UEFA Euro 2028

[JR89]

Casement will cost €400m (funding coming from UK gov + GAA + Irish gov). I can see why as a Unionist, I wouldn’t want my tax being spent on a GAA stadium. (We’ll skip past the complexities of Windsor and Ravenhill getting refurbished and redeveloped about a decade ago for far less money in a time when it was cheaper to build stadia).

That desire makes sense to me - but if I have the choice to drive 90 mins to see my team play vs paying probably £300, taking a flight to Birmingham etc etc - I’m driving every time.

If I had the choice of Ireland playing Windsor or Villa Stadium, I’m picking Windsor.

And as for Dublin, playing a hurling final in Windsor - I honestly wouldn’t care.

The little Englanders would probably prefer to spend the extra money to visit the motherland.

[Eirambler]

A fair bit of political kite flying going on at the moment.

Firstly Páirc Uí Chaiomh - not a hope there will be any games there. That stadium was designed for hurling, with a bit of gaelic football and the odd rugby game or concert on the side. If they were wanting to build it to cover major international sporting events they should have built it in a completely different form than they did. But that was their choice to make - the stadium as built can't host Euros games and can't be turned into a venue that can host them without being pretty much rebuilt again. It's a complete non-starter.

Croke Park - could do the job alright. The Hill would probably not be used, but that still leaves over 70,000 seats, sizeable corporate and media facilities and plenty of premium areas. It wouldn't take a lot to have it up to UEFA standards and UEFA previously accepted a much smaller stadium in Portugal where one end was a rock face with no seats, so an empty Hill wouldn't be likely to make much difference, even if they rule out temporary seating (which was apparently fine for FIFA in Russia a few years ago). The two venues in a city thing could be overruled again I would imagine if the will was there to keep the games on the island.

However, the more likely outcome I would guess is that the games are just shifted across the existing venues without too much fuss. The compromise might end up being that Dublin gets two extra games at Lansdowne, rather than just one extra. Then maybe one each for Scotland, Wales and England (was it five the north were supposed to be getting?).

The bigger row will likely be about the qualification places, given there is currently scope for 1) a UEFA member auto qualifying that isn't hosting any games and 2) a UEFA member that isn't hosting any games being allocated a qualification place at the expense of one or more UEFA members that are hosting games.

Given that we are now down to four actual host members I would argue the best thing that could be done at this point is to allocate three host places (not unreasonable for a 24 team tournament) safe in the knowledge that everyone knows that England will qualify and therefore all members hosting games will be at the tournament.

[Diggs246]

If I was a nordie I would be going ballistic about this
Jesus think past your noses guys. We made 110m for an American college game a few weeks ago
If you have casement built get it locked in to the contract, that has to be used for the benefit of the all of Northern Ireland

[EalingGreen]

I'd personally think it'd be a win for everyone if the Casement Park's games were moved to Croke Park. It's just an hour 45 mins from Belfast by car and 1 hour 15 mins from somewhere like Warrenpoint. Means if NI qualify, they could have an easily accessible stadium for their fans. Would also be easier for NI to hold onto training bases etc for teams, if there were more games on the island.So we've gone from NI's football matches being staged in a GAA stadium in Belfast, to NI's football matches being played in a GAA stadium in Dublin, incidentally the same city as will also be hosting games at the AVIVA?

Meanwhile, NI doesn't as yet really have a suitable training base (incidentally my own hope for a "legacy" from this tournament) for competing teams.

Take a step back and think again about what you're proposing...


I understand the 1 stadium per city rule, but I reckon that's relatively movable, considering the unique circumstances. The fact it was shortlisted is also a sign of this - why would they shortlist 2 dublin stadia if they had no possibility at all of using Croke Park.

the only issue i can see is the amount of hotel beds - but i think the spill just spreads outwards - across the pale and maybe into Belfast as well, which is another positive for NI."Unique circumstances"? Are we veering into "Team 33" territory here?

As for the shortlist, that was drawn up by the five Associations, not UEFA - I don't blame the FAI for asking, but when Old Trafford, Anfield and Sunderland were rejected, what hope was there for Croke?

