Paul McShane

[WeAreRovers]

for someone who doesnt slavishly follow players in england, you seem very sure of that, unless of course you just follow the english players.;)

seen McShane play for brighton last season, looked good, threat in the opposition box as well from setpieces.

I don't slavishly follow Irish players....but I do have a 30-year-long interest in all things Baggies-related.

KOH

[CraftyToePoke]

but I do have a 30-year-long interest in all things Baggies-related

why not just say ''im a west brom fan'' then? whats the story with the whole, 30-year-all-things-baggies-related, blah,blah,blah.

[Dodge]

I don't slavishly follow Irish players....but I do have a 30-year-long interest in all things Baggies-related.


Only really liked the Happy Mondays myself.

He's a hero in Brighton for scoring the winner last year in their big game with Crystal Palace (which BTW is the strangest rivalry ever)

[WeAreRovers]

why not just say ''im a west brom fan'' then? whats the story with the whole, 30-year-all-things-baggies-related, blah,blah,blah.

:rolleyes:

Maybe because I've never seen them play a competitive game, I've never been to the Hawthorns and I spend all my spare time and money following Rovers. Unlike the barstoolers I would never claim to be a West Brom "fan" but since I was a kid they've been my team in England. That okay with you?

KOH

[CraftyToePoke]

Maybe because I've never seen them play a competitive game, I've never been to the Hawthorns and I spend all my spare time and money following Rovers. Unlike the barstoolers I would never claim to be a West Brom "fan" but since I was a kid they've been my team in England.


hang on, hang on, we've got one here boys and girls, we've got one here, for sure:D

they are your self confessed team since childhood yet in no way would you describe yourself as a fan, what planet/drugs are you on man? of-course you are using the narrow minded,cliquey LOI definition of fan to back this up, whereby if you dont go and watch, you arent a real fan, Boll0x.

and yet, never having seen them play, never even been to the hawthorns, proclaim ''Davies is going nowhere'' in your first post this morning, suggesting some kind of superior knowledge to the original poster, insider knowledge even. unlikely,i think, particularly from the fan whose never even been.

so which is it? or do you know yourself? id doubt it.

[FootballsKing]

good luck to the lad- a guarenteed future international-soon enough if he plays well. west brom should easily get promoted and hey presto another irish prem player

[CraftyToePoke]

good luck to the lad- a guarenteed future international-soon enough if he plays well. west brom should easily get promoted and hey presto another irish prem player

have you seen the many relegated prem sides get promoted lately? the division is littered with sides who have come down in the last 5 years, leeds,wolves,leicester.palace,sunderland,norwich,c oventry,derby,ipswich, and thats just off the top of my head,

''hey-presto, a prem player'':rolleyes:

what an idiotic comment, on what do you base it?

[geysir]

they are your self confessed team since childhood yet in no way would you describe yourself as a fan, what planet/drugs are you on man?
There is nothing mysterious nor anything contradictory in We are Rover's posts here. Having a long distance interest doesn't compare with the fan's experience.
If there is a hint of superiority, possibly its the frequent negative
thoughts about low down barstoolers make him feel better about himself.

[Dodge]

of-course you are using the narrow minded,cliquey LOI definition of fan to back this up, whereby if you dont go and watch, you arent a real fan, Boll0x
Firstly I think you'll find supporters in all countries define real fans as those who go to the games. It is far from an LOI thing. Secondly, can I ask for your definition of a real fan please?

[CraftyToePoke]

Having a long distance interest doesn't compare with the fan's experience.

id agree 100% geysir, nothing like going to a game, but ill never accept that someone who has been following a side for 30 years, since childhood, is not a fan of that side, no way, of course he is, he may not realise or accept it, but he is a fan. he may also be a rovers fan, possibly more so, but also a west brom one.

he is using the spending of money and time on rovers, and the lack of it on west brom to differintiate, thats up to him. if fandom be measured in money and time spent then lets all bow to Abramovich, true fan, yeah?

thought not.

[Dodge]

I despair over some people's opinions of football supporting.

[CraftyToePoke]

Firstly I think you'll find supporters in all countries define real fans as those who go to the games. It is far from an LOI thing. Secondly, can I ask for your definition of a real fan please?

you have missed what im getting at.

and i dont think you can define it totally, but id say a 30 year association with a side, wheather you have seen them or not, would fall into the fan category, yes. would you not?

[youngirish]

I live in Brigthon and I seen Mc Shane play a number of times last year. He was their player of the year in an admittedly sh**e team. He has a very good goalscoring record for a defender but he's very slow and can be dodgy defensively. He needs to improve if he's to be a real asset to Ireland.

Good move for him though.

[drinkfeckarse]

Are you in a bad mood or something Crafty?? You're getting yourself worked up over very trivial things like.....

[Dodge]

you have missed what im getting at.

and i dont think you can define it totally, but id say a 30 year association with a side, wheather you have seen them or not, would fall into the fan category, yes. would you not?

Absolutely not. Football isn't a tv programme. You're either a supporter or you're not. Supporters go to games regularly. People who don't watch TV programmes.

[CraftyToePoke]

Are you in a bad mood or something Crafty?? You're getting yourself worked up over very trivial things like.....

:D

not in the least, dfa, life is all peachy and rosy this end.

i have however, started something of a shiiitstorm with all this levels of fandom thing.and it actually wasnt my intention, all i wanted to do was needle wearerovers on his overelaborate and convoluted use of english initially, but then dodge got hold of it and his cage would appear well and truly rattled by it all.

and now they are all at me;) :D

[drinkfeckarse]

[QUOTE=CraftyToePoke;513253

and now they are all at me/QUOTE]


This could be a 10 pager;) :D

[Dodge]

:rolleyes: Yeah its all my fault. Sometimes I wish I wasn't a mod here...

Anyway lets get back on topic (I'll delete anything else).

[CraftyToePoke]

Anyway lets get back on topic (I'll delete anything else).

was typing it at the time you posted.

[CraftyToePoke]

it can only be good if McShane is viewed as good enough to fill Davies boots by w.b.a. as he has been very impressive since his move, obviously,it would be better to get in the man u side but i doesnt look as though he will get his chance there.

it will be interesting to watch how he does there, as with Gavin and McGovern, their careers slid having left prem sides to seek first team involvment, but for McCarthy and Doherty(albeit slightly older), it has worked out for the better.

[Metrostars]

Great move for McShane. I saw him in a few preseason friendlies for United on the box. A bit cavilier in his defending but also a treat from corners and such.

[WeAreRovers]

With apologies to Dodge for dragging this off-topic again can I just reiterate that if I've never put time or money into following West brom then I'm not a fan. I think that the vast majority of week-in, week-out Baggies would agree with me.

Crafty Toe Poke wrote - narrow minded,cliquey LOI definition of fan to back this up, whereby if you dont go and watch, you arent a real fan.

That my friend would be the deifinition of a fan in any other country in the world except for this self-loathing, British-obsessed little island. If you don't go, you're not a fan, follower or supporter. Sorry if that doesn't fit you're loose definition.

Sorry again lads, now McShane.....

KOH

[beautifulrock]

That my friend would be the deifinition of a fan in any other country in the world except for this self-loathing, British-obsessed little island.
KOH


move then, :rolleyes:

[CraftyToePoke]

move then, :rolleyes:

yeah, i hear west bromwich is lovely this time of year, you may finally even get to see your team.

[CraftyToePoke]

EXCLUSIVE Paul McShane signed a three year deal with WBA yesterday. Details to follow............

anything officially confirmed yet? not on either of the clubs O.S.

[soccerc]

anything officially confirmed yet? not on either of the clubs O.S.


When I say it's a done deal it's a done deal, I don't put up rumours, unsubstantiated stories or something I cannot stand over.

He signed a three year contract on Wednesday afternoon and my source is impeccable. ;)

[CraftyToePoke]

When I say it's a done deal it's a done deal, I don't put up rumours, unsubstantiated stories or something I cannot stand over.

He signed a three year contract on Wednesday afternoon and my source is impeccable. ;)

fair enough then, and what of McShane? is he all happy with it? or did he feel he didnt get a shot at it at man u?

[John83]

From West Brom's homepage

TOMASZ Kuszczak has joined Manchester United on a season-long loan which may lead to a permanent move to Old Trafford.

As part of the deal, Albion have signed United's former England Under-18 keeper Luke Steele and their highly-rated reserve centre-half Paul McShane.

Both Steele and McShane have penned three-year Hawthorns deals.

Steele has already proved a big hit in the Coca-Cola Championship during a loan spell with Coventry two seasons ago.

The 21-year-old rejoined the Sky Blues on loan as recently as last week but has now jumped at the chance to link up with the Baggies on a permanent basis.

He will compete for the goalkeeping jersey with Pascal Zuberbuhler and Russell Hoult.
Republic-of-Ireland Under-19 defender McShane has also underlined his Championship pedigree.

McShane, 20, spent last season on loan at Brighton and was voted Player of the Year by Seagulls supporters.

Albion moved to secure the tough-tackling centre-half on a permanent deal after former target Dan ****tu decided to join Premiership newcomers Watford.

Boss Bryan Robson is delighted to have the two new signings on board and revealed they would be immediately competing for first-team places.
"I know the two lads from when I did some coaching with United's reserves a few years ago," said Robson.

The one thing you get when you sign 20-21 year olds from United is they've nearly always got a great attitude towards the game and training.

"You can sometimes get real good players from United because the players in front of them are such outstanding players.

"Both Luke and Paul have played international football at youth level and they have very good potential to go further in the game.

"With Tomasz going on loan to United, with the possibility of a permanent move, and the two young lads coming to us, it's a great deal for this football club.

"Luke has done well in the Championship before. We feel he's got improvement in him and Joe Corrigan has already shown he can improve keepers at this football club.

"The fact Paul was voted Player of the Year at Brighton despite being a young lad in a struggling side shows what he's all about.

"He's a very aggressive centre-half. He's not the tallest but he makes up for that with his aggression - he attacks the ball really well.

"We feel he will only get better playing alongside the lads we've got here."
Chairman Jeremy Peace added: "The club thought long and hard before sanctioning Tomasz's loan move.

"I have had several meetings with the player who expressed a very strong desire to join United, with the potential of playing in the Premiership and Champions League.

"In the end, we felt that these were exceptional circumstances and that we would be denying Tomasz a major career opportunity if we insisted on him staying.

"Having said all that, we were only prepared to let Tomasz leave if it suited Albion - and the way this deal has been constructed does suit us.
"We have signed a talented young goalkeeper and an exciting young centre-half, a position we've been actively looking to strengthen."
Steele was partnered by McShane, who has attracted further interest from Championship clubs this summer, in United's FA Youth Cup-winning side of 2003.

[Qwerty]

Everyone at United has spoken about McShane's attitude and about his aggressiveness as a player. I've no doubt he is thrilled to be leaving United so he can have a real shot at first team football. However he is a long way short of being an option at senior level at the moment, next season maybe.

[4tothefloor]

not in the least, dfa, life is all peachy and rosy this end.
You could have fooled us Crafty, must be your time of the month, you're ranting a lot lately ;) :D

For what it's worth, I agree with your assertion over WeAreRovers' one. You can be a fan in any way, shape or form. You're a fan if the teams results affect your moods - win and you're delighted, lose and you're mood dips. Just because someone can't go to games regularly does not mean they're not a fan - that's a LOI anti-barstoolers attitude. For example, you could have an Arsenal fan who would be referred to as a barstooler just because he doesn't go to LOI games and watches Arsenal in the pub. That's bullsh!t, because that guy could be involved in junior football or schoolboy football. So he's not a barstooler, in fact, he's probably more involved in football at grassroots level than the LOI fans who are calling him a barstooler. While I do agree that there's nothing that can beat going to live games, I don't subscribe to the LOI fans barstool attitude. Anyone who spouts it just sounds bitter and frustrated to me.

I know passionate Irish fans of AC Milan, Barcelona and even Paris St. Germaine and that has nothing to do with being British obsessed. I'ts ironic WeAreRovers that you are saying that this is a British obsessed island, when you yourself seem obsessed with 'barstoolers', premiership fans and fans who DON'T go to LOI games. So in other words you're obsessed with those who you say are British obsessed! :D

As for Paul McShane - lot of talk about him and saw him quite a lot on football league highlights. All he is is a decent prospect, this is a great move for him if he can push on and break in to the first team. To gauge how far he is away from Senior International status, Paddy McCarthy at Leicester is a good comparison. McCarthy is Leicester captain and a consistant performer over the last few seasons, yet he can't get into our Senior squad. So McShane is a bit away yet, has it all to prove....

[Condex]

Whats going on there, surely a player who can play
really well against a good international side, merits a
place on a championship team!!

[tetsujin1979]

Hard to call on that one, it was Mowbray's first game in charge, so he hasn't really had time to get to know the players. Give it another 2-3 games and see if he starts to get his place back then

[eirebhoy]

There's no point in changing a winning team. If he didn't get suspended I'd say he'd be in the team.

[Stuttgart88]

Curtis Davis is a young English CB who had rave reviews last season when they were in the Premiership and is valued at (typically for a young English player) well over £5 million. Arsenal were charged £8 million by WBA when they came looking.

