Why is it probable? It's every bit as probable that he didn't make any racist remark. Zayed could have misheard what was said, he could have made it up totally - we just don't know. The only two people who know the truth is Zayed himself and the player he's accusing. Speculating about probabilities and so on is pointless.Originally Posted by born2bwild
Appears Kenny is the one who made it public. Zayed hasn't said a single thing to the media from what I've seen. The complaint has been made through the proper channels and is now being investigated.
Clearly Kenny has made some comment on it, but your obsession with the meedja is a bit weird - do you really think this wouldn't have come out anyway? The quality of journalism in Ireland may be faltering but there are a few who do actually do their job. And, besides, it's important complaints of this nature are thoroughly investigated in a transparent fashion.
Maybe it could've been kept wrapped a little longer, but these things invariably come out and it doesn't make a whole heap of difference when. Far more important is how the FAI et al react. Any bad PR caused by it will be alleviated by swift and decisive action by the authorities.
Every league has occasional race issues. And anyone with an ounce of sense will understand that. The rest can jump.
Last edited by SwanVsDalton; 15/06/2011 at 12:49 PM.
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I see that Shams were quick enough to get their press release out defending their player. Yet they still have not issued a statement apologising for the actions of their supporters in Richmond Park after the Cup semi replay last year. Some of those who run Shams are still in denial over that.
I'm not surprised that this has happened. I've no idea who the player in question is but I've narrowed it down to one or two in my own mind.
This has been done to death.
The difference between abusing someone of being a culchie or a junkie etc and abusing someone of their racial ethnicity is that racial ethnicity has produced some of the worst descrimination the world has seen. It has been used the world over to subjugate and brutalise whole peoples, that is the difference, and in my eyes quite a noticeable difference.
As for the "keep it in house" brigade, your a disgrace, something as socially thorny as racism should be tackled head on and in full public view, not just swept under the carpet.
And as for Mc Guineass for what he said he is a disgrace and I never wanted him at our club and still dont, I think a club should have principles and that neanderthal evidently doesnt.
Whether this proves to be accurate or not remains to be seen, lambasting Zayed and rubbishing his claims because he is media savy is ridiculous until we have some genuine findings, not that that will ever happen if its left to the FAI.
I work in an environment where racist remarks are made occasionally. They are dealt with very severely. In an environment where everyone knows it's wrong that's the only way to deal with it.
I don't think I'm 'obsessed' with the media. I am suspicious of them; good news is no news and bad news can never be bad enough so putting this into the public arena can only have one outcome: bad publicity for the LOI. There's nothing 'weird' about being concerned about the public image of the LOI; it's basic common sense.
I agree with you - the FAI's reaction is crucial now. It should be managed so that it becomes a good news story.
By the way, it's not clear from your link that Kenny was the source for the incident on Monday: "It subsequently emerged through Derry manager Stephen Kenny in post match interviews Zayed had also been racially abused by sections of the home crowd during last Friday’s match". Kenny is cited here only as the source of the incident in Inchicore
I don't think this needs to be bashed out in public. Neither do I think that it should be swept under the carpet. There should be formal inquiries and sanctions on players and clubs who are found to be guilty of making racist remarks.
Of course, but what I mean is you seem particularly interested in how the news broke. I don't think it matters - it would've broke eventually regardless, and the PR hit would've been the same. Could've been worse, actually, if it broke later and nothing had been done.
Sorry wrong link - was reading both the Irish Times and Indo this morning and got mixed up. Here it is.
"Derry manager Stephen Kenny made the issue public after the game, but said the player himself didn't want to talk about the incident."
Unclear what incident they're referring to, but it seems to me the Rovers complaint broke post game and Kenny made comment of the Pats one while he was on it. Seems clear Zayed was sought for comment but refused.
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Well Kenny was losing the rag at the match big time. Thanks for that link - what an article - brings up the McGuinness story, quotes like this "He has recounted several incidents in his blog, in which he recalled being called "a black b*****d", "a Muslim" and a "shoe bomber" on separate occasions during his career" lovely story. This is why I'm obsessed with the media - **** all about the really great game of ball that took place in Richmond park last week or for that matter the high quality of passing football played by rovers in the first twenty five minutes the other night or the tactical battle in the second half.
Why should this have broken anyway? It's non-event. In the heat of the game someone said something offensive and it should be dealt with accordingly.
Are you seriously saying a complaint of racial abuse is a non-event? I might need to lie down...
Last edited by SwanVsDalton; 15/06/2011 at 1:18 PM.
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I don't think clubs should be mentioned without any actual proof
I meant it should be a non-event as far as the media are concerned - by and large they don't care if the league lives or dies - it's a non-event because it is not a common occurrence, in my experience. As soon as the media gets hold of it it's put into an article like the one you linked to and it starts to look like there's a problem with racism in the LOI. There isn't a problem; that's why I'm saying it's a non-event.
As an internal matter for the FAI and the league it is far from a non-event. If true, it's very serious and there should be serious punishment dished out to clubs or players who are found guilty.
Boco was offered an apology and it was accepted. If you cant move on thats your problem, no-one elses, and has nothing to do with the club.
Manager: Fergal, have you your boots with ya?
Fergal: Ya, I have them here.
Manager: Ah good stuff, well give them to this man so, he forgot his!
it would be so refreshing to just once come on here and read a rovers supporters say something along the lines that I hope this allegation is not true but if it is the player must leave the club instead of runnig to the ramparts to man the guns everytime somebody says anything unsavoury that may have happened due to there players/supporters etc.
either way this is not good news because if its true then shame on the player (not the Club) and if its not true then shame on the boy crying wolf.
I wish i did not know then what I dont know now
Just because it's not widespread or a huge problem doesn't make it a non-event. Racism isn't widespread in the EPL either, but it's big news when a player reports it and rightly taken seriously. And the EPL has far more racism problems than the LOI.
I think you're overstating how much damage this story will do. Whoever uses this story as a stick to beat the league with are the kind of Mansenalpool jersey wearing EPL barstooling braindeads who long ago made up their mind on the LOI. Anyone with a bit of sense knows racism isn't a huge problem in the LOI. So it's far more important every complaint gets the right attention, than minimising whatever PR damage that might occur.
Don't see how it could be avoided. If the story's going to come out, then so will the clubs involved. If the players (and Rovers) are proved innocent, then no problem - Zayed gets all the flak and everything goes back to normal.
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I'm sure most Rovers fans would be thinking that but why should he have to leave the club when a good suspension is the norm? Also, sadly a lot of people on here and elsewhere want this to be true(of course que the 'typical Rovers arrogance' etc) because it it Shamrock Rovers. For example why didn't you include Pats in that comment instead of just Rovers?
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This was one of the reasons Boco didn't resign some people then spread rumours it was about money. He never publicly accepted any apology.
Just because he didnt publicly accept it dosent mean he didnt accept it. He still stuck around and trained with the club for 3 weeks, with McGuinness too, and also said he had no problem with McG coming to the club. And as for the money thing, Boco was a money grabber plain and simple, everyone knows that.
Back on point, heard a name of player supposedly involved and Id just say, if its true, Im not suprised.
Manager: Fergal, have you your boots with ya?
Fergal: Ya, I have them here.
Manager: Ah good stuff, well give them to this man so, he forgot his!
I really don't think anyone playing in Tallaght has ever been on the receiving end of racist abuse. This thread should be locked as SRFC are not only the biggest group of angles you'll ever meet but also Ireland's model club.
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