Tipp South & District League 2006/07

[Van The Man]

in the CORK AUL there are 11 divisions that are all able to enter the fai or mjc cup,130 teams in total,in the MUNSTER SENIOR LEAGUE,JUNIOR SECTION there are 3 divisions of roughly 30 teams,in the CORK BUSINESS LEAGUE there are 4 divisions with again roughly 40 sides and to cap it off theWEST CORK BOTTLING LEAGUE has 3 divisions at least with about 40 teams,they are all encluded in the CORK regional draw for the fai and mjc,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,thats altogether,,,thats 20 different divisions,roughly 240 teams,,,,,,no other section in the country has to play through that to get to the open round,pardon me but in the stdl theres about 40 sides,and the rest of tipp another 40,thats 80,limerick say 80 and waterford 60,for the sake of it between lim,tipp and watrfd,say 220,thats between 3 entire counties,,,,,,which ever way you look at it,theres abetter chance of reaching the open round of the fai junior or the mjc if your outside of cork,that wether you like it or not is a fact and if any one would like to disagree with me belt away but you cant hide the simple truth,its there for all to see,,,,,,regarding celtic beating grattan,you could be in for a surprise,you can quote me know when i say that if celtic think Grattan are comin up to clon just for a if i was envolved with peakvilla id have a sneakin suspicion that grattan are better that kinsale and if peakvilla have to travel to cork for the next round it wont be a repeat of there last trip,,,,,,,,if celtic think Grattan are travellin up for a day out on the bus and a few pints there on the way to a hammerin,Grattan are a class side,we played um this season,we got to the last 16 of the fai last year and they have beatin us twice,the second time it was like chasin shadows there so good at holdin the ball and they break like lightening,to make matters worse there hard as nails and very fit,twas like playin bloody robots our a team manager said

Hooper, I travelled to Tipperary to see J'boro and Clonmel Town last Sunday, Clonmel Town ran away easy winners and surely have to be a big contender for the FAI this year. I left this game early and travelled around the corner where your "Great" Grattan were playing. They were not as good as you quoted above..they must have obviously played their best football when they played against yerselves, because they were nothing at all like you described..they looked a very young side, and very small, maybe a big midfielder, but he didn't do much running at all, after that they best they had was their right back...they were lucky to come away 3-2 winners I have to admit...Don't know if Peak were watching, but they wouldn't have much to write home about if they were....

[Van The Man]

very surprised with cahir result on sunday
with cahir getting trashed and killester trashing borris
it doesn,t look good for peake villa who could only draw with these two teams lately ????

gratton should be favs to win at home????


That's the joys of cup football.......you only have to look at a few weeks ago when you see Rock beating Town, wo would have seen that, yet Town come out on Sunday and send J'Boro packing...and J'Boro would be no Rock Rovers !!!! So you can't judge any team on previous results...I'm sure every team up's their game for FAI Cup games...Maybe I'm wrong :eek:

[wilhelm2]

You might be right, I'm not one to say but if he is so much in favour of Saints re match times, referees and opposition teams, why does he have Saints A's at 11.00am and their B's at 11.30am this Sunday ? If Lewis was so much in favour wouldn't you think he'd put the fixtures at pm and another at am ???
What really gets to me in the league is when TSDL teams are playing in the FAI or MJC on a Sunday that the league decide to have the B teams play in the am, not that surely doesn't makes sense :confused:
Can anyone tell me if Peak Villa have any players on the Oscar Traynor Team ? Looking at the fixtures for the 27th/28th, I see the Oscar Traynor have a game against the Defence Forces on Sat 27th and Peak have a Tipp Cup game on Sun 28th, surely this can't be correct ???

it all depends on whether the team playomg in the fai/mjc is home or away
if away then the b team should get not a fixture obviously so they can support thir firsts
if fai team is at home then there shouldn,t be a problem with b,s getting an AM fixture either at home (if club has two pitches) or close so they can make it back for big one.???

[wilhelm2]

That's the joys of cup football.......you only have to look at a few weeks ago when you see Rock beating Town, wo would have seen that, yet Town come out on Sunday and send J'Boro packing...and J'Boro would be no Rock Rovers !!!! So you can't judge any team on previous results...I'm sure every team up's their game for FAI Cup games...Maybe I'm wrong :eek:

ok cup football can sprout the odd surprise !
but i think you can judge a team on previous results.
thats how they win trophys , its called consistancy
and clonmel town would be the great example of this

peake and gratton on prevoius results is a very difficult one to call

but my point is for the winner it it doesn,t look good ???????

[hooperlooper]

i agree with some of what you said van,it was'nt the best of games to watch,the pitch was very soft so it took any individual skill from the game and it was just who ever wanted it more as the game wore on,but in all fairness,the first 45 grattan were very nervous and to defensive,you said yourself there a young side who are not used to playin at this stage of the fai junior,they gifted a goal to celtic,and fought hard to claw back to 1 apeice at half time,to be honest we should have gone i n 2.1 up if we had been more clinical in front of goal.the second half was all grattan,celtic never offered much,long balls easily delt with,they struggled with grattans 3.5.2 formation.the center of midfield you say was handy but didnt run much,set up one,and scored one,and its his job to sit in the hole in midfield and not to run much,to give grattan credit,they ran the second half of the game,celtic made 3 changes at the back to try to cope with the grattan strikeer,small quick guy,an he should have had a hat trick,we took the lead with a great 2nd goal,gave away a soft equaliser and up it again to get the winner,it was'nt a classic to watch but the best football was played by grattan,some lovely passing in very congested areas,they tried to play the ball bac to front without just leatherin it,for any team to got to another county,play against one of the top 3 or 4 sides and win 3.2,that is a great result,1 nil,can be lucky,2 or 3 can be a freak result but a 3.2 away win shows grattan are no push overs,they took what was thrown at them by a side that was very highly rated and still did the job,peakvilla are comin down to our back yard so they better be prepared for it and show a little respect,theres a david out there for every goliath

