Derry City applying for Grant Aid

[Candystripe]

Disingenuous. I have not said that Dublin must not fund DCFC - that is for them to decide. What I am objecting to is DCFC considering they are entitled to two sets of Govt. funding which other teams in Ireland cannot access. Further, I object to DCFC receiving Stormont money (not IFA money) when they do not play in the IL.

Back to your Shams analogy: how would ROI taxpayers feel if they 50% funded SRFC (along with SDCC), Shams built a shiny new stadium and went off and played in a League in another jurisdiction?

Do the Leinster, Munster and Connaght rugby teams play in a European league and have also got funding from the R.O.I. government?

I think you'll find they have and no-one ever complains.

Having read this whole thread, it seems that you EG have not grasped that Derry City FC do play in N.I......pay their VAT and taxes like every other team based in N.I albeit we do pay a lot more as 17.5% of an average gate of over 3,000 raises more than eight of the bottom average att teams in the IL premier division put together!

Your own club for instance were out numbered 4 to 1 at home against us at our recent SSC game at the Oval. That says a lot for how great the IL is that you want us to came back to.

Back to the why Derry are able to apply to Stormont for 1/3 funding. As I said we pay VAT and taxes in NORTHERN IRELAND........are based in NORTHERN IRELAND........play in NORTHERN IRELAND so why shouldn't we try and get funding from the NORTHERN IRELAND government???????????

Because we are an F.A.I member we are also able to apply to them for funding which is frankly none of your buisness as F.A.I. funding has nothing to do with your domestic league or wont affect it.

So to sum it up..........Derry applied for £10 mil, 5 from their government and 5 from their sports governing body. Whats the problem with that?

Having read the ILS forum on this subject it has to be seen to be believed!

[passerrby]

I dont care what derry may get however if it was to eat up all the capitol budget for soccer in the roi for that year i would be very miffed.I wondor how much support Derry get from the fai for funding if they are moving to the new ail with platinum one , none i would guess

[Candystripe]

I dont care what derry may get however if it was to eat up all the capitol budget for soccer in the roi for that year i would be very miffed.I wondor how much support Derry get from the fai for funding if they are moving to the new ail with platinum one , none i would guess

So you either care or you dont care....make your mind up. If you dont care why did you vote no?

[passerrby]

Read my post I dont care if you get Money I do however care if if comes from the tiny budget soccer will be getting and as for why i voted no I suspect that thats where it would come from.

[dcfcsteve]

Every other NI football club pays its taxes to Stormont. They also play in the IL. DCFC do not.

Why should membership of the Irish league be a pre-requisite to funding from Stormont ? :confused: Seriously - this is the most bonkers of some frankly bonkers points you've made...

As a previous poster asked - should Ulster GAA clubs now join the Irish league if they want Stormont financial assistance ? After all - they're affiliated directly to a sporting body out-with of Northern Ireland, even though they're based in the north and pay taxes in the north....

[dcfcsteve]

As I also said elesewhere, I would in principle accept a combination of FAI and Stormont funding as an alternative to IFA and Dublin funding.

Why thank you kindly, good sir.

I commend your magnanimity ; your charity ; your indefatigability...

I'm off to phone Brandywell properties and tell them we're alright - Ealing Green has declared what he is happy to accept in the negotiations....

[dcfcsteve]

Correct me if wrong, but apart from recent political tensions, wasn't the general area (like Waterside) already known by that name in the 17th century?

Holy fcuk...... :o

You don't even deserve an answer to that. Lie down and take a rest....

[dcfcsteve]

I have never qustioned the substance of the application, rather the principle whereby DCFC should be uniquely privileged to receive double-funding, inc. money from Stormont funds which must inevitably deprive NI clubs who are still playing in the IL.

Firstly - what part of the very clear fact that it's not double-funding are you struggling to grasp? A third plus a third is not 'times two'

Secondly - bar an absurd belief that Stormont funding should only be accessed through Irish league membership, your entire paper-thin arguement is based on a perceived fear that funding for the DCFC project will deprive other IL clubs of money. How do you know this will this be so ? How do you know that any Stormont cash for this project won't come from the Regeneration or Regional Development pots ? Or other post ? What evidence is there that it will not only come entirely from the 'sporting' pot in general - but more specifically, from the part of the pot that is clearly marked 'Funding for Irish League club stadium developments, and nothing else.....' ?

Finally - if half the energy you've put into clinging to an absurd line in an arguement on this thread had instead been diverted into harranging the Northern authorities to provide mopre fundinng for Irish league clubs, you'd probably have raised most of the additional £5m were requestign already, and thereby saved your precious £8m that we probably won't be accessing anyway. But I guess ts easier for IL clubs/fans to complain about someone else benefitting rather than do something to improve their own posiiton...

