Where does it say that the threat was issued by NI supporters?Originally Posted by SuperDave
yeah, i'm a five year old. live with it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/2208857.stm
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That reminds me of the comment on Eircom league forum by some saying those fans of bohemian who wrecked that pub in Derry are not bohemian fans. Grow a pair of balls and admit to it that the people associated with a particular side of your support for your team. Next you will be saying it was sinners and the IRA, actually I bet that has been said already somewhere.....I think you should withdraw the allegation that NI fans issued death threats against Neil Lennon.
I'm a bloke,I'm an ocker
And I really love your knockers,I'm a labourer by day,
I **** up all me pay,Watching footy on TV,
Just feed me more VB,Just pour my beer,And get my smokes, And go away
Well, from a political point of view, yes of course I would. From a football point of view, no. I don't see why that's odd. I'm only saying that I'd pay more attention to the GFA because you seem to be alluding to the fact that they have no right to consider themselves Irish by saying that they have no 'connections' to Ireland.
If it wasn't made by them, then by who?
a) It was made by Republicans to stop him playing ( even though he had been playing for years already and htey only had a problem then)
b) It was made by republicans to tarnish NI supporters or make out NI supporter were making Death Threats
c) It was made by loyalists who had no interest in football, who just like issuing Death Threats
d) It was made by "people" who have no interest in football in Northern Ireland - and actually are not loyalists or unionists or of "that" persuasion at all
e) It was just made by some randomers.
pre-note, BUT under no circumstances was it made by anyone who is asupporter of the Northern Ireland football team.
The problem with our Northern friends is that they are in denial, until you admit to something and take responsibility things will never really change, just replaced/rebranded/renamed etc.
I'm a bloke,I'm an ocker
And I really love your knockers,I'm a labourer by day,
I **** up all me pay,Watching footy on TV,
Just feed me more VB,Just pour my beer,And get my smokes, And go away
Ah happy memories. Eric young aka Bambi on Ice. Quinner got 2 that night. Great performance.
totally off topic I know.
On topic as i've said before I cannot see the FAI enlisting government help or anybody else to fight this ruling. It will be up to a player to take a case with or without Dermot Ahern's backing.
He didn't say Amhrán na bhFiann represented everyone on the whole island, he said it represents part of the whole island, which it does. Whilst it is solely ROI's anthem and not NI's, nationalists from NI would consider it their anthem, whether you like it or not. GSTQ would not represent them in the slightest. Therefore it does represent the whole island (but, as I said, not everyone in the whole island). As far as I'm concerned he was just trying to indicate what his point was and you're just being petty and looking for an argument. If you want people to agree with everything your saying you shouldn't be coming onto an Irish website (sorry a ROI website, didn't mean to offend).
I think you'll find it's impossible for anyone from Ireland to be british. They may well be subjects of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland but they're not british. Only England, Scotland and Wales make up britain. Hence the 'and' in the full title of the UK.
How did I let that slip, I love to point that out especially to my English friends who to be fair not many get it wrong.....I think you'll find it's impossible for anyone from Ireland to be british. They may well be subjects of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland but they're not british. Only England, Scotland and Wales make up britain. Hence the 'and' in the full title of the UK.
Its not called the United Kingdom of Great Britian and Northern Ireland for no reason!!!
I'm a bloke,I'm an ocker
And I really love your knockers,I'm a labourer by day,
I **** up all me pay,Watching footy on TV,
Just feed me more VB,Just pour my beer,And get my smokes, And go away
The tricolour is a 32 county flag whether you like it or not, it was designed before partition and the colours represent both traditions on the island and peace between them as I'm sure you already know.
Amhrán na bhFiann was also written long before partition and also pertained to the 32 counties. Interestingly enough it was originally written in English and only translated in the 1920's. It certainly represents more then the 26 counties and did so since 1912 when it was first published, although it was being sung for a number of years before that across the entire island long before the border had been concocted.
Nowhere in the article does it state that Northern Ireland fans were behind the despicable death threats made to Neil Lennon.
yeah, i'm a five year old. live with it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/2208857.stm
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The person (s) behind the death threat are unknown - nobody has been charged and brought to court over the incident.
Your claims are spurious - like me claiming that all ROI must be racist because someone unknown issued threats to black members of Brian Kerr's ROI squad...I'm sure you remember that.
In additional, holding up Neil Lennon as the "ace" in the anti Northern Ireland fan pack no longer cuts it.
Neil Lennon's glowing praise for the changes made at Northeren Ireland international matches makes a mockery of that.
You also state that Linfield FC are "one of the most actively bigotted sides in the world".
The playing staff at Windsor Park, at all levels, are cross community - probably the most "mixed" playing staff in Northern Ireland.
You need to get with the times.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
In fairness the date of origin of the flag or the anthem or their initial intentions don't make any difference to who they represent. The Union Jack was initially constructed from a combination of the different flags of the nations of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland to represent the union of the kingdoms but it in no way represents myself an Irishman or my nation even though it's intention is (was) to do so. God Save the King similarly has it's roots in 18th century Europe when Ireland was a Kingdom under the control of that same British monarch whom the song adheres to but I would state again that it doesn't represent me or my country to any degree.
Last edited by youngirish; 31/10/2007 at 5:04 PM.
You what?
I am a "British Citizen" - born, bred and lived all my life in Belfast, Northern Ireland.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
No it's not that complicated. You see Ireland as the region you're from and Britain as your country. Thanks for clearing that up.
I think you'll find that it concerns interference in the running of association affairs (appointments etc.) not a government taking issue with the right to citizens of a country playing for that country. I'd be intrigued to see if you have any previous cases of an assciation being banned etc. because a government takes up matters with FIFA. Also, how much did the British government ply into Wembley? How much are you looking from them for a grant regarding the upkeep of Windsor Park or a move to a new ground. Also sounds like governmental interference, even if it's of a benevolent kind.
Nice spin, as always...but it's the same old b*llocks really. Any thing of interest on the Madeline McCann case?
Thanks to Réiteoir for naming him as Eric Young. Also Pat Van den Haowe. I presume you're gonna say my argument is not valid as I can't be bothered to look up how his name is spelt. I believe there's a few more
It's got everything to do with sovereignty. You started banging on about this and that country handing out caps to all and sundry. These countries can still do that if these players live there for more than two years. This rule favours the rich countries with the strong leagues which doesn't count Ireland amongst them. However, these countries (Qatar being the obvious) do not hand out citizenship to the criminals, the peadophiles, the spongers of people living in the territory/country that they have done so to a few gifted footballers. Ireland gives citizenship to everyone born in the O6C regardless of who they are, and the occupying government of the O6C fully accept and agree to that. That's the difference.
And the country is called the Republic of Ireland just as France is called the Republic of France. There's no difference, and until NI gets independence, I can't see the confusion. Only exception is when football is being played, but this has nothing to do with the validity of Ireland to pick its citizens to play for it.
Well if you were an independent country you'd be able to decide who is and isn't Welsh. That is exactly what the Irish government has done, including as late as 2004 in taking away the automatic right to everyone born in Ireland to be considered a citizen.
Of course it was chucky with a 20p piece.
They are British by ethnicity and nationality, whether we like it or not. The part about the add on is an irrelevance. And as I've said before the people who consider themselves just as much British extends into the 26C. Sadly the British government does not recognise these people as British which is a disgrace IMO.
But equally in this disputed part of the world, there are almost 50% who are Irish, and for many they feel that the NI is a British team which they support or play for as second choice.
This is the cooooooooooooolest footy forum I've ever seen!
You'll have no problem then.
My problem is the haste in which the IFA are leaving Windsor Park.
You mustn't be aware that the IFA have served notice (via their solicitors) of their intention to leave Windsor Park in January 2008.
This haste is ending up with them being brought to the High Court by Linfield FC.
Suffice to say that relationships between Linfield FC and the IFA are, erm, somewhat strained at present.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
What a truly ridiculous statement! Someone suggests that it was one, possibly two, maybe ten NI fans that threatened Neil Lennon - hardly surprising really as he had been booed by a sizeable chunk of NI fans at a previous match, or did they all stop off at WP from release from Magheraberry Prison before going to a UFF meeting - and you compare this with suggesting 'all ROI must be racist because someone unknown issued threats to black members of Brian Kerr's ROI squad'. Maybe it was an Irish fan who threatened the black players - STOP PRESS!!! Ireland might have some racists who also follow football - but when was the last time a black player was booed by Irish fans because of his colour?
This is the cooooooooooooolest footy forum I've ever seen!
Not Brazil, if these fans weren't NI fans then who were they? Did the IFA launch an investigation to ensure that they never set foot in Windsor Park again? Seeing as these people were at the game, I have to assume that they were. Maybe they weren't fans, but there's a good chance they were.
I'm not trying to have a go, I'm just wondering what the IFA did to ensure that a similar situation doesn't occur again.
The fact is, you don't know who it was.Of course it was chucky with a 20p piece.
You have absolutely no evidence whatsoever that it was a Northern Ireland fan or fans.
If you have any evidence whatsoever, I challenge you to post it now.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
And you have absolutely no evidence that it wasn't. I know the argument is usually innocent until proven guilty, but seeing as it occurred at an NI game most people would naturally assume that it was NI fans.
The difference being, of course, that those responsible for the pub attack in Londonderry were caught, put before the courts, and convicted.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
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