I thoguth Ealing Green made some good points. Just because Derry fans don't want to go down the IL route does not mean it won't happen - I''m sure none of them wanted to be run by a bunch of cheating scumbags, and look what happened.
Just because ye don't agree with the man doesn't mean he is wrong
"Billy Corgan, Smashing Pumpkins."
"Homer Simpson, smiling politely."
WQB,Originally Posted by WoodquayBoy
He hasn't a clue what he is talking about.
Has he been to a DCFC AGM where it was discussed, what is his back up on it. As I said before, it is unrequieted love.
Yes, it does.
The vast, vast majority of fans don't want it. It's not an option. We'll never, ever go back to them.
Fair enough lads, just playing Devil's Advocate (how hot was Connie Nielsen in the nip in that film btw?!?!?! Lars Ulrich is one lucky sod). My point is, Derry fans don't want to go down the IL route . . . but what happens if they have no choice?
"Billy Corgan, Smashing Pumpkins."
"Homer Simpson, smiling politely."
Two men and a drum?
Aside from the actually Derry City Club itself and its woes is there to be any sort of ban or fine put on players who had double contracts? I would think there must be some sort of ban placed on these players who knowingly cheated.
Aon, dó, trí, bhí mé i mo luí, thit mé den leaba, he! he! he!
if your employer asked you to do something underhanded, would you put your job in jeopardy in this economic climate?
Sporting F*ck All!
I'm barred from working at present so I can't answer that question. Anyway no-one ever offered me extra money ever so its a stupid question.
Aon, dó, trí, bhí mé i mo luí, thit mé den leaba, he! he! he!
From Irish Times 09 Nov 2009
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...258392628.html
Derry threaten court action
EMMET MALONE Soccer correspondent
DERRY CITY will this morning seek payment of money the club insists it is owed by the FAI for finishing fourth in the league this season, with club officials warning yesterday that, if it is not paid immediately, it will go to court to prevent any of the Premier Division’s other clubs from being paid.
The club was told at the meeting on Saturday in Abbotstown, where it was expelled from the league, that it was not due the €60,000 prize for finishing fourth as it was no longer a member of the league. But club solicitor Dessie Doherty will now press for immediate payment in what could be just the first instalment of a battle sparked by the disciplinary measure taken against City by the association over the weekend.
In an emotional meeting with journalists after Saturday’s hearing, club chairman Pat McDaid described the proceedings as “a kangaroo court” which had reached a “predetermined conclusion”.
Claiming that the club had been refused access to some of the documentary evidence upon which the FAI had relied in reaching its decision, McDaid said City had “not received any natural justice”.
He said the club would challenge the decision in any way open to it in the courts, north or south of the Border. And he maintained that the second contract held by a player (Darren Quigley) which lies at the heart of the issue was merely a temporary measure intended to provide some security for both parties until a proper, longer-term agreement could be signed.
“We’re talking about a contract that was in place for less than two weeks,” he said. “It was a holding contract until a proper registration could be put in place – and the FAI have seen fit to put Derry City out of football for that.”
City claim that, as that contract predates the official “standard player’s contract” which contains a clause invalidating any pre-existing agreements, the offending document was invalid from the time the “proper” one was signed.
The case against them centres on claims that all of the club’s players had such second contracts and that the terms of these side deals were being honoured until money at the club ran out at the end of the summer.
It is alleged that at a meeting between four FAI officials and two from City last Wednesday, the charges were effectively admitted, but this appears to have been disputed by the club on Saturday.
According to City’s version of events, they were invited to the meeting at the weekend which they were not in any way led to believe might adjudicate on the case. It was, they claim, only after the meeting had started that it began to become apparent that it was “a hearing”.
Doherty, a prominent solicitor in the city who has been involved in many high-profile northern criminal cases, the long-running Bloody Sunday inquiry and even played a part in the defence of Saddam Hussein, said afterwards that he had never been treated so “abominably”.
FAI chief executive John Delaney said that he had “felt sick” as the decision to expel Derry from the league had been taken. But he insisted that, on the evidence before it, the association had had no choice but to punish the club for serious breaches of the rules.
City officials, he said, had “freely admitted that over 20 players had been given contracts which differed substantially and materially with the ones that were held in private. It is disappointing to hear a denial of that now, because it is just not true.”
The club were told on Saturday that if they cooperated fully in relation to the charges from this point on then the association would meet it this week to discuss at what level below the premier league City might be allowed to re-enter the league next season.
Things may not now go quite that smoothly, as the issue of prize money could lead to a wider challenge of the sanctions imposed on the basis of a claim that there was an absence of fair procedures.
