What Should the LDMC be Doing for Clubs ?

[Old keeper]

Originally Posted by Soccer Lover View Post
Here's an idea,



It is a good idea but would require a change to be agreed by all clubs, also the issue of B and C players playing with the A teams would pose a problem. But it is still workable and we have the means to print a match sheet for each match detailing the squad and any suspended players could be highlighted. speak with your club and ask them to bring it up as a change at the next Delegate meeting

Old Keeper,

I was looking through old threads and I found this, as a referee I wouldn't be comfortable policing suspensions for a league, and if this was proposed and accepted, this is what referees would, in effect be doing.

Before any of this could happen, you would need to be in agreement with the local referee society branch as to their role in the administration of this scheme and I would find it difficult to believe that they would agree.

Only my two pence worth

The Ref

I agree with you saying that refs should not be policing suspensions etc but the idea was to allow both teams to see the card and they could see if any players were suspended and then take action if required.
as always these are just suggestions and would need to be teased out at meetings

[renovater]

Hi Allab

1st Feb each year is the transfer deadline
is it not 31st January?

[renovater]

Originally Posted by Soccer Lover View Post
Here's an idea,

Instead of sending match cards to Refs, what about send them list of players registered with that team. The manager of each team fills in the number that each player is wearing also a note of suspended players could be made on the list before it sent to the referee. the ref then returns the lists to the league.

It is a good idea but would require a change to be agreed by all clubs, also the issue of B and C players playing with the A teams would pose a problem. But it is still workable and we have the means to print a match sheet for each match detailing the squad and any suspended players could be highlighted. speak with your club and ask them to bring it up as a change at the next Delegate meeting

Old Keeper,

I was looking through old threads and I found this, as a referee I wouldn't be comfortable policing suspensions for a league, and if this was proposed and accepted, this is what referees would, in effect be doing.

Before any of this could happen, you would need to be in agreement with the local referee society branch as to their role in the administration of this scheme and I would find it difficult to believe that they would agree.

Only my two pence worth

The Ref

One wants to be careful of playing B/ C team players on A team. While I can understand why B Team players play on A team. C- team players should only be aloud to play as high as B team other wise it confuses the situation.
The only reason a club has a C-Team because the number of players at that club in order to give lads football thou most of the players on C-team wouldn't make it passed Bteam:cool:

[Old keeper]

One wants to be careful of playing B/ C team players on A team. While I can understand why B Team players play on A team. C- team players should only be aloud to play as high as B team other wise it confuses the situation.
The only reason a club has a C-Team because the number of players at that club in order to give lads football thou most of the players on C-team wouldn't make it passed Bteam:cool:

one would be surprised at the number of C players who play all the way up! as the rules currently stand C can't play with B. C & B can play with A for all league games but not for divisional cups

[Old keeper]

is it not 31st January?

Hi Renovator

"1st Feb each year is the transfer deadline" was what i posted should have been "Before 1st Feb each year is the transfer deadline"

Rule 16
The closing date for all transfers shall be before the 1st of Febuary of each year. Any bona fida application to clubs by players made prior to this date shall be in order provided the committee be notified in writing to the secretary before this date.


Sorry if there was confusion My fault I will PM Allab to make sure he is aware of the error. Thanks for spotting that

[allab]

thanks old keeper

[gaidin]

one would be surprised at the number of C players who play all the way up! as the rules currently stand C can play with B. C & B can play with A for all league games but not for divisional cups

Are you sure that C players can play with the B team. I remember a few years back a B team I was playing with were short of players. We tried to bring up a few of the C team but were told that C players can not play with the B team only the A team. This was for a league game.

[Old keeper]

Are you sure that C players can play with the B team. I remember a few years back a B team I was playing with were short of players. We tried to bring up a few of the C team but were told that C players can not play with the B team only the A team. This was for a league game.

Hi gaidin

I will need to post from home in future!
The word should have been can't. I have changed the post to reflect this. I am posting from a pocket pc and have made two errors with single words over the last few days. Good job you guys are on the ball.

[Hoops 1967]

Hi Old Keeper,
I'd just like to say that the LDMC website is excellent. There are 2 things that are missing:
1) Previous league and cup winners
2) Top goalscorers for each division.
Other than this the website is a great help, keep up the good work.

[renovater]

Hi Old Keeper,
I'd just like to say that the LDMC website is excellent. There are 2 things that are missing:
1) Previous league and cup winners
2) Top goalscorers for each division.
Other than this the website is a great help, keep up the good work.
Every league has its own rules regards to C-teams some league may regard this team as a reserve team others may see it as a c-team and will alow its players to play as high as B like, B-to Ateam.
Should c-TEAM player regrade up to B then in most league's would be then able to play in its A-team in acordance with its rules, regards to A to B
Confused yet?:D

[Old keeper]

Hi Old Keeper,
I'd just like to say that the LDMC website is excellent. There are 2 things that are missing:
1) Previous league and cup winners
2) Top goalscorers for each division.
Other than this the website is a great help, keep up the good work.
hi Hoops

Thanks

We will have the history up shortly but it is all about time and at the moment I am concentrating on maintaining the fixtures and tables.

I did try to have a proposal passed at the last AGM that we would have a facilitator for each division who would be responsible for maintainining data for each of the divisions, this would have split the work load and we could place player stats on the system but there are also issues with some people not wanting yellow and red cards included in the player stats??? but we should be able to run with full stats soon as they are being collected but not displayed.

[Old keeper]

FAI Draw on www.ldmc.ie

[Old keeper]

Hi LDL are looking for facilitators for the website anyone up for a challenge should mail info@ldmc.ie for details

[Old keeper]

any clubs interested in attending a first aid course organised by the league should contact the secretary

[ShelsLimerick]

Oldkeeper,

Has there ever been any thought given to introducing another cup competition for the lower league clubs?

Divisions 3A, 3B, 4A and 4B have only 8 teams in each. This means each team plays only 14 league games. Every other division has 10-12 teams in it, along with 4-5 cup competitions.

If you lose the first round of the league cup then you have played only 15 games in the whole season.

Teams don't get the buzz of playing a team from a higher division in the cup. A cup competition between those four divisions would be great.

[Old keeper]

Oldkeeper,

Has there ever been any thought given to introducing another cup competition for the lower league clubs?

Divisions 3A, 3B, 4A and 4B have only 8 teams in each. This means each team plays only 14 league games. Every other division has 10-12 teams in it, along with 4-5 cup competitions.

If you lose the first round of the league cup then you have played only 15 games in the whole season.

Teams don't get the buzz of playing a team from a higher division in the cup. A cup competition between those four divisions would be great.

Hi

I have discussed this at council but the key is to get some of the clubs to mail or write to the secretary. I also feel that an open cup for the lower divisions would be great so get mailing!!

[larrywhite]

Oldkeeper,

Has there ever been any thought given to introducing another cup competition for the lower league clubs?

Divisions 3A, 3B, 4A and 4B have only 8 teams in each. This means each team plays only 14 league games. Every other division has 10-12 teams in it, along with 4-5 cup competitions.

If you lose the first round of the league cup then you have played only 15 games in the whole season.

Teams don't get the buzz of playing a team from a higher division in the cup. A cup competition between those four divisions would be great.

That would be great. Was always a good test playing teams from a higher division.

[Jock MIB]

Oldkeeper,

Has there ever been any thought given to introducing another cup competition for the lower league clubs?

Divisions 3A, 3B, 4A and 4B have only 8 teams in each. This means each team plays only 14 league games. Every other division has 10-12 teams in it, along with 4-5 cup competitions.

If you lose the first round of the league cup then you have played only 15 games in the whole season.

Teams don't get the buzz of playing a team from a higher division in the cup. A cup competition between those four divisions would be great.


Great idea will get club to sent in letter,

but was wondering why have 8 teams in 3a, 3b, 4a & 4b. why not scrap 4b and put them into the other leagues so all leagues have 10 to 12 teams. it will make for a better season for lads to look forward to playing at least 18 games up to 22 or more rather than just 14 games.

i know this can't be done now but why not next year, the lads in the lower divisions are as passionate about football as the higher divisions, and just want to play more games through the year.

what you think Old Keeper?

[Old keeper]

Great idea will get club to sent in letter,

but was wondering why have 8 teams in 3a, 3b, 4a & 4b. why not scrap 4b and put them into the other leagues so all leagues have 10 to 12 teams. it will make for a better season for lads to look forward to playing at least 18 games up to 22 or more rather than just 14 games.

i know this can't be done now but why not next year, the lads in the lower divisions are as passionate about football as the higher divisions, and just want to play more games through the year.

what you think Old Keeper?

I agree that every player in the league is as passionate about playing as any other when
on the field. problems arise when clubs say they will enter teams but they never materialise. next year we could change the structures and have teams in higher numbers , but again this requires support from the clubs not just the teams. get mailing again with suggestions

[ShelsLimerick]

Hi LDL are looking for facilitators for the website anyone up for a challenge should mail info@ldmc.ie for details

Have you appointed the facilitators yet? What will they be responsible for?

[Old keeper]

Hi

While I have the greatest respect for all clubs and know that most of your clubs follow proceedures to the letter. I would point out a few proceedures that need to be followed by ALL clubs.

I have had a number of people pointing out that their clubs have been asked to write letters expressing dissatisfaction with the current LDL committee and asking for an EGM. Any club or indivdual can express dissatisfaction with the commitee or its decisions however in the case of a club, the club must first hold a meeting and discuss the matter, min's should record the attendees, the discussion and any decisions reached (such as writing to the committee). In an ideal world the club should write to the LDL and ask for clarification on any issues it is not satisfied with. If after this they are still dissatisfied, they may request the matter to be taken further. It is a good Idea to have all the facts before making a decision.

There is a worry from some of the people speaking to me that their clubs are being used and letters are being written without the clubs permission. This practice is not good for the league and smacks of the good old days of closed doors and a couple of people using some of the clubs to drive their own agendas

IF ANY person or club would like information on ANY matter all they need to do is contact the committee. I think there has been sufficient change over the last year or two to ensure that the open door policy is maintained

[Jock MIB]

Quick Question Old Keeper,

last sunday my team Holycross B played Parkville,now its down as we are the away team but ended up as the fixture got played at Holycross... we weren't notified of any changes in fixture. was that cause Parkville don't have a pitch so all their home games are away or last sunday was a home game for us.????

just asking as we paid the ref but if we were the away team then Parkville should have paid shouldn't they?? :ball:

[Old keeper]

Quick Question Old Keeper,

last sunday my team Holycross B played Parkville,now its down as we are the away team but ended up as the fixture got played at Holycross... we weren't notified of any changes in fixture. was that cause Parkville don't have a pitch so all their home games are away or last sunday was a home game for us.????

just asking as we paid the ref but if we were the away team then Parkville should have paid shouldn't they?? :ball:


The fixtures sec should have notified you that you were at home and as Parkville have no home ground this would have been a home fixture for them and they should have paid the ref and also paid your club for the use of the ground.

[Jock MIB]

Thanks Old Keeper for clearing that up, heading your way soon, got Cup game against ST PATRICK'S. should be good game :)

[barryk]

Hi

While I have the greatest respect for all clubs and know that most of your clubs follow proceedures to the letter. I would point out a few proceedures that need to be followed by ALL clubs.

I have had a number of people pointing out that their clubs have been asked to write letters expressing dissatisfaction with the current LDL committee and asking for an EGM. Any club or indivdual can express dissatisfaction with the commitee or its decisions however in the case of a club, the club must first hold a meeting and discuss the matter, min's should record the attendees, the discussion and any decisions reached (such as writing to the committee). In an ideal world the club should write to the LDL and ask for clarification on any issues it is not satisfied with. If after this they are still dissatisfied, they may request the matter to be taken further. It is a good Idea to have all the facts before making a decision.

There is a worry from some of the people speaking to me that their clubs are being used and letters are being written without the clubs permission. This practice is not good for the league and smacks of the good old days of closed doors and a couple of people using some of the clubs to drive their own agendas

IF ANY person or club would like information on ANY matter all they need to do is contact the committee. I think there has been sufficient change over the last year or two to ensure that the open door policy is maintained



Old Keeper,
I am sad to hear that the knives are out for the committee. However I was wondering how long it would take.
From what I hear this agenda is being pushed by some of the older members of LDMC. Clubs have been asked to support a vote of no confidence by a certain member of council and they are scared of saying no in case they get "screwed" if they succeed.
The old brigade do not like the way the new kids on the block are letting the air into the room and the information out.
It should be kept hush in their world, thus increasing their grip on power.
I don't expect you to answer this but I hope anyone like myself who is glad to see a change in LDMC will put pressure on their clubs to keep this committee in place or we'll set Limerick soccer back years

[Old keeper]

Thanks Old Keeper for clearing that up, heading your way soon, got Cup game against ST PATRICK'S. should be good game :)


Looking forward to it

[larrywhite]

I don't expect you to answer this but I hope anyone like myself who is glad to see a change in LDMC will put pressure on their clubs to keep this committee in place or we'll set Limerick soccer back years

Barryk...to be honest I cant see much changing. Every club has the opportunity to make changes at the AGM but rarely it happens and then afterwards you hear people complaining again. It would help if more clubs actually attended the AGM too.

As members of the LDMC will tell you, the LDMC are put in place by the clubs to run the league for the clubs. Its the clubs league and if the clubs want something changed then that is their right.

[Soccer Lover]

"Due to a shortage of referees there are some games fixed without referees appointed these games may go ahead if these games are on clubs will be notified and clubs should listen to Limerick 95FM on Saturday morning for updates" from LDMC website

Why is there all of a sudden a shortage of referees? the same number of games this sunday as any other. are the referees on strike?

[madcap]

They might have other things to do, like players somtimes do, dont no why you think theres a strike, if there was, wouldnt they all be off?????

[Soccer Lover]

no ones doing 2 games - most sundays they all do 2? just wondering why

[madcap]

well i doubt its a strike, there prob just busy...

[Old keeper]

no ones doing 2 games - most sundays they all do 2? just wondering why

If you have a question just ask!

There is no "strike" the referees have lives too and some are off while in addition to this there is now ladies football on sunday this also takes away some refs. so I am sorry to dissapoint any one who would have liked a bit of strife but there is no issue between the refs and the league.
however there is always a requirement for more refs so if anyone is willing to don the black please make contact

[Old keeper]

If you have a question just ask!

There is no "strike" the referees have lives too and some are off while in addition to this there is now ladies football on sunday this also takes away some refs. so I am sorry to dissapoint any one who would have liked a bit of strife but there is no issue between the refs and the league.
however there is always a requirement for more refs so if anyone is willing to don the black please make contact

Any suggestions on how to attract Referees to the league?

[pearse4t3]

I think there was a rule before that every club must supply a ref, it was never really enforced. I think other leagues have it in operation. I dont think its a money issue with the refs,its just the way the world is today, people like having there weekends free.

[Old keeper]

I think there was a rule before that every club must supply a ref, it was never really enforced. I think other leagues have it in operation. I dont think its a money issue with the refs,its just the way the world is today, people like having there weekends free.

There was talk of such a rule but as you said it was never implemented. It is a good idea that clubs should be able to supply a ref, even if they were only used in emergency situations.

[larrywhite]

There was never an actual rule that each club had to supply a referee. Clubs wouldnt have voted in a rule like that as there is no guarantee they could supply the ref.

There was however a campaign to encourage clubs to put forward associate referees or full referees a couple of seasons ago. If I remember correctly only one candidate came out of it.

[Old keeper]

There was never an actual rule that each club had to supply a referee. Clubs wouldnt have voted in a rule like that as there is no guarantee they could supply the ref.

There was however a campaign to encourage clubs to put forward associate referees or full referees a couple of seasons ago. If I remember correctly only one candidate came out of it.


That sounds about right.

[longtimefan]

how about telling the clubs why the treasurer was forced to resign because he stood up for the clubs!!!!!!!!!!! or why ye cant get yer grant now for the lights!!!!!!!! how about some real answers

[Old keeper]

how about telling the clubs why the treasurer was forced to resign because he stood up for the clubs!!!!!!!!!!! or why ye cant get yer grant now for the lights!!!!!!!! how about some real answers

Second time replying to your posts today!

You really should check your facts before posting (or ask whoever is feeding you to give you better information)

The treasurer was not forced to resign nor did the treasurer resign. However due to an ongoing appeal process I can't and won't comment further until the matter is fully resolved.

I am not the treasurer but I do know that the grant for the lights has been processed and issued. You really need to speak with your handler and get some up to date info if your going to spout rubbish on any site!!!!

[the 12 th man]

how about telling the clubs why the treasurer was forced to resign because he stood up for the clubs!!!!!!!!!!! or why ye cant get yer grant now for the lights!!!!!!!! how about some real answers


Calm down longtimefan,put your questions without all the !!!!!'s as its the equivalent of shouting at people, I'm sure you'll get someone to give you the answers to your queries.

[longtimefan]

Second time replying to your posts today!

You really should check your facts before posting (or ask whoever is feeding you to give you better information)

The treasurer was not forced to resign nor did the treasurer resign. However due to an ongoing appeal process I can't and won't comment further until the matter is fully resolved.

I am not the treasurer but I do know that the grant for the lights has been processed and issued. You really need to speak with your handler and get some up to date info if your going to spout rubbish on any site!!!!

I have all the facts I need yer days are numbered some of the real ldmc members are seing to that

[leather]

LONGTIMEFAN...Your attitude and tone is exactly what WAS wrong with The council..there is a new attitude comming out from the council at the moment and it is long overdue. I was there the night the forms were issued and the behaviour of some one of your Real ldmc members was a disgrace.... I could also tell a few stories about the same people and other behaviour that the nazi party wouldn't put up with.. my club had to go to council with some of his behaviour because it had gone beyond a joke... what is your opinion on the ldmc website????

[longtimefan]

LONGTIMEFAN...Your attitude and tone is exactly what WAS wrong with The council..there is a new attitude comming out from the council at the moment and it is long overdue. I was there the night the forms were issued and the behaviour of some one of your Real ldmc members was a disgrace.... I could also tell a few stories about the same people and other behaviour that the nazi party wouldn't put up with.. my club had to go to council with some of his behaviour because it had gone beyond a joke... what is your opinion on the ldmc website????


You have no idea what the real long time members do for clubs, and they will keep fighting for the clubs this ldmc website is just there to make some members look bad and is for propaganda.

[gaidin]

You have no idea what the real long time members do for clubs, and they will keep fighting for the clubs this ldmc website is just there to make some members look bad and is for propaganda.

How does it make people look bad?

[leather]

You have no idea what the real long time members do for clubs, and they will keep fighting for the clubs this ldmc website is just there to make some members look bad and is for propaganda.

Oh Yes i have and what a sorry bunch some of them are, Not all may i add, a small minority..what clubs would these "real long time members" be fighting for? i take it that you think that lenght of service is the be all and end all of competence...it happens in all walks of life , new blood comes in and regenerates the organisation, if this does not happen the organisation will go stale, set in its ways and wither...

as for the website being propaganda... grow up.. all info is propaganda in the wrong hands...and my has there been plenty of wrong hands in jackman...are you saying that the present PRO is Mr Goobells..?

[longtimefan]

Oh Yes i have and what a sorry bunch some of them are, Not all may i add, a small minority..what clubs would these "real long time members" be fighting for? i take it that you think that lenght of service is the be all and end all of competence...it happens in all walks of life , new blood comes in and regenerates the organisation, if this does not happen the organisation will go stale, set in its ways and wither...

as for the website being propaganda... grow up.. all info is propaganda in the wrong hands...and my has there been plenty of wrong hands in jackman...are you saying that the present PRO is Mr Goobells..?

The clubs are the bigest ones in limerick and they are leading the charge for to change this committee. how can you call the pro a real pro when there are hardly no notes every week in the chronicle!! and how do we know the information given out on this website is the right information!!

[longtimefan]

How does it make people look bad?

because you have a load of games listed that are not on for clubs and if clubs want a game off they now have to go to the committee and beg for it to be off

[leather]

because you have a load of games listed that are not on for clubs and if clubs want a game off they now have to go to the committee and beg for it to be off


last season a club had to give 2 weeks notice to get a match called off
fair enough
this season it requires 12 days notice and you can request this online,
fair enough

dont understand your point about getting matches off

[longtimefan]

last season a club had to give 2 weeks notice to get a match called off
fair enough
this season it requires 12 days notice and you can request this online,
fair enough

dont understand your point about getting matches off

before you could contact the fixtures secretary and he could handle it now you have to go to the committee to get a game off! and what if your missing players or someone is injured! and its too late for 12 days

[ShelsLimerick]

The clubs are the bigest ones in limerick and they are leading the charge for to change this committee. how can you call the pro a real pro when there are hardly no notes every week in the chronicle!! and how do we know the information given out on this website is the right information!!

Its up to the clubs to provide the notes not the LDMC. All the website shows is fixtures, results and news. There are no opinions just facts. Hardly propaganda.