Keane Walks Out On Sunderland

[as_i_say]

nice to see it gives all the Roy Keane haters something to be happy about for a while anyway!!
Maybe Sunderland should give the job to a good manager like Mick McCarthy..... oh wait, how did he do with them again;)

promoted them and relegated them. history may repeat except mick spent £4m on players compared to Roy's £80m:eek:

[Wolfie]

Hard to see what job he'd go to next.

Sam Allardyce?

[Billy-Green]

:rolleyes:You think they'd have stayed up if Reid had been in his current form last season? After the amount of sh1t players he'd bought he was bound to get lucky once.....

Why dont we say he wasnt lucky with reid but rather he was unlucky with the rest

[Jacktheman]

Mick McCarthy had €4m to spend , Keane had €70m i wonder why Mick couldnt keep them up :p

MMC is top of the table on a shoe string budget ye have to hand it to him he is a great Manager unlike mr sulk

[Hibernian]

Very simple he wasn't up to the job , he spent £70 million or what since he was there .

LOSER .:)

and how many champions league medals have you got?

what a plonker

He was not up to the job at Sunderland I will put my hat up there but to call him a loser well thats just daft as hell.

get your head out of the bucket and get a life.

[SunderlandBohs]

promoted them and relegated them. history may repeat except mick spent £4m on players compared to Roy's £80m:eek:
Another very good point. He wasted about 30m on duds. will bhe interesting to see what a top manager can do with that squad. If you look at the facts Mick McCarthy did a better job than Keane. He's to get rid of half his squad and had no money to buy replacements. And he didn't have the backing Keane had.

[Scram]

SPOT THE COMEDIAN !!

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45267000/jpg/_45267043_keane466_2.jpg

Aw bless, he's taken to sucking his thumb!

http://media.monstersandcritics.com/articles/1394794/article_images/tommytiernancolor5photocreditnickhitchcox.jpg

"Who the **** do you think you are, having meetings about me? Mick, you're a liar... you're a ****ing ******. I didn't rate you as a player, I don't rate you as a manager, and I don't rate you as a person. You're a ****ing ****** and you can stick your World Cup up your arse. The only reason I have any dealings with you is that somehow you are the manager of my country! You can stick it up your ********!!!"

ps. the entire Sunderland thing was a Keane conspiracy to bankrupt Niall Quinn.....I kid you not!! :)

[Hibernian]

SPOT THE COMEDIAN !!

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45267000/jpg/_45267043_keane466_2.jpg

Aw bless, he's taken to sucking his thumb!

http://media.monstersandcritics.com/articles/1394794/article_images/tommytiernancolor5photocreditnickhitchcox.jpg

"Who the **** do you think you are, having meetings about me? Mick, you're a liar... you're a ****ing ******. I didn't rate you as a player, I don't rate you as a manager, and I don't rate you as a person. You're a ****ing ****** and you can stick your World Cup up your arse. The only reason I have any dealings with you is that somehow you are the manager of my country! You can stick it up your ********!!!"

ps. the entire Sunderland thing was a Keane conspiracy to bankrupt Niall Quinn.....I kid you not!! :)

We are a great country kick our own while we are down.

No wonder there such s*it support at Croke Park when we have the likes of you still going back 6 years to something that really has sweet FA to do with this.

[gaiscíoch]

Mick McCarthy had €4m to spend , Keane had €70m i wonder why Mick couldnt keep them up :p

MMC is top of the table on a shoe string budget ye have to hand it to him he is a great Manager unlike mr sulk


Particularly interested in this part. I'd like you to go see how many players M Mc C brought in. Along with the fees in the Championship.

[noby]

Hard to see what job he'd go to next.

Sam Allardyce?


What job would he do for Sam Allardyce? Dog walker?

[OwlsFan]

Curbishley will probably be the next manager.

[elroy]

He may have spent alot on not a whole lot, but i think he found it very hard to attract a high calibre of player to Sunderland and I doubt many managers would be able to attract the type of players needed to take Sunderland consistently to the next level.

[Scram]

We are a great country kick our own while we are down.

No wonder there such s*it support at Croke Park when we have the likes of you still going back 6 years to something that really has sweet FA to do with this.

