Mayo Football- 2006

**OscarBravo** · 07/09/2006, 12:15 PM

The biggest problem with the sixteen player rule is that there is nothing to stop a club signing eight players for the A team who won't play all year. That way they have only 8 actual A team players and the other 8 can move up and down. I think this is what Manulla B seem to have been doing.
The old rules were that you signed 12 players as A for the year. The rest could be B. However upon playing five A team games, either starting or as a sub, a B team player automatically became an A team player.
This led to problems with B team players just filling in on odd days when A players are injured. When the A team players come back the B team players wouldn't get games but had played too many games to go back to B team and were therefore left with no football.
I think the current system would be fine if clubs didn't abuse it but it is never going to be the case so it has to be changed. It would be extremely interesting to see what list of players are actually signed for Manulla A. You could see a few forty somethings in there!

**The Don** · 07/09/2006, 1:16 PM

Originally Posted by Fair Play

I still think that the answer might be to increase the numbers to 20,

How would this solve anything?

**mossy** · 07/09/2006, 1:30 PM

Could I apologise if the inference given was that one man was responsible for this abomination as I presume that he could not forsee clubs listing Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck in their A squad. However a mistake has been made and it would be great if it was acknowledged as such but I doubt that will happen somehow. A table of suggestions or various options being considered before the AGM would also be a step in the right direction.
As regards intelligent delegates or otherwise it has long been my assertion that clubs send in these very same Mickey Mouse's to the meetings to avoid the fine !!!
Mettings are also few and far between and the MAFL is not exactly overladed with members - working or otherwise.

**Bestie** · 07/09/2006, 4:24 PM

As Mossy says the MAFL is not overladen with members, so how would any complicated system involving A team players be monitored and controlled? We do not want to go back to the old days when clubs were deducted large numbers of points during mid season. It is time for your suggestions lads.

**sinabhuil** · 07/09/2006, 5:28 PM

Could I dare suggest that A and B Teams should be treated as seperate clubs. Why should A teams be given access to 40 to 60 players when smaller clubs have to do with what they have. This would stop bigger clubs signing loads of players and giving them experience in the B (C) teams. Players would think twice about going to a club if they had to sit on the bench most of the time. Is it time for a reserve league? Just suggestions. Don't eat me.

**renovater** · 07/09/2006, 9:25 PM

Originally Posted by Fair Play

I think that is a reasonable point regarding the Under 21 League, and the disruption it has caused to the Super league, and possibly the Premier Division. I suppose there is no perfect solution, given that both leagues are played during the Summer months. I am sure that the Mayo League are trying to develop the game, and I feel that an Under 21 squad committed to U-21 games only, would be an answer, but that was fully rejected by the clubs. It will need serious debate for next season.
As regards the comment on the B teams playing A team players, I must agree that it is somewhat farcical. I think it is unfair to criticize an individual for making that decision. I was present at the AGM where the clubs made the decision to allow this to happen. In actual fact there was very little debate, and I suppose that one should remember that it is clubs that abuse the situation, and not any individual who is involved in the league. Maybe what is needed is for the number of named A team players to be increased to 18 or 20 at the start of the season, but your overall point is correct.

Have to agree with you there is no perfect solution to the U-21 because both
including our leagues run almost at the same time.
How ever the league main committment is to promote and foster Junior Football for which they the L.M.C. are charged with
as a part of our rules.
any involvment of eircome league must come 2nd.
regards to our players who are registered with clubs form part of what we as junior football consider in promoting and fostering our game.
If an under 21 league interfers with this then the league who is backing such an act should reconsider its own postition as if fails to promote the game that they are charged with.
you mention A/B this appears to causing more problems because some clubs are not playing in the sprirt of the game.
the rules were changed because it was agreed there were to many rules.
what we need to do is insist that clubs have 18-20 players on the A-team
who are playing with that team not shadow players which some clubs have.
One needs to question why B team players are playing week in week out with the A -team explaintions need to be explain why this is happening.
its about time the league sat up and explain why one club seems to play its
B games one time and its A TEAM AT ANOTHER!
Other ie, refix its B-Team and A- team were not put out together like other clubs where.

**renovater** · 07/09/2006, 9:28 PM

Originally Posted by Fair Play

A club is required to list 16 A team players at the start of the season. The rest of the players in that club can play with either the A or B teams. No named A team player can play for the B team. I think that a player can transfer from the A team to the B team.

the word is regrade not transfer.
as this does not effect the player if he should transfer after.

