agree that his post can't be taken seriously.

The problem is that BSG posts seem to reflect the general attitude within the club based on the actions (and inactions) of the board (and by extension the members).





Sure, our old board messed up

Are all the current board members absolved from responsibility in your view?
Are all the club members absolved from responsibility?
Has Gerry Conway not been a pivital figure on all recent boards?


....... but wishing us to lose against Salzburg is pitiful. Despite our different allegiances....

It goes against the grain to wish for a LOI team to lose in Europe, but I certainly do. Progress in Europe and retaining the league title leaves open the possibility that Bohs recklessness and financial incompentence could be claimed as justified......avoiding the sanctions that are thoroughly deserved (even necessary!), and leading to further financial russian roulette. Enough is enough!




And we're not dead and buried yet, not by a long shot, so save your unbridled joy until we are.*



Should the inevitable come to pass.....there will be no joy in me, just a small rekindling of hope that clubs mighht take a more pragmatic approach to responsible management.

[viagogo]

After all the problems over the last few years clubs are still falling into this trap. How can this keep happening. Maybe be good for the league if Bohs were sent down.

[Dalymountrower]

After all the problems over the last few years clubs are still falling into this trap. How can this keep happening. Maybe be good for the league if Bohs were sent down.


The last few years????
How do you think Rovers won their four-in row? They poached the best players by paying them money that was unsustainable and which ultimately resulted in Kilcoyne cashing in the assett to cover his loss .

Dundalks great team of Mc Conville, Keely, Dainty, King? Built and sustained on the basis of prudent financial management? was it f....k.

Shels overspent but with an added vindictive element of trying to put other clubs out of business, particularly us and Pats.

Derry City, Begging bowl cycle , nuff said`

Cork Celtic, signing George Best on the equivalent in todays money of 15 k a match. City, perennial overspenders due to non payment of taxes (thats alright according to the FAI, they aren`t in breach of the 65%)

Waterford, Flying Bobby Charlton in to play matches ffs. Didn`t work, Bohs beat them 2-0 in Dalymount.

I could add many many more, there nothing new in football, we are all doomed to repeat the same mistakes. the trap is ambitiously or recklessy over-reaching for success. I would reckion that every club at some point,(other than UCD, the High Priests of Fiscal Rectitude)) has done that.

[Dalymountrower]

[QUOTE=Partizan;1190080]Some of the comments on bohs web are absolutley priceless. The sheer nonchalance and refusal to come to terms with the financial meltdown that awaits, suggests that you lot will be wallowing in mediocrity for a long time to come.

[B]L


You couldnt make that up. :D


Just reading back on your previous posts to try and decipher the source of your bitterness and envy. Other than your obvious [I]amor for the Tallaght Hoops I couldn1t detect anything else given that Waterford are so removed from any notion of rivalry with us. Anyway if we are in the First Division next year we can meet up and you can pour your heart out!:D

[BohDiddley]

The last few years????
How do you think Rovers won their four-in row? They poached the best players by paying them money that was unsustainable and which ultimately resulted in Kilcoyne cashing in the assett to cover his loss .

Dundalks great team of Mc Conville, Keely, Dainty, King? Built and sustained on the basis of prudent financial management? was it f....k.

Shels overspent but with an added vindictive element of trying to put other clubs out of business, particularly us and Pats.

Derry City, Begging bowl cycle , nuff said`

Cork Celtic, signing George Best on the equivalent in todays money of 15 k a match. City, perennial overspenders due to non payment of taxes (thats alright according to the FAI, they aren`t in breach of the 65%)

Waterford, Flying Bobby Charlton in to play matches ffs. Didn`t work, Bohs beat them 2-0 in Dalymount.

I could add many many more, there nothing new in football, we are all doomed to repeat the same mistakes. the trap is ambitiously or recklessy over-reaching for success. I would reckion that every club at some point,(other than UCD, the High Priests of Fiscal Rectitude)) has done that.

QFT. It's good to have some historical context as an antidote to cant and hypocrisy.

And we're still waiting for the Colm McCarthy School of Football Management to post their own accounts.

[Scrufil]

So technically if Bohs win the league but go over the wage cap is the second placed team in the league awarded the title? Is this covered in the FAI Rules?

[Dodge]

So technically if Bohs win the league but go over the wage cap is the second placed team in the league awarded the title? Is this covered in the FAI Rules?

Well it depends on the sanctions imposed on Bohs

My guess would be that they'd keep it

[Aaron]

Shels kept it in 2006 so i'd imagine it would be the same

[SkStu]

Agree that his post can't be taken seriously.

The problem is that BSG posts seem to reflect the general attitude within the club based on the actions (and inactions) of the board (and by extension the members).

why is that a problem and how does it justify the attacks on his post when its clearly ripping the ****? That was my point. The very fact that we officially now have a problem is more reflective in my view that the general attitude within the club has changed.



