The Derry City thread - Derry sign first four players

**Hulsey** · 09/11/2009, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by L.T.F.C.

if your employer asked you to do something underhanded, would you put your job in jeopardy in this economic climate?

In a nutshell yes they should have. They could have decided to not sign the illegal contracts and signed for another club who may not have offered them as much, but at least it would have been legal. If they weren't paying tax on the 2nd contracts then they are going to end up in trouble. Hope for the players sakes that they were

**pineapple stu** · 09/11/2009, 10:39 AM

You'd wonder would none of them at least have checked this with the PFAI before signing.

**Mr_Parker** · 09/11/2009, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by Derry

Can anyone tell me why would the directors of Derry City voluntarily say they had 20 players on secondary contracts. What would be their reason for saying so?

I'm guessing on this one, but maybe they divided the reported 200k owed over 8 weeks to get the weekly wage bill on one hand and then on the other took the 20 contracts the FAI had and added them togther and when they compared them there was a gap?

**dcfcsteve** · 09/11/2009, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by WoodquayBoy

Fair enough lads, just playing Devil's Advocate (how hot was Connie Nielsen in the nip in that film btw?!?!?! Lars Ulrich is one lucky sod). My point is, Derry fans don't want to go down the IL route . . . but what happens if they have no choice?

Here's a crazy idea.

How's about we worry about that if and when the event arises, eh ?

Please don't go down the EG route of putting yourself on repeat and asking a speculative question ad nauseum.

Let's all just move on from the 'what if' game and come back to it if and when it becomes a proposal.

Simples.

**Magicme** · 09/11/2009, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by refjohn

I am not an expert on bankruptcy laws and they are different in UK. But does being on board of a bankrupt Limited Company not prevent you from being on board of another? Several members of Derry's board own their businesses so if this is true I can see why they are fighting tooth and nail to keep Wellvan and DCFC afloat.

I would say there are also worries about the implications if they are found guilty of fraud. That would not only impact on Derry City FC but on the individuals involved.

Feel sorry for them because even if they have done something wrong, they did so due to their love of Derry City FC and its heartbreaking to know that some very good footballing people may be lost to our league. Only Derry City really know what went on.

**RoversHead** · 09/11/2009, 11:36 AM

Im amazed at the new found credibility being attributed to the FAI over this issue.No matter what the alleged crime it was a kangaroo court,the speed and tenacity shown by the FAI in this case begs belief when compared to their unwillingness to give even a scant look at the books elsewhere.One club ignores the 65% rule completely and will be rewarded with 250,000 euro to cover it up while another club (dont even start me on Cork)Derry City are turfed out of the league and not paid their prize money because of contract overlapping

**leo120408** · 09/11/2009, 11:47 AM

As a Derry City fan _ I dont think the FAI have much wrong to be fair - our chairman has been lying to us fans over a lot of stuff for the last few months.

I am disappointed he is threatening court action ( which is a joke - as how will we be able to afford it !) when he should be on his knees begging John Delaney to allow us in the first division.

We have been in the wrong and have to face the consequences - they admitted to the FAI last week about the dual contracts now they seem to be backtracking and looking very stupid in the process.

**Steve Bruce** · 09/11/2009, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

Here's a crazy idea.

How's about we worry about that if and when the event arises, eh ?

Please don't go down the EG route of putting yourself on repeat and asking a speculative question ad nauseum.

Let's all just move on from the 'what if' game and come back to it if and when it becomes a proposal.

Simples.

Couldn't put that better myself. Whilst I have asked the question in the past, I'm not overly concerned one way or another. The IL has stability as it stands and has existed long than most other leagues in the world, so either way we'll continue as we have done

**Mr_Parker** · 09/11/2009, 12:17 PM

Has anyone got a link to the Participation Agreement refered to by the FAI statement?

**RoversHead** · 09/11/2009, 12:19 PM

Im not defending the DCFC board and only when the FAI show the same speed and tenacity dealing with the other cheats in the league will I afford them any credibility.

**derm** · 09/11/2009, 12:33 PM

Truly gutted for the fans. The FAI really have to introduce rules whereby any owner/board member who presides over serious licensing & tax breaches and/or illegal activities should be banned from being an owner/board member of any club ever again. The punishments and negative publicity is always focused on the club, its staff and fans.

On a brighter note here's to an exciting A Championship with ourselves, Derry and Ramblers ... anyone else wanna join ? (Is there a smilie that both laughs and cries?)

**dortie** · 09/11/2009, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by leo120408

I am disappointed he is threatening court action ( which is a joke - as how will we be able to afford it !) when he should be on his knees begging John Delaney to allow us in the first division.

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Lets see the evidence first, our solicitor would not entertain this if he seen anything substantial from the FAI. Get it all out in court, if there is adequate evidence then i am sure the FAI can supply the court of law. If not ....then thats another story.

**pineapple stu** · 09/11/2009, 12:36 PM

Derry threads merged as the two were going at the same time, which seemed a bit pointless.

**Mr_Parker** · 09/11/2009, 12:41 PM

Just reading through the FAI rule book it appears astonishing that they should state that Derry do not have recourse to an appeal. I say this without having had sight of the Participation Agreement.

**jinxy lilywhite** · 09/11/2009, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by Magicme

I would say there are also worries about the implications if they are found guilty of fraud. That would not only impact on Derry City FC but on the individuals involved.

Feel sorry for them because even if they have done something wrong, they did so due to their love of Derry City FC and its heartbreaking to know that some very good footballing people may be lost to our league. Only Derry City really know what went on.

I know what you are saying Magicme but in my eyes I think that makes it worse. If the board of DCFC loved it then why would they cheat and kill it.

I was very suprised with the reaction of their board and my first reaction was that if they can afford legal action north or south then why couldn't they pay their players the 8 wks due to them.

My deepest condolences goes out to the DCFC fans who will soon be left to pick up the pieces and hopefully we'll see you back in oriel sooner rather than later.

**derm** · 09/11/2009, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

Just reading through the FAI rule book it appears astonishing that they should state that Derry do not have recourse to an appeal. I say this without having had sight of the Participation Agreement.

That seems strange to me as well. If there's any truth to the Derry's board's statement then it should be heard at an appeal sitting, not in the media and courts. Even if there is no truth an appeals process should be available to avoid a situation where the FAI can fake some evidence and throw out a club - I'm not saying that's what happened or could happen but the process should be transparent and leave no need for either party to argue it out in the public domain.

**Bluebeard** · 09/11/2009, 1:09 PM

So Board of Derry City are suing the FAI over a breach of contract.

And the players of Derry City are to blame for allowing themselves to be talked into a secondary contract in order to keep their wages in a time of economic downturn. You have to pity the Derry City board, bullied into such a point that they have no choice but to acquiesce to their players acquiesence.

Meanwhile, Bohemians are given a reprieve in order to win the league, because if they didn't win the league, they wouldn't have been in a position to earn a reprieve.

It is becoming clear too that they have been operating some kind of Wage-cap trading scheme with Cork City, whereby 65% of joint turnover can be spent between them on wages - Cork have the big turnover, while Bohemians often pay a wage, so it works out.

Cork City it seems have been investigating all manner of Wage-cap schemes. Most exciting to date is the scheme where they are investigating if it is possible to pay big money salaries to some players next year, based on the fact that they didn't bother paying some players anything at all a year or two ago. I don't think that Couglan's idea of reclassifying Electricity as an employee was such an inspired idea though.

And most unexpectedly of all, Shamrock Rovers are the good guys.

This just gets better and better with each passing day.

The WWE have nothing on the League of Ireland now. Certainly, the writers for the League of Ireland hit a new high this year, and are surely the very acme of their field in Sports Opera. The only quibble I would have with them is that we need to improve the FAI Divas - Rhona Daly simply isn't up to the task at this level...

**passerrby** · 09/11/2009, 1:30 PM

If derry had their contract terminated before the official league ended then they are not entitled to any prize monies in fact would owe the fai the monies paid to them at the start and middle of the season (€40,000 i think).
If on the other hand they have completed the league and were removed after the end of the league the may have a case for prize monies.
I would guess that would derry need this cash to mount any planned legal action.

**Longfordian** · 09/11/2009, 1:44 PM

I think Derry or more accurately their directors have little option but to try the legal route if they're to avoid action under the Companies Acts but I'm struggling to think of any occasions where the courts have overruled the FAI. In the meantime whats being done about their whopping great debts and the winding up order on its way from Dungannon?. There's not likely to be much goodwill or enthusiasm towards any fundraising activities either. Their very existence was in obvious and serious danger before Saturday despite what their chairman is saying.

**marinobohs** · 09/11/2009, 2:22 PM

Originally Posted by Bluebeard

So Board of Derry City are suing the FAI over a breach of contract.

And the players of Derry City are to blame for allowing themselves to be talked into a secondary contract in order to keep their wages in a time of economic downturn. You have to pity the Derry City board, bullied into such a point that they have no choice but to acquiesce to their players acquiesence.

Meanwhile, Bohemians are given a reprieve in order to win the league, because if they didn't win the league, they wouldn't have been in a position to earn a reprieve.

It is becoming clear too that they have been operating some kind of Wage-cap trading scheme with Cork City, whereby 65% of joint turnover can be spent between them on wages - Cork have the big turnover, while Bohemians often pay a wage, so it works out.

Cork City it seems have been investigating all manner of Wage-cap schemes. Most exciting to date is the scheme where they are investigating if it is possible to pay big money salaries to some players next year, based on the fact that they didn't bother paying some players anything at all a year or two ago. I don't think that Couglan's idea of reclassifying Electricity as an employee was such an inspired idea though.

And most unexpectedly of all, Shamrock Rovers are the good guys.

This just gets better and better with each passing day.

The WWE have nothing on the League of Ireland now. Certainly, the writers for the League of Ireland hit a new high this year, and are surely the very acme of their field in Sports Opera. The only quibble I would have with them is that we need to improve the FAI Divas - Rhona Daly simply isn't up to the task at this level...

Please, please, please stop talking crap about Bohs. I know it P**ses people off that we will be WITHIN the rules but get over it !

silly made up accusations are a waste of time (and don't make up for losing a cup final).