David McGoldrick F Notts County b.1987

[DannyInvincible]

Watched the Ipswich game yesterday. He's a talented player but f*** me if he isn't nonchalant. He would want to improve his workrate a bit if he wants to make the step up. Maybe he's still feeling his way back after injury.

You sure it's not just his running-style and demeanour that makes him look casual? Is he known to be a lazy player? Surely he wouldn't be playing at the top of the Championship if he was actually a lazy player. He seems a fairly honest lad from the little I've seen of him. How many games have you watched him play in?


Stephen Hunt was a calming influence

It's not often you'll see "Stephen Hunt" and "calming influence" in the same sentence. :p


Sammon had a great chance to score before Noel Hunt's goal but, as usual, took an eternity to pull the trigger and the chance was lost. I'm getting tired of defending him at this stage.

Sure you can always berate him... Why defend some of our players but not others? If it was another of our much-more gifted and celebrated strikers, you'd be digging in to have a go.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

I issue praise when it's warranted. There hasn't been in much in Keane's performances at Intl. level over the last several years to warrant such praise. But when it does warrant praise, I issue it in kind - Faroe Islands, Georgia friendly, Gibraltar.

And yes Keane is the best striker to ever play for Ireland. His namesake is probably the best midfielder to ever play for Ireland. It doesn't mean I would still play him either.

Why bring up Keane anyways? Does he play for Ipswich?

And I never called McGoldrick "lazy". I said nonchalant. You are just misinterpreting what I say again and being mischievous.

[DannyInvincible]

Why bring up Keane anyways? Does he play for Ipswich?

I just found it interesting that your default position for analysis of Sammon was one of defence, but for Robbie, it would seem you come at analysis of his performances from a different angle.


And I never called McGoldrick "lazy". I said nonchalant. You are just misinterpreting what I say again and being mischievous.

Am I? You explicitly stated you thought he'd need to improve his work-rate. Forgive me for assuming you were calling him lazy... In what way ought he improve his work-rate?

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

He is nonchalant.... He needs to improve his workrate.... He is more naturally talented and skilful than Sammon..... Sammon works harder..... I qualified what I said by saying he may be feeling his way back after a lengthy injury spell.... Never mentioned the word lazy once.... You did....

If you honestly think he acquitted himself as much as Murphy, perhaps you need to watch the match again.

Again. Why bring up Keane? Totally irrelevant and off topic.

[DeLorean]

Judging from the USA game, I would agree that he appears nonchalant. I haven't really seen him play a full game otherwise. Maybe that's not a bad thing though, we've had enough fellas that will run through walls and create little or nothing.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Exactly. Sammon & Cox can run all day but I would rather have the poise of a McGoldrick than the bluntness of those players.

[Charlie Darwin]

I can't imagine Mick would tolerate a player who's not pulling his weight. He looks nonchalant alright, but I was keeping an eye on him in the USA match and he constantly on the move, making intelligent runs, keeping the centre halves honest in possession. He might not chase shadows and race the corner flag like your typical Kevin Doyle-style workhorse, but he's not a lazy player from what I have seen.

[Stuttgart88]

Nonchalant is one thing, but anyone being told he needs to improve his work rate is being told he isn't working hard enough. It's splitting hairs and engaging in wordsmithery to say that's not the same as lazy. There are degrees of laziness. Bone idle is one extreme, could work harder is probably the other.

[DannyInvincible]

He is nonchalant.... He needs to improve his workrate.... He is more naturally talented and skilful than Sammon..... Sammon works harder..... I qualified what I said by saying he may be feeling his way back after a lengthy injury spell.... Never mentioned the word lazy once.... You did....

Lazy (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lazy): "Averse or disinclined to work, activity, or exertion."

If you're saying he would want to improve his work-rate, aren't you saying he's averse or disinclined to work, or lazy, in other words? If not, then what do you mean exactly? How should he go about improving his work-rate? Perhaps his instructions don't include a requirement to expend energy chasing down opponents seeing as his skills are more technical in nature/he's better with the ball at his feet so should be focusing on getting into good receiving positions for when his team-mates do win back possession?