And look at it from UEFA's and the competing teams' and fans' pov. Do they really want to be away from the main action (i.e. GB) unless absolutely necessary? I mean, those ROI-based teams who qualify from their Group are either having to take flights/ferries to continue in the tournament, or decamp entirely to GB.

Meanwhile, if the one-stadium-per-city rule is "movable", then why weren't England entitled to have two venues in London - a city with twice the population of ROI, 7 x PL clubs, 5 x 30k+ stadia (plus Wembley and Twickenham), the most sophisticated urban transport system in the world after Tokyo, 5 x international airports and a rail link to the Continent. Oh and many more hotel beds than ROI and NI combined. Do you really imagine that UEFA are going to make an exception for FAI/Dublin?

[nigel-harps1954]

Head in the sand stuff to think either Croke Park or Pairc Ui Chaoimh will get games.

[EalingGreen]

having read up on it, i don't think it's a Uefa rule at all or there's nothing that even indicates Uefa care about. Euro 2004 for example had 2 in Porto and 2 in Lisbon, comparable cities to Dublin

The bid decided to adopt it as a principal:

FAI CEO Jonathan Hill earlier explained that London aside, the bid had adopted a “one city, one stadium” approach.
He said: ‘In all major bid processes, you start with a short list of stadia, and this is whittled down to a final agreed list in order to give the bid the best chance of success and reflects the streamlined nature of the tournament.
‘This bid started with 14 stadia, and we now have our agreed final 10 which have been submitted "The bid, with the exemption of London, is based on a ‘one city, one stadia’ principle, and together we believe the list offers an array of superb stadia from across the UK and Ireland.There is no comparison between 2004 and 2028. For one thing, that tournament only had 16 teams. And for another, distances between the venues were far shorter than between Eng/Scot/Wales/NI/ROI. While to incorporate another couple of stadia in separate Portugese cities would have meant a 25-30k stadium in a city of fewer than 100k people, which may not even have had a f-t professional club previously.

Above all, the Portugese government paid an absolute fortune to a load of clubs to build new stadia or rebuild existing ones, so that UEFA appreciated the physical legacy that the tournament was providing - they weren't going to chance their arm by demanding that games be taken away from one of Sporting/Benfica or Porto/Boavista, to be staged instead in some provincial backwater in the middle of nowhere, were they?

And as for London, the FA wanted Wembley, which they own, for England games, but UEFA declined, since it would give them an "unfair advantage" to be in their "home" stadium. (Very few other major countries have a specific National Stadium where the NT plays all its games). Therefore they were told to choose another venue (Spurs), with Wembley kept in reserve for the Semi's and Final.

[EalingGreen]

Beds is it ?
You don't see that unionism up there dug in like their forefathers at the Somme not to play in Casement & managed to punt it into the long grass other side of the tournament, yet you think they'll roll up happily at HQ in Dublin instead ?

Picture a hurling final ending up at Windsor. Picture your county in it. It'd suck balls wouldn't it.Sorry, have I stumbled onto politics.ie, or the Sinn Fein home page?

Either way, that sort of garbage adds precisely nothing of value towards a debate which has otherwise been conducted respectfully and relevantly.

[ifk101]

Why would any team want to use NI as a training base?

[EalingGreen]

Casement will cost €400m (funding coming from UK gov + GAA + Irish gov). I can see why as a Unionist, I wouldn’t want my tax being spent on a GAA stadium.
Do not believe that construction inflation accounts for increased costs from the original £77m agreed by the GAA, to the present £200m? £300m? £400m? being speculated at present. The major factor is the GAA demanding a build a shiny big, all-singing all-dancing super stadium which they themselves forecast would be filled to a 32k capacity for precisely one sporting event per year, the Ulster Senior Football Final. (That 32k figure was proposed long before the Euros were even considered and itself followed their original demand for 38k, before they were told that that would never pass H&S).

And even for construction inflation, whose fault was it that 14 years later, they haven't even put a spade in the ground at what is a derelict tip? (Clue: an organisation with the initials "G", "A" and "A").


