Everton and Liverpool discussion

[KildareFan]

Looks like we have one big signing left in us. Hope its fernandes!!

Speaking to the Liverpool Echo, Moyes said:

“I do not have a big enough pool of money at my disposal just to go and throw it about here and there.

“I have got the ability to make one good signing and there is also the facility in place to bring in a couple of loan deals.

“But when I make this signing, I have got to be really sure he will be an improvement on what we have got here. I want to get that main business out of the way before I starting looking at loan deals.”



That's the thing about Moyes, he has to get every transfer spot on. People go on about him being Dithering Davie but when he has so little money, he has to take his time and get it right. For me, he has made one bad signing since he took over, beattie. Davies and Kroldrup obviously didn't work out but when they were sold on we only lost a million on each deal and when you think of the profit that we made on Marcus Bent and Kilbane, they even each other out.

How many of Benitez' signings could be called an unqualified success? Alonso certainly, maybe Reina and I think Agger will prove to be in the long run. But how many have been pure ****e? too many to list here. He would be lucky to have a 50% success rate in the transfer market.

Moyes has brought in cahill, lescott, AJ, arteta, Howard, players who have been outstanding value. If Kenwright would get his finger out and really back the manager, we would really being places. We're just threading water at the moment and I hope if things don't well for us next year, that people direct their anger at Kenwright and not Moyes

[anto1208]

Dont be jealous. You know he's a born red.

Your playing NI, the country?

Yea the country , its to promote the milk cup i guess they didnt think of this rain when they organised it i prefere not to be playing in ireland at all now could end up with some nasty injuries running around in that mud

[anto1208]

Stadium plans from big keith :

Tesco to contribute 50 mill to the cost of the stadium
Council to give the land for free .
(Tesco to pay council 50 mill for the land the council will then use that 50 mil to pay for the stadium )

the rest to be raised from naming rights and selling Goodison .

leaving everton with a State of the art Stadium extra 10mill in transfer funds each year ,and very little debt .

Season ticket holders to be balloted in August to see if they want to move . There is no plan B

Hmmmm while I was going to vote YES im after being swung to the NO side ( no thanks to the idiots at KEIOC ) until I get the following answered


How the flip can you build a state of the art stadium from 65 mill plus naming rights ? whats liverpools costing 270 !!! ?EDIT ( Stadium to cost 75 mill using tesco's contractors they hope to get it done for 50 !!! leaving a cost of 10 or so mill to outfit it to everton )

The stadium will be finished in 2010 so end of first year will be 2011 that’s when this extra 10mill transfer fund will kick in , what happens in between then are we to expect 4 years of the crap we got this summer 4mill transfer kitty ?

Will the stadium be ours or tesco’s ?

Why is there no plan B what the flip have ye been doing the last year and a half ?

Its going to be a no vote even though Goodison is falling down you have to queue for ages to get grub or a beer the jacks are manky . Mainly due to lack of info

[KildareFan]

That's an absolute disgrace from Wyness and that alone is reason to demand his resignation.

How can he ask people to vote on it when he admits that they still don't know how much it is going to cost everton?

Where does this figure of 10m a year extra to spend on players come from? is that just a figure plucked out of the air? If everton want a yes vote, they have to give a detailed breakdown of how the new stadium is going to generate this money.

How is there no plan B? what have they been doing for the last 2 years? How can a CEO of a company as big as Everton admit that they don't have a plan B, it's just staggering.

I think we need to leave Goodison but i don't want to do it when clowns like Wyness and Kenwright are involved. I wouldn't trust them to open a corner shop without making a balls of it.

They are pushing this stadium as everton's only option but it's not, it's Kenwright and Wyness' only option, i'm hoping that a landslide No vote will leave them with no option but to stand down and let somebody who has some sort of clue what they are at go in charge.

[anto1208]

That's an absolute disgrace from Wyness and that alone is reason to demand his resignation.

How can he ask people to vote on it when he admits that they still don't know how much it is going to cost everton?

Where does this figure of 10m a year extra to spend on players come from? is that just a figure plucked out of the air? If everton want a yes vote, they have to give a detailed breakdown of how the new stadium is going to generate this money.

How is there no plan B? what have they been doing for the last 2 years? How can a CEO of a company as big as Everton admit that they don't have a plan B, it's just staggering.

I think we need to leave Goodison but i don't want to do it when clowns like Wyness and Kenwright are involved. I wouldn't trust them to open a corner shop without making a balls of it.

