Not unless "You can't lose 6-1 at home" is explicitly written into his contract.Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar
On extratime.ie he says he'll stay until there are no positives left. Damn you Andy Keogh!
Then Tuesday may well be his last game because on current form I think the Faroes at home will fancy taking a point off us at least.
The media aren't the greatest and a lot of them seem to be following their own agenda, I'll give you that, but delusional fans? You seem to be happy with the current regime and regularly take issue with the likes of me who say we haven't performed on any meaningful occasion since late 2009. You value results over performance, but performance leads to results and results have been muck recently. What sort of fan do you think is delusional?
My aims for Ireland are realistic: not to collapse like a minnow against top sides and to give mid-ranking teams a competitive game, all of this in competitive fixtures, when it really matters. We haven't been reaching that marker for 3 years now. We've been looking worse than we actually are for a while now, punching below our weight. I'm not hoodwinked by qualification and by beating Estonia. I'm not satisfied with qualification if we offer nothing when we get to a tournament. For what it's worth, I would rate Kerr's two campaigns as better than the previous Euro campaign in terms of results relative to opposition, and that's not setting the bar particularly high.
Recent tournaments would suggest otherwise, but that's neither here nor there. There are more important things to be discussed.
I really wish people would cop themselves on. The problem isn't the manager. We could have had Messi and Ronaldo out there and we still wouldn't have had a chance against Germany.
I think u might have got the analogy wrong there dude. Its meant to be 'we could have had mourinho etc.... obviously if we had messi and ronaldo we would have had a chance against germany unless the manager was trapattoni whould would've only played 1 of them!
Thank you for this post. It's good to know I'm not the only one who sees the same things you list. Great post.
I see, the great posts are the ones that agree with your vision
One of the most bizarre posts on here in a long time.
FAI are too ****ed financially to pay off the c€1.5m left on his contract. Trap is too stubborn to go. This could be a long one.
"If you don't work harder I'll pull you off at halftime,"
“Crikey, at Manchester City all we get is an orange and a cup of tea,"
He said he will not resign even if we get beaten on Tuesday. This is all about getting his payoff in full.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...i-3258506.html
The end is in sight. The mood of foot.ie is a good indicator. Once 90% of the international forum posters wants you gone your on borrowed time. I'd say it was 50/50 after Euro 2012.
He just needs to lose the majority of the dressing room & Delaney will have to act.
That ship has sailed too surely ? I mean is a dressing room minus so many players available for selection likely to be a happy one still ? Is a team who have begun conceding in the manner Ireland have of late not already collectively tuned out of Traps verbal meanderings? I think we have been privy to only some of the player/manager fallout, as I posted somewhere before. That dressing room is a mess for a while now.
Delaney gave this contract and its tough for him to come out of this looking good politically after such a financial and personal misjudgment. So he's fudging. If a senior player or two were to tell the truth, it would change/hasten things maybe.
I think he has totally lost the dressing room. Delaney appears very quiet and I haven't read about him saying that Trap has his support publicly. It appears that Delaney is waiting for Trap to make the decision, which won't happen. I think this could linger on until March. Alternatively, we could get through Tuesday and then try and get a new manager in, who will have at least one, but maybe two friendlies under his belt, before the games in March.
I went to the game with my 82 year old dad - a man who has played football and coached football to a decent standard and has given up thousands of hours of his time to coaching young lads and girls, even long in to his 70's. I have watched him talk depressingly about how the FAI suits wouldn't listen to guys like him and their ideas for change. He was preaching about kids playing in smaller goals and with 6/7 side 20 or 30 years ago. On Friday, we took our season ticket seats at the very top of the West Upper and I watched as he struggled to make it to the seats. He has recently had 2 very bad vertigo attacks, but nothing was going to stop him from watching his beloved Ireland and to also see a fantastic German team. Towards the end of the game, he turned to me and said that he hoped we are awful in the Faroe's game, so that Trap would leave. He was close to tears. I suppose when you get to his age and love football, you don't think what will Ireland be like in 10 years time....you just are living for each day. My father, even in the darkest days would never have wanted Ireland to play badly. When Trap and the FAI lose supporters like him, then you know things need to change.
I hope we win on Tuesday and if you asked me I would rather us win by 5 or 6 with fast paced German type football, then win 2-1 with a late goal after a horrendous performance. No matter how he win (if we do), there will be a few lads backing Trap. Some will point to Sweden winning there 2-1 and Austria drawing in Kazakhstan. Good luck to you lads. I admire your loyalty, but I despair at your naivety. In some ways, your blind loyalty is part of the problem. Ireland will never change if we set our standards so low that regular trashings by admittedly brilliant teams become acceptable, even in Dublin or if we point to poor results by other teams. All on sites like this, or on YBIG are here because we care about the national team. We have different opinions, but we all care. After the Euro's, I was torn between Trap staying or going. No I cannot for the life of me fathom how anybody would support him. The most annoying thing is that Trap won't play his best 11. There again, you wonder has he even seen Wilson play at Stoke, or has he made the trip to see Hoolahan and maybe speak with Pilkington at Carrow Road. Has he gone to the Hawthorns and seen Long rip very good defenders a new one. I doubt it. We are not Spain, we are Ireland. We need to maximise every little bit of talent that we have at our disposal and not alienate half the team.
Ireland does not have the world class players we used to. However, we have mostly decent enough premiership players, who should form the basis of a decent team. One poster talked about some of Sweden's team and it's players and rightly said that it isn't on the whole much better than ours, bar Ibrahimovic. We are a mid-ranking decent European type team i.e a country that should be challenging for qualification and be able to give every team a game, home or away. However, we are now sliding towards not just mediocrity, but minnow like status if we can accept the performances of late.
What we need is a disciplined manager who commands respect, who is obsessive enough to follow the club progress of every Irish player, who plays organised, modern, technical football. And who is at the stage of their career where an international job is interesting. And who doesn't cost the Earth. And who speaks good English.
Doesn't exist, you say?
Co Adriaanse is out of a job.
This man took Willem II (who? exactly) to the Champions League and AZ Alkmaar to the UEFA Cup semi-finals. He is the saviour of the underdogs and refuses to let small teams roll over. He is exactly the manager we need.
Last edited by brine3; 14/10/2012 at 2:09 PM.
Is there anyone left here who wants Trap still in charge in November? And who can seriously make a case for what he can do for us with the future in mind (2013, 2014 and beyond)?
Mr Trapattoni has not lost the dressing room, he still knows where it is!
I'd say the players are still 100% with him and Marco.
Some of the players who aren't being picked have only themselves to blame in my opinion.
They should stop bleating to the media and be accountable for their part in not being selected.
If you turn up when you feel like it, then you can't expect to play.
Loyalty works both ways.
I'm backing the Boys in Green, are you?
In Trap we trust!
Well the Trap keeps picking you Sean so your bound to want him to stay!
Mypost and Owlsfan would still be loyal to the Trap at a guess. I've not seen them on here since Friday night, probably heading to the Faroes as I type this but I know they've defended him in the past.
Last edited by shakermaker1982; 14/10/2012 at 6:20 PM.
Who are they supposed to be?
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