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popmart
11/02/2008, 5:35 PM
The FAI have taken alot of abuse over the years and correctly so but if they pull this off, hats off to them. They certainly surprised me. Havent been this genuinely exited about the appointment of an irish manager ever.
NeilMcD
11/02/2008, 5:36 PM
I heard T'oD said that Brady would not be involved and that Brady basically started the whole Trappatoni thing and provided the link to it which is what I thought all along. I hope Brady is involved.
eirebhoy
11/02/2008, 5:42 PM
Just to make a point about his time in charge of Italy. Italy had 5 goals disallowed in 3 games at the 2002 world cup. Replays showed all of them to be the wrong calls. Not to mention Totti sent off wrongly.
Drumcondra 69er
11/02/2008, 5:45 PM
I heard T'oD said that Brady would not be involved and that Brady basically started the whole Trappatoni thing and provided the link to it which is what I thought all along. I hope Brady is involved.
Liam Mackey is on Today FM stating he will be involved but on a match by match basis and will be staying in his Arsenal role. Good enough for me....
Big Cas was also on saying he bumped into Venables and asked him about the Ireland job and though he didn't say yes or no his reaction indicated that he hadn't got it.
eirebhoy
11/02/2008, 5:56 PM
Gabrielle Marcotti on RTE:
He was surprised to hear the panel were in Austria last night because his sources told him a couple of hours ago that he hasn't spoken to the FAI yet.
Trap has said he is apparently 95% sure he'll accept the offer.
Brady has secured permission from Wenger to take up a role with Ireland.
Trap is a 35 year old in the body of a 60 year old.
Stuttgart88
11/02/2008, 6:00 PM
But with the birth cert of a 68 year old!
My Italian mate reckons it'll be "fun".
geysir
11/02/2008, 6:03 PM
Time to arrange a friendly with England :)
barney
11/02/2008, 6:06 PM
Yes, If Trappatoni is appointed, a tremendous job by the FAI and the selection panel.
Drinks on me at Don Givens' house Friday night...details to follow.
And to be fair, the press can claim some credit for this, because the FAI were afraid to put a foot wrong! another assistant coach from Walsall was never going to hack it..........................
On the other hand, if Venables gets the job, all the above is a pile of horse sh!te !!!! How easily the pendulum doth swing !
LOL
I don't think TV would be that bad of an appointment tbh. But Trappatoni looks far superior to anything we could have hoped for a few months ago. Only thing that slightly worries me is that there is a possibility, however slight, of him being our Bertie Vogts. Then again Trappatoni's club record is phenomenal where as Vogts, to the best of my knowledge, had nothing beyond Euro 96 to point to.
I reckon the media have been beyond vicious in all this. By all means have a go at Delaney and the FAI for the Stan appointment, and ensure that they don't venture down a similar road this time, but to keep calling the process a 'farce' just because it was taking a few months was ridiculous. We don't start the WC qualifiers until September so there was nothing to be gained by a quick appointment. Fair play to Delaney, Givens, Howe and Houghton for not giving much away throughout and leaving the press to make up their own crap.
I've always said, just give the FAI a reasonable amount of time, time to make mistakes and learn from them, and then judge them. Success doesn't happen straight away and, to my mind, they are doing a sterling job in most aspects of the game in this country.
Red&White Rover
11/02/2008, 6:19 PM
Does anyone know if he can speak English.
This is the question that should have been asked at Stan's appointment.
ruben_sosa
11/02/2008, 6:44 PM
the process was a farce though, because it deviated so far from the stated objective which was to headhunt the best candidates out there. The fact is they never came up with a concise list of candidates in europe, they had Jewell and Coppell at the top of their interview schedule, and they took their sweet time getting around to Hodgson. A proper headhunter would have drawn up their list of managers by number of titles/achievements in descending order and worked their way down and this would have sounded out Trap months ago. When the FAI appointed the under 21 manager and Don Howe it opened the committee up to accusations of vested interests and bias. Headhunting is the last thing that the committee did, they seemed to be more reactive than pro-active when it came to interviewing people. Also, they could have been more transparent without stonewalling the public. All the media and bookie speculation about Deschamps, Houllier etc could have been settled by saying they were interviewed but didn't want the job, but we still don't know who was and wasn't interviewed. My own belief is that it was Trap's agent that made the contact, because this farce has gone on so long it had become known all across europe, eventually to Austria. This is a victory snatched from the jaws of defeat, and we'll never know how close we came to El O'Tel.
onenilgameover
11/02/2008, 6:45 PM
has everyone seen this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bqp64q7kHmw
i would kill to be in the same room when Stephen Ireland gets a whole pile of half learned english abuse...
im getting excited now..i kinda wish i didnt imigrate..oh well..
mypost
11/02/2008, 6:49 PM
His Italy side during the Euro 2004 qualifiers was one of the worst Italian teams I've ever seen. I wouldn't be leaping for joy at this appointment.
He was 2 minutes away from the WC 1/4-finals, and 1 goal away from the EC 1/4-finals in 2004. With that record, we would give bosses like that a homecoming and an Irish passport. Oh sorry, we already have. :)
There were many available candidates out there, but (it seems as though) we have chosen the right candidate, which is what the committee was set up to do. How many bosses would queue up for the Welsh gig, right now?? :confused:
barney
11/02/2008, 6:54 PM
the process was a farce though, because it deviated so far from the stated objective which was to headhunt the best candidates out there. The fact is they never came up with a concise list of candidates in europe, they had Jewell and Coppell at the top of their interview schedule, and they took their sweet time getting around to Hodgson. A proper headhunter would have drawn up their list of managers by number of titles/achievements in descending order and worked their way down and this would have sounded out Trap months ago. When the FAI appointed the under 21 manager and Don Howe it opened the committee up to accusations of vested interests and bias. Headhunting is the last thing that the committee did, they seemed to be more reactive than pro-active when it came to interviewing people. Also, they could have been more transparent without stonewalling the public. All the media and bookie speculation about Deschamps, Houllier etc could have been settled by saying they were interviewed but didn't want the job, but we still don't know who was and wasn't interviewed. My own belief is that it was Trap's agent that made the contact, because this farce has gone on so long it had become known all across europe, eventually to Austria. This is a victory snatched from the jaws of defeat, and we'll never know how close we came to El O'Tel.
A lot of speculation in there. According to the Tribune yesterday, the panel sounded out Lippi and Hiddink. While those sort of candidates would be top notch, we also have to be realistic hence the list of less desirable candidates and interviewees.
We have no right to know who was and wasn't interviewed. The panel did right in telling us, and the media, nothing.
Had the panel listened to the media, and some experts, Ireland would have knee jerked into appointing Jewell, Hodgson or Coppell, who so many people waxed lyrical about. Which three managers currently reside in the Premiership relegation zone??
If the process was seen as such a farce across Europe, Trappatoni wouldn't have touched it with a ten foot pole. The FAI took their time and look to have pulled of a massive coup. Fair play to them.
eirebhoy
11/02/2008, 7:11 PM
Trap has finished in the top 2 in the league 17 times, winning 10. Top 2 in domestic cups 7 times, winning 3. Twice has been in the European cup final, winning 1. 3 UEFA cup wins. 1 Cup Winners Cup win. 1 Super Cup and 1 World Club Championship.
32 medals in his 33 years of management.
ruben_sosa
11/02/2008, 7:13 PM
If the process was seen as such a farce across Europe, Trappatoni wouldn't have touched it with a ten foot pole. The FAI took their time and look to have pulled of a massive coup. Fair play to them.
what logical well planned process brings a committee from Billy Davies to Trapattoni? they were going in another direction closer to home until someone outside the committee pointed them in the direction of Traps. I'd say they were close to appointing Venables after Houllier dropped out, but Traps really was an eleventh hour entry into the race which was already in the process of winding down. Like i said... i can see nothing logical or planned about the sequence of events we've witnessed.
I do think the FAI deserve credit for being in a financial position to offer a much better salary than previously available, and also they should take credit for trying a new approach to the appointment process, though i don't think associations around europe will be queuing up to replicate it.
Just in general...it's the Irish way, some people are complaining about the process and that it's a farce, but the outcome is that we'll get Trap. End result is better than most would have thought.
I don't think we the public have a right to know who or who wasn't interviewed though - if the FAI came out after each interview and announced who they just interviewed - could you imagine the media!!
p.s. this is based on the assumption Trap signs the contract !!
