Win or Bust for Bohs

[Weatherman]

Is the match on radio or tv?

[Dunny]

Is the match on radio or tv?

http://foot.ie/forums/showpost.php?p=1191633&postcount=39

(Must be the 6th time iv answered this Q!:))

[Weatherman]

cheers dunny!!! (sorry!)

[Mr A]

Danniger not just looking like a god bet right now: http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0717/accbank.html

[SMorgan]

I'd love to see this sort of action taken against those that ran some LOI clubs in the very recent past.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/foyle_and_west/8156511.stm

[CharlesThompson]

Promoting a progressive agenda all sounds fine and dandy, but what action are they taking?

Is there any reduction in wage costs being implemented?

The cases of Carey and Madden indicate that there is not

I know I shouldn't but here goes...

Are you for real? There has been a reduction in players wages already when they agreed to take a percentage cut in their pay packet. Bohs have already been in the news stating that if somebody wants to come in to buy our players that we would not stand in their way. Madden is already on our pay roll so getting him back only strengthens numbers in our small squad. Carey will sign on loan if allowed to by the FAI, by all accounts Celtic pay the boys wages. All players are under contract and to cut contracts short leaves us in the position of having to pay out huge amounts of money that would be owed under the terms of the contracts the players have signed with the club.

What would you suggest? Let the players contracts run out and get value from same players by playing games for the club, or let them go, pay off their contracts anyway and be left with no players??

We have voted in a new board who have spent inordinate amounts of time unravelling the twisted mess that has become Bohs accounts over the last 10 years and getting some sort of understanding where we ACTUALLY stand.

You seem to suggest that Bohs supporters are living in some Shels like bubble when it comes to our club. If you bothered to visit our MB and spend some time reading posts going back YEARS, you would see that the vast majority of Bohs supporters are incredibly concerned at the state of our club off the field of play.

Your ridiculous crusade of finger pointing and shock and awe is actually aimed towards nothing. You are coming across like an idiot.

[BohDiddley]

You're right. You shouldn't have. But I'm glad you did!

[Ezeikial]

There has been a reduction in players wages already when they agreed to take a percentage cut in their pay packet.

The reduction agreed by the players was pre-season and was overtly to facilitate the signing of additional players. These additions to the wage bill were clearly likely to push the club over the 65% limit. This is precisely why accusations of cheating are levelled at Bohemians
http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/soccer/2009/0205/1224240625290.html


Madden is already on our pay roll so getting him back only strengthens numbers in our small squad. Carey will sign on loan if allowed to by the FAI, by all accounts Celtic pay the boys wages.


Of course it is possible, but not very credible, that Celtic are prepared to pay Careys wages, and that Bohs were paying Maddens wages while at Shels. Clearly, whatever the facts are, the Bohs wage bill will not be reduced by these two transactions.


Bohs have already been in the news stating that if somebody wants to come in to buy our players that we would not stand in their way.

Not quite! The Evening Herald reported Pat Fenlon as saying that "players won't be leaving to go to clubs in this country" and "If players have to go outside the country and we don't get the fees we demand, that's something we've got to look at"

http://www.herald.ie/sport/soccer/fenlon-fears-bohs-exodus-1783597.html



We have voted in a new board who have spent inordinate amounts of time unravelling the twisted mess that has become Bohs accounts over the last 10 years and getting some sort of understanding where we ACTUALLY stand.


I accept the point, with some reservations - no doubt many of the new board are responsible and diligent people; Gerry Conway is a pivital link between both boards, and his recent utterings following the fans forum do not indicate any new found awareness.

But the real point here is that intent is one thing - action is another.




You seem to suggest that Bohs supporters are living in some Shels like bubble when it comes to our club. If you bothered to visit our MB and spend some time reading posts going back YEARS, you would see that the vast majority of Bohs supporters are incredibly concerned at the state of our club off the field of play.


Unfortunately, for many Bohs fans, the emergence from this "bubble" is a recent phenomenon. I have visited the Bohs forum and until recently it was very hard to find many dissenting voices among the din of "we are invincible"

[CharlesThompson]

You're right. You shouldn't have. But I'm glad you did!

Wish I didn't now.