If you honestly think he acquitted himself as much as Murphy, perhaps you need to watch the match again.

Where has this comparison come from? I didn't see the game and mentioned nothing of Murphy. I was simply inviting you to clarify your position on McGoldrick.


Again. Why bring up Keane? Totally irrelevant and off topic.

I already explained why. It was because I sensed an inconsistency in how you approach analysis of the two players; Sammon and Keane.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Nonchalant - (of a person or manner) feeling or appearing casually calm and relaxed; not displaying anxiety, interest, or enthusiasm.

e.g. "Mario Balotelli scored a lovely nonchalant backheel goal in training."

Danny, seriously stop overanalysing what I said. I said he looked nonchalant in one game I happened to be watching and queried whether he was still feeling his way back from injury. I complimented his technical skills. I pointed out that he has different attributes to Murphy & Sammon. You are agreeing with me in a roundabout way now FGS.

You mean how I criticised Sammon? Keane is not beyond criticism and Sammon, McShane & Ward can be praised.

Stop bringing up Keane on threads to have a go at me. I feel like I cannot say anything about anyone without worrying about you making it about Keane.

I have praised Keane several times but you think it is heresy to honestly appraise his performances.

[DannyInvincible]

Whatever about him being nonchalant (although you did seem to be making a connection between his nonchalance and his work-rate initially), I was strictly referring to you stating he'd want to improve his work-rate. I think he has a casual demeanour, but saying he has a low work-rate on that basis would be unfair.

I'd assumed you were referring to his general play because you said he is nonchalant and would need to improve his work-rate rather than was. If you were referring to that one game, then fair enough, although your phrasing didn't suggest that at all.

Why should I stop analysing what you say? A lot of it happens to be seriously suspect. If you'd rather your opinions weren't analysed and queried, stop offering them and involving yourself in debates. It's simple really.

[paul_oshea]

Please slap me hard if i ever use the word honest in any football related speak.

[BonnieShels]

Please slap me hard if i ever use the word honest in any football related speak.

That's hardly the only reason we could give you a slap?

[tetsujin1979]

Please slap me hard if i ever use the word honest in any football related speak.
does that apply retrospectively?

Unfortunately for Coleman players aren't as honest as he is.they don't have that gaa background stop that soccer sh1te playacting attitude.

I do feel unless he changes he will cost us one yet. Hopefully it won't be too important of a game.

Everything I've seen so far of him has been pretty accurate.

That's just one of many results from a search of the term "honest" in your posts

[SwanVsDalton]

I have no reason to doubt TOWK's word, and I only watched the Football League Show highlights, but there was one moment in the second half when McGoldrick tracked back to half-way, won the ball back with a very solid sliding tackle and launched an attack.

I was impressed, particularly since it made me think that it showed he had a bit of work rate.

[DannyInvincible]

Please slap me hard if i ever use the word honest in any football related speak.

Gladly. :p

All I meant was that he didn't seem like a chancer or like a player with a poor attitude who would go out of his way to drag his feet. He seemed keen. But certainly correct me if my impression is mistaken. Would he really be playing at the top of the Championship if his general work-rate was suspect?

[tricky_colour]

Exactly. Sammon & Cox can run all day but I would rather have the poise of a McGoldrick than the bluntness of those players.

There is a difference between being lazy and being efficient, you have to use your energy where you get the best return from it.

Running yourself into the ground chasing lost causes like headless chicken is not the best use of energy.

Using your head a bit can make up for a lot of leg work.

McGoldrick may not do a lot but he does seem to be productive when he does do something whereas other
expend a lot of energy producing nothing productive. If there is no end product it is pointless.

[tricky_colour]

I have no reason to doubt TOWK's word, and I only watched the Football League Show highlights, but there was one moment in the second half when McGoldrick tracked back to half-way, won the ball back with a very solid sliding tackle and launched an attack.

I was impressed, particularly since it made me think that it showed he had a bit of work rate.

Yes I think I say that and was impressed too, yu would have to watch a lot of highlights to see some of our midfielders doing similar.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Danny, I'm not going to stop posting because you have a grudge.

Again, stop overanalysing what I say. I said he was nonchalant. Someone said the same thing in the USA game thread and you didn't pull them up on it. You are making out that I insulted the player when I complimented him and offered constructive criticism that he could work a little harder if he wants to make the step up to PL & Intl. level. Again, I queried if this was because he was still working his way back to full fitness.

It's common enough parlance, Danny. Should I ask my Granny to start going to football trials because people say their Granny is better at defending than Stephen Ward?

[DeLorean]

So he's not lazy, but he needs to work harder because he might be lazy, depending on if he's minding himself or not. Got it.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Listen. Interpret what i said ANY way u want to...

[DannyInvincible]

Danny, I'm not going to stop posting because you have a grudge.

Look, TOWK, I'm nearly at a loss as to how to respond to that. You've a brass neck. You're not stupid so grow up and stop pretending to be. Why intentionally misinterpret what I've said? The loaded implication above is just so utterly warped. I'm not sure how you can think that I want you to stop posting. I suggested that if you have a problem with people scrutinising your opinions, it might be advisable for you to stop putting your opinions forward for discussion on a semi-public forum. I'm not telling you to stop posting or because I'd rather you didn't. Post all you want - you're more than welcome - but don't cry about it when someone pulls you up on the more brash and hysterical stuff you so often come out with. Express your opinions, certainly, but embrace debate and be prepared to defend your assertions too. Don't cry off and play the victim because you think people are being too hard on you. You express contentious opinions; it's only natural they'll provoke a reaction and requests for further clarification and substantiation. If you can't take the heat, then you're in the wrong place.


Again, stop overanalysing what I say. I said he was nonchalant. Someone said the same thing in the USA game thread and you didn't pull them up on it. You are making out that I insulted the player when I complimented him and offered constructive criticism that he could work a little harder if he wants to make the step up to PL & Intl. level. Again, I queried if this was because he was still working his way back to full fitness.

Strawman again. I wasn't even talking about his perceived nonchalance. I have no real problem with describing him as nonchalant. I can see that in his demeanour; I just don't think it should be confused for low work-rate or whatever. As I made very clear, I was referring specifically to your accusation that he was of low work-rate.

I thought you were referring to him generally rather than in that game specifically because of your initial phrasing. I couldn't be bothered pointing out the subtle shift in your latter phrasing from what you were originally asserting, but, if you weren't offering an opinion on him generally as a player, fair enough, I won't harp on.

Anyway, I'll analyse what I want. Does it irritate you that our opinions are scrutinised or something?


It's common enough parlance, Danny. Should I ask my Granny to start going to football trials because people say their Granny is better at defending than Stephen Ward?

I don't know what this comment is in response to exactly. It's difficult to know when you don't refer back to whatever it is in my own post you're responding to.

[geysir]

Look, TOWK, I'm nearly at a loss as to how to respond to that..
But not at a total loss... .. unfortunately :)

Danny, do us all a favour and just let it go, as this is not working.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Danny, life is fleeting. It can end any moment. Life is too short to get worked up about stuff like this.

I made a comment about David McGoldrick being nonchalant in a game. I also praised him. I also said he could be working his way to full fitness. You brought up Robbie Keane for no logical reason at all (other than to provoke me?). You constantly deride me and question my motivations for posting. I have a right to post and have my opinions be respected, as I respect yours.

Now please inbox me if you want to continue arguing about whether I was calling McGoldrick lazy (I wasn't).

[Charlie Darwin]

Scored the third in Ipswich's 3-0 win over Charlton, with Daryl Murphy getting the second.

[tricky_colour]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uld9PTjHpWU

McGoldrick hit bar before Murphy gets second I think.


Although the BBC says


Daryl Murphy headed home David McGoldrick's corner from close range to double Ipswich's lead after the break.

That is not right as the corner was not header straight in.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Ipswich are really losing steam at present. Wolves, Norwich and Watford are really gaining momentum lately. I fear for Ipswich and Derby's ability to hold on to their places in the playoff positions.

McGoldrick hasn't featured in a month due to injury problems and before that he was struggling for form. Noel Hunt's injury, too, has knocked the wind from their sails. I think their lack of squad depth and dependence on Murphy is hurting them a bit now.

http://www.ipswich.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=387620

An interesting article about McGoldrick.

A bit disappointing that some of the new/fringe players who starred in that USA game haven't pushed on due to form and injury problems (Christie, McGoldrick, Brady); McClean too looks destined for League One football next season unless he gets a move - hopefully his teams position doesn't knock his confidence.

Hopefully Gibson can remain fit to compensate for this.

[DeLorean]

Derby's automatic chances have taken a blow but there's no way they'll fall out of top six. I think themselves and Norwich will probably get the two automatics as there are plenty of slips in the likes of Middlesbrough and Bournemouth. Watford are looking pretty threatening alright though.

That's true about the USA hopefuls but only Brady is a significant loss really (so far).

[TrapAPony]

Finally back from injury and makes the bench v Norwich.

[samhaydenjr]

First of the new season for McGoldrick - http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/33857650 - good to have another striker starting to score goals again after an injury-hit gap

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

KD: After your loan spell at Ipswich from Coventry, it was made permanent and you were on fire. If you hadn’t got injured towards the end of that first season I think Ipswich would have made the play-offs. I know all about injuries and you have suffered your fair share. I was told that when your hamstring went this season, you were close to tears, which I can understand. How do you cope with injuries because they have been a set-back, and do you feel they have robbed you of playing in the Premier League so far?

http://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/ipswich_town_striker_david_mcgoldrick_opens_up_dur ing_an_interview_with_former_blue_kieron_dyer_1_45 40943

Guess he won't be getting signed by a Premier League team.

[Stuttgart88]

I'd love to know what Keane said after the Scotland match that they all respected so much.

[DeLorean]

Yeah that'd be interesting. It would have been difficult to find positives that night, a few home truths maybe, but in an encouraging way. Good interview actually, Dyer's questions were slightly more interesting than a lot of journalist's you read.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Big Didz is linked with Sheffield Wednesday, FC Twente and CD Lugo of the Spanish second tier.

McCarthy comments on links: http://www.twtd.co.uk/ipswich-town-news/29916/mccarthy-would-be-surprised-if-there-wasnt-interest-in-mcgoldrick

[Charlie Darwin]

Bit mad. They turned down upwards of £5 million from Leicester this time last year - why would a Segunda Division side be in for him?

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Out until Christmas.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Goal and assist for McGoldrick after coming off the bench.

Ipswich winning 3-2 away to Wigan.

[samhaydenjr]

It's been a little while since his third, but David McGoldrick got his fourth goal of the season tonight. I have noted that previously we will likely have to replace three strikers before next year's Euro qualifiers as Walters, Murphy and Doyle will all be turning 35 by then. McGoldrick along with Adam Rooney and perhaps Cillian Sheridan are currently our only confirmed options who are playing near at a level appropriate to take over then (barring Madden or O'Brien moving up a division, some successful recruiting, or the likes of Maguire, Grego-Cox or McDonagh making a big breakthrough). But given the comments about a major drop-off in performance by Walters and Doyle, and with Murphy and Long not being exactly prolific, should we be thinking of making more immediate changes? Should McGoldrick, Rooney and/or Sheridan be given game time against Mexico and even Uruguay to prepare them for the later qualifiers? I know they may not be the most inspiring options but they are playing regularly and capable of finding the target and McGoldrick did show well against the USA a couple of years back, setting up two goals.

[CraftyToePoke]

some successful recruiting

Surely one of the dual eligible lads will be hauled aboard soon, or will decide to help himself to an international career, I mean after all it only requires being a squad member at a reasonable level, the ability to finish one chance in five or that way, and a working knowledge of the offside rule to walk onto a 50 cap career as things stand, with a top twenty five ranked nation presently. Remarkable.

[samhaydenjr]

Surely one of the dual eligible lads will be hauled aboard soon, or will decide to help himself to an international career, I mean after all it only requires being a squad member at a reasonable level, the ability to finish one chance in five or that way, and a working knowledge of the offside rule to walk onto a 50 cap career as things stand, with a top twenty five ranked nation presently. Remarkable.

I'm beginning to lean towards TOWK's way of thinking - we've made our interest known to a number of eligible players and only Will Keane (forgot to mention him) has shown an interest and he is still unproven at senior level so perhaps we should move on and start looking at our actual options like McGoldrick, who has been playing at Championship level for the past decade and has a reasonable scoring record which puts him on a par with or not far off three of the forwards we're chasing in terms of pedigree - Hogan, Jutkiewicz and Robinson

[CraftyToePoke]

These are donkeys though, good donkeys, and our donkeys, but ultimately at the required level, donkeys.

Equally some of the proposed recruits might well also be donkeys soon too, but haven't fully shown themselves up as such donkeys just yet.

What we need is Ronan Hale to reveal himself as a pedigree chaser.

[DeLorean]

I'm beginning to lean towards TOWK's way of thinking - we've made our interest known to a number of eligible players and only Will Keane (forgot to mention him) has shown an interest and he is still unproven at senior level so perhaps we should move on and start looking at our actual options like McGoldrick, who has been playing at Championship level for the past decade and has a reasonable scoring record which puts him on a par with or not far off three of the forwards we're chasing in terms of pedigree - Hogan, Jutkiewicz and Robinson

But we have looked at McGoldrick, he's a live option. He makes the squad when fit and even came off the bench in Austria. Are you just suggesting that we play him more often? From what I have seen of him I think he's a bit of a luxury player but not really good enough to accommodate in a really serious game. Isn't he more of a link man between the midfield and a more natural striker in any case? I think it's an out and out number nine that we really need. The three you've named above fit that description a lot more but it remains to be seen if they're interested and/or good enough.

[DannyInvincible]

I'm beginning to lean towards TOWK's way of thinking - we've made our interest known to a number of eligible players and only Will Keane (forgot to mention him) has shown an interest and he is still unproven at senior level so perhaps we should move on and start looking at our actual options like McGoldrick, who has been playing at Championship level for the past decade and has a reasonable scoring record which puts him on a par with or not far off three of the forwards we're chasing in terms of pedigree - Hogan, Jutkiewicz and Robinson

McGoldrick has five caps and has been called into numerous squads since 2014. I rate him and, sure, maybe we could utilise him some more in upcoming friendlies, but it's not really as if he has been ignored.

In terms of looking at our available options or attempting to recruit guys like Hogan or Robinson, it doesn't have to be one or the other. Isn't it possible to do both? It's only a matter of having someone communicate with the latter on behalf of the FAI to let them know the situation and to gauge their interest. If they reject your declaration of interest, what more can you do?

[seanfhear]

Perhaps International football doesn't seem all that attractive to some of these possibilities these days...

Does it effect their earning potential......... Clubs may prefer players not playing international football

Does it effect possible transfers to " Bigger Clubs ".... Clubs may prefer players not playing international football

Potential injuries and the travel / time involved in playing international football...... Clubs may prefer players not playing international football

If you are treating your career as a business (which it probably is /definitely ) then does playing international football for small countries like Ireland make sense.......... ?

[DannyInvincible]

Perhaps International football doesn't seem all that attractive to some of these possibilities these days...

Does it effect their earning potential.........

I would say it would enhance players' value, marketability and earning potential. The obvious problem though from our perspective is that an England cap, for example, will potentially prove much more valuable to a player in strict financial terms (ignoring the emotional side of things) than an Ireland cap would, and money talks.

As do agents. The agent is a much more powerful and influential being in the modern game and he or she will be advising players' on a career-focused basis and on how to maximise their value and earning potential, rather than on how to explore their heritage or get closer to their cultural roots.

It's only natural that dual national players will be heavily influenced and motivated by potential financial incentives given any decision they make on international football will directly affect their future career, livelihood and security. Consequently, I'm sure many dual nationals will consider the financial factor - along with other factors, no doubt - and many may be happier to hold out for a single/handful of England cap(s) than rack them up for Ireland.


