UEFA Euro 2028

[EalingGreen]

You'd think that we actually lost the bid given how much negativity there is on here. We all know that we are massively lacking in football infrastructure at every level and every corner of the country. Hosting major tournament games wouldn't have been anywhere near my mandate for the FAI but now that we have it I'm delighted. Qualification is now massively weighted in our favour and I for one am happy to take any advantage that's going.OK, I can see that 2028 will improve ROI's chances of qualifying, while the prospect of ROI playing 2 or 3 group games at home in Dublin will help greatly as well.

But what then? Where is the legacy for the FAI, or football in the ROI generally? Fair enough, you might say that it's not costing them anything for the above benefits, except that it seems Leo V. has promised a contribution to the £100m+ cost of rebuilding Casement in Belfast. Why isn't that money going to the LOI imstead, say?

(OK, that last is a rhetorical question, we all know it's all to do with politics and nothing to do with football)

[Diggs246]

OK, I can see that 2028 will improve ROI's chances of qualifying, while the prospect of ROI playing 2 or 3 group games at home in Dublin will help greatly as well.

But what then? Where is the legacy for the FAI, or football in the ROI generally? Fair enough, you might say that it's not costing them anything for the above benefits, except that it seems Leo V. has promised a contribution to the £100m+ cost of rebuilding Casement in Belfast. Why isn't that money going to the LOI imstead, say?

(OK, that last is a rhetorical question, we all know it's all to do with politics and nothing to do with football)

Would you prefer that casement park isn't used in 2028?
My understanding is that if you didn't use casement park in the tender you couldn't be considered as hosts, due to the situation with all other stadia in northern Ireland?

[backstothewall]

Meanwhile, back in the real world, should Casement not turn out to be suitable, then there are several suitable stadia already existing in England, which could step in at a moment's notice.

Given the bid already includes 5 stadiums in England, and 1 each for the other associations, I'd say hell will freeze over before England gets a 6th.

If Casement wasn't ready and it wasn't possible to have a second venue on the island, Murrayfield seems like the venue to be added to be used as a replacement.

[elatedscum]

Given the bid already includes 5 stadiums in England, and 1 each for the other associations, I'd say hell will freeze over before England gets a 6th.

If Casement wasn't ready and it wasn't possible to have a second venue on the island, Murrayfield seems like the venue to be added to be used as a replacement.

Don't see a reason it shouldn't be Croke Park. London has 2 stadia involved. So why can't Dublin?

[pineapple stu]

Because London has hotel capacity and a reasonable public transport system?

[tetsujin1979]

Because uefa insist on all seater stadiums?

[EalingGreen]

Don't see a reason it shouldn't be Croke Park. London has 2 stadia involved. So why can't Dublin?Er, London, a city of 10 million people; thousands of hotels; the most extensive urban transport network system in Europe and 5 international airports also has Wembley stadium, to hold the final before 90k spectators.

While Spurs is just about the most modern football stadium in Europe, having cost £1bn and holding 62k. Both are football stadia btw.

Which conforms rather better to UEFA's requirements, here from Euro2024:
"Per Host City several Stadiums can be proposed if Bidders are able to demonstrate that the requirements for accommodation, mobility (especially public transport and airport capacities) and security for all UEFA target groups can still be met in case of multiple matches overlapping"

As such, London is by far the most feasible city to be permitted two venues, even over cities like Glasgow or Manchester, both of which have a rather greater footballing heritage than Dublin (no offence). The fact that Croke is not even a football stadium doesn't help much, either.

In fact London, with over a dozen professional football clubs, incl seven in the PL alone, plus Wembley and Twickenham, could damn nearly hold the whole tournament on its own! (OK, slight exaggeration, but still.)

[EalingGreen]

Would you prefer that casement park isn't used in 2028?
My understanding is that if you didn't use casement park in the tender you couldn't be considered as hosts, due to the situation with all other stadia in northern Ireland?Agreed: Casement, if built on time and in accordance with UEFA's strict specifications, is "the only show in town".

And that being so, if NI were to qualify, then I guess I'd accept it. If NI weren't to qualify (very possible, tbh), then I'm not sure I would want to see it used, for a whole variety of reasons. And no, these reasons aren't "Political" (large "P"), but rather a combination of football politics (small "p"), plus what would be an outrageous waste of public finances* to build a stadium to hold 3 or 4 football matches between eg Norway and Romania, when schools, hospitals and roads etc are crumbling.


* - The official figure is already £100m+, if it ever should get built, I confidently predict it will be £150m+. I'd happily a fraction of that figure, to build the IFA a National Training Centre and spruce up our local IL grounds and youth facilities etc, even if NI wasn't able to host Euro matches.

[Diggs246]

"plus what would be an outrageous waste of public finances* to build a stadium to hold 3 or 4 football matches between eg Norway and Romania"

But it would then be used the whole time by the GAA? they are entitled to government funds too!

What would be brilliant in my opinion but be to also have a 6 nation game in Casement park ( against France or Italy might be wise to start off!)

[tetsujin1979]

I think Aviva have specified that, as part of their sponsorship of the stadium, all rugby tests have to take place at Aviva stadium
Ireland teams that have played in Thomond Park are either "Ireland A" or "Ireland XV", or it's been classed as a friendly

[ifk101]

But it would then be used the whole time by the GAA? they are entitled to government funds too!

Yeah, that's my understanding. The Irish government funding commitment to the Casement redevelopment is "indirect", and through the funding it gives the GAA. Seems to be a significant shortfall in meeting the Casement costs regardless, that the redevelopment might not go ahead at all? If so, that opens the consideration door for Croke Park.