Casement will cost €400m (funding coming from UK gov + GAA + Irish gov). I can see why as a Unionist, I wouldn’t want my tax being spent on a GAA stadium. (We’ll skip past the complexities of Windsor and Ravenhill getting refurbished and redeveloped about a decade ago for far less money in a time when it was cheaper to build stadia).
It's not - or shouldn't be - anything to do with Unionism or Nationalism etc, not least since just as many Unionists aren't particularly interested in Football, many Nationalists aren't particularly interested in Gaelic games either. Rather it is to do with resources and priorities. And as a taxpayer, I can see no justification whatever in seeing my government handing over maybe £300m for a White Elephant like that. And I genuinely would say the same if they were to blow, say, £300m on Windsor.

But now you bring football into it, consider this. When The Maze Stadium was (finally) binned, HMG agreed to hand over the £154m budget to build their own national/provincial stadia as follows. The GAA and IFA were to receive equal amounts i.e. £62m each, with Ulster Rugby to get £20m (to reflect their much lower participation rates etc).

The GAA decided to rebuild Casement for £77m (i.e. adding £15m from their own resources). While the IFA decided to spend £26m of HMG's funding on Windsor, with the remaining £36m to go towards sub-regional stadia throughout NI (it was widely believed that Glentoran and Derry City were to get the bulk, £10m each). HMG imposed a condition that this latter sum would not be released until Windsor/Casement/Ravenhill were completed first.

Which means that it's not just Casement/Andytown/Antrim which have suffered from the (avoidable) delay incurred by the GAA's incompetence, but NI's other football clubs too. Is anyone going to compensate them for construction inflation?

Which is before you get to the original principle that the IFA and GAA should both be treated equally - "parity of esteem" and all that. Meaning that if HMG were to come up with, say, an extra £100m for the GAA over and above the original £62m, then they should be honour bound to do the same for the IFA. Or at least, they should divide whatever etra sum they do have equally between the two bodies, with a smaller portion for Rugby while they're at it.


That desire makes sense to me - but if I have the choice to drive 90 mins to see my team play vs paying probably £300, taking a flight to Birmingham etc etc - I’m driving every time.

If I had the choice of Ireland playing Windsor or Villa Stadium, I’m picking Windsor.

And as for Dublin, playing a hurling final in Windsor - I honestly wouldn’t care.Sounds reasonable enough to me but how about this for an alternative? Instead of blowing £400m on Casement, the two governments could instead use it to buy every NI and ROI fan a return ticket with Ryanair to all our respective games - and still have enough left over for a drink at the bar, John Delaney-style!

[Eirambler]

Why would any team want to use NI as a training base?



It would be like going to Saipan or somewhere...oh wait!


There's probably going to be a handful of teams based in Ireland for the group stages, so I don't see why one of them couldn't be based up there. Of course if they're gifted a place (or qualify through the normal systems, unlikely as that may be), they could use it themselves.

How many facilities are there around Ireland at the moment that could facilitate an international squad for two weeks, including accommodation, training facilities, pitches etc all on one site? There's Carton House, but are there many more? Maybe Moyvalley or Adare Manor or somewhere? Most of those places are more built around golf clubs rather than team sports facilities.

[EalingGreen]

If I was a nordie I would be going ballistic about this
Jesus think past your noses guys. We made 110m for an American college game a few weeks ago
If you have casement built get it locked in to the contract, that has to be used for the benefit of the all of Northern IrelandI'm not sure that all of it should be somehow handed back etc - the GAA certainly deserves a reasonable (stress) amount to rebuild Casement.

But one of the GAA's justifications for building such a stadium was that it could also be used for non-sporting events, such as concerts and festivals. (They had to come up with something, I suppose, seeing as even by their their own admission, there was precious little justification for 38k/32k for sporting purposes).

Anyhow, just think of the implications of that:
1. This is public money being provided to compete with existing private or Council-owned events venues, which receive little or no subsidy themselves;
and
2. This money is coming from NI's sports budget and so should be used for sporting purposes only. Meaning any profit derived from non-sporting events should be returned to the donors at HMG/Stormont/Dublin etc, ideally to be redistributed amongst other sports, whom I'm sure would appreciate it.

[EalingGreen]

How many facilities are there around Ireland at the moment that could facilitate an international squad for two weeks, including accommodation, training facilities, pitches etc all on one site? There's Carton House, but are there many more? Maybe Moyvalley or Adare Manor or somewhere? Most of those places are more built around golf clubs rather than team sports facilities.Now, now, don't be asking inconvenient questions like that!