[Van The Man]

Hey hooper, I agree it wasn’t the best of games to watch, the pitch was very soft as are all pitches at this time of the year and yes it does take away any individual skill from the game, but that is two fold, for both teams. Like all games and especially FAI as you said it was just who ever wanted it more. Didn’t see all the 1st half, only came down from the other game with about 10 mins to go to half time. But what is a great bonus for any team is to score just before the break, it builds you up no end. Grattan came out a different team in the 2nd half and looked as if they wanted it more. The formation was 3.5.2 but for the majority of the game when your “small quick guy” got the ball he never seemed to have anyone to aim it at so had to take it on himself (which he wasn’t bad at at all)….As you said it wasn’t a classic, and I agree the best football, on the day, was played by Grattan, but “best” in terms of football wasn’t exceptional. Again as you said, it’s a great feat to go outside any county and bring home a result and that’s exactly what Grattan did and exactly what was asked of them. There is a david out there for every goliath, but peakvilla aren’t the goliath of the Tipp South league, I watched Clonmel Town on Sunday and they certainly rank as the goliath and I have seen St. Michaels before and they would rank up there with them, peak to me would be on par with Clonmel Celtic after seen Clonmel Celtic on Saunday.
Not sure if I’ll make the Grattan and Peak fixture, I’m a decies boy so mileage enters the equation:eek: , any idea when it’s played Sat or Sun ?, or where Grattan play ?

[hooperlooper]

cheers van,the grattan v peakvilla game is sat at 2pm at o'neill park,thats next to apple computers on corks northside,its defenitly on no matter how bad the weather................thanks for the comments on the game,wht did you think of celtics carry on for the penno,not very sporting,,,their website said they were missing a few,true as it may be,losing sides are always missing a few ar'nt they,to be honest they should just admit they were beaten fair and square by the better team on the day,and on the day is when it counts, as i said they payed no respect to grattan and look what happened

[Van The Man]

cheers van,the grattan v peakvilla game is sat at 2pm at o'neill park,thats next to apple computers on corks northside,its defenitly on no matter how bad the weather................thanks for the comments on the game,wht did you think of celtics carry on for the penno,not very sporting,,,their website said they were missing a few,true as it may be,losing sides are always missing a few ar'nt they,to be honest they should just admit they were beaten fair and square by the better team on the day,and on the day is when it counts, as i said they payed no respect to grattan and look what happened

Cheers for the fixture time and venue. Not very sporting is right, but I suppose I can see where they are coming from, they are at home, 2-2 and are after giving away a peno...it's very disheartining for anyone so late in the game. I did overhear someone at the game saying they had two players on long term suspension, but at the end of the day you have to call a spade a spade, everyone has suspensions and injuries and you just have to made do with what you got on the day, and that goes for every team in the FAI Junior Cup...it might be an excuse for some teams, but nobody will ever know if they would have been better with the 2 extra players or not ??
As for the "no respect" things.....were you even in a dressing room and your manager said to you "give these lads a bit of respect"...I don't think I have ever heard that....It's usually...."don't give these lads an ounce of respect" and I'm sure that's said in many a dressing room every weekend.....:D What did you think of the referrees on the day ? It was good to see 3 officials at the game...will that be the same in the cork fixture ?

[hooperlooper]

yep,a ref and 2 linsmen,to be honest as soon as you reach the open stages of the competion its in eveyones best interest to have linesmen,who wants to go out because the ref was not able to spot a blatant off side ect,ect, on the lack of respect thing i was'nt on about the playing side as such,i just ment in general,they were looking forward to the peakvilla game on their website and their league site b4 a ball was even kicked against grattan,i wonder did they even check to see what kind of form grattan had been showing all season,me looking at the game i dont think havin any of their players back would hae changed much,it was like they just couldnt raise their game ,they didnt have the bottle to give it a go,i know they are a decent side but i expected a lot more,i can tell you that grattan will not go out of this competion without a fight,they havent lost or drawn a game all season in any competion over 90 or 120 mins,thats in the top league in cork and against the best msl junior sides as well,everybody dreams a little dream younever know,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,come on the GRATTS

[shannonsider69]

yep,a ref and 2 linsmen,to be honest as soon as you reach the open stages of the competion its in eveyones best interest to have linesmen,who wants to go out because the ref was not able to spot a blatant off side ect,ect, on the lack of respect thing i was'nt on about the playing side as such,i just ment in general,they were looking forward to the peakvilla game on their website and their league site b4 a ball was even kicked against grattan,i wonder did they even check to see what kind of form grattan had been showing all season,me looking at the game i dont think havin any of their players back would hae changed much,it was like they just couldnt raise their game ,they didnt have the bottle to give it a go,i know they are a decent side but i expected a lot more,i can tell you that grattan will not go out of this competion without a fight,they havent lost or drawn a game all season in any competion over 90 or 120 mins,thats in the top league in cork and against the best msl junior sides as well,everybody dreams a little dream younever know,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,come on the GRATTS