Get over yourself :rolleyes:

[Drumcondra 69er]

Why dont we say he wasnt lucky with reid but rather he was unlucky with the rest

Because frankly that would be b0llox.

[holidaysong]

Support the club that Keane takes the reins at next?

I'd love to see their faces if Keane were ever to land the Rangers job.. :D :eek:

[Billy-Green]

Because frankly that would be b0llox.

So if any manager buys a quality player and that player plays quality, its luck?

[Drumcondra 69er]

Particularly interested in this part. I'd like you to go see how many players M Mc C brought in. Along with the fees in the Championship.

2003/2004

Players in €450,000
Players out €15,250,000

Finished 3rd, beaten on pens in shoot out of play off semi after a shocking decision to allow a Palace equaliser after a foul on the keeper.

2004/2005

Players in €280,000
Players out €0

Romped the Championship

2005/2006

Players in €3,350,000
Players out €225,000

Left with 2/3rds of season gone, team subsequently relegated.

Your call.....

[Drumcondra 69er]

So if any manager buys a quality player and that player plays quality, its luck?

No but if a manager has a track record of buying duds (see squad list for evidence but take Chopra and Halford as two sample cases) at extorinate prices and then manages to finally get a player who improves the team it's not an unreasonable assumption to make.

[smasher]

nice to see it gives all the Roy Keane haters something to be happy about for a while anyway!!
Maybe Sunderland should give the job to a good manager like Mick McCarthy..... oh wait, how did he do with them again;)

M Mc didnt have a buck to spend, keane wasted millions.
Look at Wolves now on a shoestring budget, again.Keane spent loads and still couldnt build a decent team, bought crap and I mean crap.
Walked in Saipan when going got tough and doing so again. Consistent, dont you think? Or maybe the blindingly obvious does no suit,eh?

[Hibernian]

Get over yourself :rolleyes:

says the man who went on a rant eh

[OneRedArmy]

Kudos to whoever moved my thread and altered its title to make it less relevant to the forum it was intended for. Stifling discussion on a message board, you truly know what you're doing.Hilarious that you don't like a bit of your own medicine.

Its karma for all the other threads you've jumped into and added nothing other than inane, WUM-type posts for your own self amusement.

[Noelys Guitar]

When have Sunderland ever been able to sign great players? Never. So Keane did a reasonable job bringing in players like Malbranque and Cisse. I am surprised he resigned as I still believe he has the makings of a good manager. Look at Fergies record in his first 3 years at United. And I can remember Howard Kendall being a couple of minutes away from the sack when Everton snatched a late goal against Norwich in a an FA cup match. Everton went on to win the FA cup/league and cup winners cup. I can see him returning to management in a few years. He could do worse than follow Tony Adam's example and go abroad and learn the ropes.

[shakermaker1982]

I'm with you Hibernian on this one. There are lots of people in Ireland and on this forum that want to see Keane fall flat on his face. Why?

1: WC 2002? He got us there. Without him we wouldn't have been at that particular world cup.
2. He played for Man Utd and was a winner? Lots of Irish Liverpool fans unfortunately....
3. Irish people started to watch Sunderland once he became manager? Who gives a flying f***? It's not his fault the Irish are good at jumping on the bandwagon.
4. Dunphy wrote his book?
5. He's from Cork?
6. He had more money to spend at Sunderland than Mick? Why should that get your knickers in a twist anyway.

[gustavo]

Kudos to whoever moved my thread and altered its title to make it less relevant to the forum it was intended for. Stifling discussion on a message board, you truly know what you're doing.

I moved it because precisely 0 of the 20 plus posts after your opening post, including another one from yourself I might add , had any reference to the Irish players at the club, Had I been "stifling" discussion then surely I would have locked it rather than moved it to its more appropriate forum .

[galwayhoop]

well we could see this coming....

bad manager imho.

smelt like something was going terribly wrong for weeks, publicly questioning the players, questioning their attitude, seemed like their was nothing ever staying in-house which in fairness to Fergie (who he was inevitably compared to) everything usually does.

he spent copious amounts of money on players that never really improved his squad. granted he came up from the championship after a great run but he has been out of his depth in the premier league.

don't know if he is cut out for management but no doubt he will get another shot at it, whether he has the belly for it remains to be seen.