Besides which, don't you know the Minister's reply? I have it handy here for just such occasions:
"Ah now, don't worry, sure it'll all be grand, just you wait and see..."

[ifk101]

It would be like going to Saipan or somewhere...oh wait!


There's probably going to be a handful of teams based in Ireland for the group stages, so I don't see why one of them couldn't be based up there. Of course if they're gifted a place (or qualify through the normal systems, unlikely as that may be), they could use it themselves.

How many facilities are there around Ireland at the moment that could facilitate an international squad for two weeks, including accommodation, training facilities, pitches etc all on one site? There's Carton House, but are there many more? Maybe Moyvalley or Adare Manor or somewhere? Most of those places are more built around golf clubs rather than team sports facilities.

If teams playing out of Dublin are based in NI, that's potential investment lost in our infrastructure. The FAI surely don't want this. The goal should be to maximise the legacy impact of the tournament for our facilities, not share benefits with another association that isn't even hosting. Similar for the Welsh and Scottish FAs. And there practicalities involved - it is two different political jurisdications after all. If a team is playing in Dublin, why bother with any eventual hassle of being based in NI? And look at it from UEFA's and the competing teams' and fans' pov. Do they really want to be away from the main action unless absolutely necessary? I mean, those potential NI-based teams are either having to take flights/ferries/ lengthy cross-border bus journeys to partake in the tournament.

[Eirambler]

Now, now, don't be asking inconvenient questions like that!

Besides which, don't you know the Minister's reply? I have it handy here for just such occasions:
"Ah now, don't worry, sure it'll all be grand, just you wait and see..."



Had a quick search and there seems to be few. Carton House as mentioned - the Irish rugby team base themselves there for extended camps so it will be a decent standard. Castleknock Hotel has a setup also and the Ireland football team stay there a lot. And Johnstown Estate is another. But probably still scope for one location like that in the north if there isn't anything of that type there already.

[ifk101]

Fota Island?

[EalingGreen]

Why would any team want to use NI as a training base?When you put it like that...

But I would put it another way. Whenever UEFA and the various governments talk about these things, esp including the money being spent on them, they always bang on about "legacy".

Usually this legacy comes in the form of stadia, even though sometimes these are hardly very much used subsequently. Now had NI/IFA got a new 30k football stadium from the Euro's I'd have been delighted (obv), but that was never going to happen.

But we do desperately need a proper National Training Centre, so I hope the IFA are pushing HMG hard that if they (HMG) are going to provide an enhanced sum towards the GAA for Casement, then on the principle of equality etc, they could surely find a sum of, say, £30-40m to build such a Centre for Football. This would provide a genuine legacy for the game in NI for years to come, with the added bonus that some of the Euro28 teams could choose it as their base for a couple of weeks. (As others have said, Belfast is only a couple of hours by road or rail from Dublin, or even a 40 minutes flight to Liverpool, Manchester or Glasgow, from either of our two, yes two, international airports in the city!)

[Eirambler]

If teams playing out of Dublin are based in NI, that's potential investment lost in our infrastructure.

That's an inevitable outcome of Casement falling off the list of stadiums, and it goes beyond just football into the wider economy. Two stadiums in Ireland meant more teams based here, more requirement to develop facilities, more investment both in sport and the wider economy. There would definitely have been a fair bit of economic overspill into the republic as a result of a stadium being used in the north, given how small the north is in comparison - they were never going to be able to accommodate a whole group's worth of teams.

Which is probably why all the politicians are coming out now to at least make it look like they're trying to keep those games on the island, however unlikely that may be to come to pass.

[Eirambler]

When you put it like that...

But I would put it another way. Whenever UEFA and the various governments talk about these things, esp including the money being spent on them, they always bang on about "legacy".

Usually this legacy comes in the form of stadia, even though sometimes these are hardly very much used subsequently. Now had NI/IFA got a new 30k football stadium from the Euro's I'd have been delighted (obv), but that was never going to happen.