[geysir]

You can't be serious. Derry are looking for 10 million to help build new facilities. You can't see how that gives them an advantage over other clubs who don't get 10 million quid to build facilities?
.....
Despite what you light like to believe, this situation is by no means unique to Derry City.
Any Club is entitled to apply for funding once they fulfill the criteria.
What advantage do you think Derry have over other clubs?
If another club's members want to get off their ásses and submit a structured plan then they won't be at a disadvantage, will they?

Do you object to all clubs applying for funding because it gives them an unfair advantage should they receive that funding over clubs that have not applied for funding?
The normal applic. for funding looks for 2/3 grants.

You object to Derry receiving a small 1/3 of funding from the Republic.
Some NI people object to Derry receiving a small 1/3 of funding from the NIA.
What is your alternative for Derry City? because by your logic they are fxcked for funding, your objections to their funding are just as valid as a Northerners objection. Therefore by your logic they don't deserve any funding from any place.

[osarusan]

Firstly - what part of the very clear fact that it's not double-funding are you struggling to grasp? A third plus a third is not 'times two'

It's obvious that when EG talks about double-funding, he's talking about getting funds from 2 different governments from the same project. He's not talking about percentages of funding.

Steve, you didn't answered my question - if the money is to come from the FAI coffers, as you say it is, has that money been earmarked specifically for football-related development, or will it be used for other parts of the regeneration project?

[jebus]

Steve, you didn't answered my question - if the money is to come from the FAI coffers, as you say it is, has that money been earmarked specifically for football-related development, or will it be used for other parts of the regeneration project?

In fairness I doubt he'll be able to answer that question 100% accurately

[Candystripe]

Right.....just had a few drinks tonight so I'm in a rant mood.

Derry have recieved only €85,000 in 21 years because they dont own the Brandywell.

The worst clubs who had the worst run boards...who have since gone bust have had more funding than Derry City.

I'm not even going to talk about Coleraine FC and the funding they got.

Nor am I going to talk about over £450,000 funding that Glentoran..........yes..... EG's club has got in the past 14 years through diferent funding through the national lottery etc, while because of the situation Derry have been in, as they dont own their own ground were not able to apply for these grants/funds etc,

So because Derry having looked through every avenue they could......... saw that we could improve our local stadium and at the same time also improve the area where our stadium is located should now forget about it because an English based Glentoran fan disagree's wit5h us.

EG maybe your club should also set the wheels in motion and in five years time...like us you's might have a chance of improving east Belfast and getting a stadium to suit your needs.

I also see you havn't replied to my earlier post.......maybe it's because you have grasped what Derry are trying to do.............that is get a decent stadium west of the Bann..the 1st and only one.....and try and regenerate the area we play in.

I'm probably banging my head against a brick wall trying to reason with you EG as you still dont seem to grasp what every football fan in Ireland .north and south should want to get for our local football.that is ......improve our stadiums and engourage more people to come and watch our games.

It still feels like it's hitting my head against a brick wall so unless you come up and answer the questions you have avoided for 150 posts plus EG, dont bother.

As for you fellow ELOI fans who voted NO........... can you at least come on here and say why you dont think another ELOI team who in 22 years have only had €85k of funding.................. and believe me that is about 7% of what most top clubs have had in the same time...shouldn't be eligiable then just hit "post Quick Reply" and give us one reason?

Thankyou in advance.

[osarusan]

Therefore by your logic they don't deserve any funding from any place.
I've already stated repeatedly that Derry are entitled to funding for a regeneration project from the Northern Irish executive, because they are located under their jurisdiction and pay their taxes to the NI executive. EalingGreen feels they are not entitled, but I feel they are.
I've also already stated repeatedly that Derry are entitled to funds for the FAI for football development, just like any other club under the FAI's jurisdiction, regardless of Derry's geographical location.

So, I've already stated that there are 2 places they are entitled to funding from. That should be obvious to anybody not out to whinge.

It seems to me that Derry are saying they should get funding from the NI executive because the project is all about regeneration. If that is true, I'm not convinced about whether it's in the FAI's brief to be partly funding a regeneration project in Derry city.

[Candystripe]

I've already stated repeatedly that Derry are entitled to funding for a regeneration project from the Northern Irish executive, because they are located under their jurisdiction and pay their taxes to the NI executive. EalingGreen feels they are not entitled, but I feel they are.
I've also already stated repeatedly that Derry are entitled to funds for the FAI for football development, just like any other club under the FAI's jurisdiction, regardless of Derry's geographical location.

So, I've already stated that there are 2 places they are entitled to funding from. That should be obvious to anybody not out to whinge.

It seems to me that Derry are saying they should get funding from the NI executive because the project is all about regeneration. If that is true, I'm not convinced about whether it's in the FAI's brief to be partly funding a regeneration project in Derry city.

