What Should the LDMC be Doing for Clubs ?

[leather]

you are fairly new to dealing with these boyos,I have had dealing with that bunch for years... **MOD EDIT************. just look at their carry own at the moment.

[see's it]

whats all the fuss with the LDMC all they have to do is organise afew games every week what could they possibly be fighting over????

[the 12 th man]

you are fairly new to dealing with these boyos,I have had dealing with that bunch for years... **MOD EDIT************. just look at their carry own at the moment.


Do you want to get this site into trouble?.You can't just say anything you like just because you're on an internet site.
You can libel someone on here just as much as in a Newspaper etc....

[Old keeper]

whats all the fuss with the LDMC all they have to do is organise afew games every week what could they possibly be fighting over????

I can appreciate that it might seem like very little work but there is a bit more involved than organising a few games each week. There is a lot of work goes in behind the scenes on a weekly and sometimes daily basis. But your point about what could we possibly be fighting about is a very valid one.

[greenandwhite]

whats all the fuss with the LDMC all they have to do is organise afew games every week what could they possibly be fighting over????

Thats like a comment from someone who turns up on a sunday pulls on a jersey and then heads off to the pub afterwards but has no idea who does all the work in the background

[greenandwhite]

whats all the fuss with the LDMC all they have to do is organise afew games every week what could they possibly be fighting over????

Its not the ldmc who are fighting its a few of the over 70s gang who are being stopped from pulling strokes. the only way they can get back their power is by getting rid of the newer members and that will give them free hand to **** up things again.

for instance a certian man who said he ws not involved has been telling clubs that he wanted them to sign a petition cause he was being removed but the petition turned out to be for a vote of no confidence, and worse he sent the suspended guy out with the bit of paper that is a fact cause it happend to two clubs that i know of. they are screwing up soccer with their old attitudes and old pals act. and by the way just cause i dont support the over 70s and the real ldmc dose not mean i would suport the chairman he is as bad at times

[Old keeper]

This was started as a positive thread and I hope it can come back to being a helpful thread for the clubs and players. So lets ignore the crap that is going on and get on with making soccer better.

If you want any questions answered please let me know and I will do my best to answer them.

[greenandwhite]

This was started as a positive thread and I hope it can come back to being a helpful thread for the clubs and players. So lets ignore the crap that is going on and get on with making soccer better.

If you want any questions answered please let me know and I will do my best to answer them.

fair enough I usualy just view anyway but if some one spouts crap we all should reoply

[Jock MIB]

hi oldkepper

i know that all fixtures now in the lower divisions is to catch up in first round of games.

can i assume that the second round games will now not happen till after the New Year :ball:

[renovater]

Gents I think some of you are getting carried away with your selves. I can understand if there is a conflict between club and certain members from with in the L.M.C. THIS IS THE NORM. Due to decissions that have been made offen against them.
and I will go as far to say some members of L.M.C. COMMITTEES should not besitting on these committes because they may be involved with clubs and acting on there behalf.how ever its up to you as clubs to seek these poeple out and make sure that poeple that serve act in the interest of every club.
I will also say most poeple that serve act with best interest at heart, (THE Clubs ) but there's always one.:ball:

[Old keeper]

Gents I think some of you are getting carried away with your selves. I can understand if there is a conflict between club and certain members from with in the L.M.C. THIS IS THE NORM. Due to decissions that have been made offen against them.
and I will go as far to say some members of L.M.C. COMMITTEES should not besitting on these committes because they may be involved with clubs and acting on there behalf.how ever its up to you as clubs to seek these poeple out and make sure that poeple that serve act in the interest of every club.
I will also say most poeple that serve act with best interest at heart, (THE Clubs ) but there's always one.:ball:

Hi Renovator

Im a bit bewildered, Do you refer to the ldmc or the LMC two different bodies?
But you are right there will always be a degree of conflict.

[see's it]

Thats like a comment from someone who turns up on a sunday pulls on a jersey and then heads off to the pub afterwards but has no idea who does all the work in the background

all what work in the background?

[ffffff]

all what work in the background?

pitches ready- flags, nets, lines /cuts pitches
teams organised
fund raises
organising facilities
adminisitration
liasing with external bodies
to name a few

I can tell you the hours add up...and people rarely appreciate it. some palyers just come down put on a jersey, play and head away to the pub ( while someone takes down netes, flag poles, cleans dressingrooms etc)

you would not be able to play a game if the list above ( ane more ) was not done

[see's it]

wires crossed here i think,i was talking about the LDMC not the hard working members of clubs across town...........

[ffffff]

wires crossed here i think,i was talking about the LDMC not the hard working members of clubs across town...........

apologies..........sorry for the rant!

[ffffff]

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[Old keeper]

wires crossed here i think,i was talking about the LDMC not the hard working members of clubs across town...........

Hi See's it

Surely you dont think that things happen themselves from week to week and month to month.
Registrations, transfers, fixtures, dicipline, OT and youths, Finance, Development, Jackman park, sorting issues for clubs just to name a few of the things.

[Goals4fun]

pitches ready- flags, nets, lines /cuts pitches
teams organised
fund raises
organising facilities
adminisitration
liasing with external bodies
to name a few

I can tell you the hours add up...and people rarely appreciate it. some palyers just come down put on a jersey, play and head away to the pub ( while someone takes down netes, flag poles, cleans dressingrooms etc)

you would not be able to play a game if the list above ( ane more ) was not done

and without the players there would be no need to have the above. they both go hand in hand !!

[see's it]

Hi See's it

Surely you dont think that things happen themselves from week to week and month to month.
Registrations, transfers, fixtures, dicipline, OT and youths, Finance, Development, Jackman park, sorting issues for clubs just to name a few of the things.

i know there has to be some running to the leagues but what im saying is that the LDMC members are constantly fighting but i dont see why,im guessing that none of the members are making money out of it and i dont see what power they get from it.
most registrations are in by august,fixtures done in the same month.
transfers are done by the clubs.
bennis and earls have been the only major dicipline issues this season.
OT has a manager who looks after that same for the youths OT.
so what do they do for the rest of the year besides argue obviously:)

[larrywhite]

fixtures done in the same month.


Good one.:D

[Old keeper]

i know there has to be some running to the leagues but what im saying is that the LDMC members are constantly fighting but i dont see why,im guessing that none of the members are making money out of it and i dont see what power they get from it.
most registrations are in by august,fixtures done in the same month.
transfers are done by the clubs.
bennis and earls have been the only major dicipline issues this season.
OT has a manager who looks after that same for the youths OT.
so what do they do for the rest of the year besides argue obviously:)


Well lets see

Most registrations are in by August but there are players being registered all year
Fixtures are always being updated due to bad weather or national cup games or even free weekends
Clubs submit transfer requests and the registrar transfers the players, there are many issues that arise around transfers on a weekly basis
Discipline is a serious matter that is ongoing on a weekly basis, the two players you mentioned are not the only major discipline issues this season but the others did not get the same profile.
The OT managers have the responsibility of managing the squads the rest is down to others, transport, hospitality, gear and all the trappings of a normal club.
Other things like grant applications, ground maintenance, development, meetings with other bodies, insurance issues, supporting clubs who request help. meeting with referees, representing the LDL on national and regional bodies, assisting players who have issues with clubs, Amongst many others things

I do agree that it is not rocket science but at the same time lets not belittle the work that is done on a voluntary basis on all clubs behalf. There are many many other tasks and issues being dealt with that can directly and indirectly impact the players and clubs if they are not completed on a weekly basis.

As for the infighting, cant argue, there is far too much going on and the sooner it stops the better for everybody. but in the mean time lets cut a little slack to anyone who is trying.

[see's it]

for those who are trying the fans of junior football salute you.

whats the story with insurance im led to believe alot of clubs dont have any, whats your view on this one time goalie(name change no1 likes to be called old)

[Old keeper]

for those who are trying the fans of junior football salute you.

whats the story with insurance im led to believe alot of clubs dont have any, whats your view on this one time goalie(name change no1 likes to be called old)

The league has a list of all clubs and their insurance details, If clubs are nearing their renewal dates they are notified by their insurers and if the League has no current cert the league will no doubt take appropriate action.

[Old keeper]

for those who are trying the fans of junior football salute you.

whats the story with insurance im led to believe alot of clubs dont have any, whats your view on this one time goalie(name change no1 likes to be called old)

One time!!!!!! that hurts to the bone

[see's it]

The league has a list of all clubs and their insurance details, If clubs are nearing their renewal dates they are notified by their insurers and if the League has no current cert the league will no doubt take appropriate action.

are clubs by rule supposed to have insurance?

[Old keeper]

are clubs by rule supposed to have insurance?

It is a requirement of the FAI that all clubs be covered by insurance and this is to be dealt with at a local level by the leagues

[see's it]

so if a player breaks his leg and is out of work for a lenghty period does that club insurance cover him or how does it work?

[Jock MIB]

find a way for lower leagues to get a game of soccer????

please its a waste of time saying we have to inform the committee there is a problem. anyone with sense would see there is problem.

each team paid the same membership so how can it be justified that several teams in the lower divisions n the last two to three months have played one, two or three games.

i'm sorry but its now beyond a joke

[Old keeper]

so if a player breaks his leg and is out of work for a lenghty period does that club insurance cover him or how does it work?


No the insurance is public liability insurance, players should have their own insurance unless the club has a coverall policy that included players insurance. You should contact your club for details of their policy. If clubs or players need advice they should contact the league.

[Old keeper]

find a way for lower leagues to get a game of soccer????

please its a waste of time saying we have to inform the committee there is a problem. anyone with sense would see there is problem.

each team paid the same membership so how can it be justified that several teams in the lower divisions n the last two to three months have played one, two or three games.

i'm sorry but its now beyond a joke

Hi Holycrossjock

This is an anonymous forum to express your views, the league needs to hear from clubs in order to give credence to what you are saying. There have only been one or two clubs who have complained about the lack of games! No matter how many times you mention the problem here it wont do any good, I will again bring it up but the reply will be there are no complaints from clubs so there is no problem. If you want change then talk to your club chairman and secretary and have them contact the league secretary. Otherwise the status quo will apply. Every club has the right to ask questions and have them answered, you are correct when you state that the fees are the same for each team and they should all be treated equally, you have rights as clubs but you must exercise those rights. If you would like the matter discussed in more detail send a mail to the league secretary, but I will mention the bones of your argument

[greenandwhite]

find a way for lower leagues to get a game of soccer????

please its a waste of time saying we have to inform the committee there is a problem. anyone with sense would see there is problem.

each team paid the same membership so how can it be justified that several teams in the lower divisions n the last two to three months have played one, two or three games.

i'm sorry but its now beyond a joke

Simple answer Get a fiixtures secretary who gives a s**t the current one is only interested in getting one over on his mortal enemies and anyone who questions him. you had lower leagues games left out while the top teams get linesmen in their fai games! crap, they didnt even ask for them cause our club asked the league if they were aware that other teams were not getting games and they answered that they did not know that they were put in. He makes out that its a real big deal to do the fixtures other leagues in dublin are bigger than ours and its done at the beginning of the season with just as few refs. I know cause I played up there for a few years and it was sweet you got a booklet at the beginning of the season detailing all the games and also the cups and the dates.
anyway your club has no cedibility as you just do as the fixtures god tells ye like signing his letters

[northsiderkid]

I would like to see referees kept away from their local clubs. Everytime we have traveled to the likes of Herbertstown, Caherconlish, Knockainey and Trinity we end up with the same referees that are on first name terms with the home team and in some cases are drinking buddies this leads to a reluctance to give critical decisions in favour of the away team. To add insult they get more money than usual for these games despite the fact they dont travel far.

[larrywhite]

That definitely happens. We have played in all those places and have had one ref in particular for a lot of those games. Ref in question is from Herbertstown and would know a lot of the players from clubs like Herbertstown, Caherconlish, Holycross etc. You are at a disadvantage even before kick off but not that matters to the FS. It just makes things easier for him.

[ffffff]

probably being a bit negative but looking at the stormy weather again today-LDMC should cancel fixtures ( apart from FAI of course ) today/tomorrow and let people get on with their weekends rather then getting up early Sunday travelling etc-

I'd say only the best pitches could hold this rain, and even they could be ruined for the winter if they were played on, so might even be better not play on them either

[Jock MIB]

That definitely happens. We have played in all those places and have had one ref in particular for a lot of those games. Ref in question is from Herbertstown and would know a lot of the players from clubs like Herbertstown, Caherconlish, Holycross etc. You are at a disadvantage even before kick off but not that matters to the FS. It just makes things easier for him.

bit harsh there mate :( no need for it. he is a good ref, so what if he knows there names.

[larrywhite]

bit harsh there mate :( no need for it. he is a good ref, so what if he knows there names.

I was just responding to somehting northsiderkid said but I have a feeling he is talking about the same person.

Only telling the truth as I see it Jock, but any time I see him down to do an away game of ours I dont look forward to it.

We were playing Southend a few seasons ago up there and he was doing it. When he lined up the players to check shingueards etc he said to our players to not get involved with anyone as we all know what they are like. Thats what he said. Anyway during the game one of the Southend players caught my centre back by the throat and then slapped him in the face. Not even a booking cos he scared ****less. When that happened I knew we were going home with 0 points and we did.

He sent me from the line in Caherconlish a few years ago and came to me at half time to shake hands and allow me back for the second half.

The As were playing Shannon at the start of the season and were down 2-1. Shannon broke and had a defo peno turned down with about 5 mins left. Coming off the pitch he said to me that it was a peno but he knew it was going to finish 2-1!!!!

While we need all the refs, there are some who are weak just like there are refs who are too strict and behave like headmasters. This particular ref is weak and if you get him out near his home he is naturally going to favour his neighbours. There are quite a few refs in town that would know the names of some of my players but that doesnt mean they get any advantage.

[Jock MIB]

I was just responding to somehting northsiderkid said but I have a feeling he is talking about the same person.

Only telling the truth as I see it Jock, but any time I see him down to do an away game of ours I dont look forward to it.

We were playing Southend a few seasons ago up there and he was doing it. When he lined up the players to check shingueards etc he said to our players to not get involved with anyone as we all know what they are like. Thats what he said. Anyway during the game one of the Southend players caught my centre back by the throat and then slapped him in the face. Not even a booking cos he scared ****less. When that happened I knew we were going home with 0 points and we did.

He sent me from the line in Caherconlish a few years ago and came to me at half time to shake hands and allow me back for the second half.

The As were playing Shannon at the start of the season and were down 2-1. Shannon broke and had a defo peno turned down with about 5 mins left. Coming off the pitch he said to me that it was a peno but he knew it was going to finish 2-1!!!!

While we need all the refs, there are some who are weak just like there are refs who are too strict and behave like headmasters. This particular ref is weak and if you get him out near his home he is naturally going to favour his neighbours. There are quite a few refs in town that would know the names of some of my players but that doesnt mean they get any advantage.
:) :)
i think people look to much into things there are looking for things that don't exist, do here us teams from the county complaining about refs from the city refereeing games for city teams. its paranioa and what teams should be concentrating is playing better football than the oppposition so a ref decision or lack of doesn't lose them points.
what you see is weak in decisions i might see someone letting the game flow a little more rather than blowing the whistle every fart second which i personally hate seein all the time. Now i'm not talk ing about this particular ref here now when i'm saying this now.

[larrywhite]

This is the only ref I would say it about so it has nothing to do with county refs in general. Just so happens he is from the county.

We always concentrate on playing the better football than the opposition. And mostly do. ;)

[Jock MIB]

This is the only ref I would say it about so it has nothing to do with county refs in general. Just so happens he is from the county.

We always concentrate on playing the better football than the opposition. And mostly do. ;)

hope you won't be saying that about me in the next couple of years, i've registered with the ref branch, i look forward to refing a coonagh match in the future :) :p

[larrywhite]

Good man yerself....or rather brave man.

I look forward to you reffing one of our games too. I will be telling all our lads to go down in the box. :D

[3 Heroes]

Hopefully I can make my comeback, then no doubt Jock would get to know me :p

[see's it]

bit harsh there mate :( no need for it. he is a good ref, so what if he knows there names.

the ref ye are talking about did games last year in a division where his club were going for the title im not saying he'd any affect on the outcome but alot of the other title chasing teams dropped some stupid points.

[Jock MIB]

Hopefully I can make my comeback, then no doubt Jock would get to know me :p

why will you be an assistant referee at the sideline :D

[3 Heroes]

why will you be an assistant referee at the sideline :D

FFS you sound like Sepp or Lennart, they're linesmen, always have been always will be:D

[see's it]

are you Mike Newell?:)

[3 Heroes]

are you Mike Newell?:)
Unfortunately I never scored the fastest hat-trick in Champions League history:o

[northsiderkid]

I posted the original message and I was not talking about one ref in particular three referees from herbertstown trinity hospital charleville side, this also happens with refs in shannon. Im not paranoid and I am not stupid enough to say it doesnt happen in the city either the point I am making is city refs should be covering country games and vice-versa and certainly not in divisions where their club is involved. I dont get personal about individual referees because the game needs them (believe me I could write a book about them at this stage and I dont have much time for most of them in the LDMC) my problem is with the fact that the guy asked what could the LDMC do better for clubs and I think that this is something that should be addressed.

[Old keeper]

I posted the original message and I was not talking about one ref in particular three referees from herbertstown trinity hospital charleville side, this also happens with refs in shannon. Im not paranoid and I am not stupid enough to say it doesnt happen in the city either the point I am making is city refs should be covering country games and vice-versa and certainly not in divisions where their club is involved. I dont get personal about individual referees because the game needs them (believe me I could write a book about them at this stage and I dont have much time for most of them in the LDMC) my problem is with the fact that the guy asked what could the LDMC do better for clubs and I think that this is something that should be addressed.

Hi Northsiderkid

It's unfortunate that we can't have refs from totally different areas at every game but having said that I am sure that it is the exception rather than the rule that any ref would be partial to a particular team and in the case of local refs I have found the complete reverse as the local ref is usually harder on the locals (not deliberatly but it's human nature). I am sure you will agree that most referees are who are out each sunday will get to know the players names of a number of teams and may refer to them by name during the game, many is the booking I have got form a ref who would be smiling and saying " Ger you should know better by now" but I still get the yellow card! I for one have the utmost confidence in 99% of the refs out there and while there will always be the game where refs have a bad day im afraid thats life!.
Your point about refs from the city going to the county and vice versa, is not really workable as referees are usually asked to do two games and with that in mind one can only allocate the refs that are available in different areas. In relation to the refs being from a village or town and not reffereeing for that team would mean a referee living in Mulgrave street could possibly be ruled out of any one of 4 clubs.

I think overall we need to trust in the integrity of the refs and support them as much as possible

(I can already hear the roars of Laughter from refs who read this coming from me, But I am usually just loud not abusive)

By the way I hope you will keep an open mind on the LDMC as there is a lot of work being done on your clubs behalf.

[northsiderkid]

Not sure that is a good enough explanation although I do appreciate you taking the time to respond referees at that level should not have to do two games a day as most of them are not fit enough for it or are just in it for the money. A big push is required for referees in the league is required it is very hard to attract players to lower league clubs two players have left our club in the recent past due to the standard of refereeing at that level. Also I just read the ldmc website where it stated that only 4 Junior games 1 youth and 1 U17 went ahead considering the weather we have had that means 6 pitches in the league are ruined and if we get a long period of frost will be umplayable for a long time. I watched a game today that was a complete farce the ref should never have let it go ahead but I dont blame him someone in the ldmc should make a decision when it is that bad and call them all off and stop ruining peoples weekends especially when some people are attending christmas parties the night before and taking it easy, getting up early in the morning only to be told by a ref that its off. Why oh why do they insist on playing these games when come march or april the league is finished and people end up with 5 months of good weather with no football to play can you see any logic in this??

[MitreSize5]

Not sure that is a good enough explanation although I do appreciate you taking the time to respond referees at that level should not have to do two games a day as most of them are not fit enough for it or are just in it for the money. A big push is required for referees in the league is required it is very hard to attract players to lower league clubs two players have left our club in the recent past due to the standard of refereeing at that level. Also I just read the ldmc website where it stated that only 4 Junior games 1 youth and 1 U17 went ahead considering the weather we have had that means 6 pitches in the league are ruined and if we get a long period of frost will be umplayable for a long time. I watched a game today that was a complete farce the ref should never have let it go ahead but I dont blame him someone in the ldmc should make a decision when it is that bad and call them all off and stop ruining peoples weekends especially when some people are attending christmas parties the night before and taking it easy, getting up early in the morning only to be told by a ref that its off. Why oh why do they insist on playing these games when come march or april the league is finished and people end up with 5 months of good weather with no football to play can you see any logic in this??

why should all games be called off for a weekend when you have clubs investing hundreds of thousands of euros in pitches so they can be playable in all weather