They are pushing this stadium as everton's only option but it's not, it's Kenwright and Wyness' only option, i'm hoping that a landslide No vote will leave them with no option but to stand down and let somebody who has some sort of clue what they are at go in charge.

It prob is the only option though , when Bradley ( from LCC ) said they will not provide Everton with £50 mill worth of land to build on yet he expects us to stay . With the council saying stay and it will cost you 50 mill extra , we have to leave.

The extra money comes from extra revenue 55,000 seater but mainly corporate boxes the corporate boxes at Goodison are rubbish and mainly rented by the players for there families .

Still lots of questions that need answering before ill vote yes .

[reder]

For me, he has made one bad signing since he took over, beattie.

Really, you must be the one and only blue member of the VDM fanclub. Also,we have made a heck of a lot more signings than Everton during Rafa's term, hence there is more of a chance of signing a "dud".

[KildareFan]

This move will define how Everton as a club does for the next 100 years. It's not the only option for everton, it's the only option for kenwright and wyness. It's the easy option for them, Tesco stump up the cash and call the shots and we come crawling behind them. Kenwright and wyness are trying to push this as the only option, either kirby or goodison forever more but i don't think that's true.

I'm not from liverpool so the whole kirby city centre thing isn't as big a deal for me as it is for others but this whole things feels so wrong. The spin and lies and crap coming out of the club at the moment is just disturbing. Don't forget these are the men who lied at the club's AGM regarding the Fortress sports fund when it suited them, they will have no problem lying again.

[reder]

I'm not from liverpool so the whole kirby city centre thing isn't as big a deal for me as it is for others but this whole things feels so wrong.

Well it is a massive issue for any blue from the city. They might as well move to Manchester. As a red, I am dreaming that they move to Kirby. It would be like the ultimate eternal p*** take.

Goodison forever just aint an option. It is genuinely an awful ground by todays premiership standards (wooden seats built on old terraces).

[KildareFan]

Well it is a massive issue for any blue from the city. They might as well move to Manchester. As a red, I am dreaming that they move to Kirby. It would be like the ultimate eternal p*** take.

I understand that but there are everton fans who would vote no to kirby even if we were moving to the best stadium in the world which would be wrong, i'm against the move for more practical reasons, we wouldn't even have own the land that the ground was built on!!

[anto1208]

Well it is a massive issue for any blue from the city. They might as well move to Manchester. As a red, I am dreaming that they move to Kirby. It would be like the ultimate eternal p*** take.

Goodison forever just aint an option. It is genuinely an awful ground by todays premiership standards (wooden seats built on old terraces).

It might be old and falling down but its still nicer than anfield .

It doesnt bother me it seems to only be bothering the people living within walking distance or the ones with bussiness's near by( KEIOC group ) to goodison that are up in arms and at that its only there own selfish reasons they wont get a train out to kirby or there bussiness will suffer .Who cares if we move across an imaginary boundary its not like its the first time ( its not like Anfield was nt built outside the city bounds aswell) so any liverpool fan that does slag us just shows themselves up as not knowing there own clubs history ( that would be a first ).

At this stage the council are screwing us again
Everton put foward plans to build on stanley park there are told no way but liverpool get the go ahead ????, kings dock : that was scupered by the council aswell because they didnt want 40,000 fans in the city centre on sat, yet the same council bend over backwards to let liverpool build on park land . The same council are now saying they want us to stay but are refusing to give us any land to build on .

staying in the city mean forking out 50 mill for the land we will also have to fork out the 100 or so mill the stadium will cost .

So the options are stay in the city in either an old crappy Goodison or go 150 mill into debt building a new one or go to kirby where we will get a brand new stadium for about 10 mill which the naming right should more or less take care off . Its a no brainer

[KildareFan]

So the options are stay in the city in either an old crappy Goodison or go 150 mill into debt building a new one or go to kirby where we will get a brand new stadium for about 10 mill which the naming right should more or less take care off . Its a no brainer

How is it a no brainer? It's 3 weeks to the vote and they haven't shown a single plan for the stadium. If it's going to be such a great stadium, why aren't they showing plans and artists drawings of how what it will look like?

If it was going to be a state of the art world class stadium, it might be a no brainer but what if it's the cheapest stadium possible that turns us into a laughing stock?

Just because we're getting it for next to nothing, doesn't mean we should take it

[anto1208]

How is it a no brainer? It's 3 weeks to the vote and they haven't shown a single plan for the stadium. If it's going to be such a great stadium, why aren't they showing plans and artists drawings of how what it will look like?

