Is Ronaldo the best in the world?

[Closed Account 2]

I think Ronaldo is a fantastic player but a horrible cheating ****. He moans about not getting protection - what does he want? Is he saying he should not be subject to the rough and tumble that everybody else is?


I agree, compare him to Messi and his half the player and about 1/10 of the man! Messi was kicked off the park in the recent Barca v Real Madrid match but hardly complained at all. Compare this with Ronaldo who lashed out at Dawson when he wasn't even tackled but merely out-muscled in the Spurs v Man Utd match a few weeks ago. Ronaldo also lashed out at Stoke defender few weeks ago when he thought he was getting to physical. Certainly I'll be very interested in seeing how both him and Rooney cope with Cordoba, Samuel and/or Marco Matarazzi next month when Inter are in town.

Man Utd's influence over UEFA is slight compared to their infiltration of the upper echelons of the English game. I don't see so many continental refs turning a blind eye to Rooney telling them to "f**k off" or Ronaldo kicking out at opposition. And without Vidic (suspended), and perhaps Ferdinand (over-rated anyway), you would think the likes of Ibrahimovic and Cruz will have a good time of it against Evans and Brown.

[OwlsFan]

Man Utd's influence over UEFA is slight compared to their infiltration of the upper echelons of the English game.

Are you Benitez in disguise ?

[old git]

I agree, compare him to Messi and his half the player and about 1/10 of the man! Messi was kicked off the park in the recent Barca v Real Madrid match but hardly complained at all. Compare this with Ronaldo who lashed out at Dawson when he wasn't even tackled but merely out-muscled in the Spurs v Man Utd match a few weeks ago. Ronaldo also lashed out at Stoke defender few weeks ago when he thought he was getting to physical. Certainly I'll be very interested in seeing how both him and Rooney cope with Cordoba, Samuel and/or Marco Matarazzi next month when Inter are in town.

Man Utd's influence over UEFA is slight compared to their infiltration of the upper echelons of the English game. I don't see so many continental refs turning a blind eye to Rooney telling them to "f**k off" or Ronaldo kicking out at opposition. And without Vidic (suspended), and perhaps Ferdinand (over-rated anyway), you would think the likes of Ibrahimovic and Cruz will have a good time of it against Evans and Brown.

yes ronaldo does moan & groan and cheat like many other players.. he received 1 horrible challange from belletti late in chelsea game and he did not make a meal out of it so he can do it sometimes.. and how on earth did he not react verbally to howard webb giving him a yellow card for getting his shirt pulled & then tripped by carvalho in the penalty box and ronaldo is deemed to be fouling !! i am sure inter milan have a few players who can give the odd little kick out and tell refs to f**k off ... i would put money on matarazzi getting sent off in one of his games ... talking of cheats his has a previous record of cheating & being prone to seeing cards from referee's. what annoys me is that everybody seems to think it is only man utd who swear at ref / cheat , etc .. it is unfortunatly worldwide and clubs & managers seem to be turning a blind eye to it :ball:

[Closed Account 2]

yes ronaldo does moan & groan and cheat like many other players.. he received 1 horrible challange from belletti late in chelsea game and he did not make a meal out of it so he can do it sometimes.. and how on earth did he not react verbally to howard webb giving him a yellow card for getting his shirt pulled & then tripped by carvalho in the penalty box and ronaldo is deemed to be fouling !! i am sure inter milan have a few players who can give the odd little kick out and tell refs to f**k off ... i would put money on matarazzi getting sent off in one of his games ... talking of cheats his has a previous record of cheating & being prone to seeing cards from referee's. what annoys me is that everybody seems to think it is only man utd who swear at ref / cheat , etc .. it is unfortunatly worldwide and clubs & managers seem to be turning a blind eye to it :ball:

The bold bit is were you are wrong. Yes lots of Inter players are unsporting, and yes ones like Matarazzi will kick out (treading on players toes at corners / free kicks is classic tactic they used to employ in European games in the mid 1990s), but they will never overtly tell a ref to "f**k off". I don't know if it's because (unlike Rooney) they are either (a) too subtle to do it, or (b) know that (unlike Rooney again) they would be carded for it in a domestic game... either way the Italians are very unlikely to do it. They are also unlikely to get up in the face of the ref and start shouting at them, they will go over and speak to the ref but they never aggressivly scream in their face (unlike Sunday). Basically in Serie A you would never get the comical scene you had at Old Trafford, where in a league which has supposedly introduced a "respect the officials" campaign a player ran over to a ref and started screaming and swearing in his face.