Are all the current board members absolved from responsibility in your view?

the new ones, yes. See above.


Are all the club members absolved from responsibility?

No. I never said that.


Has Gerry Conway not been a pivital figure on all recent boards?

Yes, See above.




It goes against the grain to wish for a LOI team to lose in Europe, but I certainly do. Progress in Europe and retaining the league title leaves open the possibility that Bohs recklessness and financial incompentence could be claimed as justified......avoiding the sanctions that are thoroughly deserved (even necessary!), and leading to further financial russian roulette. Enough is enough!

Fair enough. You would like to see us lose in Europe and kicked out of the league. Thats what it boils down to no matter what spin you put on it. Its pathetic. For further perspective, see Dalymountrowers excellent post.



Should the inevitable come to pass.....there will be no joy in me, just a small rekindling of hope that clubs mighht take a more pragmatic approach to responsible management.

Dream on.

[SkStu]

Yeah I usually support LOI teams in europe , but the manner in which bohs go about a match is a joke.
There plan last night was to get Michael daly sent off , right from the first whistle they where at him.niggling, pushing him ( and all that comes from the scumbag manager of theirs) they will get beaten on tuesday night by Salzburg (10-0 i hope)..............I couldn't see the challenge for the red card , according to RTE is that it was Harsh...............that tells its own story

yep, Nutsy sent the team out to focus on specifically getting Michael Daly sent off within 15minutes. Busted. Youre a genius.

The fact the Seanie said that his team wouldnt be bullied by Bohs next time we came to Dundalk had nothing to do with getting your players riled up to the degree that one idiot gets himself sent off, of course.

Pathetic.

[Ezeikial]

The very fact that we officially now have a problem is more reflective in my view that the general attitude within the club has changed.


The elephant was been in the room for a long time. The fact that the club have belatedly acknowledged the obvious hardly constitutes a change in attitude.

There is still no evidence of an action plan, other then close the eyes and hope for the best!



You would like to see us lose in Europe and kicked out of the league. Thats what it boils down to no matter what spin you put on it. Its pathetic. For further perspective, see Dalymountrowers excellent post.


No spin needed-
Out of the league - no; Out of the premier - yes
..... as per the sanctions that the FAI have clearly stated.

If Bohs break the 65% rule and get away with it this year, expect more of the same in the future (from Bohs and others). Dalymountrowers post is interesting if a little mistaken, and is basicallly making the point that financial imprudence has been gone on in LOI for years - more the reason why this madness must stop before the already fragile league totally implodes

[BohDiddley]

If Bohs break the 65% rule and get away with it this year, expect more of the same in the future (from Bohs and others).
If we do, we won't get away with it. No one expects that.


Dalymountrowers post is interesting if a little mistaken, and is basicallly making the point that financial imprudence has been gone on in LOI for years - more the reason why this madness must stop before the already fragile league totally implodes
You are fully in agreement with the majority of the new BFC board. What is generating opposition from Bohs fans here is the feeding frenzy of LoI fans, extending even to loyalty to Red Bull Salzburg, and the ignorance and lack of self-awareness displayed.

Bohs have been around for close on 120 years, representing north Dublin in association football. We may be in the First Div. next season, but we are not about to disappear and fulfil the fantasies of a college team and some bitter fans of clubs who will never know what it is to be champions.

[John83]

So technically if Bohs win the league but go over the wage cap is the second placed team in the league awarded the title? Is this covered in the FAI Rules?


Well it depends on the sanctions imposed on Bohs

My guess would be that they'd keep it
Not according to the Indo article in the first post.

The only FAI word I've seen on it is that they'll be relegated - nothing specifically on whether they'd keep the trophies.


Shels kept it in 2006 so i'd imagine it would be the same
Shels didn't break the 65% rule. It wasn't in yet.

[niallsparky]

to get more people interested in the league , we need to see good football........................bohs get all the TV coverage , but there brand of football will not attract any new fans ..................it will infact turn current fans away from the league.

Neither will any other teams' football. Fact is that no teams in the league play "good football" so your argument is a joke.

[Dodge]

Not according to the Indo article in the first post.


See thats why I think they'd keep it

[John83]

See thats why I think they'd keep it
I was going to make a comment along those lines, but I'm going to assume that they're incompetent rather than wilfully publishing falsehoods, so it's kind of up in the air.

[Ezeikial]

If Bohs (or anyone else) were relegated by FAI sanction, is there a defined protocol for how they are replaced in the Premier Division - is it that the loser of the promotion / relegation play off series gets the spot?

[dcfcsteve]

why the hell are so many of you taking what BSG has posted as serious?? He has always posted funny, sarcastic, tongue in cheek posts here on a whole host of topics.

... :o