Mayo League Division 2 2008

[Phoenix]

The playoffs are played in Milebush, one game has to won on the day, extra time, penos if needed. It looks like Cross will be second, Glenisland may have lost out after the Swinford result. If its Ballyheane in the playoffs they will put out half their first team. They done it to us two years ago, very unfair on a team trying to go up as they were relegated straight down the year after because their squad is not big enough for two good sides.

It's a sad state of affairs when you go through a league season and finish in the play-off spot and come up against a "B" or "C" team, only to find it's full of first teamers. I feel sorry for your team of two years ago if ye were denied by blatant rule breaking. What have teams to prove or what satisfaction can be gotten from going up illlegally. Surely it's a pointless exercise as they will be found out in the division above and be straight back down the folllowing year. Surely the Mayo League could form a Reserve League, although that would probably tar the genuine second and third teams with the same brush as the messers. Are the Mayo League in a position to mail on a Registered Squad List of all teams in each Division to their opponents?? I suspect teams will still field illegal players under a registered players name. Also the referee's have a big part to play. If a referee sees a player playing for the A team this week and the B team the following week, has he a duty to report this to the Mayo League??? It's a very frustrating situation as a hell of a lot is sacrificed by Managers, Trainers, Players, Committee's and Members during the year, only for it to be taken away by a bigger club with a B or C team who don't bother to play fair. It's two fingers to all the honest clubs out there.:mad::confused::eek:

[sinabhuil]

Any team has the right to request a photograph be taken of the opposition. I agree and whilst at it if the striker playing for Knock/Kiltimagh last week is a 2nd team player their first team should be winning the superleague.

[NoelM]

Any team has the right to request a photograph be taken of the opposition. I agree and whilst at it if the striker playing for Knock/Kiltimagh last week is a 2nd team player their first team should be winning the superleague.
One of their team made a comment before the game that they had 5-6 A team players playing as they preferred playing for the B team.

[The Don]

The playoffs are played in Milebush, one game has to won on the day, extra time, penos if needed. It looks like Cross will be second, Glenisland may have lost out after the Swinford result. If its Ballyheane in the playoffs they will put out half their first team. They done it to us two years ago, very unfair on a team trying to go up as they were relegated straight down the year after because their squad is not big enough for two good sides.

That is pure bull. I played in that game and the same players that played all year played in the play off. Secondly we were relegated last season only in a play off with more or less the same team. If you want to name some players to give some substance to your comment it would help!. I do agree however that the b team rule is looked at again because of the general abuse of the rules.

[walshek]

Hi Lads. can the following not happen at the start of each season. First 16 players named and displayed in the mayo.fai web site for all to see. This could be done in about 2 hours with the register putting the names up. Simple them for all clubs to see and review. at the moment there is no way to see where this data is. i agree with all on players been used across all team. it happens in all clubs and i have seen it for years. time to stop it now

[secerts]

One of their team made a comment before the game that they had 5-6 A team players playing as they preferred playing for the B team.



thats pure bull, all players that played v Cross Celtic are registered as B team, a few have played for A team on Thur nights because lads away working and A team short numbers thats all.....

[sprah1]

Hi Lads. can the following not happen at the start of each season. First 16 players named and displayed in the mayo.fai web site for all to see. This could be done in about 2 hours with the register putting the names up. Simple them for all clubs to see and review. at the moment there is no way to see where this data is. i agree with all on players been used across all team. it happens in all clubs and i have seen it for years. time to stop it now


Would also need to have a rule that anyone who makes a certain number of appearances for A team(say four) is then not allowed to play for B team if they have one. This would prevent the possibility(!) of clubs naming 16 non playing club members on their A panel at start of season, making everyone strictly eligible to play for both A&B.

[Phoenix]

Would also need to have a rule that anyone who makes a certain number of appearances for A team(say four) is then not allowed to play for B team if they have one. This would prevent the possibility(!) of clubs naming 16 non playing club members on their A panel at start of season, making everyone strictly eligible to play for both A&B.