Incidently, in terms of people turning a blind eye to it, didn't Mascherano get a red card for this last season at Old Trafford ? From a neutral's point of view It does look a bit like there is one rule for the home team and one for the away team at Old Trafford.

[old git]

The bold bit is were you are wrong. Yes lots of Inter players are unsporting, and yes ones like Matarazzi will kick out (treading on players toes at corners / free kicks is classic tactic they used to employ in European games in the mid 1990s), but they will never overtly tell a ref to "f**k off". I don't know if it's because (unlike Rooney) they are either (a) too subtle to do it, or (b) know that (unlike Rooney again) they would be carded for it in a domestic game... either way the Italians are very unlikely to do it. They are also unlikely to get up in the face of the ref and start shouting at them, they will go over and speak to the ref but they never aggressivly scream in their face (unlike Sunday). Basically in Serie A you would never get the comical scene you had at Old Trafford, where in a league which has supposedly introduced a "respect the officials" campaign a player ran over to a ref and started screaming and swearing in his face.

Incidently, in terms of people turning a blind eye to it, didn't Mascherano get a red card for this last season at Old Trafford ? From a neutral's point of view It does look a bit like there is one rule for the home team and one for the away team at Old Trafford.

so you know italian / spainish / swedish for f**k off !! what about their wonderful habits of brandishing imaginary cards after a foul and come on italian teams are not to shy to get in a referees face now and again ask any supporter and they will say the same about rules for home team and away team at anfield / stamford bridge / san siro / bernabau etc.. a lot of referees find it a bit easier to make decisions in favour of home teams due to pressure of players / fans and this is also from a neutral point of view ... if rooney are anybody else swears in referee's face they should be booked .. if ref does not do it then he is at fault ..

[Thebolg]

Ill probably get slated for this but here goes. Ronaldo is a symptom of everything that is wrong with football. He is an extremely talented magical footballer, but he is also a spoilt brat millionaire cheating piece of ****. it is because of so called superstar footballers such as him that cheating is now an integral part of the game and bad sporting attitudes are becoming the norm. If you go an watch a load of kids playing under 10s or that now, watch how many of them dive and play act. this would not have come into the heads of anyone in the past. If the wonderful Ronaldo is FIFA world player of the year (which he is) he becomes a role model for the sport around the world and his behaviour is not only seen as acceptable it is now recieving plaudits from the highest governing body in the game. if ever there was a message sent to disrespected refereees all over the world this was it.

is he the most skillful, and best goal scoring winger of his generation? Yes he is

Is he to be awarded the title which puts him a head and shoulders above Lionel Messi and Fernando Torres? Answer that one for yourself.

And no i am not Eamon Dunphy in disguise. One of the only things i agree with him on.

[old git]

Ill probably get slated for this but here goes. Ronaldo is a symptom of everything that is wrong with football. He is an extremely talented magical footballer, but he is also a spoilt brat millionaire cheating piece of ****. it is because of so called superstar footballers such as him that cheating is now an integral part of the game and bad sporting attitudes are becoming the norm. If you go an watch a load of kids playing under 10s or that now, watch how many of them dive and play act. this would not have come into the heads of anyone in the past. If the wonderful Ronaldo is FIFA world player of the year (which he is) he becomes a role model for the sport around the world and his behaviour is not only seen as acceptable it is now recieving plaudits from the highest governing body in the game. if ever there was a message sent to disrespected refereees all over the world this was it.

is he the most skillful, and best goal scoring winger of his generation? Yes he is

Is he to be awarded the title which puts him a head and shoulders above Lionel Messi and Fernando Torres? Answer that one for yourself.

