View Full Version : Cascarino on O'Leary: "I just don't like him"
Scram
01/08/2006, 12:17 PM
good piece !
Have to agree, he was lucky and Leeds but who wouldn't be after spending £120 million. Not a good manager by any means and always ready with the blame game (as with Mr. Kerr). Can't see him back in The Premiership.
Emmet
01/08/2006, 12:53 PM
Cascarino is a crap journalist, manager, player and person.
Have you ever actually met him? What teams has he managed?
O'Leary willl be back in the Premiership alright but he'll never manage the likes of Arsenal, Liverpool, Man Utd and Chelsea ...
NeilMcD
01/08/2006, 1:04 PM
Cascarino has never managed cause he does not have the balls or the talen to do it. At least O Leary has tried to do it and has had relative success at Leeds and done ok at Villa. I dont need to have met him as he says in his book the things that he has done. So i will judge a person on the actions they make rather than the things they say. As I said earlier he has no right to bring person aspects of O Learys life into articles about his management etc. This is not the 1st time, I would reckon there at least 10 articles out there by Cascarino where he has person digs at O Leary. His journalism is **** poor because he knows very little about the tactics of football or what it takes to be a top player because he was rubbish himself. He is a low life who hangs around with low lifes. Yet people on here are willing to defend him and have a go at O Leary. You dont see O Leary gambling with crooks or gangsters.
Cascarino has never managed cause he does not have the balls or the talen to do it. At least O Leary has tried to do it and has had relative success at Leeds and done ok at Villa. I dont need to have met him as he says in his book the things that he has done. So i will judge a person on the actions they make rather than the things they say. As I said earlier he has no right to bring person aspects of O Learys life into articles about his management etc. This is not the 1st time, I would reckon there at least 10 articles out there by Cascarino where he has person digs at O Leary. His journalism is **** poor because he knows very little about the tactics of football or what it takes to be a top player because he was rubbish himself. He is a low life who hangs around with low lifes. Yet people on here are willing to defend him and have a go at O Leary.
A lot of that may well be true - I just think that you're devaluing your own posts by stating things that are completely inaccurate. Cascarino being a crap manager when he has never managed ... him being a crap person when you've never met him (I mean, seriously, could I or anyone else on here form an accurate assessment of you as a person based on your previous ten posts?)
You dont see O Leary gambling with crooks or gangsters.
I'm sorry but what O'Leary did at Leeds was a gamble that Cascarino could only ever dream about making ... it was gamble that indirectly resulted in the team being relegated, losing high-quality players for a fraction of their true value, and in hundreds of staff working at the club being made redundant. Ridsdale was responsible too of course but it was O'Leary who signed those players and it was O'Leary who failed to win anything with them.
NeilMcD
01/08/2006, 1:38 PM
A lot of that may well be true - I just think that you're devaluing your own posts by stating things that are completely inaccurate. Cascarino being a crap manager when he has never managed ... him being a crap person when you've never met him (I mean, seriously, could I or anyone else on here form an accurate assessment of you as a person based on your previous ten posts?)
I'm sorry but what O'Leary did at Leeds was a gamble that Cascarino could only ever dream about making ... it was gamble that indirectly resulted in the team being relegated, losing high-quality players for a fraction of their true value, and in hundreds of staff working at the club being made redundant. Ridsdale was responsible too of course but it was O'Leary who signed those players and it was O'Leary who failed to win anything with them.
Well anybody who has never managed or or even tried it out its obvious he has not talent managment. He could barely play the game and manage his own life never mind a football team. I have far more respect for people who actually try their hand at managment and fail then those who opt for the easy life of writing for the Times and the Herald every week. All of the examples I have used have were sourced from Cascarinos book. To me the people who like Cascarino or hate O Leary are falling into the classic Irish trait of liking the "character" in the same way that Haughey was loved by the people here.
THe job of the manager is not to look after the finances of the club. Especially in the modern era when the managers are more like coaches rather than managers. It is the job of the coach or manager to identify players and to ask the chairman to buy them. It was Risdale who had full knowledge of the finances of the club and he made the decision to buy the players. He could easily have told O Leary that the players were out of his budget. You did not see O Leary buying loads of players at Villa, why because they did not go into debt to buy players. O Leary had Leeds finishing in the top four for most of his reign and he got to the Champions League semi final. How do people think Martin Jol has done at SPurs, I would say they have both done similar type jobs with money invested in the side. If Jol got the sack in the morning and it was later found out that Levy had been putting the club in debt would it be Martin Jols fault, No it would not. O learys problem seems to be that he alienates the players through comments to the media etc.
geysir
01/08/2006, 1:39 PM
I dont need to have met him as he says in his book the things that he has done. So i will judge a person on the actions they make rather than the things they say........You dont see O Leary gambling with crooks or gangsters.
Out of curiousity, did O'Leary write about the time he was (deservedly) dropped by Eoin Hand? or about his subsequent actions in crying on Dunphy's shoulder and aiding Dunphy's vitriolic, highly personalized, campaign against Eoin Hand?
Personally I thought Cascarino's book was pretty brainless. I take it that your reference to gambling with crooks and gangsters is taken from some incident in the book some 25 years ago or was it 30 years ago.
You dont see O Leary gambling with crooks or gangsters.
When have YOU seen Cascirino "gamble with crooks and gangsters"?
Just one last point, he is far from a crap journalist. IMO he's by far the best of the Ex players writing for newspapers today. You hate him, and thats fine, but he's not a crap journalist.
Cas is a fully qualified hairdresser as well.
O'Leary isn't.
NeilMcD
01/08/2006, 1:48 PM
In my opinion he is a crap journalist and your opinion he is a good one. Dont state it as some sort of fact that he is a good journalist. Many people despise his style of journalism and many like it so its a matter of taste not fact. I think he is a crap journalist as he relies on digging the dirt on players and telling personal stories from the dressing room rather than proper football journalism and looking at the game and analysing it properly. He is unable to do that . I have never seen him gamble with crooks or gangsters but he has admitted thats who he has gambled with as he descrived scenes of being blindfolded going into various games in order to protect the location of the card game.
Wasn't O'Leary leaving Villa linked to that statement which was supposedly released by the players criticising the club for not spending more money?
I don't think the Jol comparison is a good one though because he hasn't spent anything close to what O'Leary spent, he has bought players who are in general quite young and still unproven, and he has in the case of Carrick actually made money selling them on. You're right about Leeds though - ultimately Ridsdale did sanction those transfers and as Chairman he had to take the ultimate responsibility for the amount spent. It's just that finishing fourth in the league a couple of time and getting to the Semi-Finals didn't get the club anything close to the many millions they sent putting the team together and that lack of success was O'Leary's responsibility.
NeilMcD
01/08/2006, 2:09 PM
Sorry but if Leeds were coming 4th and getting to Champions League semi finals now they would be pretty happy. They do not have a divine right to win anything and finishing 4th for a couple of seaons and getting to the champions league is pretty good I woudl have thought.
Also what is the difference between the profile made on Ferdinand to the profit made on Carrick. Also Robbie keane, Rio Ferdinand Paul Robinson Alan Smith, Harry Kewel were hardly old players either so I think the comparison is fair, in fact the difference is that O Leary achieved more than Jol has. Again it is not the managers job to manage the budget. He identifies the player and the Chairman or General Manager looks after the financial negotiations.
Also Villa had to say that O Leary had nothing to do with the statement released by the players, so that was just rumour from the press on that one.
drinkfeckarse
01/08/2006, 2:22 PM
Villa's words were that they could not find anything to link him to the statement, not that he had nothing to do with it. I took that to mean they thought he did possibly have something to do with it but they couldn't prove it.
It doesn't take a genius to work that out especially considering they gave him his cards on the same day.
NeilMcD
01/08/2006, 2:26 PM
Innocent until proven guilty I am afraid. I will treat him as innocent like I would anybody in any civilised society where this principle is held up as a point of law. If you want to believe innuendo so be it.
he's guilty of nothing more than being a crap manager and thats why they sacked him. end of
drinkfeckarse
01/08/2006, 2:32 PM
he's guilty of nothing more than being a crap manager and thats why they sacked him. end of
If it was only that he would have been sacked long before and not the day after their internal investigation ended....but yes the fact he was a crap manager had a baring on it :)
NY Hoop
01/08/2006, 3:03 PM
Cas is a fully qualified hairdresser as well.
O'Leary isn't.
:D :D
Neil calling Cas a low life is going too far IMO.
He wrote the most honest autobiography I have ever read and laid it all out. Did he make mistakes in his personal life? Absolutely but who hasnt?
He's the only ex pro I read exactly because he tells it like it is.
Has it occured to you that he might not want to go into management and that he has a right to comment on other managers because of his experiences?
So Cas doesnt like DOL. Big deal. In my book they were great servants to Ireland and never let their country down.
He probably didnt sign your programme when you were a kid.
Dont judge a book by its cover.
KOH
NeilMcD
01/08/2006, 3:32 PM
:D :D
Neil calling Cas a low life is going too far IMO.
He wrote the most honest autobiography I have ever read and laid it all out. Did he make mistakes in his personal life? Absolutely but who hasnt?
He's the only ex pro I read exactly because he tells it like it is.
Has it occured to you that he might not want to go into management and that he has a right to comment on other managers because of his experiences?
So Cas doesnt like DOL. Big deal. In my book they were great servants to Ireland and never let their country down.
He probably didnt sign your programme when you were a kid.
Dont judge a book by its cover.
KOH
Just cause someone makes money by writing a book about how they were a low life previously does not mean they are suddenly ok and a sound blocke. The books shops are full of criminals making money from crime, just cause they tell a warts and all account of their life does not mean they are some sort of noble guy willing to admit their mistakes. I have never met Cascarino so your story about the programme is not based on any sort of evidence whatsoever. So maybe you should not judge a book by its cover. Practice what you preach. It has occured to me that he may not want to go into management but I also know that he woudl be rubbish at it, as his knowledge of the game is terrible. I have heard him on Today FM, Setanta, and read him in the Times and the Herald. Every time I find his style uninformed and lacking any sort of intellect or knowledge of the game. He goes for the lowest of the low and tells little tit bits from the world of football about how one player liked to wear orange underwear at all times.
He goes for the lowest of the low and tells little tit bits from the world of football about how one player liked to wear orange underwear at all times.
exactly the kind of attention to detail that would make him a better manager than O Leary
ColinR
01/08/2006, 3:42 PM
Every time I find his style uninformed and lacking any sort of intellect or knowledge of the game. He goes for the lowest of the low and tells little tit bits from the world of football about how one player liked to wear orange underwear at all times.
how do you reconcile your lack of respect for cascarino for this, with your admiration for eamon dunphy who does practically the exact the same on television?
NeilMcD
01/08/2006, 3:45 PM
I dont have any admiration for Dunphy. I just find him slightly humourous on the TV.
NeilMcD
01/08/2006, 3:46 PM
exactly the kind of attention to detail that would make him a better manager than O Leary
Name one bit of evidence that would suggest Cascarino would make a better manager than O Leary.
NeilMcD
01/08/2006, 3:53 PM
So you are saying that knowing what colour underwear a player wears would make Cascarino a better manager than O Leary despite the fact that O Leary has about 5 years of managing at the top level and getting to Champions League semi finals and finishing 4 in the Premier League.
NY Hoop
01/08/2006, 3:59 PM
Just cause someone makes money by writing a book about how they were a low life previously does not mean they are suddenly ok and a sound blocke. The books shops are full of criminals making money from crime, just cause they tell a warts and all account of their life does not mean they are some sort of noble guy willing to admit their mistakes. I have never met Cascarino so your story about the programme is not based on any sort of evidence whatsoever. So maybe you should not judge a book by its cover. Practice what you preach. It has occured to me that he may not want to go into management but I also know that he woudl be rubbish at it, as his knowledge of the game is terrible. I have heard him on Today FM, Setanta, and read him in the Times and the Herald. Every time I find his style uninformed and lacking any sort of intellect or knowledge of the game. He goes for the lowest of the low and tells little tit bits from the world of football about how one player liked to wear orange underwear at all times.
So now he's a criminal??! Jesus that's some stretch.
I did say "probably" in reference to the programme in fairness.
So a guy who has played at the top level in england and France and has 80 odd international caps covering a World Cup and European Championship has a terrible knowlege of the game?:eek:
Are you a WUM? Are you like this away from the keyboard?
KOH
All available evidence suggests that if Cas was given 120 million to spend - he'd wager teh lot on the 6.45 at Sittingbourne, WIN, double, possibly treble his playing budget and outstrip anything O Leary ever 'achieved'. So yes. Better Manager. Better Hairdresser. And never walked out on his country for a summer holiday a la O LEARY.....
geysir
01/08/2006, 4:04 PM
Unlike O' Leary, Cas never stabbed his manager in the back.
Cas had too much honor, pride and a sense of sacrifice when it came to all things green.
NeilMcD
01/08/2006, 4:06 PM
So now he's a criminal??! Jesus that's some stretch.
I did say "probably" in reference to the programme in fairness.
So a guy who has played at the top level in england and France and has 80 odd international caps covering a World Cup and European Championship has a terrible knowlege of the game?:eek:
Are you a WUM? Are you like this away from the keyboard?
KOH
Have you read his book. He admits to various crimes throughout the book so he is a criminal. I have listened and read his piecies some people like to call journalism and I think he is one of those players that has managed to play at a decent level and take very little of it in due to lack of brainpower. George Best was one of the greatest players that the world has even seen he was also said to be very intelligent but his knowledge of football in tactical terms was not great. The game is full of players who have played at various levels who dont cut it out tactically or emotionally as a manager.
Also I have posted on this forum a few times and I think it should be plainly obvious that I am not a wind up merchant. I wish the same could be said for many of the people who post on this thread and others.
NeilMcD
01/08/2006, 4:07 PM
All available evidence suggests that if Cas was given 120 million to spend - he'd wager teh lot on the 6.45 at Sittingbourne, WIN, double, possibly treble his playing budget and outstrip anything O Leary ever 'achieved'. So yes. Better Manager. Better Hairdresser. And never walked out on his country for a summer holiday a la O LEARY.....
Cascarino never played for his country.
Cascarino never played for his country.
He played for Kevin Nolans
NY Hoop
01/08/2006, 4:10 PM
Have you read his book. He admits to various crimes throughout the book so he is a criminal. I have listened and read his piecies some people like to call journalism and I think he is one of those players that has managed to play at a decent level and take very little of it in due to lack of brainpower. George Best was one of the greatest players that the world has even seen he was also said to be very intelligent but his knowledge of football in tactical terms was not great. The game is full of players who have played at various levels who dont cut it out tactically or emotionally as a manager.
Also I have posted on this forum a few times and I think it shoudl be plainly obvious that I am not a wind up merchangt. I wish the same could be said for many of the people who post on this thread and others.
May be plainly obvious to you..........
Already said I read his book. He's not a convicted criminal.
KOH
NeilMcD
01/08/2006, 4:14 PM
May be plainly obvious to you..........
KOH
Give examples please of where I have behaved like a wind up merchant.
NY Hoop
01/08/2006, 4:32 PM
Give examples please of where I have behaved like a wind up merchant.
You have got to be joking. You think I have the time you obviously have here?
KOH
NeilMcD
01/08/2006, 4:37 PM
I knew it woudl come down to something personal. Could you not please try to stay on topic and debate the issue that is at hand. IF you are going to make personal remarks about me please back it up with evidence otherwise please retract what you have said about me.
geysir
01/08/2006, 4:45 PM
t shoudl be plainly obvious that I am not a wind up merchangt. I wish the same could be said for many of the people who post on this thread and others.
I would like to know the names of all the wind-up merchants who have posted on this thread. It's time for "this sort of thing" to be stamped out.
hoops1
01/08/2006, 4:48 PM
"The game is full of players who have played at various levels who dont cut it out tactically or emotionally as a manager"
From a man who thinks Andy Reid should play centre mid for ireland
Amazing
geysir
01/08/2006, 5:16 PM
http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=3799
Cas is competing proudly under the Irish flag to this day.
RogerMilla
01/08/2006, 7:48 PM
lmao geysir , that is hilarious , tricolour flying proudly !!
guys let's not get too wound up with each other , lets just agree that o'leary has made a bit of a mess of his management career ( insert your own degree of mess....) , that both gave their all in the green , and agree to disagree on cas's journalistic talents!!
Scram
02/08/2006, 10:30 PM
Cascarino is a crap journalist, manager, player and person.
No he isn't, no he isn't !! ;)
He's alright as a journalist, not a great manager yet but may be, who knows, he seems like an alrgiht bloke and his tips on Setanta are spot on :)
And O'Leary is a sh!te manager...MR Excuses. £120m spent at Leeds and every week "we need more depth in the squad, the lads are young and developing, but I'm doing a great job with what I have" :rolleyes:
NeilMcD
03/08/2006, 9:52 AM
I love the fact that people actually believe someone who has managed at the highest level is a worse manager than someone who has never managed at any level. Sometimes people opinions make my mind boggle but everybody is entitled to their opinion which is the whole point of this forum and long may it continue.
how the fcx is managing Aston Villa to Premiership anonymity equated with managing at the "highest level"
has he won la liga...no
has he done anything at international level.....no
has he won seria a....no
has he won a european trophy....no
he has not managed at the highest level
oh i forgot - the "semi final" appearance (in which he overstretched a small club to the point of near oblivion - great work there dave - and than absolved himself of all blame)
O leary is a shammer
Dodge
03/08/2006, 10:28 AM
I love the fact that people actually believe someone who has managed at the highest level is a worse manager than someone who has never managed at any level. Sometimes people opinions make my mind boggle but everybody is entitled to their opinion which is the whole point of this forum and long may it continue.
Who said Cascirino was a better manager? Nobody can say one way or the other. Anyone who said O'Leary is better is talking rubbish too...
Emmet
03/08/2006, 10:30 AM
Yeah - you can't really just look at the Champions League semi and say that was all he achieved at Leeds ... what happened after that was far more significant and it is something that football club are still recovering from and will be recovering from for a good few years yet. You still haven't explained why - if O'Leary is so good - he has failed to win anything as a manager? The acid test, like wws says, is about putting your medals on the table ... and as a manager he has won exactly the same as Cascarino. The only difference is that in the process of winning nothing, Cascarino has not spent over £120 Million, he has not relegated and nearly bankrupted a club with a very strong history in English football, and his actions have not led to hundreds of staff being made redundant.
OwlsFan
03/08/2006, 11:00 AM
To be fair to O'Leary that's not his responsibility as a manager. That's his employers' responsibility. All managers look for money to spend - it's up to the Board to give the money or to say no. He would have been the first manager in history to say "No thanks. I don't want the money to spend".
The Leeds Board of the time almost destroyed the club by giving him the money to spend - not O'Leary.
I am no fan of O'Leary but that allegation can't justifiably be laid as his door.
Emmet
03/08/2006, 11:36 AM
He would have almost certainly given verbal assurances that he would re-pay that investment with on-field success though ... yes, the initial spending was not directly due to him but his failure to spend it effectively was. Leeds would have been lucky to see a quarter of that £120 Million through O'Leary's achievements there.
NeilMcD
03/08/2006, 11:36 AM
Good post Owls fan anybody who who does not undestand that point clearly does not know how a football club is run. It is not the job of the football manager or coach to look at the financial aspect of things. They have far too much on their plate. Many of them dont even get involved in the discussion of fees or wages etc.
David O Leary had Leeds finishing in the top 5 consistantly something all of his predecessors failed to do other than Don Revie with the great Leeds team. They are not a club that naturally belongs in that part of the table but he had them there. Wilkinson won the league with them but Leeds nearly got relegated soon after that.
Aston Villa did well for O Learys 1st 2 years in charge but he had a bad season last year. He had Villa finishing 7th one of the seasons. The reason so many fans did not like him at Villa was his his major failing and that is in his dealings with the media. He comes across as smug and aloof from the players and the fans. I think this is his one major flaw and will hinder him throughout his managerial career.
drinkfeckarse
03/08/2006, 11:52 AM
, he has not relegated and nearly bankrupted a club with a very strong history in English football, and his actions have not led to hundreds of staff being made redundant.
...either has O' Leary's, Risdale's actions did. The club were relegated long after O' Leary had gone and the Chairman was responsible for the erratic spending thus endangering all those jobs.
Dodge
03/08/2006, 11:56 AM
Of course O'Leary's not responsible for them being relegated BUT the fact he was given an open chequebook and still managed to win nothing is ablack mark for his managerial skills. Add in the disgusting expoitation of the Bowyer/Woodgate trail book and you'll find he's not popular with Leeds fans either.
Leeds not a natural top 6 English team??!?
your having a laugh - one of the biggest English cities
and until O Leary rode them rock solid their pedigree and standing in the game had few peers
NeilMcD
03/08/2006, 12:59 PM
Looking The English league since ints foundation and I think you will find they have finished outside the top 6 more times than they have not. They have spent large periods in the 2nd tier also.
Looking The English league since ints foundation and I think you will find they have finished outside the top 6 more times than they have not. They have spent large periods in the 2nd tier also.
Name me 6 bigger clubs than Leeds. Historically speaking. I can only think of Liverpool, Everton and Man Utd. Probably Arsenal. At a push Aston Villa. No bodody else would be bigger.
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