Jicked
11/02/2008, 7:19 PM
Yeah if anyone actually thinks Trap's appointment will have anything to do with the appointment of the three man Venables, sorry, selection committee, think again. Just remember that after the media had already broke the story of Trap's interest, Givens laughed it off saying they'd never heard anything about him, and that they doubted the FAI would talk to him behind his back. Thank fukk they did.
barney
11/02/2008, 7:25 PM
what logical well planned process brings a committee from Billy Davies to Trapattoni? they were going in another direction closer to home until someone outside the committee pointed them in the direction of Traps. I'd say they were close to appointing Venables after Houllier dropped out, but Traps really was an eleventh hour entry into the race which was already in the process of winding down. Like i said... i can see nothing logical or planned about the sequence of events we've witnessed.
I do think the FAI deserve credit for being in a financial position to offer a much better salary than previously available, and also they should take credit for trying a new approach to the appointment process, though i don't think associations around europe will be queuing up to replicate it.
The same logical well-planned process that chooses Trappatoni (presuming it's him) over the other candidates.
Again, you're speculating. "I'd say what happened is..". What happened is that the panel were put together to find the best man for the job. They look like producing Trappatoni. That's an awful lot better than anyone could have hoped for. Hats off to them, they've done what it said on the tin.
I'd bet there will be people, both here and in the media, hoping that the manager fails just so they can have a go at the FAI. This is Ireland after all.
paul_oshea
11/02/2008, 7:43 PM
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=507099&cc=5739
keenanboy
11/02/2008, 7:53 PM
He was 2 minutes away from the WC 1/4-finals, and 1 goal away from the EC 1/4-finals in 2004. With that record, we would give bosses like that a homecoming and an Irish passport. Oh sorry, we already have. :)
I hope to God that if we do qualify for SA 2010 that there's no sad-ass homecoming (unless we win it). Nothing more cringeworthy than seeing joe Duffy talking to an embarrassed Damien Duff about the DDD's (Damien Duff Dizziness).
Oh dear.
lionelhutz
11/02/2008, 7:59 PM
If it is Trappatoni, will the FAI-bashers on here accept that maybe, just maybe, they have gotten this right? Will they accept that if you f**k up, as they did with Stan, you should be allowed to learn from your mistakes? That success doesn't happen overnight. That the only 'farce' of the last three-four months has been the hysterical media coverage?
Or will we go down the route taken by those who push their own petty agendas (step forward Brian Kerr, Pat Dolan etc) and claim that the FAI have pulled off a real coup in spite of themselves? Suppose delusion is better than humble pie.
I hate this. I don't think anybody who cares about Irish football gives a s*** about who is responsible for appointing a truly world class manager.
I think all they care about is that we actually do appoint a world class manager
And i'm still very weary about whether Trappatoni will be hired
ruben_sosa
11/02/2008, 7:59 PM
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=507099&cc=5739
the director of football sounds like one for Givens.
NeilMcD
11/02/2008, 8:11 PM
Does Givens have more badges than Brady. I saw him with a Madness one the other day. The unmistakable hat.
Hibernian
11/02/2008, 8:19 PM
Trap has finished in the top 2 in the league 17 times, winning 10. Top 2 in domestic cups 7 times, winning 3. Twice has been in the European cup final, winning 1. 3 UEFA cup wins. 1 Cup Winners Cup win. 1 Super Cup and 1 World Club Championship.
32 medals in his 33 years of management.
That's a fantastic record
Really think we can look forward to the future with this guy in new era.
If he just wins one medal for Ireland I be happy enough
Drumcondra 69er
11/02/2008, 8:41 PM
has everyone seen this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bqp64q7kHmw
i would kill to be in the same room when Stephen Ireland gets a whole pile of half learned english abuse...
im getting excited now..i kinda wish i didnt imigrate..oh well..
That'd lift the wig clean off his head!!
Carrigaline
11/02/2008, 9:18 PM
Well, it looks like it'll be Trapattoni.
My only word on this, is that I expect a second place finish, at very minimum from our group.
It seems I've come in for a bit of stick for my earlier comments. To be honest, they were based on what I saw of Italy in the Euros and the qualifiers. They were very negative, we outplayed them at home and didn't deserve the 4-0 scoreline away.