We are getting funding from the FAI for the stadium part but because we cant just get the football ground of the Derry council but the whole package.as in we have to take the whole package of the estate the ground the Brandywell is in........3 times the size of the ground so Derry cant just build a stand and ignore the rest of the site we're on.

This is probably away over your head.

[Calcio Jack]

Yawnnnzzzzz.... can someone just chuck them a few euro.... their arguments are puerile and boring but they appear to be 100% entitled to apply for the grant from the ROI taxpayer (via the FAI) so let's move on people

[Gather round]

Holy fcuk...... :o

You don't even deserve an answer to that. Lie down and take a rest....

Spare us the false outrage, Steve. Your ground's near the Bogside. Someone calling it that in passing only until corrected shouldn't be a problem.

I think NI's recent friendly against Georgia would have looked good in an 8,000 capacity Brandywell. Ditto any notional Irish cup semi final not involving the 'big two'- Coleraine v Limavady or Ballymena, say.

[dcfcsteve]

Spare us the false outrage, Steve. Your ground's near the Bogside. Someone calling it that in passing only until corrected shouldn't be a problem.

Err - I wasn't talking about people referring to the area the Brandywell is in as 'The Bogside'....:rolleyes: ! Personally it doens't rile me.

I was referring to your statement that everything on the West Bank of the Foyle was once called 'The Bogside'. Which is too ridiculous to bother correcting. I heard that everything in the East of Belfast used to be known as 'Titanic Quarter', since way back in stoneage times...


I think NI's recent friendly against Georgia would have looked good in an 8,000 capacity Brandywell. Ditto any notional Irish cup semi final not involving the 'big two'- Coleraine v Limavady or Ballymena, say.

Agreed. I'd love the Brandywell to be seen as a stadium for more than just Derry City. Ironically for all the IL-heads who are aghast that DCFC should receive funding outside of their league - having NI and big IFA domestic games at the Brandywell would do more to attract nationalists to the international set-up and reduce the divide with the Irish league than any amount of 'cross community' efforts by IFA staff would.

[geysir]

Agreed. I'd love the Brandywell to be seen as a stadium for more than just Derry City. Ironically for all the IL-heads who are aghast that DCFC should receive funding outside of their league - having NI and big IFA domestic games at the Brandywell would do more to attract nationalists to the international set-up and reduce the divide with the Irish league than any amount of 'cross community' efforts by IFA staff would.
If soccer fans in NI saw the obvious advantages of having a decent stadium in Derry instead of being blinded by prejudiced egg box world view then ,,,,,,,,,,.
But that´s what defines them as being bitter and small minded.
I actually have more appreciation for the job that Howard Wells has, you get the sense that he has some severe bouts of banging his head against the wall trying to explain to the owc that Derry would be a good location for underage internationals.

[SeanDrog]

Right.....just had a few drinks tonight so I'm in a rant mood.

Derry have recieved only €85,000 in 21 years because they dont own the Brandywell.

The worst clubs who had the worst run boards...who have since gone bust have had more funding than Derry City.

I'm not even going to talk about Coleraine FC and the funding they got.

Nor am I going to talk about over £450,000 funding that Glentoran..........yes..... EG's club has got in the past 14 years through diferent funding through the national lottery etc, while because of the situation Derry have been in, as they dont own their own ground were not able to apply for these grants/funds etc,

So because Derry having looked through every avenue they could......... saw that we could improve our local stadium and at the same time also improve the area where our stadium is located should now forget about it because an English based Glentoran fan disagree's wit5h us.

EG maybe your club should also set the wheels in motion and in five years time...like us you's might have a chance of improving east Belfast and getting a stadium to suit your needs.

I also see you havn't replied to my earlier post.......maybe it's because you have grasped what Derry are trying to do.............that is get a decent stadium west of the Bann..the 1st and only one.....and try and regenerate the area we play in.

I'm probably banging my head against a brick wall trying to reason with you EG as you still dont seem to grasp what every football fan in Ireland .north and south should want to get for our local football.that is ......improve our stadiums and engourage more people to come and watch our games.

It still feels like it's hitting my head against a brick wall so unless you come up and answer the questions you have avoided for 150 posts plus EG, dont bother.

As for you fellow ELOI fans who voted NO........... can you at least come on here and say why you dont think another ELOI team who in 22 years have only had €85k of funding.................. and believe me that is about 7% of what most top clubs have had in the same time...shouldn't be eligiable then just hit "post Quick Reply" and give us one reason?

Thank you in advance.

I am impressed - a few drinks and no typos :D

[Candystripe]

I am impressed - a few drinks and no typos :D


I just came on and read through that and can't believe it came across ok.

Cant believe how sore my head is today.Feels like I was hitting my head against a brick wall last night. :eek: