FAI Junior Cup 2005/06

[Nemesis]

No they're not. Won't be going any further than the quarters

You could be right but you could be very wrong also.

[Nemesis]

Of course they are worth a punt at 16/1
Who decides these odds anyway ?
Killester at 3/1 cause they beat the Port (at home where they are worst) and beat themselves at any rate !!!
UL are limited in areas but who isn't. They play direct Football but who doesn't. Castlebar Celtic should be longer odds because when they get on a big pitch against a good football team then they will be beaten. At home they are tough and lump the high balls in. - The Port were the complete opposite play football and travel well.
So UL worth a €20. Athrenry were humbled by Manulla remember who are average at best.

UL play a direct game at home but they have two capable midfield players through which alot of play is directed. In other words they are very capable of changing how they play.

[Nemesis]

Athenry were far from humbled by manulla, only lost in connaught cup and hammered Ballyheane v easily. Its hard understand those odds that ladbrokes have when Athenry beat Salthill & ballyheane 1-4 away , im sure theres money to be made on a few bets! theres a few interesting ties coming up so!

Anyone at the Ballyheane game could see that the limerick lads played well below par and still totally dominated the game. I would think the game against Athenry is fairly balanced and should be a good game to watch, provided a few refs with some moral backbone are introduced and not those three amigoes they had the last day. A few home decisions is something to be expected but to witness the events of last Sunday was nothing short of a disgrace and an insult to anyone watching the game. Well done lads if you read this you did your league proud.

[C.T.F.C]

Whats the story with Neilstown Rangers. Nobody seems to rate their chances against Castlebar! Cup football and all that???:D

[Athenryboy]

Anyone at the Ballyheane game could see that the limerick lads played well below par and still totally dominated the game. I would think the game against Athenry is fairly balanced and should be a good game to watch, provided a few refs with some moral backbone are introduced and not those three amigoes they had the last day. A few home decisions is something to be expected but to witness the events of last Sunday was nothing short of a disgrace and an insult to anyone watching the game. Well done lads if you read this you did your league proud.

Yea hopefully there are good officials for the next match , itll be a good match with a big crowd and a few beers after.
I have to say our away game experiences with local refs are very questionable, some shocking decisions, but there isnt much you can do about it.

[UL Boys]

ya we are the same but sure we will have a few beers ..There is alot of us going up on sat night what is the night life like up there..

[The Don]

Anyone at the Ballyheane game could see that the limerick lads played well below par and still totally dominated the game. I would think the game against Athenry is fairly balanced and should be a good game to watch, provided a few refs with some moral backbone are introduced and not those three amigoes they had the last day. A few home decisions is something to be expected but to witness the events of last Sunday was nothing short of a disgrace and an insult to anyone watching the game. Well done lads if you read this you did your league proud.

Apart from the penalty decision what other decision did the ref get wrong in the game?. I khow paper doesnt refuse ink but please back up comments like the above with some examples at least.

[Athenryboy]

ya we are the same but sure we will have a few beers ..There is alot of us going up on sat night what is the night life like up there..
Saturday night is usually quite good,big crowds around. The lively pubs on a saturday night are Dans Bar, The Hop Inn(Great Guinness!), Dowlings & Iggys Bar. Nightclub usually packed too, all based around the centre of the town so no problem finding them lads.

[UL Boys]

Sound man...We might see you for a pint up there..

[soccerc]

Whats the story with Neilstown Rangers. Nobody seems to rate their chances against Castlebar! Cup football and all that???:D

Thats good and say nothing to nobody - don't want the odds dropping from14/1.;)

Seriously, nobody will or should underestimate Neilstown Rangers who play good stylish football. :D

[renovater]

Athenry were far from humbled by manulla, only lost in connaught cup and hammered Ballyheane v easily. Its hard understand those odds that ladbrokes have when Athenry beat Salthill & ballyheane 1-4 away , im sure theres money to be made on a few bets! theres a few interesting ties coming up so!
Dont get carried away because you bet Ballyheane. you bet aside who at the time were just going though the motions.BALLYHEANE WOULD TAKE MANUALLA FOR STARTERS AND HAVE YOU FOR LUNCH on a good day.
Cup is the cup its all on the day.Anyway who ever heard of football played in athenry sure ya only around the last wet weekend.
were the tradidtion.
when I play football in galway once you left the city all you heard about was the GAA. I am sure around the fields of Anthenry hasn't changed that much.:mad:

[renovater]

Anyone at the Ballyheane game could see that the limerick lads played well below par and still totally dominated the game. I would think the game against Athenry is fairly balanced and should be a good game to watch, provided a few refs with some moral backbone are introduced and not those three amigoes they had the last day. A few home decisions is something to be expected but to witness the events of last Sunday was nothing short of a disgrace and an insult to anyone watching the game. Well done lads if you read this you did your league proud.

I don't offen have alot to say about Mayo Refs but lets get of the pot Home Decisions as you called it were made by Rosscommon Refs
Anyway I believe the ref got the decission against R.Coyne about right. its easy for you and I on the side line to think differantyou may some day you might take up the 12th man in black you may think twice.

[renovater]

Thats good and say nothing to nobody - don't want the odds dropping from14/1.;)

Seriously, nobody will or should underestimate Neilstown Rangers who play good stylish football. :D
I say and keep saying Nielstown won't be far away my favourites.:ball:

[Dr Mad]

Have to disagree after watching Neilstown struggle and lose against a poor Raheny team (AUL Premier B) last Sunday, totally undisciplined and question over fitness as well. 2 Players sent off, 1 a straight red for a horrible stupid cowards challenge and the other a twit getting 2 separate yellows for trying to punch balls into the net!! They will not make it out of Premier B never mind progress in the FAI Junior, theyre about the 4th best team in Clondalkin for gods sake! :eek:

[soccerc]

They will not make it out of Premier B never mind progress in the FAI Junior, theyre about the 4th best team in Clondalkin for gods sake! :eek:


??? I'd be interested in seeing what three junior Clondalkin sides you put ahead of them.

[Dr Mad]

Well how about you reply to my earlier question about your Portmarnock opinions and then I'll happily name the better teams in Clondalkin (as if you dont know them) ....

[soccerc]

Well how about you reply to my earlier question about your Portmarnock opinions and then I'll happily name the better teams in Clondalkin (as if you dont know them) ....

Sorry, i didn't see your reply. For example Barry Flynn and Keith Bruen moaning and bullying their way thru games. Constantly on the ref's case. Unable to accept decisons going against them.......need I go on?

Oh, St Francis are not my beloved.

Finally, there are not three better junior sides in Clondalkin than Neilstown Rangers

[Dr Mad]

Soccerc - you will have to try harder than that. Keith Bruen NEVER speaks to referees, never has done, just not his style, anyone that knows him over the years will verify that. And Barry Flynn's record speaks for itself, ask Gerry Smith what he thinks of him and why he's begging him to come out of retirement and play for the Junior International Team for another season. Or ask any of the midfielders he's played against around the country this season, including many 10-15 years younger than him.

So have you any more examples? And what games have you seen to base your opinion on? Seems like a lazy opinion to me. ;)

[soccerc]

Soccerc - you will have to try harder than that. Keith Bruen NEVER speaks to referees, never has done, just not his style, anyone that knows him over the years will verify that. And Barry Flynn's record speaks for itself, ask Gerry Smith what he thinks of him and why he's begging him to come out of retirement and play for the Junior International Team for another season. Or ask any of the midfielders he's played against around the country this season, including many 10-15 years younger than him.

So have you any more examples? And what games have you seen to base your opinion on? Seems like a lazy opinion to me. ;)

I have never doubted their talent just the manner in which they now present it. Are you denying that Flynn doesn't try to intimidate refs? and moans like hell at every decison? Keith is a massive player for Ports but again tell me honestly that he doesn't constantly niggle players on and off the ball, not always within the rules of sportmanship - gamemanship possibly! I have seen Ports on many many occasions over the past 10/12 years on which to base my opinion and that's all it is an opinion. That doesn't take into account others who are prone to leaving the boot in. Pity more couldn't be as gracious as Dougie Dolan!

Now tell me the three junior sides who in your opinion that are better then Neilstown?

[Dr Mad]

Here's what you said ....

"Portmarnock are living on past glories and haven't impressed me this term. Some senior players should call time and hang up their boots".

You still haven't explained this - just given some bizarre opinions about 2 players that most Clubs in Dublin would (still) welcome with open arms. Bruen? never a niggler or a wind-up merchant, on or off the ball. Flynn? no more or no less a whinger than any other good competitive midfielder.

By past glories do you mean winning Premier A and the Leinster Junior Cup last Season? Or making it to the last 8 this Season? A lot of Clubs with be very happy with that kind of "past" glory.

And for the record I would rate Newlands Celtic, Oatfield and Moyle Park as better teams than Neilstown (Never said Junior Teams) in Clondalkin right now. Seen them all in action this season and would fancy any of them to beat Neilstown.

[soccerc]

Here's what you said ....

"Portmarnock are living on past glories and haven't impressed me this term. Some senior players should call time and hang up their boots".

You still haven't explained this - just given some bizarre opinions about 2 players that most Clubs in Dublin would (still) welcome with open arms. Bruen? never a niggler or a wind-up merchant, on or off the ball. Flynn? no more or no less a whinger than any other good competitive midfielder.

By past glories do you mean winning Premier A and the Leinster Junior Cup last Season? Or making it to the last 8 this Season? A lot of Clubs with be very happy with that kind of "past" glory.

And for the record I would rate Newlands Celtic, Oatfield and Moyle Park as better teams than Neilstown (Never said Junior Teams) in Clondalkin right now. Seen them all in action this season and would fancy any of them to beat Neilstown.

If you really consider Oatfield and Newlands Celtic to be better sides than Neilstown then I fear for any other opinions you may have.

Newlands are a very local group of lads whom I've known since most were kids. They are a good Div 1 side nothing more nothing less. However, they are certainly not in the same bracket as Rangers. Maybe Ports underestimated them in the recent cup game where you were lucky to win 2-1.

I agree Moyle park would be a better team/club but then again they are an Intermediate outfit so in all fairness should be. Oatfield are not even at the races as far as I am concerned. St Francis would be well ahead of them in terms of talent and potential and I would not count them in the top five Clondalkin sides.

I have no affiliation with any club so my opinions are not tainted by allegience to a club I may support.

[Dr Mad]

Well soccerc, I'll bow to your superior local knowledge.
My opinion is based on what I've seen of those Clondalkin Clubs this season, and the years I've watched Neilstown try to re-capture the real past glories (FAI Junior Cup Winners back in the early 90's if I'm right?).

As an ex-Porto Player of course I'm biased, but history will be the Judge.

You still haven't explained your earlier comments though .......

[abbeyvale]

Quarter Final Draw

Athenry v ULAA
Pike Rovers v Salthill Devon or Waterford Crystal
Clonmel Town v Castelbar Celtic or Neilstown Rangers
Portmarnock v Killester United

to be played weekend of 4/5 March

[tipp man]

Whats the latest on the Carew Park appeal? When will Castlebar and Neilstown play?

[abbeyvale]

Whats the latest on the Carew Park appeal? When will Castlebar and Neilstown play?


I was speaking to a Carew Pk player yesterday and he had no update as of then.
They are still waiting to hear.

[the only 1]

whens the salthill v crystal match on?

[soccerc]

Whats the latest on the Carew Park appeal? When will Castlebar and Neilstown play?


Latest is appeal will be heard early next week with the tie now provisionally set for 5th march

[swinfordfc]

whens the salthill v crystal match on?

Sunday week.

[clean sheet]

Soccerc - you will have to try harder than that. Keith Bruen NEVER speaks to referees, never has done, just not his style, anyone that knows him over the years will verify that. And Barry Flynn's record speaks for itself, ask Gerry Smith what he thinks of him and why he's begging him to come out of retirement and play for the Junior International Team for another season. Or ask any of the midfielders he's played against around the country this season, including many 10-15 years younger than him.

So have you any more examples? And what games have you seen to base your opinion on? Seems like a lazy opinion to me. ;)

they are alot of equally good players as barry flynn if gerry smith
starts looking outside dublin and looks around at games .how many player in the last 3 seasons that were in junior cup final and not got a cap.

[Dr Mad]

Maybe there are players as good, but Flynn's done it year in and year out for 10 years plus.

4 Junior Cups, 60+ caps, buckets of leagues and cups in Limerick and Dublin.

Attitude, Application and Experience counts as well you know.

[lim abroad]

great player he is,think he won four in a row junior cups

[headerball]

i think they winners may come from the following,

westport
killester
pike
carew
carrick
portmanock

outside bet
athenry

good chance the winner may come from my original selection.

[kingpin]

they are alot of equally good players as barry flynn if gerry smith
starts looking outside dublin and looks around at games .how many player in the last 3 seasons that were in junior cup final and not got a cap.
Well said, it seems that this Irish junior set up is all a click. You have to know people to get in there. There should be trials for each province at least every two years. Whilst i am not saying that whoever is already on the team isnt a good player, i think there is players as good if not better to be found around the country that should not be denied the oppertunity to represtent their country due to the woefull way the Irish junior setup is run!

[renovater]

they are alot of equally good players as barry flynn if gerry smith
starts looking outside dublin and looks around at games .how many player in the last 3 seasons that were in junior cup final and not got a cap.

Will someone give J smyth a map or show him the way across the Shannon he only manage 1 junior player out of Mayo over last 5 years.
When you here so many youth players making the grade for Country and across the pond one wonders?:mad:

[mullerj52]

I Agree renovater, Mayo have had just three international Junior players since 1980. Fergie Mcellin, Fergal Forde and Joe Lawless. Not forgetting Danny Schaill who played for the National league under 21 side. I am not sure about Dessie O'Malley.
My point is (and this is aimed at Mayo ppl especially) who do YOU think should get a run? Even in Galway there is the likes of Johnny Mernagh who is banging them in for Athenry. Let me know.

[Thunderblaster]

I Agree renovater, Mayo have had just three international Junior players since 1980. Fergie Mcellin, Fergal Forde and Joe Lawless. Not forgetting Danny Schaill who played for the National league under 21 side. I am not sure about Dessie O'Malley.
My point is (and this is aimed at Mayo ppl especially) who do YOU think should get a run? Even in Galway there is the likes of Johnny Mernagh who is banging them in for Athenry. Let me know.

Get in touch with Gerry Smyth.

[renovater]

I Agree renovater, Mayo have had just three international Junior players since 1980. Fergie Mcellin, Fergal Forde and Joe Lawless. Not forgetting Danny Schaill who played for the National league under 21 side. I am not sure about Dessie O'Malley.
My point is (and this is aimed at Mayo ppl especially) who do YOU think should get a run? Even in Galway there is the likes of Johnny Mernagh who is banging them in for Athenry. Let me know.
At last someone else see's the light O'Malley & Lawless didnt play international cap but your point is taken. The Mernagh should be getting his chance.
What should be happening Mr smyth should be calling for Regional Camps and picking players from all over the country.But instead he rather not cross the pale
unless it's a junior final played in Connaught.
When you think that Westport were F.A.I. Junior Champions How none of there players have been given the call up.
I'm afraid as history would have it "To hell or to Connaught"
one wonders

[FahyForever]

Joe Lawless has been capped as far as I know Renovator.

[HuRya]

The Carew Pk objection against the eligibility of Castlebar players was heard by the FAI Senior Council last night in Dublin.Anyone find out what the FINAL OUTCOME was?

[the only 1]

The Carew Pk objection against the eligibility of Castlebar players was heard by the FAI Senior Council last night in Dublin.Anyone find out what the FINAL OUTCOME was?

will know thursday but they think the least they will get is a replay same sxxt as last year they are making a joke out of this again

[hoops12]

will know thursday but they think the least they will get is a replay same sxxt as last year they are making a joke out of this again


just heard that carew lost appeal

[renovater]

just heard that carew lost appeal
decission out wednesday doubt anyone knows yet

[hoops12]

decission out wednesday doubt anyone knows yet

its official carew got a fax at 4 0 clock today they are thinking about going
to court now,

[the only 1]

its official carew got a fax at 4 0 clock today they are thinking about going
to court now,

the begging starts so again doubt if any of the clubs will bk them again its a joke heard theres an objection in against ul as well?

[swinfordfc]

Personally this FAI Cup is becoming abit of a joke at this stage, can we just get on with the football?

At last Salthill v Waterford Crystal on this weekend

[The Don]

the begging starts so again doubt if any of the clubs will bk them again its a joke heard theres an objection in against ul as well?

Who has the objection in against UL.

[Happy Zapper]

The objection was because one of the Limerick players was sent off in a local cup game and served his ban so there was no grounds for an objection. It would be interesting to see who made the call to the Ballyheane Club?

[The Don]

The objection was because one of the Limerick players was sent off in a local cup game and served his ban so there was no grounds for an objection. It would be interesting to see who made the call to the Ballyheane Club?

Ballyheane did not lodge any objection!. Dont know where or by whom this story originated, but I know the club were contacted from limerick with regards to appealing against certain players. The club did not wish to persue this as they felt they lost the game fairly and could have no complaints.

[leather]

Don, If what you say about objection is correct FAIR PLAY TO You.........
Having had first hand expierence, here in limerick, of phone calls being made to opposition teams about players legality i dont doubt that there were phone calls. Certain facts about who made the phone calls would be very interesting.the only way that this will stop is if the clubs being phoned, by whom ever, record the phonecalls and from what organisation(****) the calls originate. the clubs then need to report this at the delegate meeting. Clubs need to put football ahead of inter-club bitching to get rid of this snide and disgusting practice by who ever is doing it.............sorry about the rant!!!

[hoops12]

The objection was because one of the Limerick players was sent off in a local cup game and served his ban so there was no grounds for an objection. It would be interesting to see who made the call to the Ballyheane Club?

stop trying to get ANOTHER bandwagon going thats what nearly finished
this site last year,a friend of a ballyheane player is going to college in ul
and he was at ulaa match when the player was sent off thats how they know
and he could,nt have served his ban cos he was sent off the week before
the bally game.