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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangball View Post
    For everyone wheeling out the "We could still qualify" guff - what happens if we do qualify? Are we happy to see our team travel half way across the world and watch them under perform in Brazil? Whats the point in qualifying if we're not going to compete?
    In other words trying is the first step towards failure.... why do anything as there is always a risk of failure

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangball View Post
    For everyone wheeling out the "We could still qualify" guff - what happens if we do qualify? Are we happy to see our team travel half way across the world and watch them under perform in Brazil? Whats the point in qualifying if we're not going to compete? With Trap in charge we'd go across and we'd have to sit and watch while he makes the same redundant team selections and "tactical decisions". He needs to go.

    The team needs new ideas and a new perspective. Trap isn't going to provide them. The debate about who should be the one to provide them is going to be interesting though. I personally favour McDermott.
    Hopefully, we won't be drawn with Brazil, Spain and Argentina in our group. No doubt if we were, Brian McDermott, the ex-Reading manager with one of the worst defensive records in the Premiership against the better sides, would soon sort them out!
    Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peadar1987 View Post
    Words fail me whenever I hear the "what's the point in qualifying if we're not going to win" crap.

    I want Ireland to win every game, and qualify for every tournament. As should every actual supporter of the team.
    The sad fact is we have a manager who doesn't want to win every game, and if we qualify it would be on the basis that we would go there to win every game and have a realistic (or even a remote) chance of actually doing that. With Trapp we don't!

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    Quote Originally Posted by third policeman View Post
    The sad fact is we have a manager who doesn't want to win every game, and if we qualify it would be on the basis that we would go there to win every game and have a realistic (or even a remote) chance of actually doing that. With Trapp we don't!
    I'm sure Trap does want us to win every game, he just disagrees with you on the best way to do it.

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    We are going nowhere with Trap but Trap won't be going anywhere, until we are mathematically out of the running. It's pointless looking at which managers are available to come in now.

    The current Iceland boss, Lagerback, is an outstanding candidate, a safe bet on a sane salary, buckets of experience and tactically astute. He can coach a squad in the intricacies of intl football, select the players to play a game with emphasis on players retaining the ball and passing to feet. He can manage a team during a game to change the flow and isn't afraid to make the big fundamental game defining change at half time.
    He's available in november unless he can win the group, which actually is not out of the question. Make the provisional contract now and save our team from a banal list of overpaid English league based, homeless managers.

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    The most depressing thing about all this is that we're still not able to effectively change our game plan during the game. We play with two banks of four and once teams figure out how to exploit the space in between we're effectively lost. Oddly, Walters and Sammon had the sense to combat this problem during the second half by slotting into midfield to even up the numbers, but then Trap inexplicably moved Walters up top and put Sammon into the target man role, effectively stopping the good work both had been doing and eliminating the tactical changes the players had initiated to successful shore up the midfield. It was bizarre to watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cfdh_edmundo View Post
    In other words trying is the first step towards failure.... why do anything as there is always a risk of failure
    Ha ha yeah....just do nothing, that way nobody gets hurt
    Folding my way into the big money!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cfdh_edmundo View Post
    In other words trying is the first step towards failure.... why do anything as there is always a risk of failure
    Those exact words are Trap's pre-match pep talks I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geysir View Post
    We are going nowhere with Trap but Trap won't be going anywhere, until we are mathematically out of the running. It's pointless looking at which managers are available to come in now.

    The current Iceland boss, Lagerback, is an outstanding candidate, a safe bet on a sane salary, buckets of experience and tactically astute. He can coach a squad in the intricacies of intl football, select the players to play a game with emphasis on players retaining the ball and passing to feet. He can manage a team during a game to change the flow and isn't afraid to make the big fundamental game defining change at half time.
    He's available in november unless he can win the group, which actually is not out of the question. Make the provisional contract now and save our team from a banal list of overpaid English league based, homeless managers.
    Not to mention Co Adriaanse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeLorean View Post
    Not to mention qualification itself is a fantastic achievement. It's nice to have ideas above our station and all that but we are a small country and generally our potential is fairly limited.
    In the space of nine months we've put in the worst performance in the history of the European Championships and suffered the greatest ever home loss in the history of the Irish football team.

    Excuse me for getting ideas above our station, but that's just not good enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brine3 View Post
    In the space of nine months we've put in the worst performance in the history of the European Championships and suffered the greatest ever home loss in the history of the Irish football team.
    I'm still glad we qualified.

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    I'm not. Well from a football perspective. It was fairly (& literally) pointless.

    Visits to hospitals aside, had a great time otherwise though, especially in Torun...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy View Post
    I'm not. Well from a football perspective. It was fairly (& literally) pointless.
    I don't think so. Success breeds success, and qualifying is definitely a success of sorts. It would have been great to have done better but it would have been far worse not to have been there at all. We needed it after Paris as well I think. Plus, psychologically it's definitely a good thing that we have qualified as recently as 2012...the clock was starting to tick louder when we had to think back as far as 2002. Even just for our status and general stats, the more Euros and WC's we qualify for the better.

    Quote Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy View Post
    Visits to hospitals aside, had a great time otherwise though, especially in Torun...
    We were there briefly too, got absolutely soaked half way across that really long bridge...nowhere to run or hide!

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    Quote Originally Posted by brine3 View Post
    i am irish-born irish, but have lived outside of ireland since 1986, and as such i can relate to those irish who are born outside of ireland. I find your comments that these people are somehow less irish to be offensive.
    potm!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeLorean View Post
    We'd surely be in with somebody like Egypt or Saudi Arabia like previously and may even have a chance to reach the knock-outs.
    Funnily enough, I was just looking at Asian qualification last night and the Saudis don't appear to be the AFC "powerhouse" they once were. They didn't even make it through to the fourth round/final group stage of qualification. Uzbekistan actually look like hot favourites to qualify from Asia this time round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cfdh
    In other words trying is the first step towards failure.... why do anything as there is always a risk of failure
    DID YOU NOTICE A SIGN OUTSIDE MY HOUSE...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyInvincible View Post
    Funnily enough, I was just looking at Asian qualification last night and the Saudis don't appear to be the AFC "powerhouse" they once were. They didn't even make it through to the fourth round/final group stage of qualification. Uzbekistan actually look like hot favourites to qualify from Asia this time round.
    And the Australians who have qualified easily in the past through Asia, struggled at home against Oman. Oman actually lead 2-0 but the Aussies scored 2 for a draw. The Oman blokes are particularly skilful as they decided years ago to adopt Brazil as a role model. My heart bleeds for the Australians!

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    Typical Dunphy stuff, but I do think he has a point about Trap not appreciating Ireland's football tradition.


    http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/inter...uld-be-sacked/

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    Quote Originally Posted by gastric View Post
    Typical Dunphy stuff, but I do think he has a point about Trap not appreciating Ireland's football tradition.


    http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/inter...uld-be-sacked/
    the managers i have known...

    eoin hand term ridiculed by dunphy
    charlton term ridiculed by dunphy
    mccarthy term ridiculed by dunphy
    kerr term initially welcomed by dunphy (mainly to have a pop at mccarthy) but then ridiculed
    staunton term ridiculed by dunphy
    trap term initially welcomed but now ridiculed

    how far do we have to go back to find this Irish football tradition that Dunphy mourns?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gastric View Post
    Typical Dunphy stuff, but I do think he has a point about Trap not appreciating Ireland's football tradition.


    http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/inter...uld-be-sacked/
    this is the same Dunphy who swore he'd never go to another league of Ireland game after leaving Shamrock Rovers?

    to be perfectly honest, isn't there a positive in not appreciating Ireland's football traditions?

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