[smasher]

Attitude of people who follow Keane is to be expected, so we must be patient with them.
A person in whom they firmly believed has failed and its hard to take. It will take time for them to heal and when they do we should not say ' I told you so'. They will have reached the point of reality.
Eureka!!

[bennocelt]

He may have spent alot on not a whole lot, but i think he found it very hard to attract a high calibre of player to Sunderland and I doubt many managers would be able to attract the type of players needed to take Sunderland consistently to the next level.


:rolleyes: - its called football management - look at the type of players that Redknapp attracted to Portsmouth - or the gems that A Wenger always unearths

[NeilMcD]

I blame the beard to be honest. I feel that was the real problem and the sooner someone gets to the heart of the matter I think it could be solved. Otherwise they will have a close shave with relegation this year and Gillet make take over next year.

[bennocelt]

I'm with you Hibernian on this one. There are lots of people in Ireland and on this forum that want to see Keane fall flat on his face. Why?

1: WC 2002? He got us there. Without him we wouldn't have been at that particular world cup.
2. He played for Man Utd and was a winner? Lots of Irish Liverpool fans unfortunately....
3. Irish people started to watch Sunderland once he became manager? Who gives a flying f***? It's not his fault the Irish are good at jumping on the bandwagon.
4. Dunphy wrote his book?
5. He's from Cork?
6. He had more money to spend at Sunderland than Mick? Why should that get your knickers in a twist anyway.

Smasher - i am one who is holding my hand up! (but he was to be unquestioned as a player!)

no probs with number 1, or 2, never supported Sunderland, actually like Dunphy despite all his rants, love Cork...................but do have a problem with number 6
Give a manager a shed load of money -70 million and you should expect much better - but its also the players he bought - about 90% of his buys were atrocious - Miller, Mcshane, Richardson, Reid, Chopra, etc etc

[HarpoJoyce]

The burning question is where will all the noveau SundIreland fans go now?

They are plumbing the depths at the moment.
This may help them get through the pain.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4mUmdR69nbM&feature=related



......... He could do worse than follow Tony Adam's example and go abroad and learn the ropes.

Scotland?

[Seano]

I'm with you Hibernian on this one. There are lots of people in Ireland and on this forum that want to see Keane fall flat on his face. Why?

1: WC 2002? He got us there. Without him we wouldn't have been at that particular world cup.
2. He played for Man Utd and was a winner? Lots of Irish Liverpool fans unfortunately....
3. Irish people started to watch Sunderland once he became manager? Who gives a flying f***? It's not his fault the Irish are good at jumping on the bandwagon.
4. Dunphy wrote his book?
5. He's from Cork?
6. He had more money to spend at Sunderland than Mick? Why should that get your knickers in a twist anyway.


WC 2002? He got us there. Without him we wouldn't have been at that particular world cup.

Without Given, Mcateer , Robbie Keane and a few others, we would not have got their either, plus we had an amazing amount of luck in the home games against Portugal, where they ran us off the park for the first half hour and against the Dutch where Given brought down van Nistleroy and made it looked like he slipped. I agree Keane had a great qualifying tournanment, but he didn't get us there single handedly.

[osarusan]

Good luck Roy.

Sad to see any Irish manager go, but he wasn't doing a good enough job, particularly at improving team quality through signings. I think he made the right decision today.

Hopefully he will get a job at a lower level, and learn from some of the mistakes he has made at Sunderland, and maybe we'll see him at a higher level in the future.

I for one wish him well.

[Dr. Ogba]

i think Keane was right in Saipan in all fairness though...

[Cloggs]

did he bring sunderland as far as he could or do people think that he may well have turned things around if he had been given a little more time?he's spent an awful amount of money and doesn't really have all that much to show for it at the end of the day!

[Stuttgart88]

i hear he's taking the Bulgaria job... very good :)

[Pauro 76]

I blame the beard to be honest. I feel that was the real problem and the sooner someone gets to the heart of the matter I think it could be solved. Otherwise they will have a close shave with relegation this year and Gillet make take over next year.

Maybe he could become manager of the Blades? :)

[paul_oshea]

he should have hung around till after christmas but im thinking he felt that they would get worse and didnt want to be fired at that time, rather than now saying he left of his own accord. He wont get back into management again or if he does he will find it very hard, but ill say it will be in a few more years.

[SkStu]

this is already in the world forum.

[SunnySweeney]

At face value, this seems a 'lame weak' move on RK's part.

I have been a *huge* admirer of Keane but this seems to be a case of quitting the moment things got difficult.

He had the budget, the players - he should be be man enough to try and ride this difficult situation out. If you're the big man - who cares what the press (Dunphy etc ) think - be a leader, knuckle down and prove the doubters wrong.

At least give it your best shot and go down knowing you've given it your all. If you don't have the support of the board of directors - hunker down, pull your socks up and make do with what you have.

I don't know the full story - it just seems very, very lame.

I'm so disappointed in Roy Keane today. I really thought he was the business.

"when the going gets rough, the tough get going"

- it appears RMK wasn't so tough after all.

[OwlsFan]

Maybe he could become manager of the Blades?

Best suggestion all day. Not sure they have €80million to spend though, thank God, but it will still be great if he got them in debt;).


I moved it because precisely 0 of the 20 plus posts after your opening post, including another one from yourself

Not true. I referred to the Irish players there :p.

The Keane debate will always go back to the Saipan thing. I won't deny for a minute I hoped he'd fail at Sunderland. I used to travel around the world supporting Ireland with a friend of mine (we knew each other since we were about 10). He was in the Keane camp and refused to go to any more Irish games. I haven't seen him since the Iran game at Lansdowne. It runs that deep in the Irish psyche and nearly all the debate here about his managerial expertise is based on which camp the person was in back in 2002. The fact that he was supported by Dunphy makes it twice as bad. So I just couldn't get in to "he's a good manager/ worse/better manager than Mick" thing. It's just the same old stuff in another guise and do we really want to go there?

Mind you if he went to Wednesday: "Keano, there's only one Keano..."

[Hibernian]

I blame the beard to be honest. I feel that was the real problem and the sooner someone gets to the heart of the matter I think it could be solved. Otherwise they will have a close shave with relegation this year and Gillet make take over next year.

I have heard it all now...Holy God

[Hibernian]

I'm with you Hibernian on this one. There are lots of people in Ireland and on this forum that want to see Keane fall flat on his face. Why?

1: WC 2002? He got us there. Without him we wouldn't have been at that particular world cup.
2. He played for Man Utd and was a winner? Lots of Irish Liverpool fans unfortunately....
3. Irish people started to watch Sunderland once he became manager? Who gives a flying f***? It's not his fault the Irish are good at jumping on the bandwagon.
4. Dunphy wrote his book?
5. He's from Cork?
6. He had more money to spend at Sunderland than Mick? Why should that get your knickers in a twist anyway.

Dont forget he was actually a winner and we love to knock our winners in Ireland

Agree with other points too

[gustavo]

Best suggestion all day. Not sure they have €80million to spend though, thank God, but it will still be great if he got them in debt;).



Not true. I referred to the Irish players there :p.

The Keane debate will always go back to the Saipan thing. I won't deny for a minute I hoped he'd fail at Sunderland. I used to travel around the world supporting Ireland with a friend of mine (we knew each other since we were about 10). He was in the Keane camp and refused to go to any more Irish games. I haven't seen him since the Iran game at Lansdowne. It runs that deep in the Irish psyche and nearly all the debate here about his managerial expertise is based on which camp the person was in back in 2002. The fact that he was supported by Dunphy makes it twice as bad. So I just couldn't get in to "he's a good manager/ worse/better manager than Mick" thing. It's just the same old stuff in another guise and do we really want to go there?

Mind you if he went to Wednesday: "Keano, there's only one Keano..."

Precicely one then :p

I hope he gets back in management soon though I wouldn't fancy being a fan of that club when things are going bad

[corkboy360]

Takes one of the eircom leauge's top players and ends him off too bloody Dundee then shags off :rolleyes:

[Drumcondra 69er]

I'm with you Hibernian on this one. There are lots of people in Ireland and on this forum that want to see Keane fall flat on his face. Why?

1: WC 2002? He got us there. Without him we wouldn't have been at that particular world cup.
2. He played for Man Utd and was a winner? Lots of Irish Liverpool fans unfortunately....
3. Irish people started to watch Sunderland once he became manager? Who gives a flying f***? It's not his fault the Irish are good at jumping on the bandwagon.
4. Dunphy wrote his book?
5. He's from Cork?
6. He had more money to spend at Sunderland than Mick? Why should that get your knickers in a twist anyway.