Chris Perry, ex of Spurs, is their other CB, and has just the type of experience a promotion chasing team should have.

Davis will probably be sold before too long and Perry isn't exactly one for the future. Davis missed most of September through injury and McShane deputised, sometimes playing well but not always.

Mowbray has a reputation for developing & trusting young players so McShane's time will come I'm sure.

[drinkfeckarse]

Considering Mowbrays history with young talent, I'd say he's going to be a good thing for McShane.

[Darco Ooragnak]

Some people here seem to think that McShane has been playing week in week out for West Brom. They say that its good for the National team that a guy playing regular football is getting into the squad. The fact is that McShane has only played seven times this season ( two of these as a sub ).

McShane was has not commanded a first team place at any stage this season.

[eirebhoy]

Some people here seem to think that McShane has been playing week in week out for West Brom. They say that its good for the National team that a guy playing regular football is getting into the squad. The fact is that McShane has only played seven times this season ( two of these as a sub ).

McShane was has not commanded a first team place at any stage this season.
Curtis Davies got injured at the start of September and McShane took his place in the team. He played in the following 6 games but got sent off. Davies took his place in the team for the next game and West Brom won the following 3 games. McShane played against Arsenal tonight so we'll see if he stays in the team but chances are the manager will go back to the team that was doing well. He isn't going to drop Davies or Perry while they're doing so well.

btw, McShane has never come off the bench for West Brom. All his league appearances were consecutive starts aswell as starting all 3 League cup games.

[irishfan86]

Not trying to rip McShane but Aladiere beat him on the wing which led to the penalty shot, which Aladiere banged home.

Mistakes like that won't help his chances to secure a starting spot.

[drinkfeckarse]

There isn't a player alive who hasn't made mistakes or been taught a lesson by someone. All part of the learning curve.

[Peadar]

Aliadiere is widely considered to be one of the most talented forwards at Arsenal but injury has hampered his progress. McShane isn't the first defender to come unstuck against him and certainly wont be the last.

[irishfan86]

As I said lads, not trying to rip him. Just pointing out to the thread starter that McShane isn't the finished article just yet.

In other words, just because he had a fantastic debut with Ireland, doesn't mean his spot should be secure for either club or country.

I think he will be a great player, but he should be considered a work in progress at the moment.

[galwayhoop]

good point irish.

mcShane had a superb debut and deserves all acolades he has got since. however, we have seen many false dawns and shouldn't get carried away with it just yet.

but he definately deserves his place in the starting 11 next time out - espically because we are playing san marino (ie another cap and should be relatively hassle free) and his main competition is andy o'brien who is playing even less with his club

[irishfan86]

I agree, McShane should be in the starting 11 against San Marino.

He deserves it and is probably the best option.

[Stuttgart88]

Some guys instantly take to international football despite being ordinary for their club. Kenny Cunningham was one who I was always confident in.

Even Andy O'Brien (until Cyprus!). I thought O'Brien was excellent in Basle, Stuttgart & other games.

Dare I say it but I thought Gary Breen got a bum steer from many Irish fans.

[irishfan86]

Oh no doubt some players take to the international game Stutts.

I'd say passion is more important at the international level than skill or tactics, and you can really see that passion in McShane.

Sure organization is always important, but I really doubt the ability of any manager to make a complicated, effective strategy and educate the players within the span of under a week.

Motivation and desire, along with wise team selection are more important at international level, while at club level, tactics and skill really play more of an important role over a long season.

Obviously you don't eliminate desire from the club game, or tactics from the international game, but the importance of these two factors is not equal in every game.

[greendeiseboy]

the majority of us have only seen him play the once. his club see him day in day out - maybe he's not consistent enough for a regular spot. we can judge if they are right or not when he has a few more international games under his belt.

[Stuttgart88]

I saw him at U21 level & he excelled against the Swiss at Tolka. My Brighton supporting mate really rates him. But yes, he has made errors for WBA so it's all work in progress still.

[drinkfeckarse]

I'd say passion is more important at the international level than skill or tactics,

Passion is important but no way is it more important than skill. If that was the case half of us would have legitimate claims to be picked.

[irishfan86]

Passion is important but no way is it more important than skill. If that was the case half of us would have legitimate claims to be picked.

Within reason man, use your head.

If you've got a Premiership player with little or no passion, sit him for a Championship player with bucketloads of passion.

Off the top of my head, I'd pick McShane over O'****e for center back.

[drinkfeckarse]

Aye fair enough, just say "within reason" the next time then ;)