But we do desperately need a proper National Training Centre, so I hope the IFA are pushing HMG hard that if they (HMG) are going to provide an enhanced sum towards the GAA for Casement, then on the principle of equality etc, they could surely find a sum of, say, £30-40m to build such a Centre for Football. This would provide a genuine legacy for the game in NI for years to come, with the added bonus that some of the Euro28 teams could choose it as their base for a couple of weeks. (As others have said, Belfast is only a couple of hours by road or rail from Dublin, or even a 40 minutes flight to Liverpool, Manchester or Glasgow, from either of our two, yes two, international airports in the city!)

Where do they meet up and train currently ahead of games, out of interest? For a tournament like Euro 2016, were they not based there at some period in a camp before the tournament, or was it all done somewhere in England before they went to France for the tournament itself?

[ifk101]

When you put it like that...

The FAI should not be sharing/ diluting the benefits of hosting the tournament with an association not hosting games - and especially in the context of its funding needs (https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/2023/06/08/fai-request-517-million-of-government-investment-over-15-years/)

Any team using a training camp in NI, and playing out of Dublin, is investment in our facilities lost.


(.... from either of our two, yes two, international airports in the city!)

Yet you regularly see NI fans using Dublin for flights.

[EalingGreen]

The FAI should not be sharing/ diluting the benefits of hosting the tournament with an association not hosting games - and especially in the context of its funding needs (https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/2023/06/08/fai-request-517-million-of-government-investment-over-15-years/)

Any team using a training camp in NI, and playing out of Dublin, is investment in our facilities lost. Surely it is for the teams themselves to determine where they stay/train, not the local Association(s)? And they will choose the facilities which best suit their needs, including travelling times.

While your fears over teams using Belfast is entirely moot anyhow, since barring Jordanstown(?), there is probably nowhere feasible in NI. And if we were somehow to get an NTC that could do the job before 2028, that would only be as a result of funding from HMG, not Dublin/FAI.


Yet you regularly see NI fans using Dublin for flights.Not for games in GB you don't.

[ifk101]

Surely it is for the teams themselves to determine where they stay/train, not the local Association(s)? And they will choose the facilities which best suit their needs, including travelling times.

This is true.


While your fears over teams using Belfast is entirely moot anyhow, since barring Jordanstown(?), there is probably nowhere feasible in NI.

And this is also true. Teams can choose of their own accord of course. But the goal of the FAI should be maximising the benefits of hosting the tournament. If teams chose NI as a base because it is a “host” that conflicts with this goal – there is a potential diversion of benefits to the IFA from the FAI. If the IFA is removed as a hosting association but teams chose to locate training camps in NI anyways, the FAI is not losing out in this scenario. We know in this scenario that the IFA status as a “host” did not influence the decision to base in NI.


And if we were somehow to get an NTC that could do the job before 2028, that would only be as a result of funding from HMG, not Dublin/FAI.

As long as Dublin/ FAI is not funding the IFA, I've no interest in where or how the IFA gets funding. Not sure what the FAI's "committment" to keep the IFA/NI involved in hosting the tournament means in this respect https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/casement-park-fai-make-northern-29939530


Not for games in GB you don't.

My bad. Was thrown by your use of the word “international”.

[Diggs246]

Here's a question, does the competition name remain euro 2028 UK & Ireland or is is now euro 2028 Britain & Ireland

not that it makes the slightest difference

[Eirambler]

They'll keep the north involved in some way, even if it's just some nonsense like holding the tournament draw in Belfast or something inconsequential like that.

[Diggs246]

They'll keep the north involved in some way, even if it's just some nonsense like holding the tournament draw in Belfast or something inconsequential like that.


Really? surely its goodnight Irene

they're not a host? I mean if you are saying that NI will also get the benefit or possible automatic qualification as hosts, thats outrageous!

[Eirambler]

Don't think it will stretch to an automatic qualification place, at least not at the expense of another host. It would be ridiculous if they were handing out auto q's and gave one to the north but not to an actual host. I think they might still be involved in some way, but not in a playing capacity (unless they qualify by right of course).

[Eirambler]

Michael O'Neill at his squad announcement this week more or less confirmed that the north have given up on any hope of auto qualifying for Euro 2028 as a host nation. So one less team to divide the qualification places between. Given that England will qualify through the groups the worst case scenario now seems to be two qualification places to be split between Ireland, Scotland and Wales. If any of the three qualify automatically, then all three will qualify for the finals.