Hahaha now theres a contentious point about having a ref and linesmen, did anyone notice anything strange about the standard of refereeing/linesmen at the Town V Janesboro game? It brought the phrase home town refereeing to a whole new level. Nine Janesboro players booked, and only two Town players. And at least on three occasions did Town players deliberately go in over the ball and stamp down on players in front of the referee who actually turned his back. Not to mention the linesman who was flagging for Janesboro foul throws even though he was 30 yards up the line. Sickening stuff and pathetic. Town will find it alot harder to progress if they get an away draw lets wait and see :ball:

[jug2004]

obvioulsy a janesboro supporter yes? i agree that the referee was somewhat bias, but then you have to agree all the boro players did was tackle late and argue with the ref! at least 3 were boked for mouthin off no? I was at the game too and to be honest take the ref out of the game janesboro were beaten fair and square, tell me,had ye one meaningful shot on goal in the whole game, don't even think the town keeper was worked was he?, and still you'll complain, the boro keeper was outstanding makin 3 r 4 blinding saves in the second half alone, which all put together would suggest ye were beaten by the better team. As for the linesman get it right he wasn't calling for fowl throws, it was for the player throwing the ball coming onto the pitch while throwing so i believe he was well within the rules of the game, just admit it ye were outplayed and more importantly out battled!:eek:

[pearse4t3]

obvioulsy a janesboro supporter yes? i agree that the referee was somewhat bias, but then you have to agree all the boro players did was tackle late and argue with the ref! at least 3 were boked for mouthin off no? I was at the game too and to be honest take the ref out of the game janesboro were beaten fair and square, tell me,had ye one meaningful shot on goal in the whole game, don't even think the town keeper was worked was he?, and still you'll complain, the boro keeper was outstanding makin 3 r 4 blinding saves in the second half alone, which all put together would suggest ye were beaten by the better team. As for the linesman get it right he wasn't calling for fowl throws, it was for the player throwing the ball coming onto the pitch while throwing so i believe he was well within the rules of the game, just admit it ye were outplayed and more importantly out battled!:eek:
There is know doubt that Clonmel deserved to win but i would agree with shannonsider that the standard of the referreing was poor to say the least, there was a clear free out in the lead up to the second goal which totally changed the game,also in the first half the ref called a Clonmel player towards him and as the player approached he hit a Janesboro player on the face with his elbow,its unbelievable how he got away with that.

[jug2004]

hooperlooper firstly good to see someone outside the league writing in. Was at the end of the game the other day, i too was over watching the town game and i have to say that grattan totally deserved their win. To be honest celtic huffed and puffed an awful lot but then again thats all they ever do. But be careful this weekend should be a totally different game. To put things in context its only been celtic players bragging about the football they play and their standard and no one else in the league, i have seen them enough over the years to know that in pubs they talk a good game but when it comes to it they (like last sunday) will only huff and puff. Tip football has only been about michaels and town in recent years but thankfully peake villa look like they are on the way back, which is most welcome. They will go to ye and play football and have some of the best players in the league playing for them on their day. Like ye they are not too physical and prefer to play the ball and had an extremely good win dwn in kinsale in the last round, hopefully it will be a good game for the neutral i should get down to it and may the best team win on the day :D

[jug2004]

pearse you have valid points but on a number of occasions janesboro players could have got sent off also, you seem to have only saw one incident in the game, as a neutral i don't like to take sides but i watched the captian of janesboro in particular for a lot of the game and to say he wasn't a dirty player is an understatement(even when the ball was gone) alot of things went unnoticed in the game on both sides,true the standard is quiet poor with probably only one or two refs capable of refereeing at that level in tipp, but what can ya do its the tsdl committee that appoint them and not the fault of the clonmel players or club!

[shannonsider69]

obvioulsy a janesboro supporter yes? i agree that the referee was somewhat bias, but then you have to agree all the boro players did was tackle late and argue with the ref! at least 3 were boked for mouthin off no? I was at the game too and to be honest take the ref out of the game janesboro were beaten fair and square, tell me,had ye one meaningful shot on goal in the whole game, don't even think the town keeper was worked was he?, and still you'll complain, the boro keeper was outstanding makin 3 r 4 blinding saves in the second half alone, which all put together would suggest ye were beaten by the better team. As for the linesman get it right he wasn't calling for fowl throws, it was for the player throwing the ball coming onto the pitch while throwing so i believe he was well within the rules of the game, just admit it ye were outplayed and more importantly out battled!:eek:

Somewhat bias? I agree with pearse and no doubt Town deserved the win alright but not the way they did it. There were bookings for dissent but to say the Janesboro players were frustrated with the disgraceful refereeing would be an understatement. Janesboro spent alot of the game defending and failed to create any clear cut chances and that has to be down to Towns play. However booking a guy in the first 3 minutes of the game highlighted to me exactly what Janesboro were going to get, or not get as the case was for the entire game. Out battled and out played yes. Ravaged from behind by the officials definitely :eek:

[jug2004]

look there was bias no doubt i just agreed there with pearse in the last post and i said that few refs are upto that standard in tipperary, very few, you can call it ravaged if you like but then clonmel town don't appoint the refs the league do! You cannot hold the players accountable for that, the fact still remains janesboro were outplayed, such games are decided on mistakes and in particular the first goal which was a gift,i think this frustrated ye're players just as much as the ref did,ye're line didn't seem to help much to be honest as they were on the refs back from the first whistle,no dispespect but what happened ye on sunday that ye showed so little, ye are top in limerick and progressing well no?:D