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

[dcfcsteve]

On reading that further i should have said originally that at that time we had an agreement with other clubs (Cork, Derry??) not to pay more than e1000 per week to players.

I'm surprised no-ome else has raised this.

Wouldn't such an above agreement be against EU law - effectively a cartel to suppress wages in a certain sector within Ireland ?

[BohsPartisan]

Unfortunately, for many Bohs fans, the emergence from this "bubble" is a recent phenomenon. I have visited the Bohs forum and until recently it was very hard to find many dissenting voices among the din of "we are invincible"

While I agree that the majority of Bohs fans had their head in the sand, a lot of forum regulars didn't. However you don't have access to our private members sub-forum so you wouldn't see a lot of that.

[Ezeikial]

On reading that further i should have said originally that at that time we had an agreement with other clubs (Cork, Derry??) not to pay more than e1000 per week to players.



I'm surprised no-ome else has raised this.

Wouldn't such an above agreement be against EU law - effectively a cartel to suppress wages in a certain sector within Ireland ?

If such an agreement were actual in place perhaps it could be open to challenge - but I suspect that this is hypothetical. All the indications are that Faz and O'Donnell were signed on significantly more then this, while Ndo, Keegan and Shelley are hardly on less then €40k when the average Bohs wages are estimated (underestimated?) at €70k by the Indo.

There is a irony about the fact that the three clubs reported to have made this agreement, are the ones making most negative financial headlines some months later.

[brianw82]

Something that I don't think has been raised here - weren't all the Bohs players who accepted the pay cut at the start of the season given an extra year on their contracts as compensation?

[BohsPartisan]

Something that I don't think has been raised here - weren't all the Bohs players who accepted the pay cut at the start of the season given an extra year on their contracts as compensation?

No that's not the case.

[marinobohs]

They are found out, every Tom, Dick and Harry in this country knows they don't go about their business in the right way, people are annoyed that nothing seems to be done about it and not because it Bohs but because it's a club making a mockery out of the league.
At the end of the day every LOI fan wants to see LOI teams do well in Europe but they also want to see the ones who constantly break the rules punished appropriately and from the way Bohs have gone about their business, the only fair punishment is relegation just like Shels got. But I do hope they survive and come back for the few good Bohs fans that I know

for the 1000 time Bohs have not broken any rules yet if, at the end of the season we are over the 65% rule then (as many Bohs contributors have said) we will face the appropriate sanctions, if not in breach of it then no sanctions apply end of story. Why Dundalk fans have so much difficulty understanding this is, frankly, quite scary.

Perhaps Bohs V Dundalk - played 3 Wins 3 for 8 against 0 is a possible backdrop ?

[passinginterest]

Definitive proof that Bohs are about to be relegated.
http://www.ucfl.ie/docs/Divisions200910.xls
See division 2A, seems a bit harsh to send them all the way to UCFL, then again they will be pretty broke :)

[The Betting Man]

Definitive prove that Bohs are about to be relegated.
http://www.ucfl.ie/docs/Divisions200910.xls
See division 2A, seems a bit harsh to send them all the way to UCFL, then again they will be pretty broke :)

And we will still have our local derby with Rovers as well

[passinginterest]

And we will still have our local derby with Rovers as well

Ha just noticed that, could be a good derby there.

Do you know anything about the team? Is it being set up by Bohs fans, and did they ask to be in the same division as Glenmalure Rovers? :D

[The Betting Man]

Its being set up by Bohs fans and most if not all of the team are Bohs fans. This is the 1st season the team have been together so they thought that they would get Div 3 seeing as they are new but the league didnt see it like that and put them into Div 2a which seems a bit harsh. I wonder will PaddyPower have prices on the big derby in Div 2a :)

[passinginterest]

Its being set up by Bohs fans and most if not all of the team are Bohs fans. This is the 1st season the team have been together so they thought that they would get Div 3 seeing as they are new but the league didnt see it like that and put them into Div 2a which seems a bit harsh. I wonder will PaddyPower have prices on the big derby in Div 2a :)

The difference in standard between 2 and 3 in UCL is fairly marginal, I've played in division 2 and in 3b and my 3b team has knocked a few division 2 teams out of the cup. Only the top two divisions are much stronger, the rest tend to have a couple of strong teams and a lot of average ones.

Anyway gone miles off topic now.
Despite the mismanagement of the past I hope Bohs win tomorrow and survive the season and the new board can put them on a more sustainable long term path.

[Mr A]

Win or bust for Bohs? Uh oh.

[Hairy Bowsie]

Bust it is and it's going to be the biggest bust we've seen since Jordans last boob job :D

[prince20]

Bust it is and it's going to be the biggest bust we've seen since Jordans last boob job :D

Hope not just to shut clowns like you up.

[Candystripe]

Couldn't be arsed to read through the whole thread,but does this mean an exodus of players from Dalymount?

[Mr A]

It really should. This league is such a mess it's untrue.

[sonofstan]

Couldn't be arsed to read through the whole thread,but does this mean an exodus of players from Dalymount?

it would have happened anyway, unless we'd gotten to the group stages of either competition. Nearly everyone is out of contract in November. Mind you, where will they go?

Whatever happens, Bohs will survive.

[Rovers fan]

You seem to suggest that Bohs supporters are living in some Shels like bubble when it comes to our club. If you bothered to visit our MB and spend some time reading posts going back YEARS, you would see that the vast majority of Bohs supporters are incredibly concerned at the state of our club off the field of play.



Twas a good post but this bit I don't agree with. If the "vast majority" of bohs fans have been so concerned, for years, how were things allowed to continue as they did:confused:

[Umberside]

And here comes the third exodus in 3 years.

2007- Shelbourne
2008- Drogheda United
2009- Bohemians

[sonofstan]

Twas a good post but this bit I don't agree with. If the "vast majority" of bohs fans have been so concerned, for years, how were things allowed to continue as they did:confused:

it wasn't a vast majority, but it went from the small minority who voted against the Danninger deal (2006), to a majority who voted in a largely new board at the last AGM - and most of the Bohs fans that i know who post here have been part of that group since the beginning.

[Partizan]

Its bust for the Bozos.

Good night Irene :D

[Umberside]

Nearly everyone is out of contract in November. Mind you, where will they go?

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot went to Rovers should they win the league.

[Partizan]

And here comes the third exodus in 3 years.

2007- Shelbourne
2008- Drogheda United
2009- Bohemians

Indeed, there hasnt been an exodus like this since Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt. :D

[Rovers Maniac]

Its bust for the Bozos.

Good night Irene :D

In all fairness considering how close you were to going out of business in Waterford only last year, should you be really be laughing at Bohs? :confused:

[mypost]

Bust :)

[eelmonster]

Simply the bust ;)

[placid casual]

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot went to Rovers should they win the league.

It will be like 1983 all over again. :D
thats something to look forward to.

gary deegan can be the modern day liam o'brien.
i thank you
goodnight bohs from all at the 4% club :cool:

[irishultra]

Bust :)

Screw you :mad:

[niallsparky]

Bust :)

Homeless and bust...

[Ezeikial]

Presumably the title of the original Indo article "Win or Bust for Bohs" was inaccurate from the start - going "bust" was just a good headline and was never a likely consequence of failing to beat Salzburg?

Most poeple - including Bohs Finance Director Chris Brien - seem to accept that exceeding the 65% cap is inevitable and that FAI sanctions, including relegation, will therefore follow.

But is the 65% breach really so cut and dried?

Bohs remain hot favourites to win the league, and the €280,000 prize money that goes with it, and have in Gary Deegan and Brian Murphy players who could potentially attract €150,000 plus in UK transfers.

Add in a possible cup run, wage trimming through free transfers, and other fund raising possibilities, surely it is not impossible to pull in well in excess of €500,000 - €600,000 that was never guaranteed?

[niallsparky]

Presumably the title of the original Indo article "Win or Bust for Bohs" was inaccurate from the start - going "bust" was just a good headline and was never a likely consequence of failing to beat Salzburg?

Most poeple - including Bohs Finance Director Chris Brien - seem to accept that exceeding the 65% cap is inevitable and that FAI sanctions, including relegation, will therefore follow.

But is the 65% breach really so cut and dried?

Bohs remain hot favourites to win the league, and the €280,000 prize money to go with in, and have in Gary Deegan and Brian Murphy players who could potentially attract €150,000 plus in Uk transfers.

Add in a possible cup run, wage trimming through free transfers, and other fund raising possibilities, surely it is not impossible to pull in well in excess of €500,000 - €600,000 that was never guaranteed?

Agreed, blatant sensationalism.

[cheifo]

And here comes the third exodus in 3 years.

2007- Shelbourne
2008- Drogheda United
2009- Bohemians

And this simple statment sums it all up.

[RoversHead]

Homeless and bust...
fcuk it too easy

[WoodquayBoy]

I hate to see all the clowns on here trumpeting the fact that Bohs are now in serious trouble. We are all LOI fans here. This is a bad news story, no magtter what club you support - it is another stick for the rest of the country to beat us with. I am personally very sad - and very angry - at/with Bohs for losing tonight, a win would have done wonders for the league. But this defeat, and what it might possibly mean, well . . . . . .

[hoops1]

Agreed, blatant sensationalism.

Do you think its only 500-600 k?

[RoversHead]

Presumably the title of the original Indo article "Win or Bust for Bohs" was inaccurate from the start - going "bust" was just a good headline and was never a likely consequence of failing to beat Salzburg?

Most poeple - including Bohs Finance Director Chris Brien - seem to accept that exceeding the 65% cap is inevitable and that FAI sanctions, including relegation, will therefore follow.

But is the 65% breach really so cut and dried?

Bohs remain hot favourites to win the league, and the €280,000 prize money that goes with it, and have in Gary Deegan and Brian Murphy players who could potentially attract €150,000 plus in UK transfers.

Add in a possible cup run, wage trimming through free transfers, and other fund raising possibilities, surely it is not impossible to pull in well in excess of €500,000 - €600,000 that was never guaranteed?
you could be on their board the ****e you come out with.

[mypost]

I hate to see all the clowns on here trumpeting the fact that Bohs are now in serious trouble. We are all LOI fans here. This is a bad news story, no magtter what club you support - it is another stick for the rest of the country to beat us with. I am personally very sad - and very angry - at/with Bohs for losing tonight, a win would have done wonders for the league. But this defeat, and what it might possibly mean, well . . . . . .

In normal circumstances, I'd agree with you. Not in this instance.

Regardless of who you support, a win tonight for them would have rewarded a policy of outrageous cheating and blatant financial recklessness, which was allowed to continue no matter how many times they were warned about it. Not to mention how it affected other clubs ability to compete in our league.

We, on the other hand, took our medicine, and built our club up from the other division. And if we are in Europe next year, it will be the result of hard work, not monopoly money.

[Disgrace]

Brian Murphy probably put himself in the shop window tonight and Bohs will sell. That, plus the revenue from tonight and future winnings and gates (friendly with Liverpool etc) I think they'll be safe. They will lose players, and maybe a manager over the next 10 months, but their place in the premier league? No way.. and let's not forget, they'll also have a chance at Champions Lg once again this time next year..

[sonofstan]

We, on the other hand, took our medicine, and built our club up from the other division. And if we are in Europe next year, it will be the result of hard work, not hard cash.

There is more rejoicing in heaven......

The rest of the league might be more willing to congratulate you for your genuine and praiseworthy rebuild of your club if y'all weren't so quick to get in there first. And you do seem rather to forget that you lot were as guilty as any one else and for longer of the things you're happy to accuse us of until you were forced to do the right thing.

[RoversHead]

I hate to see all the clowns on here trumpeting the fact that Bohs are now in serious trouble. We are all LOI fans here. This is a bad news story, no magtter what club you support - it is another stick for the rest of the country to beat us with. I am personally very sad - and very angry - at/with Bohs for losing tonight, a win would have done wonders for the league. But this defeat, and what it might possibly mean, well . . . . . .
Its a lesson that shoulda been learned by the mistakes of others and bad news for Bohs alone and good enough for the Bohs fans who let it happen nobody to blame but themselves .

[Darkglasses]

Does any self-respecting LOI fan ever drink Red Bull again? DG says no...

Lets try to make sure Red Bull's marketing costs them more sales than it bought? Seems like as cruel justice as it was that Bohs lost tonight, regardless of the wisdom/foolishness of their financial moves.