[Eirambler]

Thomas Byrne back out in the media talking shyte again today, this time saying that the government wants the country to host more Euro 2028 games, but ruling out the only city that actually has the infrastructure to host them...

Minister Byrne said today that the government had told UEFA that it is willing to host the games intended for Belfast but outside of Dublin. "We want more matches," he said. "We've expressed a view to UEFA, we want them on a regional basis." Páirc Uí Chaoimh in Cork has been suggested as a potential replacement for Casement Park.

[rebelmusic]

Thomas Byrne back out in the media talking shyte again today, this time saying that the government wants the country to host more Euro 2028 games, but ruling out the only city that actually has the infrastructure to host them...

Minister Byrne said today that the government had told UEFA that it is willing to host the games intended for Belfast but outside of Dublin. "We want more matches," he said. "We've expressed a view to UEFA, we want them on a regional basis." Páirc Uí Chaoimh in Cork has been suggested as a potential replacement for Casement Park.

What's your logic for Cork not being able to host games? All Pairc Ui Caoimh would need is additonal seating installed which is hardly a huge ask over the next 3 years. There's been Munster games put on there that were sold out and have been really successful. There are soccer fans living outside of the capital you know.

[Acornvilla]

What's your logic for Cork not being able to host games? All Pairc Ui Caoimh would need is additonal seating installed which is hardly a huge ask over the next 3 years. There's been Munster games put on there that were sold out and have been really successful. There are soccer fans living outside of the capital you know.
I don't know the ins and outs, but I've seen it been said before that it would take a lot more than a few extra seats to make that stadium viable for the min requirements for a Uefa stadium. They're just suggesting things that won't and can't happen.

I'm pretty sure the list of cities/stadiums that will host are already decided anyway, including backups, there's nothing on the list outside of Dublin, it can't happen, and we don't have any particular sway to make it happen that I foresee. The UK is full of stadiums ready to go, Vs vague hopes of maybe having a stadium that could do it.

[EalingGreen]

What's your logic for Cork not being able to host games? All Pairc Ui Caoimh would need is additonal seating installed which is hardly a huge ask over the next 3 years. There's been Munster games put on there that were sold out and have been really successful. There are soccer fans living outside of the capital you know.Here are UEFA's requirements for staging Euro24. Stadia are covered in Sector 6, which cover 98 pages of fine type, with detail ranging from eg the need for completely covered stands, right down to the number of hairdryers to be available in each dressing room:
https://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/OfficialDocument/uefaorg/Regulations/02/46/30/61/2463061_DOWNLOAD.pdf

I can categorically state that there is not a chance of Pairc Ui Caoimh being able to comply, end of.


There's been Munster games put on there that were sold out and have been really successful. There are soccer fans living outside of the capital you know.And?

UEFA couldn't give a stuff about any of that, not least when right now there are maybe half a dozen additional football (i.e. not GAA) stadia in England which aren't even on the FA's list, but which could probably stage Euro games tomorrow.

There will not be any Euro games in Cork, nor will there be additional games in Croke, since UEFA does not allow any single city to host more than one set of games, and the AVIVA already has that one secured for Dublin.

[EalingGreen]

I don't know the ins and outs, but I've seen it been said before that it would take a lot more than a few extra seats to make that stadium viable for the min requirements for a Uefa stadium. They're just suggesting things that won't and can't happen.

I'm pretty sure the list of cities/stadiums that will host are already decided anyway, including backups, there's nothing on the list outside of Dublin, it can't happen, and we don't have any particular sway to make it happen that I foresee. The UK is full of stadiums ready to go, Vs vague hopes of maybe having a stadium that could do it.Spot on.

I mean, in my above post I cited eg the need for all stands to be covered, so that even if there was the money to build new roofs, which there isn't, I doubt very much that the existing foundations could bear the extra weight Then when you add eg all the media, parking, IT and transport requirements etc, over and above the need to be all-seater, it would probably be easier and cheaper to knock the whole thing down and start again. Which simply isn't going to happen. Obviously.