That said anecdotal evidence probably isn't the best thing to go by. I've had a look at Trapattoni's record and it does look impressive.......so good acquistion, I guess.
beautifulrock
11/02/2008, 9:33 PM
This is amazing, I dont care how long it has taken but if the name is read out on Wednesday it is a massive coup for the three blind mice. Would love to know Traps main driver for taking the job, is it the talent? does he like Guinness and fishing or does he feel he has unfinished business when it comes to a national team. Interesting very interesting
TheFingallian
11/02/2008, 9:36 PM
Giles likes what he hears.
http://www.chatsoccer.eu/news/
NeilMcD
11/02/2008, 9:37 PM
http://87.106.1.66/rbsb/Team.php?id=74&lang=
This is our new fitness coach
Armando
11/02/2008, 9:59 PM
I hope to God that if we do qualify for SA 2010 that there's no sad-ass homecoming (unless we win it). Nothing more cringeworthy than seeing joe Duffy talking to an embarrassed Damien Duff about the DDD's (Damien Duff Dizziness).
Oh dear.
:D It was actually Damien Duff Disease...what a feckin pillock!
brine3
11/02/2008, 10:09 PM
I've always said, just give the FAI a reasonable amount of time, time to make mistakes and learn from them, and then judge them.
Yes, it took 80 years, but they've finally appointed a manager who has actually won a major title of some kind. Sure aren't they great, they've really earned their wage...
Something tells me the credit should be going to Liam Brady.
amaccann
11/02/2008, 10:13 PM
Giles likes what he hears.
http://www.chatsoccer.eu/news/
Love the "startled bunny" photo they used of Giles for that article. Charming!
Den Perry
11/02/2008, 10:18 PM
I was speaking in relation to Gentille.
make them learn Irish......
Den Perry
11/02/2008, 10:22 PM
the process was a farce though, because it deviated so far from the stated objective which was to headhunt the best candidates out there. The fact is they never came up with a concise list of candidates in europe, they had Jewell and Coppell at the top of their interview schedule, and they took their sweet time getting around to Hodgson. A proper headhunter would have drawn up their list of managers by number of titles/achievements in descending order and worked their way down and this would have sounded out Trap months ago. When the FAI appointed the under 21 manager and Don Howe it opened the committee up to accusations of vested interests and bias. Headhunting is the last thing that the committee did, they seemed to be more reactive than pro-active when it came to interviewing people. Also, they could have been more transparent without stonewalling the public. All the media and bookie speculation about Deschamps, Houllier etc could have been settled by saying they were interviewed but didn't want the job, but we still don't know who was and wasn't interviewed. My own belief is that it was Trap's agent that made the contact, because this farce has gone on so long it had become known all across europe, eventually to Austria. This is a victory snatched from the jaws of defeat, and we'll never know how close we came to El O'Tel.
If they get Trappatoni, it has to go down as a success. So what if the three man panel was a farce, they gotta get some credit if Trap is the man. I am no fan of the FAI after that t wat Staunton got the job last time, but this would be a great appointment, and worth the wait
finnpark
11/02/2008, 10:28 PM
If they get Trappatoni, it has to go down as a success. So what if the three man panel was a farce, they gotta get some credit if Trap is the man. I am no fan of the FAI after that t wat Staunton got the job last time, but this would be a great appointment, and worth the wait
Hail delaney! Lead us to success Delaney!
It looks like we are about to become the most boring team in Europe. 0-0 every game but thats how most coaches have success at International level eg Sanchez, Charlton etc.
Great appointment but we will still probably finish 3rd in the table. We just don't have the playes Im afraid and thinking that this 1 manager is going to change everything is living in a bubble.
kennedmc
11/02/2008, 10:33 PM
Now that Trap is almost amongst us I am getting excited about what will be a new dawn for internationl football in this country.....
For some reason it got me thinking about this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKtxDjTaUh0&feature=related
Surely we can make up a of some sort of chant based on it!!
amaccann
11/02/2008, 10:33 PM
Maybe it's too far forward into the future, but would any of Trap's Italian staff be manager material in their own right; in that once Trap left there would be a natural successor to take over?
eirebhoy
11/02/2008, 10:42 PM
Great appointment but we will still probably finish 3rd in the table. We just don't have the playes Im afraid and thinking that this 1 manager is going to change everything is living in a bubble.
We're relying completely on Dunne in defence but our attack is certainly top 10 in Europe.
brine3
11/02/2008, 10:45 PM
Maybe it's too far forward into the future, but would any of Trap's Italian staff be manager material in their own right; in that once Trap left there would be a natural successor to take over?
Gentile won the European U-21 championship with Italy, speaks English...
Who knows...
Kingdom
11/02/2008, 10:50 PM
Gentile won the European U-21 championship with Italy, speaks English...
Who knows...