I think this is a discussion that could run and run. The current replies are typical with a "Oh yes ye did.......Oh no we didn't" theme. We have played a number of teams during the year that are definitely loading their teams for certain games. Teams have been beaten 7 nil in a game and then in the corresponding fixture gotten a draw or a narrow defeat. The fact that the A team happen to be playing on the same day as the 7 nil hammering and have a weekend off for the corresponding fixture, is surely more than a coincedence??????? I could accept it if there was a rule that every player can play A or B football, but from once he plays ONE GAME for the A's, he then cannot play for the B team again. But there doesn't seem to be any real rules in force at all, or if there are who's enforcing them. We're discussing it here and accepting that it goes on, but what's been done about it????
There's a team in Div.2 at the moment that have a complaint lodged against them for playing an illegal player. The fact that the player involved was registered for a totally different team in a different Division, is really just giving everyone else the two fingers.....:eek:

[couchpotato]

There's a team in Div.2 at the moment that have a complaint lodged against them for playing an illegal player. The fact that the player involved was registered for a totally different team in a different Division, is really just giving everyone else the two fingers.....[I]

Do tell oh wise one!!!

[walshek]

go on couch spud name the team and let the cat out of the bag.

[couchpotato]

go on couch spud name the team and let the cat out of the bag.

its not me that knows it walshek, its Phoenix

[minivan man]

ye might as well spill the beans lads. whos the smart arse playin for 2 clubs?. this disscussion is the same every year, no mater how you do it its never going to be completely watertight. the refs are the only people seeing the same teams on a regular basis they should report a team if they ref them 1 week and see them turn up with a totally different team the following week.

[the 12 th man]

There's a team in Div.2 at the moment that have a complaint lodged against them for playing an illegal player. The fact that the player involved was registered for a totally different team in a different Division, is really just giving everyone else the two fingers.....:eek:


Don't post any names here unless it's a fact.You are leaving yourself and this site wide open.

[renovater]

It's a sad state of affairs when you go through a league season and finish in the play-off spot and come up against a "B" or "C" team, only to find it's full of first teamers. I feel sorry for your team of two years ago if ye were denied by blatant rule breaking. What have teams to prove or what satisfaction can be gotten from going up illlegally. Surely it's a pointless exercise as they will be found out in the division above and be straight back down the folllowing year. Surely the Mayo League could form a Reserve League, although that would probably tar the genuine second and third teams with the same brush as the messers. Are the Mayo League in a position to mail on a Registered Squad List of all teams in each Division to their opponents?? I suspect teams will still field illegal players under a registered players name. Also the referee's have a big part to play. If a referee sees a player playing for the A team this week and the B team the following week, has he a duty to report this to the Mayo League??? It's a very frustrating situation as a hell of a lot is sacrificed by Managers, Trainers, Players, Committee's and Members during the year, only for it to be taken away by a bigger club with a B or C team who don't bother to play fair. It's two fingers to all the honest clubs out there.:mad::confused::eek:

I fear a lot of soured grapes. First it should be pointed out no player is ilegal.
the rule is clear you name 16 A team players the rest are B team players and so on if you C team you name 16 B its that simple. No A team play may play for the B team, but B team players may assist the A team. Its no fault of any club should they have better players than one of a club who only have one team.
The old rules where change my the same club who now fines it frustrating, but that's life. these clubs where not happy when a player could only assist it B team 5 times then he became an A team player.
On the other hand you have to hand it to the clubs who have more than one team, and can manage to play all there games.
What do you do when a club has 40 players on its books but in one team?
No you have a B team.
Hope this helps

[renovater]

I was The Mayo League Register I can say with out doubt that no B team fields A team players.
Without running the risk of being thrown out of the league. All B team cards are Still being checked TO the present day By Gerry Sweeney. Have no doubt when you are Checking cards as I would have done you would fine it.
So before you start calling players illegal, at leased you should have objected to the Mayo League in writing rather coming on here and slating clubs who you think may have used player's who are registered with there B team and assisted there A team, does not make them illegal you and your clubs changed the rules.
as per rule 34.
I suggest that you go back to the drawing board and rewrite the rule if you think you can change it, for the next A.G.M. take note when you rewrite the rule that you can get it passed, that you delete of the existing rule which does not apply.
Wish you well in your task.

[swinfordfc]

I was The Mayo League Register I can say with out doubt that no B team fields A team players.
Without running the risk of being thrown out of the league. All B team cards are Still being checked TO the present day By Gerry Sweeney. Have no doubt when you are Checking cards as I would have done you would fine it.
So before you start calling players illegal, at leased you should have objected to the Mayo League in writing rather coming on here and slating clubs who you think may have used player's who are registered with there B team and assisted there A team, does not make them illegal you and your clubs changed the rules.
as per rule 34.
I suggest that you go back to the drawing board and rewrite the rule if you think you can change it, for the next A.G.M. take note when you rewrite the rule that you can get it passed, that you delete of the existing rule which does not apply.
Wish you well in your task.

i have no doubt that this is done but what can the league do when a player that not registered with a team and plays under a different name even though he signed with another team! see what you sort this one out! ;)

[sprah1]

[quote=sprah1;991433]Predicted Final Positions Div 2b


Mulranny 41
Cross 40
Glen 37
Clare B 34
Ctown 31
Swin 29


Prediction wont be far off!

[bananaboots]

Any scores from the weekend?????

[NoelM]

From 2B - Manulla 1 Cross 3; Glenisland 2 Castlebar Town 1; Claremorris 4 Hollister 0; Knock/Kiltimagh 1 Swinford 1 - I think!!

[sinabhuil]

Well done to Cross. From last to second. Great season in a very competitive division. Good luck in the playoffs. Also well done to Mulranny. I dont know how you beat Claremorris by 3 goals.

[renovater]

i have no doubt that this is done but what can the league do when a player that not registered with a team and plays under a different name even though he signed with another team! see what you sort this one out!
I personally would not be able to deal with it as I no longer member of the M.L.
However I would expect clubs to play in the spirit of the game.
Its VERY hard to detect some one who's played under assumed name,unless you have photo of team, booked and gives wrong name to referee.or get injured taken to hospital. He may then follow the club which would leave the club in a be-caress position.
However had found a club in this position number of years ago who did get caught, and ended up paying for there crime. I would like to think it doesn't happen today.Because of the cost,:D it could end up on a club.:)

[footie2008]

I would just like to echo your note, well done Mulranny and best of luck to Cross in the playoffs. The league table never lies and even though it was a very competitive league the two best teams finished on top. Cross will find it tough to go up, winning two playoff games are a bit of a lottery. Its back to the drawing board for the rest of us slogging away in div. 2 in 2009.:D

[sinabhuil]

Any date, venue and time for the playoff.

[NoelM]

Provisionally booked for Ballyglass on October 5th at 2.00

[renovater]

I would just like to echo your note, well done Mulranny and best of luck to Cross in the playoffs. The league table never lies and even though it was a very competitive league the two best teams finished on top. Cross will find it tough to go up, winning two playoff games are a bit of a lottery. Its back to the drawing board for the rest of us slogging away in div. 2 in 2009.:D
Good to see Mulranney win promotion, just goes to show what hard work can do.
Lets hope they now turn some of that energy into the youth side of the club.:ball:

[sinabhuil]

When is the playoff between Cross and Ballyheane (?)?

[NoelM]

Not sure, probably the 26th of October as there is FAI Junior this weekend and the following weekend looks like Connaught Cup.

[swinfordfc]

so its Cross v Ballyheane B!

[Cloggs]

so its Cross v Ballyheane B!

well some kind of ballyheane team anyway!!;)

[sinabhuil]

Any word on play off game Cross v B'heane B. This whole play off thing is a complete joke. The league is finished for weeks and the two most important games are still not played. Very tough on players. Also finishing 2nd in your league and not getting promoted is harsh. Then having to play two play-off games is even harsher. The format should be changed to 3 up 3 down (1 play off game) or have a division 3 with two up two down, this would give teams something to play for. For most of Div 2 the season is over after a handfull of games. Come on Mayo League listen to the grass roots!

[NoelM]

Any word on play off game Cross v B'heane B. This whole play off thing is a complete joke. The league is finished for weeks and the two most important games are still not played. Very tough on players. Also finishing 2nd in your league and not getting promoted is harsh. Then having to play two play-off games is even harsher. The format should be changed to 3 up 3 down (1 play off game) or have a division 3 with two up two down, this would give teams something to play for. For most of Div 2 the season is over after a handfull of games. Come on Mayo League listen to the grass roots!

Playoff confirmed for Sunday 26th at 2.00 in Manulla

[Cloggs]

Playoff confirmed for Sunday 26th at 2.00 in Manulla

best of luck to yee against ballyheane on sunday.hope yee get promoted

[NoelM]

best of luck to yee against ballyheane on sunday.hope yee get promoted

Thanks a lot Cloggs, it's been a long wait for the playoff match but we're looking forward to it. Glad the game is in Manulla, it's probably the best pitch we've played on this year.

[footie2008]

Any word on play off game Cross v B'heane B. This whole play off thing is a complete joke. The league is finished for weeks and the two most important games are still not played. Very tough on players. Also finishing 2nd in your league and not getting promoted is harsh. Then having to play two play-off games is even harsher. The format should be changed to 3 up 3 down (1 play off game) or have a division 3 with two up two down, this would give teams something to play for. For most of Div 2 the season is over after a handfull of games. Come on Mayo League listen to the grass roots!
I have to agree, but it not as a easy as saying 3 up 3 down. As you know div. 2 is split so if you pick 2 from one side and one from the other it may not be fair because you can have a difference in quality in the leagues depending on the draw.The league is making it harder to get promoted by having two promotion playoff games and only one relegation playoff game for div. 1. The winner of the Cross Ballyheane game will still have to play the 3rd from bottom team in div 1 in November, i thought it was a summer league, what a joke. There has to be a better system but do the League care enough about div 2. to review it? i doubt it.:mad:

[sinabhuil]

On a 3 up 3 down the way it would work is that the two winners of the divisions 2 go up and the winner of the playoff between the two 2nd place teams go up with the bottom 3 from division 1 going down. The 2nd playoff should not happen. The playoff between the two 2nd teams should occur the week after the league ends. Goal difference should decide league placements. Teams should not be allowed not fulfill fixtures. If they miss a fixture they should be severely fined, with some of the fine going to the other team and some going to the league, and made re-schedule it. This would have the effect of making 'larger' clubs think twice about fielding b and c teams. This would also have the effect of making div 1 more competitive. As stated the league don't care as their main officials come from the larger clubs and have large club leanings. This may not be deliberate but lads that's the way you are. However keep the faith. NoelM good luck on Sunday. Due to work committments I may not be there but will be tuned into midwest. As always keep the ball on the deck and keep it tight at the back.

[NoelM]

On a 3 up 3 down the way it would work is that the two winners of the divisions 2 go up and the winner of the playoff between the two 2nd place teams go up with the bottom 3 from division 1 going down. The 2nd playoff should not happen. The playoff between the two 2nd teams should occur the week after the league ends. Goal difference should decide league placements. Teams should not be allowed not fulfill fixtures. If they miss a fixture they should be severely fined, with some of the fine going to the other team and some going to the league, and made re-schedule it. This would have the effect of making 'larger' clubs think twice about fielding b and c teams. This would also have the effect of making div 1 more competitive. As stated the league don't care as their main officials come from the larger clubs and have large club leanings. This may not be deliberate but lads that's the way you are. However keep the faith. NoelM good luck on Sunday. Due to work committments I may not be there but will be tuned into midwest. As always keep the ball on the deck and keep it tight at the back.
Thanks sinabhuil, we'll need all the help we can get. Unfortunately we have injuries to 2 of our most experienced players, one is out and one is extremely doubtful.

[Cloggs]

Thanks sinabhuil, we'll need all the help we can get. Unfortunately we have injuries to 2 of our most experienced players, one is out and one is extremely doubtful.

hard luck in the game against ballyheane last weekend.were yee unlucky or how did the game go?

[NoelM]

hard luck in the game against ballyheane last weekend.were yee unlucky or how did the game go?

I think so, we were 2-0 down at half time came back to equalise and looked like we would win it missed some good chances. Extra time was a bit of a non-event, both teams very tired. Was very disapointed as some of our penalty takers were heckled during the shootout, you'd expect more from coaches/managers.

[sinabhuil]

Any word on play off game Cross v B'heane B. This whole play off thing is a complete joke. The league is finished for weeks and the two most important games are still not played. Very tough on players. Also finishing 2nd in your league and not getting promoted is harsh. Then having to play two play-off games is even harsher. The format should be changed to 3 up 3 down (1 play off game) or have a division 3 with two up two down, this would give teams something to play for. For most of Div 2 the season is over after a handfull of games. Come on Mayo League listen to the grass roots!

They did listen. Well done.