P.S. Did I mention that UEFA also requires exclusive access to, and control over, the entire stadium from a month before the tournament starts? Smack bang in the middle of the GAA season, that is.

[Eirambler]

What's your logic for Cork not being able to host games?

The state of Páirc Ui Chaoimh relative to what would be needed to host Euros games basically. As pointed out by others, it goes way beyond nailing down a few thousand seats onto the terraces. This isn't the Heineken Cup. It's a complete non starter.

What the government should be doing, if they have any sense at all, is making a play for extra games at Lansdowne Road (sorry, "Dublin Stadium").

[EalingGreen]

The state of Páirc Ui Chaoimh relative to what would be needed to host Euros games basically. As pointed out by others, it goes way beyond nailing down a few thousand seats onto the terraces. This isn't the Heineken Cup. It's a complete non starter.
Agree.


What the government should be doing, if they have any sense at all, is making a play for extra games at Lansdowne Road (sorry, "Dublin Stadium").No harm, but the logistics don't allow for this, either stadium or city.

Nor will UEFA take a chance on the pitch standing up to the extra wear and tear.

I mean, the FA wanted England to be able to play their games at Wembley, but this wasn't allowed, since Wembley is reserved for the Final (and possibly the semi-finals?), so they had to opt for Tottenham's stadium. Which under the one stadium per city rule is London's sole host stadium.

[ifk101]

P.S. Did I mention that UEFA also requires exclusive access to, and control over, the entire stadium from a month before the tournament starts? Smack bang in the middle of the GAA season, that is.

Of the long list of issues with PuC as a venue, this is at the bottom (if on the list at all).

[~YTM~]

Of the long list of issues with PuC as a venue, this is at the bottom (if on the list at all).

Yeah Cork GAA would have no issue handing that stadium over that it wouldn't make the list of issues regarding Cork hosting games. It's the other long list of things that costs money which is the issue.

Only way Ireland gets to hold extra games is if the FAs can get UEFA onboard with Croke Park being used or work out something where Aviva is able to host extra games. It's just gonna be easier to move the games to another stadium in England.

[~YTM~]

So UEFA will be going ahead with a 9 stadium tournament and will redistributed the 5 games that were planned for Casement to other hosts.

FAI have expressed an interest in hosting two of those games but scheduling likely only allow one extra game to be played in the Aviva.

Nothing officially confirmed but David Courell says that only countries who actually host games will be eligible for automatic qualification.

[Eirambler]

This is being put out by the Irish media as a major story tonight, but I'm not really sure why because Michael O'Neill confirmed this in an interview over a month ago.

Also the Irish Times headline here is hugely misleading. There's still a real possibility that one of the four hosts won't qualify automatically.

https://archive.ph/7lKXM

[Eirambler]

So, despite the headlines 6 months ago, and again last week, claiming that Ireland would be guaranteed a spot at Euro 2028 as hosts, the actual situation is not that at all.

In order to get a spot without earning it ourselves on merit, we would need at least two of England, Scotland and Wales to qualify automatically (it's no use to us if it's through the playoffs).

Despite a decent showing in the last Nations League Wales are a team in decline post Bale and Ramsay and Scotland are mediocre with a strong midfield but huge weaknesses in goal, at the centre of defence and in attack.

There's a genuine chance that one of the host teams could miss out here. At least it's better than if the north were still involved, as in that case two host teams could have missed out.

[Eirambler]

Also, if I'm reading it correctly, it looks like the Nations League playoff spots will be primarily for group winners this time around. So we likely would have been better to have been relegated from the B division to the C division in terms of getting a playoff place if that element of the qualification system has been changed in that way.

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So, despite the headlines 6 months ago, and again last week, claiming that Ireland would be guaranteed a spot at Euro 2028 as hosts, the actual situation is not that at all.

In order to get a spot without earning it ourselves on merit, we would need at least two of England, Scotland and Wales to qualify automatically (it's no use to us if it's through the playoffs).

Despite a decent showing in the last Nations League Wales are a team in decline post Bale and Ramsay and Scotland are mediocre with a strong midfield but huge weaknesses in goal, at the centre of defence and in attack.