[hooperlooper]

thanks jug,michaels and clon town are 2 of the best sides in the country and a credit to the tsdl,down in cork we are trying to bring up the junior standard but its hard mainly because of the amount of teams,if a guy dosent like playin with a team one week he joins another in the bar next door the next week,outside of cork it seem that there are less teams and smaller leagues but that if anything is a bonus to those leagues,fewer sides means guys have to try harder to develope there skills to get a game which is a great thing,we will always suffer in rebel county because there are too many teams and not enough commitment,grattan and kinsale are about the best because they are always looking at players and trying to bring good young players through,grattans team of 16 players from the game against celtic,all but one played there underage football with NUFARM just down the road from O'Neill park and NUFARM activley encourage there players to play with Grattan when they finish minor bedause the two clubs have a good relationship and want the areas best players to play with sides from there area

[Van The Man]

hooperlooper firstly good to see someone outside the league writing in. Was at the end of the game the other day, i too was over watching the town game and i have to say that grattan totally deserved their win. To be honest celtic huffed and puffed an awful lot but then again thats all they ever do. But be careful this weekend should be a totally different game. To put things in context its only been celtic players bragging about the football they play and their standard and no one else in the league, i have seen them enough over the years to know that in pubs they talk a good game but when it comes to it they (like last sunday) will only huff and puff. Tip football has only been about michaels and town in recent years but thankfully peake villa look like they are on the way back, which is most welcome. They will go to ye and play football and have some of the best players in the league playing for them on their day. Like ye they are not too physical and prefer to play the ball and had an extremely good win dwn in kinsale in the last round, hopefully it will be a good game for the neutral i should get down to it and may the best team win on the day :D

Not too familiar with Clonmel Celtic, would have seen them on Sunday and maybe once during the season….but as you say yourself, braggin doesn’t do much for any team, it’s on the pitch where it shows and obviously Clonmel Celtic did all their talking off the pitch !! I keep a close eye from the waterford border and it’s true about Tipp football only been about Michaels and C.Town in recent years and I myself have seen an improvement in peakvilla over the years and it’s a welcome change to see a new team contending for honours. Even this season they knocked St. michales out of the FAI and I think last season as well.
For two teams that play “football”, peak and grattan, I’m just hoping the weather conditions improve the way we can see good football been played by both sides on the day…:ball:

[munsterman000]

yep,a ref and 2 linsmen,to be honest as soon as you reach the open stages of the competion its in eveyones best interest to have linesmen,who wants to go out because the ref was not able to spot a blatant off side ect,ect, on the lack of respect thing i was'nt on about the playing side as such,i just ment in general,they were looking forward to the peakvilla game on their website and their league site b4 a ball was even kicked against grattan,i wonder did they even check to see what kind of form grattan had been showing all season,me looking at the game i dont think havin any of their players back would hae changed much,it was like they just couldnt raise their game ,they didnt have the bottle to give it a go,i know they are a decent side but i expected a lot more,i can tell you that grattan will not go out of this competion without a fight,they havent lost or drawn a game all season in any competion over 90 or 120 mins,thats in the top league in cork and against the best msl junior sides as well,everybody dreams a little dream younever know,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,come on the GRATTS

I have to say, being a Clonmel Celtic supporter and having watched the match last Sunday that the above is a little unfair. Any impression given from the website that Celtic took Grattan lightly is way off the mark. Firstly, the reports are written by a committee member who doesn't have close links to the manager or players. Secondly the manager had arranged to watch Grattan against Tramore prior to its postponement, other commitments meant he never got to see them but being originally from cork (played for Leeds schoolboys) he was fully aware of their results last season and this season. He had spoken to several people in Cork about how Grattan played and drummed it into the players all week about how tough it was going to be.

Grattan were full value for their win, played the better football and look a decent team but the team that they played against was drastically short of being the full Celtic team. I know every team has suspensions and injuries but there would be a very strong case made for saying that Celtic were short of their FIVE Best players ( John Ryan in goal, Cosgrave, Graham Doyle and Danny Madigan in midfield and Paul Kennedy up front). I'd imagine that anyone with any knowledge of Clonmel football would agree. Whereas Celtic have a decent eleven or twelve they don't have the depth to cope with that. I think that even with those players back it would have been a close game but without them it was near impossible. All the real fans knew this before the game and it was a surprise that it was as close as it was, questioning their bottle is a little ill informed.

I still see Grattan as going out against Peake Villa though. Villa are a better football side and if at full strength will beat them handy. In any case Grattan wouldn't have a hope in hell against Clonmel Town who (unfortunately) are a a level above all of us.

Also, I'm a little confused by the comments from others about 'Celtic players talking a good game in the pub'. All of the players know we are scrapping behind Town and Michaels and in a great year might finish above one of them (St. Olivers in 2002), but we'll not win the league. The Tipp cup might be a possibility (as town are out) but it's still a remote possibility. I've never heard players saying anything other than this, I mean we've never even beat town! So any comments about 'Celtic players talking a good game in the pub' is bull, I'd love to know who the players were supposed to be and what they were supposed to have said. i'd imagine its just made up.