If it was going to be a state of the art world class stadium, it might be a no brainer but what if it's the cheapest stadium possible that turns us into a laughing stock?

Just because we're getting it for next to nothing, doesn't mean we should take it

They are releasing full plans this week , there are all ready artist impressions out

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0...name_page.html


It will be a four sided stadium rather then a lifeless bowl it is to be based on this one

http://www.stadt-koeln.de/fifawm2006...ion/index.html


Plunge the club into a massive debt of 150mill +++ ( add our own debt etc your getting closer to 200 mill )

or take this one for basically nothing

yip it is pretty much a no brainer but i will still vote no unless they have answered everythign i need to know and that Everton own the stadium ( i think they will i just want it in black and white )

[anto1208]

Everton wont own the stadium it will be on a 199 year lease hhhmmmmmmm

Am i just going to have to vote again in 200 years

[anto1208]

First look at the new ground i must admit im quite impressed , looks a bit like a birthday cake with all the candles around the top .

Im glad its a 4 sided ground instead of a bowl and there is room to add more seats in the top corners if needs be .

They also seem to be answering all my questions all systems go we are on our way to kirby i think .

http://www.evertonfc.com/club/stadiu...ml?access=8537

[reder]

Its looks like Boro's ground but if you as an evertonian are happy with it then fair enough.

Just 2 quick observations :

- Its a night game, bet its not a european night.

- People are leaving the ground early as you can see, you must be losing at home again!

- The ground looks like its full, it must be derby day or the mancs must be in town.

[anto1208]

Its looks like Boro's ground but if you as an evertonian are happy with it then fair enough.

Just 2 quick observations :

- Its a night game, bet its not a european night.

- People are leaving the ground early as you can see, you must be losing at home again!

- The ground looks like its full, it must be derby day or the mancs must be in town.

Very good

[anto1208]

was nt going to post this untill it was official as it might have gone sour like so many deals involving everton (like the Vogal deal) but Borussia Dortmund has loaned midfielder Steven Pienaar to us for the year with a view to buy .


EDIT : Spoke too soon he is now awaiting a work permit

[superfrank]

was nt going to post this untill it was official as it might have gone sour like so many deals involving everton (like the Vogal deal) but Borussia Dortmund has loaned midfielder Steven Pienaar to us for the year with a view to buy .


EDIT : Spoke too soon he is now awaiting a work permit

He'll probably get it. He's a regular international for South Africa. Good player too, imo.

[SkStu]

says on BBC that hes only had one cap for SA. Is that right?

the lack of signings so far is worrying. Whats going on? Anyone?

so im new to this thread, another Evertonian. Can i get a quick show of hands on the other toffees?

[anto1208]

says on BBC that hes only had one cap for SA. Is that right?

the lack of signings so far is worrying. Whats going on? Anyone?

so im new to this thread, another Evertonian. Can i get a quick show of hands on the other toffees?

here is a little about him from the toffees website

Steven Pienaar has agreed a 12 month loan deal from Borussia Dortmund and will sign subject to a successful application for a work permit, the outcome of which should be known early next week.

The 25-year-old South African international moved to the Bundesliga from Ajax in 2006 and made 25 appearances for Dortmund last term.

He emerged as a hot prospect with Ajax after making the move from the Dutch side's satellitle club, Ajax Cape Town.

He signed a three year deal with Dortmund, taking the number 10 shirt vacated by Arsenal-bound Tomas Rosicky.

He played alongside Everton midfielder Andy van der Meyde during his emergence at Ajax.

The midfielder will add competition to the Blues squad - and should a work permit be forthcoming he would become Everton's second major new arrival of the summer following the signing of Phil Jagielka from Sheffield United.

Looks handy left sided midfielder what we have been crying out for since kevin sheedy , played with VDM too . 2 singings should get Vogal too ( swiss captain holding midfielder ) thats 3 . The rumour now is Smith has agreed to join and will be unveiled just before the stadium ballot as a sweetner , sounds strange that they would keep it a secret untill August !!!

Sickened from poor james Vaughan out for up to 6 months with a disslocated shoulder in a freak challenge V preston ( defender just pulled his arm out of the socket ) was really hoping for big things from him feel so sorry for him he was out for 14 months with a knee injury now this physio said it was the most devestated he has seen a player in 30 years . that will be over 20 months out injured and he just turned 19 this week !!!!