I've always disliked him since Saipan despite the fact he had some valid gripes I felt he handled it incredibly badly. I've always felt that he acts irrationally when things aren't going his way and that he wouldn't have behaved as he did in Saipan had Man U actually won anything in 01/02. The fact that they hadn't put him into one of his 'dark places' and Saipan pushed him over the edge. I see similarities today, his head was wrecked so he walked away without knuckling down and trying to overcome the difficulties.

As regards your points, Keane was immense in the 02 qualifiers but without input from the likes of McAteer, Robbie Keane, Given and even Ian Harte (joint top scorer) we wouldn't have qualified. The way history has been re-written to make it solely Keane's achievement is nauseating.

I may dislike Man U but loved Denis Irwin, Paul McGrath, Kevin Moran, even Stapleton (not to mention the legend that was Ashley Grimes) when they played for Ireland, club feelings shouldn't come into it. Some people disliked Keane because of the thuggish manner he behaved on the pitch on occasion. Deliberately injuring a player because he'd injured himself trying to kick him previously?? Shameful.

To be honesty the whole Sund-Ireland thing was embarrassing and should have been anathema to any football fan, by all means take a defree of an interest but a club (or country) should always be bigger then one man.

No one takes Dunphy seriously, entertaining as he is.

'Ireland by birth, Cork by the grace of God.' Never got that myself, I'm Irish first and a Dub second.

If you're judging a managers record then their transfer dealings have to be considered, McCarthy got slated for his record and a huge number of Keane's fans revelled in the fact that his Sunderland team struggled. The fact that McCarthy spent about £4m in 3 years and recouped about £15.5m and Keane spenty about £80m and recouped around £8m can't be ignored. Any judgement I've made on KEane's managerial ability has been done solely on his record without being clouded by 2002. His transfer dealing have been abysmal without a doubt.

[superfrank]

Not surprised he's gone, tbh.

He was wasting money. Seriously, how many players did he sign and then leave out in the cold?

I don't think he really knew his best team, big problem for any manager. Also, he never seemed to be able to motivate his players.

I genuinely feel sorry for real Sunderland fans though. They probably had a lot of high hopes when Quinn took over. They went up and stayed up but now they are out 80m and have a lot of average players in their side. Then the going gets tough and they're stuck with a team that's really struggling and it doesn't seem like they can turn it around.

I don't think he'll be without a job for long. There's something about him that convinces people he'll be a good manager.

[micls]

'Ireland by birth, Cork by the grace of God.' Never got that myself, I'm Irish first and a Dub second.


Depends on your point of view. Im Corkonian first, Irish second.

Anyway, he wasted money, paid over the odds for poor players and was always going to pay the price eventually

[John83]

i think Keane was right in Saipan in all fairness though...
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/unknown_exception/gaf/fry-see-what-you-did-there.jpg

[barney]

Couldn't be happier. First time I've ever been delighted to see someone fail and it feels wonderful to see a man, whose blind supporters think is a one- man-defeat-repellent, exposed as the weak minded, throw my toys out of the pram bully that he always was.

The man was a wonderful player, an intelligent man and entertaining to listen to. For all that, he's a c**t. For example:

A cowardly kick out at Haaland because he was having a rubbish game and injured himself in the process.

Tried to end Haaland's career because Haaland justifiably thought Keane was trying it on in that Leeds game. Got sent off with a game poised at 1-1 and incurred a ban at the same time. Hardly the actions of a man who puts winning first.

Elbowed McAteer with a game poised at 1-1 for personal revenge over comments about his book.

Walked out on his country.

Spat the dummy at United when he was no longer up to it.

Walked out on Sunderland when he was exposed as the poor manager he is.

Keane is scum. Hopefully he will disappear for good. Either way, I'm having a few drinks in celebration tonight, I've waited for this for a few years now. :D:D:D

[Greenbod]

Although I doubt Sunderland will get a manager who will do much better than Keane has.

Given $70m to spend, I think quite a few could have done better......but with the players and bank balance Keane has left behind you're probably right.