Claudio Gentile is what makes this really juicy. Trapattoni is a fine appointment on his own but Gentile really makes it the World Class team we were promised 3 years ago. Anyway he definitely would be in a position to continue on if/when Giovanni goes through the trap door.
tetsujin1979
11/02/2008, 11:26 PM
What are the chances Brady is being set up to continue as Trap's successor? He clearly doesn't have the credentials right now - he's admitted as much himself. But, in 2+ years, after working with Trapattoni and his assistant, working with the Irish players, who knows?
Bluebeard
11/02/2008, 11:27 PM
I predict unprecedented interest in the Austrian League being experienced outside of Austria in the next few months...
NeilMcD
11/02/2008, 11:29 PM
I said that from the minute that Trappatoni's name was linked with the job I felt the contact was insitigated by Brady as he wanted to be involved with Ireland but he felt he did not have the experience for the job. This is the perfect situation for him and for Irish football
lopez
11/02/2008, 11:43 PM
has everyone seen this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bqp64q7kHmw
i would kill to be in the same room when Stephen Ireland gets a whole pile of half learned english abuse...
im getting excited now..i kinda wish i didnt imigrate..oh well..Did he learn his German - and his TV manner - from this bloke? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KgJQUXr2Ws&feature=related)
I'm liking him more by the minute.
SkStu
11/02/2008, 11:51 PM
Great appointment but we will still probably finish 3rd in the table. We just don't have the playes Im afraid and thinking that this 1 manager is going to change everything is living in a bubble.
agree with your remarks about our players. Very average squad with a c*ntish attitude in general but i think that Trappatoni is one of the few mangers who can get the very most out of them - so heres hoping!! On that side of things, well done FAI. (wow...)
Also, to Barney, the mouth of the FAI - the FAI is still a disaster of an organisation who got lucky. Furthermore, the job merely starts here if they are serious about transforming irish football at ALL levels. Their remit is more than finding a manager for the national team and lets not forget that.
yablazer
12/02/2008, 12:12 AM
I wonder if having the chance to play italy in the 2010 qualifiers had anything to do with him taking the job?
Will make those games very interesting.
Maybe its an elaborate italian sabotage ploy:D....:confused:.....:eek:
Bondvillain
12/02/2008, 12:26 AM
He has Sammarinese heritage, you know...
It's an elaborate plan, ever since they were robbed back in Feb -07, The San Marino F.A. have been constructing this tissue of 'co-incidences' (you didnt really think the FAI could get him normally, did you?) leading to a son of their land taking the Job....
Later this year, mark my words, A Hastily arranged friendly will be announced.
Most newsworthy will be the International recalls for Eddie McGoldrick, Paul Butler & Alan Kernaghan who slot neatly into Trapattoni's "Experimental" defence marshalled by John o Shea...
90 minutes :Ireland 0 San Marino 5.
Revenge for Serravalle.
Walking towards the tunnel, Don Trappa produces a large makeshift banner & waves it in front of the Sky cameras. It features a crude characture of John Delaney with the words "Uppa Yours, Haircut Boy!" emblazened upon, and he promptly legs it with suitcases full of cash to the Airport.
John Delaney later reports the incident as "Oh, undeniably, a temporary setback, but not unexpected", and assures the nation that he has every confidence in the new manager all the way from Italy , Guglielmo "Billy" Daviesini.
macdermesser
12/02/2008, 7:41 AM
I predict unprecedented interest in the Austrian League being experienced outside of Austria in the next few months...
I'm your man in Austria .. I'll keep yall updated ;-)
Salzburg fans have been calling for his head for most of the season . despite the massive resources, they have struggled. He's been credited with winning the league last season, but in fact he was general manager with Matthaus in charge of picking the team. He's seen as too defensive .. which is understandable with the resources they have they should be winning be a few goals every week.
It might work out for us though .. if we can hold on to leads and stop giving away last minute goals .. then we might even qualify
Personally, I can see parallels between this appointment and Bob Paisley in 1986.. Charlton's CV could not compare with Paisley, but he was the right appointment. Can't help but think that perhaps we should have moved heaven and earth to get Coppell or one of the other younger hungrier managers out there.
But as a few other posters have pointed out, Gentiles and the backroom team, Brady married with Trapps personality and experience are something to get excited about
PS. Should add that papers over here are reporting that Salzburg are glad to be rid of the old dinosaur and are looking for a younger hungrier manager.
jockser
12/02/2008, 8:16 AM
this is great news for irish football
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