**renovater** · 07/09/2006, 9:33 PM

Originally Posted by Harpsbear

I've raised this at the Bombers and I havent got a definitive, I expected that like Dublin City pulling out of the Eircom League all results involving them were null and void. Like they never existed. I've since established with Mayo League this is the case which puts Ballyvary Blue Bombers i.e us in a relegation dogfight on 22 points I think. It threathens our very security for next season because Ballyvary Blue Bombers B are in Division 2 and means we can have only one team competing next season.

Lacken after pulling out of the league dont keep any points. All results and points accrued are cleared.

As a Ballyvary Blue Bombers 'B' player does that mean the games against Swinford B and Urlaur Ud are my last for a few seasons. If so I resent Lackens decision to pull out whatever their reasons. It has cost us the ability to field an A and B team for another season.

Brendan

very simple max points awarded is 6 so if you won you are awarded 3 if you loss both games you 6pts if drawn 1 you get 5
the point is the team is considered not have played in the league when it has with drawn.so if you hadn,t played them you get 6pts
Hope that helps

**renovater** · 07/09/2006, 9:46 PM

Originally Posted by Bestie

As Mossy says the MAFL is not overladen with members, so how would any complicated system involving A team players be monitored and controlled? We do not want to go back to the old days when clubs were deducted large numbers of points during mid season. It is time for your suggestions lads.

Its not true to say that clubs could be deducted large number of points.
what was done in the old days as you put it was incorrect.
What should have happened now and in the passed is that you can only deducted for the first offence not offences that have been repeated, as it has not been brought to the attention of the club.
I dont think its problem to monitor clubs as it wasn't a problem in the pasted.
regards to the numbers not involved in the League need to be address by that league and should come up with the answers to why poeple don't want work with the excisting members.
One for the next meeting with your delegates when you decide to hold a meeting with them.

**renovater** · 07/09/2006, 9:53 PM

Originally Posted by sinabhuil

Could I dare suggest that A and B Teams should be treated as seperate clubs. Why should A teams be given access to 40 to 60 players when smaller clubs have to do with what they have. This would stop bigger clubs signing loads of players and giving them experience in the B (C) teams. Players would think twice about going to a club if they had to sit on the bench most of the time. Is it time for a reserve league? Just suggestions. Don't eat me.

Well done Sina you got it right they should be seperate and not given an addvantage over smaller clubs.they want to play with there a/b then they should regrade.
Cut out the messing that is going on at the moment.
as for the reserve League I sujest we don't go there as that causes more problems than A/B TEAMS as it did in the passed.

**Bestie** · 07/09/2006, 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by renovater

Its not true to say that clubs could be deducted large number of points.
what was done in the old days as you put it was incorrect.
What should have happened now and in the passed is that you can only deducted for the first offence not offences that have been repeated, as it has not been brought to the attention of the club.
I dont think its problem to monitor clubs as it wasn't a problem in the pasted.
regards to the numbers not involved in the League need to be address by that league and should come up with the answers to why poeple don't want work with the excisting members.
One for the next meeting with your delegates when you decide to hold a meeting with them.

Tell that to Ballyglass and Manulla B when the "witch hunt" was in train some seasons ago. It has taken you a long time for you to come around to that type of thinking. By the way, I am not on the league to have anything to do with calling a delegates meeting......just offering my views and opinions the same as you are.

**short_frank** · 08/09/2006, 1:50 AM

To me the answer is simple (maybe too simplistic). Any club running an A and B team should name their squad as clubs with only one team does. There is no crossover unless there is an official transfer. The difference is that, these clubs with A and B teams would be allowed mid season transfers between their teams. Each player would be allowed only one transfer per season. As it stands now any club with only one team has to struggle on if their is a player shortage (injuries, holidays) but big clubs running more than one team have an unfair advantage by being able to pull players back and forth especially when there are important games. When we need players mid season we have to go find and sign them, why can't the bigger clubs do this? Is it another case of the league being run by and for a select number of clubs?
We had an expierience of this a couple of years ago when we beat a B team handsomly in the first leg of a cup but in the second leg we faced what effectivly was 70% of their super league team and only scraped through on the odd goal. This is the situation that has to stop or we will never be operating on a level playing field. (pardon the pun)

**The Don** · 08/09/2006, 8:16 AM

Originally Posted by short_frank

We had an expierience of this a couple of years ago when we beat a B team handsomly in the first leg of a cup but in the second leg we faced what effectivly was 70% of their super league team and only scraped through on the odd goal. This is the situation that has to stop or we will never be operating on a level playing field. (pardon the pun)

This couldnt happen as all their players would be cup tied!! I think we will have to think about reverting back to the old 5 game rule ie if you play 5 A team games you automatically become an a team player.

**mossy** · 08/09/2006, 8:38 AM

Sorry to have brought this whole thing up really. But can we agree on a few things
A. It is not working Now ?
B. Was it better with the old 5 Rule ?
C. Is different Squads with or without transfer window too strict ?
I always thought that the rule should revolve around the question of whether you played for the A team in it's last Game(s) ie You cannot play for your B team if you have played in any of the last Two A team games. This will allow players to play B if they are dropped from A or injured and will stop the Sat. evening A match followed by the B team Sun Morning crap that is going on now.
Disadvantages: Players reluctant to play A ?. Difficult for MAFL to monitor ?Although any club who can't know if Mickey Mouse played in the last Two A matches should be deducted all their points anyway for sheer lack of organisation.
Opinions Please !!!!

**short_frank** · 08/09/2006, 8:48 PM

Originally Posted by The Don

This couldnt happen as all their players would be cup tied!! I think we will have to think about reverting back to the old 5 game rule ie if you play 5 A team games you automatically become an a team player.

Sorry Don it did. Maybe not legally and that would obviously have been a bad example but I was at an A game a few weeks later waiting for the B team to play us in the league after and I saw their A team.

C. Is different Squads with or without transfer window too strict ?

Why is different squads too strict after all every other club in the league has to operate like that.
The problem with the 5 game rule is how hard would it be to monitor it. I am sure the league registrar would have a complaint.

**renovater** · 10/09/2006, 6:15 PM

Originally Posted by Bestie

Tell that to Ballyglass and Manulla B when the "witch hunt" was in train some seasons ago. It has taken you a long time for you to come around to that type of thinking. By the way, I am not on the league to have anything to do with calling a delegates meeting......just offering my views and opinions the same as you are.

I think you right about one thing mistakes were made but they were the decissions at the time.
I am not interested if you serve on the league, all I am concerned with that I just offer my opinions.
I don't intend to get into a slaging match with regards who serves were.
All I am interested in that the league serves all clubs with out favour.

**renovater** · 10/09/2006, 6:23 PM

Originally Posted by short_frank

To me the answer is simple (maybe too simplistic). Any club running an A and B team should name their squad as clubs with only one team does. There is no crossover unless there is an official transfer. The difference is that, these clubs with A and B teams would be allowed mid season transfers between their teams. Each player would be allowed only one transfer per season. As it stands now any club with only one team has to struggle on if their is a player shortage (injuries, holidays) but big clubs running more than one team have an unfair advantage by being able to pull players back and forth especially when there are important games. When we need players mid season we have to go find and sign them, why can't the bigger clubs do this? Is it another case of the league being run by and for a select number of clubs?
We had an expierience of this a couple of years ago when we beat a B team handsomly in the first leg of a cup but in the second leg we faced what effectivly was 70% of their super league team and only scraped through on the odd goal. This is the situation that has to stop or we will never be operating on a level playing field. (pardon the pun)

I think you are thinking on the same lines as I hinted earier seperate teams.
If a player wants to regrade he simply regrades.
another words no player may assisted the other team without regrading upto 31st july. thats the easy rule to manage and fair all round.

**swinfordfc** · 10/09/2006, 7:46 PM

hey renovater,

i see Bangor Hibs gain promotion to premier league and won the divisional cup. i did say they have a good season and you didn't think so. have faith

**Spot Kick** · 10/09/2006, 8:14 PM

As a new kid on the block, I would like to look at football matters on the field. I was a spectator at todays game in Milebush between Castlebar Celtic and Crossmolina. How Crossmolina were not two or three up at half time is beyond me. I thought they played some great football, and were really unlucky. Celtic did very well in the second half, and probaly deserved their win in the end. There is a good report on the Mayo website.

**swift** · 11/09/2006, 6:26 PM

Just saw this on the Limerick site
they didn't take a training session, they met with Stephen Kenny and his staff to go through the Limerick team, strengths, weakness etc......
Tommy Lynch is interim coach at the moment, someone to take training as the lads were a bit fed up of Danny's efforts!, a few people were interviewed for the job last week, Mike Kerley and Gavin Dykes among them
this on the Limerick site