And no i am not Eamon Dunphy in disguise. One of the only things i agree with him on.

would agree with most of above .. but what annoys me is that ronaldo gets the blame for 90% of it.. plenty of other spoilt brat millionaire cheats out their in la liga / serie a / premier league doing the excat same as him.
as for previous fifa players of the year a few non-cheating angels here alright .. kaka 2007 / ronaldinho 2004 / 2005 / zidane 2003 / 1998 /
figo 2001 / rivaldo 1998...
head and shoulders above messi definatly no .. torres yes.. :ball:

[Dodge]

as for previous fifa players of the year a few non-cheating angels here alright .. kaka 2007 / ronaldinho 2004 / 2005 / zidane 2003 / 1998 /figo 2001 / rivaldo 1998...


I'd only have Rivaldo down as a cheater there. Figo and Zidane were ridiculously hard working too

[Thebolg]

Ronaldinho: how could you not love that goofy smily face. Great attitude if a little (ok maybe alot) lazy.
Kaka: dont think his attitude is even in the same league
Figo and Zidane: couldnt call them cheats

I am not putting 90% of the blame on him but he opitomises the problem and he is one of the worst ever.

In my opinion Zidane was the greatest player I have ever really watched being a bit young for the maradonas etc

[gustavo]

Annoys is the way he is referred to as "Ronaldo" alone as if he doesn't have a christian name , total disrespect to the finest forward of our generation

[Closed Account 2]

so you know italian / spainish / swedish for f**k off !! what about their wonderful habits of brandishing imaginary cards after a foul and come on italian teams are not to shy to get in a referees face now and again ask any supporter and they will say the same about rules for home team and away team at anfield / stamford bridge / san siro / bernabau etc.. a lot of referees find it a bit easier to make decisions in favour of home teams due to pressure of players / fans and this is also from a neutral point of view ... if rooney are anybody else swears in referee's face they should be booked .. if ref does not do it then he is at fault ..

Ci sono molte parole, per essempio "vaffanculo", "fottiti cacca cazzo", "porco dio", "zoccola", "vai al inferno", "cacasentenze, "cafone"... ed anche e' abbastanza difficile quando ti sei nel Mezzogiorno perche ci sono dialetti Nnapulitano , Sicilianu...

Ma ch'e solo Rooney chi bestemmianda come un turco...

I don't speak Spanish / Swedish, never lived or studied there.

[Thebolg]

appologies. christiano ronaldo is a cheating piece of sh1t. enough respect?

[old git]

I'd only have Rivaldo down as a cheater there. Figo and Zidane were ridiculously hard working too

figo was famous for his dives ... zidane ( headbutt in world cup ) and also was their not a case about him and banned substances in italy :confused:

[old git]

Ci sono molte parole, per essempio "vaffanculo", "fottiti cacca cazzo", "porco dio", "zoccola", "vai al inferno", "cacasentenze, "cafone"... ed anche e' abbastanza difficile quando ti sei nel Mezzogiorno perche ci sono dialetti Nnapulitano , Sicilianu...

Ma ch'e solo Rooney chi bestemmianda come un turco...

I don't speak Spanish / Swedish, never lived or studied there.

i'm impressed :) afraid now to ask you what the swear words mean in english

[Closed Account 2]

i'm impressed afraid now to ask you what the swear words mean in english


"vaffanculo" = f**k off, in a way it's exactly the same as the English expression, it used to be very bad but now it's used a lot (in the south) so, while still rude is not as rude as say 20 years ago...
"fottiti cacca cazzo" = screw you d**k head (literally head of excrament)
"porco dio" = f**king god, it's an expression of exasperation, but in Italian it's a lot ruder than it translates to in english
"zoccola" = rude word which means a lady who is not that selective and goes for quantity ahead of quality
"vai al inferno" = go to hell, again the Italian is ruder than the English
"cacasentenze" = literally means defeacting sentences, it's a rude way of describing someone who is "holier than thou" fans sometimes say this to the ref
"cafone" = basically a rude way of saying idiot, moron

Then there are whole load of normal phrases that can have sinister means depending on the context and delivery. For instance "A testa giu'" means head down, like almost upside down, but when fans say it it means we are going to get you.

But I wouldn't advise using these in Italy, some are more rude than others and even this depends on where you are - I by that it can be even village to village (in the south) rather than region to region.

[John83]

figo was famous for his dives ... zidane ( headbutt in world cup ) and also was their not a case about him and banned substances in italy :confused:
Figo had the **** kicked out of him too. He was frequently the (statistically) most fouled player in Spain. A lot of players like that start going down a bit easily - even poor old Duffer's the same. Frankly, it's probably easier than enduring the injuries incurred the other way. Anyway, yes Figo dived though not so terribly, I think.

Zidane was sent off a lot in his career (10 times, I think - comparable with Keane!), usually for lashing out in anger after being provoked. He had a hot head in spite of the radiative cooling panel... er, bald spot. The banned substances thing was creatine. It's not entirely banned - just over a certain level. Below that, it's used as an aid for muscle building. I don't think anything substantial was ever pinned on anyone, though there were noises about nandralone, but that might be a bit to do with Juve employing various forms of the Wookie defence. I didn't follow the details of that case; you'd need a law degree and fluency in Italian.

[John83]

"vaffanculo" = f**k off, in a way it's exactly the same as the English expression, it used to be very bad but now it's used a lot (in the south) so, while still rude is not as rude as say 20 years ago..
This was quite popular among Serie A fans recently:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4QY-SwIfpw

[Mr Maroon]

Inter Vaffanculo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAEJv4hb_1o

[John83]

That one's popular throughout Italy, I think. :)

[Denis The Red]

Someone wanted this thread closed a while ago and I don't know where it's going now with Italian swear words but as the thread starter I can categorically answer the question, Is Ronaldo the best in the world? with the answer YES! So "vaffanculo" you jealous begrudgers.:p

[Rovers fan]

but as the thread starter I can categorically answer the question, Is Ronaldo the best in the world? with the answer YES!


Why did you start the thread so if you were so sure;)?

Btw can you get an infraction for swearing in a foreign language:D?

[Denis The Red]

Why did you start the thread so if you were so sure;)?

I'm a sadist. I was messin' with your heads!!!

[OwlsFan]

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The modern footballer

[old git]

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The modern footballer
if you look again you can see he clearly won the ball :D

[OwlsFan]

It's not every day I agree with Drunkphy, but Ronaldo's attitude when he loses possession is terrible. He seldom chases back and usually stands with his hands on his hips. Despite the number of goals he's scored this season, compared to last season he appears to be operating at about 60%. I think a transfer to Real Madrid is not far away.

[DeLorean]

It's not every day I agree with Drunkphy, but Ronaldo's attitude when he loses possession is terrible. He seldom chases back and usually stands with his hands on his hips. Despite the number of goals he's scored this season, compared to last season he appears to be operating at about 60%. I think a transfer to Real Madrid is not far away.

I think a blind man would agree with Dunphy on that one. The same idiot turned out an article in The Star about a year ago with the headline - 'I WAS SO WRONG ABOUT RONALDO' though so I don't think it really matters what he says.

I don't think Ronaldo's general play is all that different to last year he's just not scoring with the same regularity. He'd want his head examined to go to Madrid at the minute. They don't have the players United have that'll do his dirty work for him, can you imagine himself and Sergio Ramos on one flank.

[Mr Maroon]

Is Ronaldo the best in the world?


No, Messi is.

[oscar]

without a doubt,Messi is going to be one of footballs greats

[DeLorean]

I'm a United fan and obviously most things in the game are down to opinions. However anybody that honestly has the opinion that Ronaldo is better, the same or nearly as good as Messi is quite simply - WRONG.

[Denis The Red]

I'm a United fan and obviously most things in the game are down to opinions. However anybody that honestly has the opinion that Ronaldo is better, the same or nearly as good as Messi is quite simply - WRONG.

Definitely, Ronaldo is throwing all the wrong signals and shapes and though I advocated his world player of the year tag (which I think he deserved it at the time he got it), Messi for me is a world class player with a world class attitude.
Utd should take Madrid's money and strengthen the squad.
Also they should get their priorities right. Looking at the Porto game we see a player who won't carry his load being almost begged to remain at the club at any cost i.e. Ronnie and we see a honest to goodness player breaking his arse for the cause not being offered a contract (yet) i.e. Carlos. What's wrong with this?

[shakermaker1982]

God I've missed this thread....

outstanding last night. I just hope Messi can conjure up something similiar tonight so we've got a Barca vs Man Utd Final.

[razor]

outstanding last night.Bar the assassination attempt to win the free for the first goal, but the ref bought it.

[smasher]

Bar the assassination attempt to win the free for the first goal, but the ref bought it.

He's a joke. Constantly dives ( has it down to a fine art now), moans persistently and officials buy into the facade . Also has whiskey nose rattling on on his behalf persistently so as to gain sympathy and support from the powers that be.
Its ,success at all costs. It does'nt matter how it is gained.

[reder]

Its success at all costs. It does'nt matter how it is gained.

Well, it is professional sport. Who do you support? Are they the definition of perfect sporting ethics?

United deserved to go through over the 2 legs. End of story.

[Denis The Red]

He's a joke. Constantly dives ( has it down to a fine art now), moans persistently and officials buy into the facade . Also has whiskey nose rattling on on his behalf persistently so as to gain sympathy and support from the powers that be.
Its ,success at all costs. It does'nt matter how it is gained.

Joke, whiskey nose, facade??? What's wrong did you lose money on the game or something.:D Or are you a gooner, or worse still a scouser fan.:eek:
Did you see his strike for his first goal, regardless how it was won (or awarded). Few players can hit a ball like that. And his second was class, started and finished the attack. A great team goal with great individual flair from Ronnie thrown in. Can't deny it.
We'll see how many people will slate Drogba tonight after he spends half the match throwing himself to the ground looking for the ref to save him.

[KK77]

Worse than children in a school yard at times people on this site. My daddys bigger than your daddy. As reder said Utd won fair and square over the two legs. End of story. Grow up.

[Denis The Red]

Worse than children in a school yard at times people on this site. My daddys bigger than your daddy. As reder said Utd won fair and square over the two legs. End of story. Grow up.

Aw, can I stay out and play a bit longer pweese.:D:D

The thread is about Ronaldo and that's what we were discussing. Sorry we woke you from your afternoon nap.

[KK77]

Aw, can I stay out and play a bit longer pweese.:D:D

The thread is about Ronaldo and that's what we were discussing. Sorry we woke you from your afternoon nap.

As i said grow up;)

[lionelhutz]

United deserved to go through - by far the better side. Arsenal were extremely disappointing over the two legs.

Back on the topic of this thread, i.e. Is Ronaldo the best player in the world? the answer is - no he is not at the moment. Messi is. He struck the free well last night for the first goal but Almunia was disgraceful - there's no doubt keepers like Buffon, Given, Cech, Casillas would have saved that comfortably.

His second goal was a lovely finish but I'd give more of the credit to Rooney for that goal - pinpoint pass.

Actually, come to think of it, in terms of the best player in 2009 I'd have Rooney ahead of Ronaldo as well as Messi.

[jmurphyc]

He struck the free well last night for the first goal but Almunia was disgraceful - there's no doubt keepers like Buffon, Given, Cech, Casillas would have saved that comfortably.


Are you sure Cech would have saved it? ;)

[smasher]

Aw, can I stay out and play a bit longer pweese.:D:D

The thread is about Ronaldo and that's what we were discussing. Sorry we woke you from your afternoon nap.

Refer to earlier contributions made re 'Diveba'. I have been consistent throughout: cheating should not be tolerated in the game!

[DeLorean]

Refer to earlier contributions made re 'Diveba'. I have been consistent throughout: cheating should not be tolerated in the game!

Your moral compass cannot be questioned oh noble one...

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[razor]

Did you see his strike for his first goal, regardless how it was won (or awarded).So its ok for him to cheat in winning a free if he can ping it in from 35 yards? Sounds logical.


We'll see how many people will slate Drogba tonight after he spends half the match throwing himself to the ground looking for the ref to save him.I reckon Didier got away with that one. :D

[gustavo]

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[Angus]

I think we can say this thread is now well and truly done ?

[old git]

I think we can say this thread is now well and truly done ?

yes on last nights performance iniesta is the man :ball:

[Denis The Red]

yes on last nights performance iniesta is the man :ball:

Messi for me. The guy's a class apart already and he's so young. He'll get even better. I can't wait to see him in the World Cup. How good will he be by 2010?

[Red&White Rover]

Has to be Messi IMO...

[oscar]

Messi for me....poll anybody???

[First]

In a nutshell No, Ronaldo is not the best player in the world , after Wednesday he is not even in the top 5.
1.Iniesta.
2.Messi
3.Xavi
4.Kaka
5.Torres ( I hate Liverpool )