Clubs may prefer players not playing international football

Probably true, considering international breaks can impact negatively upon fluidity (in terms of training, organisation and tactics) at the club and there is also the potential for players to pick up injuries whilst on international duty. You can see how it grates with Everton when their Irish players pick up or aggravate injuries whilst on international duty with us and it was obvious that Alex Ferguson pressured Roy Keane to avoid friendlies back in the day.

Players will also be expending considerable energy whilst away on international duty - both playing for their country and potentially travelling long cross-continental or cross-global distances - and I'm sure any club would prefer this time and energy to be invested in the club instead.

[samhaydenjr]

But we have looked at McGoldrick, he's a live option. He makes the squad when fit and even came off the bench in Austria. Are you just suggesting that we play him more often? From what I have seen of him I think he's a bit of a luxury player but not really good enough to accommodate in a really serious game. Isn't he more of a link man between the midfield and a more natural striker in any case? I think it's an out and out number nine that we really need. The three you've named above fit that description a lot more but it remains to be seen if they're interested and/or good enough.


McGoldrick has five caps and has been called into numerous squads since 2014. I rate him and, sure, maybe we could utilise him some more in upcoming friendlies, but it's not really as if he has been ignored.

In terms of looking at our available options or attempting to recruit guys like Hogan or Robinson, it doesn't have to be one or the other. Isn't it possible to do both? It's only a matter of having someone communicate with the latter on behalf of the FAI to let them know the situation and to gauge their interest. If they reject your declaration of interest, what more can you do?

My main point is that previously I had been thinking of the start of the next qualifiers as the point where we would have to start replacing strikers, but with some on this forum fretting about the performance of Walters and Doyle recently and with Murphy in and out of the Newcastle team, I started wondering whether they will be able to provide the necessary contributions in six months' time - we may need reinforcements sooner than anticipated and McGoldrick is best positioned to come in if necessary, based on his Championship experience and his five caps. But I would be concerned about him playing in vital fall qualifiers with only five caps and 12 minutes of competitive international football under his belt (that said, Darren Randolph. And hopefully his cameo against Austria is a sign that MON acknowledges the impending situation and is prepping him for more action later). So ultimately, my point is that I think he should get significant game time against Mexico and Uruguay and in any other post- and pre-season friendlies before we go to Georgia in September.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

I've said it before. Lads like Christie and McGoldrick and Christie didn't need prompting to play for us.

We don't have a good track record of coaxing players who need begging, like Hogan, Redmond and Bamford.

I wouldn't get hung up on them.

We have managed to score goals in the absence of one of our most crucial players and highest goalscorer, Robbie Keane.

I am confident we will continue to do so.

[Charlie Darwin]

I've said it before. Lads like Christie and McGoldrick and Christie didn't need prompting to play for us.
You can add Christie to that list :)

[DannyInvincible]

My main point is that previously I had been thinking of the start of the next qualifiers as the point where we would have to start replacing strikers, but with some on this forum fretting about the performance of Walters and Doyle recently and with Murphy in and out of the Newcastle team, I started wondering whether they will be able to provide the necessary contributions in six months' time - we may need reinforcements sooner than anticipated and McGoldrick is best positioned to come in if necessary, based on his Championship experience and his five caps. But I would be concerned about him playing in vital fall qualifiers with only five caps and 12 minutes of competitive international football under his belt (that said, Darren Randolph. And hopefully his cameo against Austria is a sign that MON acknowledges the impending situation and is prepping him for more action later). So ultimately, my point is that I think he should get significant game time against Mexico and Uruguay and in any other post- and pre-season friendlies before we go to Georgia in September.

No disagreement there, but no harm in still making inquiries with other potential options of dual nationality either. It doesn't have to be one or the other and there's absolutely nothing to lose from asking, except for a possible little bit of face if a player snubs an advance, but that's really not a big deal in the grand scheme of things.

[seanfhear]

No disagreement there, but no harm in still making inquiries with other potential options of dual nationality either. It doesn't have to be one or the other and there's absolutely nothing to lose from asking, except for a possible little bit of face if a player snubs an advance, but that's really not a big deal in the grand scheme of things.It can be nice to be asked and kinda could break the ice and there is nothing wrong with a no thank You or even a polite give me some time (a reasonable amount of time) to think about it................