[Van The Man]

thanks jug,michaels and clon town are 2 of the best sides in the country and a credit to the tsdl,down in cork we are trying to bring up the junior standard but its hard mainly because of the amount of teams,if a guy dosent like playin with a team one week he joins another in the bar next door the next week,outside of cork it seem that there are less teams and smaller leagues but that if anything is a bonus to those leagues,fewer sides means guys have to try harder to develope there skills to get a game which is a great thing,we will always suffer in rebel county because there are too many teams and not enough commitment,grattan and kinsale are about the best because they are always looking at players and trying to bring good young players through,grattans team of 16 players from the game against celtic,all but one played there underage football with NUFARM just down the road from O'Neill park and NUFARM activley encourage there players to play with Grattan when they finish minor bedause the two clubs have a good relationship and want the areas best players to play with sides from there area

Hooper, outside of cork there are less teams and smaller leagues is correct, but you have to pit that against the population of the areas as well, so I’m sure if you did your calculations and see the population of cork V population of Tipp V no of teams in Tipp and Cork, it might just throw up a surprise to you..Unfortunately in Tipp South blooding new players from youth level is few and far between. In div 1 of the youth league, there are 3 teams and in division 2 youth league there is 5 teams. Now if you look at the total amount of Junior teams which is 42, and 8 youth teams servicing these junior sides you have to agree that it’s not as easy as you think to have a good side in the TSDL when the majority of teams don’t have a youth system coming through. The youth system seemed better years ago and there was a constant influx of youth players onto their junior teams but that has dwindled in recent years. A lot of the faces in junior sides in the TSDL are faces that have been around for a long long time with the exception of Town and Michaels who have a good youth system going. One wonders in the future when the ageing players retire where will the players come from if there is no youth team to service any club !!! :confused: That's just my own spin on things...

[hooperlooper]

to munsterman000 i would say you have learned nothing if you still contrive to write grattan off,the majority of footballing opinion in cork suggest that grattan are the team that are going to knock kinsale off there perch,i watched peake against kinsale,kinsale through it away by theirs and peakes own addmission,the fai junior is won with skill determination and above all heart,i talk it the way i see it,maybe its because we are not of the same standard in cork as the likes of clon or st mics,but it is not being fair to discount all other ides because of you watchin them 4 90mins,once,facts are facts,grattan are unbeaten in any competion over 90 or 120 mins,maybe clon or st mics too,even peake so by defination they deserve as much respect,buy you base your opinion on you watchin a team from cork play and beat one of your top sides on there own patch on a bog of a pitch,the worst i can say of grattan is that they tried to play to much ball against celtic,they are not interested in kickin fellas or gettin envolved off the ball like the jansborough v clon game,they did not mix it enough against a side who just wanted to hoof it from end to end and ran around like a bunch of cattle,no formation,just a good left back,a good midfielder,no 7 and a young fella up front who put ye all to shame with the fantastic effort he put in,credit to him,all grattan wanted to do was play ball,if peake come to cork and win i will be the first one to congratulate them,but first they have to win and i'd say they wont be takin grattan lightly,its all what you do on the day,last week,or last year counts for nothing,,,,,,,,,,,,,,come on the gratts

[munsterman000]

Fair play hooperlooper, if Grattan go through against Peake I'll be the first to congratulate you. I'm probably being a little unfair to you but again like you've done with Clonmel Celtic I'm only judging on what I saw. I'd just like to revise what i said above in that 'Peake will beat them handy', that's not really what i meant. Yeah i think Peake will win but, in cork it'll most likely be fairly close.

[hooperlooper]

thanks for the support and the comments,we may be a little off the mark as standards go with regards to clon or st mics but we are a young side and skill will come along the way with a bit more experience,we may not be good enough to win the fai or even beat peake according to the more knowledgeable out there but right know its about given our young team some fantastic experience playin against the best junior sides in ireland and that will give them more of a hunger for the fai open rounds in the years to come so at the moment the players cant wait for the game,i just hope the weather holds,dont know even if it dose the way the pitchs are in general right now all over the country i personally think it will go to who ever is willing to battle the hardest and right now they have plenty of heart and i'd take 11 with heart over skill any day on what is going to be a wet day and a soft pitch,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,we live in hope and GOD dose'nt want a cork side to win the fai junior cup cause he thinks we have won enough with the hurlin and football over the years,never mind rockmount,marys,avondale and collage corinthians and that other shower of wasters city all bringin silverware down to rebel HQ,HE CAN TRY TO KEEP US WET BUT HE WILL NEVER KEEP US DOWN,,,,,,,,COME ON THE GRATTS:) and .........................................PS LET LIMERICK BACK IN TO THE FAI PREMIER LEAGUE YE WASTERS UN IN MERRION SQUARE,GOB****ES

[hooperlooper]

thanks for the support and the comments,we may be a little off the mark as standards go with regards to clon or st mics but we are a young side and skill will come along the way with a bit more experience,we may not be good enough to win the fai or even beat peake according to the more knowledgeable out there but right know its about given our young team some fantastic experience playin against the best junior sides in ireland and that will give them more of a hunger for the fai open rounds in the years to come so at the moment the players cant wait for the game,i just hope the weather holds,dont know even if it dose the way the pitchs are in general right now all over the country i personally think it will go to who ever is willing to battle the hardest and right now they have plenty of heart and i'd take 11 with heart over skill any day on what is going to be a wet day and a soft pitch,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,we live in hope and GOD dose'nt want a cork side to win the fai junior cup cause he thinks we have won enough with the hurlin and football over the years,never mind rockmount,marys,avondale and collage corinthians and that other shower of wasters city all bringin silverware down to rebel HQ,HE CAN TRY TO KEEP US WET BUT HE WILL NEVER KEEP US DOWN,,,,,,,,COME ON THE GRATTS:) ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,PS LET LIMERICK BACK INTO FAI FOOTBALL FOR THE GOOD OF THE GAME YE GOB****ES UP IN MERRION SQUARE