Stephen McGuiness, the general secretary of the PFAI, said yesterday he expected the association to pursue all of the players involved, and suggested the union would not represent the players in disciplinary proceedings because of the nature of the offences.
After a string of impressive performances that helped his side towards top-flight safety and a place in the FAI Cup final, Sligo Rovers striker Rafaelle Cretaro has been named the Soccer Writers’ Association of Ireland Player of the Month for October.
Cretaro scored five times during the month.
“It’s gone well, better than I would have expected,” Cretaro said. “If you had told me at the start of the season that I’d score 21 goals, I would have laughed at you, but my game has gone from strength to strength.”
Last edited by Paddyfield; 09/11/2009 at 8:35 AM.
Nobody knows us, we don't care
Unless Derry have found someone to bail out Wellvan to the tune of £750k, taking this action actively reduces our chance of putting a team on the pitch next season.
I suppose the need to clear peoples names outweighs the greater good......
If there is indeed substantial evidence of 2nd contracts with over 20 players then it will be interesting to see the banning orders dished out to each and every player who signed them knowing they were illegal.Unless Derry have found someone to bail out Wellvan to the tune of £750k, taking this action actively reduces our chance of putting a team on the pitch next season.
I suppose the need to clear peoples names outweighs the greater good......
If the FAI have the evidence then in actual fact the legal actions will implicate the entire playing staff rather than clear names.
The only good thing out of it will be the truth, as everything will come out in the open.
Go lí cúnna ifrinn do thóin bheagmhaitheasach
Stephen McGuinness' comments on not representing the players was interesting.
In any other walk of life a union generally defends employees whatever the allegation. Would back up the accusations that the PFAI are not just physically close to the FAI.
The thing that strikes me about the noise coming from the Wellvan board is that they have very little choice but to do what they are doing. There could be serious legal implications for them personally if they cannot refute the allegations that have been made, especially if tax has not been paid on the secondary contracts. Also, there's probably a natural inclination to save face. The complaints to date seem to be about process rather than the substance. I may have missed it, but they haven't come out and unequivocally said that there were no secondary contracts.
Given that they have been blaming players, media etc for the issues for some time now, it's little surprise that it's the FAI's turn now.
Last edited by Mr A; 09/11/2009 at 10:18 AM.
#NeverStopNotGivingUp
Can anyone tell me why would the directors of Derry City voluntarily say they had 20 players on secondary contracts. What would be their reason for saying so?
Because they knew the FAI knew and they were hoping for leniency?
#NeverStopNotGivingUp
A union would represent their members, not necessarily defend. The way I heard him on Radio 1 yesterday, was they wouldn't defend the actions. I'd be surprised if they could wash their hands of them completely as suggested - they were/ are affiliated to SIPTU, and if they use the same rule book I don't see how they could do that. However, nothing would surprise me with the PFAI...
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
Personally i can't see how the FAI would kick Derry out of the League WITHOUT having stone wall evidence that Derry were giving players 2 contracts to sign. That would lead me to say the following... Derry have some ****ing cheek looking for prize money for 4th place and lost revenue's for Europe next season.
IMO, and as i have said befiore, i really feel sorry for the fans having to go through this, but as a club they deserve what has happened.
One thing i really had to laugh at was McDaid saying the FAI had put Derry's very existance in doubt and that there was a serious agenda going on somewhere....
I have tremendous sympathy for all DCFC Supporters over what has happened but I feel that the Board of DCFC have let them down and any sympathy for the club will be eroded if they dont face up to the facts and take their punishment.
Pat McDaid looks like someone who will try and face this down rather than trying to work on a solution that will mean a future for LOI soccer un Derry.
We are the Galway Boys Stand up and make some noise"
I am not an expert on bankruptcy laws and they are different in UK. But does being on board of a bankrupt Limited Company not prevent you from being on board of another? Several members of Derry's board own their businesses so if this is true I can see why they are fighting tooth and nail to keep Wellvan and DCFC afloat.
McDaid labels FAI treatment "shameful and disgusting" following expulsion
An expected one hour meeting in the FAI Headquarters in Abbottstown on Saturday ran for nearly four and a half hours, before the decision to expel Derry City from League of Ireland football was announced.
Immediately following the ruling, a devastated and emotional Derry City chairman, Pat McDaid, described the treatment of their club as “absolutely shameful and disgusting”.
More: http://www.extratime.ie/newsdesk/articles/2764/
I’m not pedantic...I’m merely overly concerned with minute details.
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