QuoteSo EG, you are allowed to rubbish another OWCerīs opinion on a "foreign" board when discussing some matter related to NI.
I hadnīt seen that before.
The tabernacle discipline isnīt what it use to be.
we asked them for their opinion and they gave it , all completely relevant to lawrie sanchezOriginally Posted by geysir
Was he crazy!! Yeah , in a very special way , an Irishman.
I slept, and dreamed that life was Beauty;
I woke, and found that life was Duty.
So EG, you are allowed to rubbish another OWCerīs opinion on a "foreign" board when discussing some matter related to NI.
I hadnīt seen that before.
The tabernacle discipline isnīt what it use to be.
Not Brazil and I agree on a number of matters and disagree on others, on this forum and elsewhere. Surprise, surprise, it's neither "allowed" or "disallowed", rather it's just what football fans tend to do.
As for your reference to "tabernacle discipline", I've never been in a tabernacle [sic] in my entire life. In fact, other than the occasional baptism/marriage/funeral, I haven't been in any* place of worship, of any sect or creed, since I was sixteen, so would you like to be a bit more specific as to what exactly you meant by your reference?
* - I tell a lie; when I am on holiday, I occasionally visit cathedrals, mosques, synagogues etc, often disused or converted to museums, but never to partake in a service. Surprise, surprise, it's what tourists tend to do.
Give it a rest for ****s sake.
This is relevant to the national side, as Sanchez is apparently being interviewed for the job, and 2 posters who have first-hand knowledge of one of his spells of management are providing some information.
Yeah I'll throw my support behind the NI lads here, cheers for the information both positive and negative on Sanchez.
He wouldn't be my first choice, but I wouldn't be unhappy with his appointment either.
You donīt do irony very well Osarusan, the athmosphere of OWC concurrance on the Ireland forum being shattered by the outbreak of rubbishing of each others posts.
I'd be underwhelmed by Sanchez. Sure, he'd be a lot better than Stan but I'm holding out for someone with more experience and failing that someone who actually has an affinity for our team.
don't read too much into it. Two posters disagree on Sanchez's abilities. What they do on OWC, or in the "Eligibility" thread is irrelevant in this thread.
i'll agree with you there Stuttgart but if the alternative is El flippin Tel then i'd take Sanchez in a heart beat. However if the alternative was Deschamps or Houllier then i'd go for either of the latter.
I'd actually take Venables over Sanchez.
me too.
Agreed. Don't think Sanchez is anywhere near Venables in terms of coaching ability, experience and knowledge of the game.
I think he did an excellent job for NI but believe that he worked best with under achieving players who wanted to prove a point and did everything he told them. Fortunately, or unforunately depending on how you look at it, the majority of our players have been playing at the top level for the most part and believe themselves to be top players - and therefore i think they'd start questioning his methods from the off whereas they'd have great respect for Venables.
As an aside, last summer i put a bet on Fulham to get relegated cause Sanchez was manager, he was signing NI players and his methods aren't suited to talented players
He's actually got three and a half years highly relevant and recent experience in international football, with no small degree of success
Stan had total affinity, whereas Big Jack had little or none when he took over. If everything else was OK, I doubt whether the affinity of the appointee should really matter too much. Besides, Sanchez actually started his managerial career with Sligo Rovers, where I believe he did OK.
I guess what I'm saying is that whilst there are undoubtedly better candidates out there than LS (around whom there remain some questions), the FAI might have difficulty in attracting them, despite the big salary.
Agree, but there is a clear question mark over TV's commitment and motives for wanting the job (and I'm actually a fan of TV, since his Spurs days!)
Agree again, but isn't that "self-regard" a huge part of the reason behind ROI's underperformance? No doubt TV would massage the egos of the "Big Time Charlies" whilst he got their measure, whereas LS would be much more blunt* - "my way or the highway"
But whether a manager uses carrot or stick with them, if the players can't/won't perform for him, sooner or later they've got to go - regardless of their reputation. Or as Alex Ferguson always says: "What the players must never forget is that I'm not here to please them, they're here to please me!"
* - One of the reasons LS's results were patchy in the beginning was that it took him a few games to find the players to replace those senior players he fell out with early on - McCartney, Lomas, Whitley, Mulryne etc. In the short term it hurt us, but in the long term it was the best thing he could have done. Since ROI have a bigger/better squad, replacing the troublemakers should be an easier/quicker process than with NI.
EG, your response is entirely consistent with the bits you've quoted!.
I'm holding out for someone with more experience: perhaps I should have said more and broader. My preferred candidates to date have been Houllier, Hodgson, Jol and, if it was feasible, Coppell. Hodgson, Houllier & Jol speak for themselves and despite Coppell's lack of international experience, his 20+ years in management speaks for itself. You may have noted that recently I have conceded that I'd prefer Venables over some other candidates.
failing that someone who actually has an affinity for our team: obviously not another total rookie, but if we're to get someone with less than the ideal level of experience I'd prefer it not to be an "outsider". For me Brady would be palatable despite being less than ideal.
For this reason I'm very sceptical about Deschamps for example.
Last edited by Stuttgart88; 17/01/2008 at 3:26 PM.
Another reason for not appointing him is this, would Newcaslte appoint Roy Keane, would Sunderland appoint Kevin Keegan, would Liverpool appoint Alex Ferguson and Man Utd appoint Dalglish or Arsenal appoint Glen Hoddle or Spurs appoint George Graham !!!!!! (sic).
In Trap we trust
Doesn't the same apply to sanchez? If he's not committed to his own country how can he be committed to ours? Motives? A million euros plus bonuses is a nice motive, but what'd happen if another English club job came up?
That might have some relevance if we actually played against them competitively, but as it stands the soonest we could possibly play them is in the playoffs I believe?
If the 3 men believe he's the best man for the job then he should be given it based on their assessment of his ability to do the job, not useless sentiment.
To be honest after what happened at Fulham I really doubt he'd leave us mid-campaign.
Not saying it's impossible, but this is a decent paying management job by any standards, and he'd be foolish to travel down that road again.
What his career needs is some stability to build up his reputation again, and I'm sure he knows that.
[QUOTE=galwayhoop;855656]i can only assume that you must be bitter (or at the very least upset) about his departure Not Brazil!
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Not at all.
Just not as in love with Lawrie as some.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
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