[balls]

congrats to grattan took there 2 chances and got 2 goals. peake were better side i taught but thats cup football

[tippsouth]

ya i agree peake were d better side bt on d day grattan wanted to win it more nd dats wat fai junior cups are all about. has to be said fair play to grattan united who gave half the gate reciepts to peake. i think its a nice touch and should be the same for all once you get outside the area. cant see them beatin pike though. town and kilester should be a good one

[the only 1]

ya i agree peake were d better side bt on d day grattan wanted to win it more nd dats wat fai junior cups are all about. has to be said fair play to grattan united who gave half the gate reciepts to peake. i think its a nice touch and should be the same for all once you get outside the area. cant see them beatin pike though. town and kilester should be a good one

you never know on in 2weeks pike picked up two bad injuries to major players today when they beat wembly 3nil in the mjc

[hooperlooper]

i am greatfull for all the positive comments regarding grattan giving half the gate recipts to peake,its in the fai rule book that you have to charge a minimum 3 to 5 euro entrance from the 4th round onwards,a 60/40 split between the 2 clubs,60 % home and 40% away,we gave it to peake,clonmel did not give it to us,thats what you call bad loser.in relation to the comments being made regardin peake bein the better football team i do not agree with them ,we are all entitled to our opinion but i feel that the comments being made are buy supporters of peake and of the tsdl league in general,i appriciate that,but to be totally fair,peakevilla did not creat much on the day,maybe 2 chances,a lot of very well delivered corners and frees when they got them,a fratuitious goal,when a grattan defenders arse had diverted the ball to peaks best player,and he duely scored,no problems with that,grattan put a lot of pressur and got a goal by using the conditions to there benifit,a long free kick down the throat of the keeper,the center back missed the header and the keeper did not have time to readjust,ball in the peakvilla net,if peake were honest,a good side they are,but they never really caused grattan any problems until the grattan players butt made there oppertuinity,which they duly took,they did have there best spell of the game for the last 15 mins of the game but grattan always seemed dangerious on the break,grattan got a good goal in the first period of xtra time,peakevilla switched off and grattan pounced,peake never had it in reserve to claw there way back,but respect is due to them,good players,good manager good club BUT,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,grattan played peake off the park,they chased everything,never gave peake a chance,back 3 were rock solid,forced peake to belt balls long and grattans back 3 are all over 6'2,dealt with it all day,grattan had 5 in midfield,peake couldnt deal with that either,and the small quick forward that drove clon celtic mad did the same to peake,dont get me wrong peake are good,but they could nt raise there game and find that somthin to get a reult,grattan did,,,,,,,,,,,finally grattan were supposed to be easy pickins for clonmel celtic,and after we beat them some **** in a fai bannered ford people carrier told me that we wouldnt beat peake,not a hope in hell were his exact words,to him i offer you my middle finger with the attached slogan,talk is cheap,no doubt some one from limerick or tipp will say that pike are going to beat grattan,we take that on the chin,but last years fai winners means nothin on the day,how many fai finals or how many semis you have reached means nothin,what you do on they day means everything,grattan have spirit and a raw agression matched with skill,ask anyone at the game what they thought of grattans outside right,skinny guy, our captain,best player on the park according to peake secretary,nice man,and id take spirit and hard work over skill any day ,would it be so hard for some one to just admit that though their individual clubsides are good,grattan were better on the day and they will be hard to beat on the day down in cork and that they are a strong side,come on the gratts:p

[Tipperary_Man]

i herd a rumour that there was a war amongst the peake villa camp after the match against grattan?? can hooperlooper or any1else shed some light on this???

[hooperlooper]

i spoke to the grattan sec and he said nothin,except that they were very dissapointed, and after they had showered they would not be comin back to grattans bar for grub just headin straight home,nice lads durin the game and there supporters were A1,not a dirthy side mind you, good footballers just couldnt find that physcial edge that grattan had to beat them.:)

[stevie11]

Dat rumour about peake has been flying around..Dere was supposed to of being a huge brawl in de dressing room after de game,wil dat be de end of peakes season now,never know may go downhill after dat?????Any suggestions on Clonmel Towns chances up in Killester!!Killester obviously fav for de FAI but surely after Town knocking out Crystal (in a battle) and Jainsboro(comfortably)they have a great chance of beating Killester,even up there!!!(Any suggestions??) Town are a gud cup team and i wish them all de best!!!Def tie of the round..:ball: :ball: :ball:

[allab]

you never know on in 2weeks pike picked up two bad injuries to major players today when they beat wembly 3nil in the mjc

who got injured??

[Van The Man]

Hooper, congrats on your victory at the weekend. I made the journey over to Cork to have a look at the game. Firstly, credit has to go to both teams, management and supporters of both clubs for putting up with wind, rain, hail, cold and sunshine last weekend. It was the most unsavoury conditions to be playing and supporting FAI Junior Cup football. Luckily enough I came well prepared, not that my brolly got much use with the wind, hence me been perched nicely in front of the dressing room containers :eek: Unfortunately it wasn’t a day for football, so we didn’t see the best of any of those teams on the day, it was certainly a game of attaching and defending, attacking with the breeze and defending against it and at the end of the day, luck prevailed when it came to scoring chances. Two long range free kicks for grattan and a rebounded clearance for peak was as good as the goals came. Not any great football from any of these sides on the day, again the weather stopped all notions of football been played and a soft pitch (which you can only expect at this time of year). As you mentioned before hooper, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and coming from a neutral stand, I couldn’t see peak or grattan advance any further in the competition. Whilst both gave 100% on the day their 100% lacks the 100% I have witnessed with Clonmel Town and Killester that I have seen (granted the two of them are pitted against each other next round). I wasn’t too impressed with the referee, stephens. I have seen him ref before and he seemed to blow a lot for little jossles on both sides and didn’t really allow hard challenges for either team, which I was disappointed with. Needless to say it was a good sporting game with no ungentlemanly tackles so credit due again to both teams. There wasn’t many chances created by either team on the day, wheather that was a reflection on the weather or good defending on both sides…I tend to disagree with your “grattan played peak off the pitch”….how can you say that when it was just continous attacking but any team who had the wind at their backs and defending by those who were against it…But who is the better team can’t be judged, all football is judged on is the result at the end of the day, and grattan had the result at the end of the day and that’s what counts ! Pike will have a hard time coming out of their with a result, the very tight pitch (which is very tight I have to admit) mightn’t suit Pike’s footballing side at all and grattan might just pull off a surprise…but I’ll stick with Pike to advance, no disrespect to Grattan hooper :cool:

[Van The Man]

Dat rumour about peake has been flying around..Dere was supposed to of being a huge brawl in de dressing room after de game,wil dat be de end of peakes season now,never know may go downhill after dat?????Any suggestions on Clonmel Towns chances up in Killester!!Killester obviously fav for de FAI but surely after Town knocking out Crystal (in a battle) and Jainsboro(comfortably)they have a great chance of beating Killester,even up there!!!(Any suggestions??) Town are a gud cup team and i wish them all de best!!!Def tie of the round..:ball: :ball: :ball:

Stevie11, you obviously like cocking your ear to the rumour mill !!! I attended the game and credit to both sides on their conduct on and off the field. Two clean footballing sides with two great sets of supporters. Obvioulsy one side is going to be dissapointed after the game, but I stayed around after the game chatting to people from both clubs and there wasn't any hint of a "hugh brawl" as you put it amongst the peak club and I'm sure hooper will agree with me there. At the same time, looking at the size of the dressing rooms, their wouldn't be enough room to have a brawl !!!! So I think you should stay out of the rumour mill for a while.

Clonmel V Killester def the tie of the next round. After watching both teams previously it would be hard to call a winner in this tie....Home advantage in Hatton Park for Killester is always good. But both are similar style , good footballing sides with great players 1-11 and good reserves on the bench.....I'll leave my prediction on this one simmer for a while......

[Tipperary_Man]

a few people have said to me that one of the peake players was supposed to have gotten a headbutt off someone involved with the club and that's coming from thurles people themselves!! if the rumours are true then i can't see peake being up to much for the rest of the season, it could be like a timebomb waiting to go off

but away from that, clonmel killester game looks like a cracker, pity its on in dublin as i would have made the trip over to see if it was on in clonmel, i fancy the winner of that match to make the final

[hooperlooper]

to all those who will go on with there bitchin regardin Peake Villa's apparent behaviour after their game in Cork i have been on to the Grattan SEC and he asked me to put out this offical statement regarding the rumors. ''Grattan would like to have it known that at no point did any fracas or fight take place between the either Peake players or Supporters during or after the game,there players and supporters were very well behaved and a credit to there club,the Grattan dressing rooms are quite small and only the team and manager/coach were allowed entry to them,any stories that have beer bounding about have no doubt either been started by some one who would like to discredit Peake or talking about something that should be no ones business bar Peake.''

[Tipperary_Man]

hooper will ya relax, i was just saying what i heard and i wasn't the only one who heard the rumours. apologies for being wrong and i was not trying to discredit anyone!

[hooperlooper]

the worst thing that the peake villa crowd got up to in the dressin rooms was that they left 2 full boxes of jaffa cakes on the floor when they left,that half our b side ate b4 there game on sunday in the quater final of the presidents cup,which they won 5.1 away,so thanks again peake they were the job;)

[Van The Man]

to all those who will go on with there bitchin regardin Peake Villa's apparent behaviour after their game in Cork i have been on to the Grattan SEC and he asked me to put out this offical statement regarding the rumors. ''Grattan would like to have it known that at no point did any fracas or fight take place between the either Peake players or Supporters during or after the game,there players and supporters were very well behaved and a credit to there club,the Grattan dressing rooms are quite small and only the team and manager/coach were allowed entry to them,any stories that have beer bounding about have no doubt either been started by some one who would like to discredit Peake or talking about something that should be no ones business bar Peake.''

Here Here hooper......lets close the book on it now......

[Tipperary_Man]

does anyone have the tipp oscar traynor panel for this weekend's fixture against the defence forces??

[hooperlooper]

grattan peake quater final is just for dreamin,grattan have to beat lee rangers first,then regional from limerick,then a limerick first division side just to get to peake,who by the way if they beat ferrybank have to go back down to rebel central to play kinsale and win again just to be able to play grattan in the quater finals back down in rebel central,i,the odds are to much to even be worth a bet.......................................

[munsterman000]

i am greatfull for all the positive comments regarding grattan giving half the gate recipts to peake,its in the fai rule book that you have to charge a minimum 3 to 5 euro entrance from the 4th round onwards,a 60/40 split between the 2 clubs,60 % home and 40% away,we gave it to peake,clonmel did not give it to us,thats what you call bad loser.:p

Congratulations to Grattan on a great win against Peake Villa and fair play for the sharing of the gate receipts. Hope you progress in the next round and keep the run going. Regarding the above I've said it to some club members and this was a genuine oversight apparently, the people involved were not aware of said rule and it is a situation that they had never come across on any of our previous (admittedly few) away trips beyond the fourth round. But as for the bad loser remark there's such a thing as a bad winner too, you should try to be a little gracious mate. By the way, did you notice that a huge amount of the Grattan traveling support didn't bother paying in at all as the main bus just drove straight in through the gate at the Celtic game?

[jug2004]

look i'm sorry but i have to say this, i am closely linked with peake villa and i know for fact that an incident occured after the grattan game between a member of the committee and a player so ye can all stop B****in about hte rumour mill but some things really have to brought to light, it was an abolute disgrace what went on that day and all because only SOME of the peake committee were feelin bad after gettin beaten, thats the reason they wouldn't stop for the food after because of sour grapes, and to further prove my point in those committee members not allowing the players the food layed on why would they then stop at another venue on there way home. This is something i fear that may well ruin the season for peake, some parts of junior football will remain rotten i fear!!:o

[Van The Man]

look i'm sorry but i have to say this, i am closely linked with peake villa and i know for fact that an incident occured after the grattan game between a member of the committee and a player so ye can all stop B****in about hte rumour mill but some things really have to brought to light, it was an abolute disgrace what went on that day and all because only SOME of the peake committee were feelin bad after gettin beaten, thats the reason they wouldn't stop for the food after because of sour grapes, and to further prove my point in those committee members not allowing the players the food layed on why would they then stop at another venue on there way home. This is something i fear that may well ruin the season for peake, some parts of junior football will remain rotten i fear!!:o

Cheers jug2004 for clarifing that for us. Obviously Peak is close to heart for you and I respect that. Thanks for clearing up the situation and hope all turns out well for yee for the rest of the season.

Best of luck to Gratts against Pike.....

and hooper you never know, a Peak V Gratts rematch might come about yet in the MJC.....Stranger things have happened :eek:

[Van The Man]

does anyone have the tipp oscar traynor panel for this weekend's fixture against the defence forces??


Anybody anything on the TSDL Oscar Panal for the weekend ?

[jug2004]

think the OT panel is top secret for the game, so much so that the players themselves don't even know about the game. The situation in tipp is gone to pot!!!! You could compare it to Saipan at this stage. 1 hour before the game against waterford players were being asked to ring friends to see would they tog out, 13 players there at the time and 3 of them keepers!!! The OT will always need a delegate from Michaels and Clonmel to ensure all their players play.....all the same though i'm not taking anything away from the team that played against waterford they were superb and deserved their draw on the night!!!:)

[tippsouth]

seems ta me jug2004 that ur only stirin s**t. all d stuff ur sayin, u dont mention one source and if you are d source den who u r! look we all know that alot of stuff happens in all clubs. take michael's for example, we've all heard the rumours bt at the end of d day it all stays behind closed doors, where it shud be. if u dont ave d balls to sign ur name at d end of such a statment den u shudnt be postin it in the first place.

[Van The Man]

seems ta me jug2004 that ur only stirin s**t. all d stuff ur sayin, u dont mention one source and if you are d source den who u r! look we all know that alot of stuff happens in all clubs. take michael's for example, we've all heard the rumours bt at the end of d day it all stays behind closed doors, where it shud be. if u dont ave d balls to sign ur name at d end of such a statment den u shudnt be postin it in the first place.

At the end of the day Tippsouth, do we all here really need to get into "the source" ? As you said all clubs, country wide, encounter problems during the year and all sorts of rumours are spread, be they true or not...but that's football. At the end of the day, this isn't the place to be naming and shaming people from particular clubs. Now.....back to the football...:ball:

[tippsouth]

i cudnt agree with u ny more van d man. bt dats my problem, this guy is comin on makin such accusations and then hasnt d balls ta say who he is. i mean if thats the case i cud go nd tell d daily star david beckham had n affair. i think they'd look for a source name before going wrecking someones reputation dont u.

anyways on another more important soccer related topic, hooper i cant see a villa grattan re-match. ta be honest should villa overcome ferrybank, i cant see them beatin kinsale down dare again especially wen day had so many players out injured da last day.

anyone know when the town killester game is on?

[jug2004]

look tipp south we all have log in names for a reason, i only stated what i know for FACT and this sort of **** should be put out of football, without highlightin such events things will just continue this way in clubs no? Case closed from my end!

The game with killester and town is down on the web site for next sunday i think, should be a cracker but like others have said it seems that killester on there day are a cut above anything in junior football in the country especially with a marksman like keogh up front, the man seems to be lethal! But then again its cup football and no-one knows what will happen on the day...personally i could like to see peake gettign through it would be great for the league but first things first next sunday should be their FAI cup final!

I know a few ferrybank players and they fancy thier chances but them comin to thurles is a big advantage for peake! i think peake should get through and then we'll see what hapens after that i think that game is in the same day as killester and town :ball: