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galwayhoop
11/10/2006, 11:29 AM
actually i caught the tail end of graham taylor on sky last night and he was saying that unless england do something drastic to nuture their own players the national side will suffer in 10 or 15 years from a lack of players of a high enough internation standard!
this is from a former international manager of a country who have one of the strongest leagues in europe...... if they think they are going to struggle how are we going to do if we don't start looking at our own league to get our ship in order! in short there is not enough players going to or regularly playing for top clubs from this country anymore to sustain us as a top 2 or 3 seed so we will have to try and get ourselves in a position where we can use home based players if required.
if we get the league running to a sufficent standard then players won't feel the need to go overseas to play professional football. and then the elite of our league can step up to a higher level overseas when they are already established in a professional national league
Dodge
11/10/2006, 11:53 AM
The EL fans on here really do have some kind of superiority complex and they dont realise that the attitude thye have actually turns people away from the EL. I am a season ticket holder at Bray and have been for 5 years but I am also a Leeds United fan and go to Elland Road quite a bit as well. It annoys the hell out of me when EL fans look down on you for supporting an English or Scottish side. The fact that EL fans only support EL teams does not make them any better or more knowledgable about football than an Irish person who doesnt support an EL team.
This argument ****es me off more than anything else on here.
1) SOME el fans despise the premiership. I think you'll find the vast, vast majority have an interest in it and couldn't care less if people supported someone else.
2) Nobody has claimed that people who don't go to games don't know football. What some claim is they're not true supporters. BY DEFINITION a football supporter goes to games.
3) If people think that the national team is the be all and end all of Irish football, they absolutely deserve to be mocked. The national team is a tiny bit of it, and if the rest of Irish football was fixed, the national team would pretty much look after itself, its the irony of people slamming the league tht gets people ranting here
4) Anybody who decides not to go to a game becomes some random bloke posts on the internet is a fool, and is looking for excuses not to go. There's no way that person would ever go to a game. NONE.
People are getting too bogged down in the wigs bit, they are a symptom of the type of people who don't deserve to go to games, they're not the cause of it. On a side issue, they look ****ing stupid and I think you'll find most people are against them for this reason alone.
I ****ing hate people who read one/two posts and think that this represents the views of large groups of people. Remember that most people here post on their behlaf and no one elses. We might agree on some aspects but never, ever think that all eL fans think the same. Thats the absolute beauty of being a true football fan, you have opinions on everything
Billy Lord
11/10/2006, 12:42 PM
Well, I have been going to Old Trafford since 1974. I also go to Rome and Stockholm on a regular basis to see football, and have neglected Cardiff City in recent times, while also having a soft spot for St Johnstone in Scotland, whom I've seen a few times.
I love football, and can't understand why people don't support their local clubs. Unless you change allegiances every season, there'll always be 'better' football somewhere other than who you supprt, so that logic doesn't wash. Some people just couldn't be arsed supporting Irish football, that's all.
That's got nothing to do with with clueless Westlife fans wearing Leprechaun suits and green wigs at Lansdowne Road.
Having said that, I've just come across a ticket for tonight and I think I'll go. Unlike the muppets I won't leave before the end and won't be wearing a wig, even though I could do with one.
osarusan
11/10/2006, 12:53 PM
BY DEFINITION a football supporter goes to games.
By whose definition?
I have no problem calling somebody a supporter even if they dont follow the el.
As far as I am concerned, passion for the national team, or knowledge about the game, is not determined by attendance at the el.
By whose definition?
I have no problem calling somebody a supporter even if they dont follow the el.
As far as I am concerned, passion for the national team, or knowledge about the game, is not determined by attendance at the el.
How can you support a team if you don't go to games? And again, I never mentioned el fans or anybody's knowledge of the game
kingp35
11/10/2006, 2:57 PM
How can you support a team if you don't go to games? And again, I never mentioned el fans or anybody's knowledge of the game
This is yet again another stupid statement. By your definition Leeds united can only have 41,000 supporters in the entire world because thats what the ground holds. Same goes for Bray, Derry or whatever, they can only have the amount of supporters that their ground holds.
Are you telling me out of the entire population of Ireland we can only have 35,000 supporters of the national team?
This is yet again another stupid statement. By your definition Leeds united can only have 41,000 supporters in the entire world because thats what the ground holds. Same goes for Bray, Derry or whatever, they can only have the amount of supporters that their ground holds.
Are you telling me out of the entire population of Ireland we can only have 35,000 supporters of the national team?
No, national teams don't count. If you just go to national teams go, you're not a supporter. I'm not going over this again, search for my previous posts on this topic. If you don't go to Leeds games, you're not a supporter. Those leeds fans who go to every game are better fans than those who don't.
And it's not like Leeds sell out their ground every week either.
kingp35
11/10/2006, 3:45 PM
No, national teams don't count. If you just go to national teams go, you're not a supporter. I'm not going over this again, search for my previous posts on this topic. If you don't go to Leeds games, you're not a supporter. Those leeds fans who go to every game are better fans than those who don't.
I agree with you there but you cant say somebody isnt a supporter if they dont go to games. What about the fans on this forum that are living in foreign countries now? They would still consider themselves supporters.
kingp35
11/10/2006, 3:47 PM
And it's not like Leeds sell out their ground every week either.
True but it also doesnt mean that the people that dont go arent supporters, its just the ones that do go would be the hardcore element.
I'll give you an example - many people claim to support Leeds here in Wales.Also, they support Cardiff, because they are glory hunters.They are not real fans, as you cannot support two teams in the same division that are massive rivals!
Billsthoughts
11/10/2006, 4:02 PM
Good. At least you cleared that up. :confused: :confused: :confused:
kingp35
11/10/2006, 4:15 PM
I'll give you an example - many people claim to support Leeds here in Wales.Also, they support Cardiff, because they are glory hunters.They are not real fans, as you cannot support two teams in the same division that are massive rivals!
Ill admit that its strange claiming you support two teams in the one division but I wouldnt say you cant. Anyway if you support a Championship club then you can hardly call someone a Glory Hunter.
Well, I support Sligo Rovers.
kingp35
11/10/2006, 4:24 PM
Sorry I meant to say if somebody supports a Championship club then you cant really call them a glory Hunter.
osarusan
11/10/2006, 4:38 PM
How can you support a team if you don't go to games?
No, national teams don't count.
Those leeds fans who go to every game are better fans than those who don't.
So which games are you talking about, if notnational games or el games?
Can you be a fisherman if you've never went fishing?
No, but fishing is an activity which doesnt really engender passionate feelings towards something which symbolises your nation.
I dont think that the person who watches an Ireland game from their armchair is less pure than one watching from the stands.
So which games are you talking about, if notnational games or el games?
Not neccessarily el games. Club games. If somebody doesn't go to watch real Madrid play, they're not a real madrid supporter. if they don't go to watch Wrexham play they're not a wrexham supporter etc etc.
The only get out clause is they used to go to games but can't physically get to the games now
papa-j
12/10/2006, 10:37 AM
ok so let me get this straight:
eL players are failures who have failed to make it and junior players are going to improve the standard of the national team!
open the doors and let this man loose!!!!
Typical "educated" el supporter who goes on the deffensive and views football with the blinkers on. My posts have nothing to do with the standard of EL or junior players and improving the national team. Its a response to those big headed, snobbish EL people who think they own the game in this country and have the right to tell everyone else how to be proper supporters. My point is that people in junior football put as much if not more into the game than people who go and watch EL matches. The money you spend on travelling to matches etc is nothing compared to the efforts of Schoolboy and junior clubmen/women and children up and down the country. If these people want to have a good day out at an International match so what. Dont be so arrogant and mis informed as to think you can tell them how to dress or behave.
galwayhoop
12/10/2006, 1:32 PM
Typical "educated" el supporter who goes on the deffensive and views football with the blinkers on. My posts have nothing to do with the standard of EL or junior players and improving the national team. Its a response to those big headed, snobbish EL people who think they own the game in this country and have the right to tell everyone else how to be proper supporters. My point is that people in junior football put as much if not more into the game than people who go and watch EL matches. The money you spend on travelling to matches etc is nothing compared to the efforts of Schoolboy and junior clubmen/women and children up and down the country. If these people want to have a good day out at an International match so what. Dont be so arrogant and mis informed as to think you can tell them how to dress or behave.
i think if you "educated" yourself by reading my previous posts you actually might find that i have not attempted to tell anyone on this forum how to dress or behave! save your attacks for those who warrent it. arrogant and misinformed indeed:rolleyes:
as an active junior clubman and also an eL supporter i fell that i am more than entitled to my opinion in this discussion. just because you are obviously involved in junior football dosen't give you any moral high ground, the fact is that the eL is going to be where more and more of the elite footballers in this country are going to come from in the future.
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