There's a genuine chance that one of the host teams could miss out here. At least it's better than if the north were still involved, as in that case two host teams could have missed out.

just to note that 20 teams qualify automatically - 12 group runners and the 8 best runners up. so we need two of england, wales and scotland to finish as group winners or one of the best 8 runners up, should we fail to get the business done ourselves.

i am not clear what happens if the above criteria is met but we end up in a playoff and lose. i guess we still get in.

[pineapple stu]

Also, if I'm reading it correctly, it looks like the Nations League playoff spots will be primarily for group winners this time around. So we likely would have been better to have been relegated from the B division to the C division in terms of getting a playoff place if that element of the qualification system has been changed in that way.
Is that not the same as before though? NL group winners were given first dibs, but if they'd qualified then the spots moved down the NL groups. So we didn't get in despite third place in the NL, while three of the four League C group winners got in (Turkey having qualified by rights)

[Eirambler]

just to note that 20 teams qualify automatically - 12 group runners and the 8 best runners up. so we need two of england, wales and scotland to finish as group winners or one of the best 8 runners up, should we fail to get the business done ourselves.

i am not clear what happens if the above criteria is met but we end up in a playoff and lose. i guess we still get in.

If the above criteria are met we wouldn't play in the playoffs. If England plus one more host qualifies directly, then the other two hosts are granted qualification and other teams contest the playoffs.

[Eirambler]

Is that not the same as before though? NL group winners were given first dibs, but if they'd qualified then the spots moved down the NL groups. So we didn't get in despite third place in the NL, while three of the four League C group winners got in (Turkey having qualified by rights)

Kind of, but there were three or four playoffs qualification places to be won and the playoffs were broken up by division. So if all the B group winners qualified automatically then all the B group second placed teams would get a playoff. My reading is that those places would now go to a Group C or D winner before they'd go to a Group B second placed team, as there won't be any League C playoff path as such this time around.

For us to be in a playoff that would mean that only England of the hosts have qualified automatically, and then Wales and Scotland have been given the two host spots because they've failed to qualify automatically but have done better than us in the groups.

In that case there would only be two playoff qualification places left to be won for everyone else, as Wales and Scotland would have already taken two of them, so it would likely only be group winners that would get a playoff place. So in that case we'd likely need to have won our Nations League B group to even get in to the playoffs.

[sbgawa]

Does this mean the pubs around Dublin will be chearing on ENGERLAND

[Eirambler]

Not really, as England qualifying is more or less a given (though if they don't we have real problems).

The question is more whether we want Wales and Scotland to do well or do poorly? That really depends.

In one sense we want them to do well because if one of them qualifies them they'll take us with them (and vice versa).

On the other hand, if none of them qualify automatically we want them to do badly as we would get one of the two host spots by performing better than them in the groups.

So it's probably the case that if they start badly we will want them to continue to do badly so that they're ranked worse than us. But if they start strongly, like Scotland did in the Euro 2024 qualifiers, we may just want them to continue strongly and go ahead and qualify automatically.

[pineapple stu]

Kind of, but there were three or four playoffs qualification places to be won and the playoffs were broken up by division. So if all the B group winners qualified automatically then all the B group second placed teams would get a playoff. My reading is that those places would now go to a Group C or D winner before they'd go to a Group B second placed team, as there won't be any League C playoff path as such this time around.

For us to be in a playoff that would mean that only England of the hosts have qualified automatically, and then Wales and Scotland have been given the two host spots because they've failed to qualify automatically but have done better than us in the groups.

In that case there would only be two playoff qualification places left to be won for everyone else, as Wales and Scotland would have already taken two of them, so it would likely only be group winners that would get a playoff place. So in that case we'd likely need to have won our Nations League B group to even get in to the playoffs.

Ah - yeah, if there's half the number of qualification spots from the play-off, then that would impact alright.

[Eirambler]

It also needs to be clarified what "best ranked" means in terms of deciding who gets the two host places if none of Ireland, Scotland or Wales qualify automatically.

If it's based on the Nations League that's bad news as Wales will be in the A division so we can't be ranked ahead of them. If it's based on FIFA rankings that's even worse as we're currently behind the other two by a distance. We will need to hope it's based on performance in the Euro 2028 qualification groups, which would seem the fairest way to decide it. But it hasn't been clarified in the press release.