[Diggs246]

I think Aviva have specified that, as part of their sponsorship of the stadium, all rugby tests have to take place at Aviva stadium
Ireland teams that have played in Thomond Park are either "Ireland A" or "Ireland XV", or it's been classed as a friendly

Aviva Insurance would have to be compensated there's no question about that , I just think it would be brilliant as a one off. We have two jurisdictions on this island and the other one, has to my knowledge never been given an International game and that's just simply isn't fair

[tetsujin1979]

Ravenhill had a warm up game against Italy before the 2007 World Cup. IIRC we needed a last minute try to win, and it was debatable that the ball had actually crossed the line.
In many ways, it foreshadowed what happened at that tournament.
If we'd lost, it would have been our first loss to Italy in the six nations era.

[EalingGreen]

"plus what would be an outrageous waste of public finances* to build a stadium to hold 3 or 4 football matches between eg Norway and Romania"

But it would then be used the whole time by the GAA? they are entitled to government funds too!
OK. Here is as brief a synopsis of the background as I can reasonably give.

As part of the "peace dividend" etc, Westminster originally pledged £140m (or thereabouts) around 2005 to build a shared stadium, to be used by all three codes, on the site of the former Maze Prison. At the GAA's behest, this was to hold 48k i.e. somewhere half way between Clones and Croke. Anyhow, this was both for political reasons, but also because HMG owned the site, and couldn't think what else to do with it (still don't!). Anyhow, the whole scheme fell apart when the accountants in the Finance Dept. at Stormont pointed out that the project would never pay its way - it's a former RAF airfield stuck out in the middle of nowhere ffs, as such things are, and which explains why they later chose it to build a prison!

Anyhow, when that fell apart, they instead decided to reallocate the money to the 3 codes, each to build/rebuild a Regional Stadium, as follows. Rugby, v.much the little brother, got £14m to rebuild Ravenhill, from 14k to 18k capacity, which they were apparently happy with.

GAA were allocated £62m to rebuild Casement, to which they would add £15m of their own = £77m.

The IFA were also allocated £62m, from which they would use £26m to rebuild Windsor, and the remaining £36m for Sub-Regional Stadia, this latter sum only to be payable when the 3 Regional Stadia were completed. Which was all fine for both Rugby and Football, both of whom completed their projects on time* and within budget.

The GAA's plan, however, was a clusterfcuk from the start. First they proposed a grandiose 38k stadium which was never going to pass Planning Permission, for a variety of reasons. They were told this, but arogantly bulled on regardless, until the local residents' association, who had been ignored throughout, took them to Court with a Judicial Review, which they won. (Even Antrim GAA members weren't happy eg over the loss of their Social Club etc).

They eventually came back with a second plan for 34k, which imo should never have passed either, until the SDLP Sports Minister granted it anyway, during one of the rare periods when Stormont was actually opening and functioning, what with first SF, and then the DUP walking out etc. Net result was that for over a decade, Casement itself was completely derelict, and Antrim GAA played their games at Corrigan Park, which even after renovation in 2021, still only had a capacity of 3.5k, including 600 seated. (This alone indicates that there is hardly demand for 34k, never mind 38k or 48k, esp when Clones at 36k etc is still for available for Ulster County games, closer to the centre of the 9 counties, and not subject to 20% VAT on ticket sales etc).

Not only that, but during nearly 15 years of entirely avoidable delay inflation, which has hit the Construction extra hard, has seen the GAA's own cost estimate from earlier this year rise to between “£112m and £140m – not including VAT.” Yet not only are they demanding the government bail them out for the extra £35-£63m, they are refusing to stump up any extra themselves, despite the delay/increase being essentially no-ones fault but their own!

And now, the government has said they will meet this cost in order to host 3 or 4 Euro games in 2028, which might not even feature NI, while no-one really believes the build cost will be kept to £140m. Worse, many consider that even if/when it is built, being a GAA stadium it still may not conform to UEFA's exacting standards for tournament stadia, and/or even if it does, it might not be completed on time for their June 2026 deadline.

Let me make clear that I have no problem whatever with the GAA getting their original £62m, and I could possibly accept a few million more to host the Euro's etc, but considering how local football clubs could do with this huge wedge of extra money - local GAA clubs too, for that matter - trhis is simply unjustifiable imo. And all that's before you look at the state of NI's schools, hospitals and roads etc, worse still the proposal to introduce water charges in NI, at the same time as much of Lough Neagh, which supplies half of Belfast's drinking water, is quite literally toxic at the moment with algae and pollution.

* - IFA was delayed a bit because of a Council screw-up, but was covered by insurance.


What would be brilliant in my opinion but be to also have a 6 nation game in Casement park ( against France or Italy might be wise to start off!)No offence, but I'd say Michelle O'Neill and Jeffrey Donaldson will be celebrating the birth of their 3rd or 4th love child before that happens!

[DCWA]

, esp when Clones at 36k etc is still for available for Ulster County games, closer to the centre of the 9 counties, and not subject to 20% VAT on ticket sales etc).

!

Not that it takes away from your point but just in the interest of discussion Clones is down to 26k, I’ve been to the last two Ulster finals now and I would dread the thought of 36k being in the place. It’s also prettty dilapidated now (Casement pre closure basically).

[backstothewall]

Pretty good synopsis above from Ealing Green.

Andytown is the most unsuitable place imaginable for a major stadium. There are at least half a dozen better sites around the city. The land should have been sold off for much needed housing. They could have had a stack of apartments facing The Felons Club and then a mixture of townhouses and semi's in behind. They might have got 100 homes onto that site.

The latest design is simultaneously both too big for Antrim, but not big enough to be a new provincial HQ for Ulster. But that design includes a terrace behind the goal at the Bog Meadow end of the ground so it will presumably have to be changed to allow it to be used for games in a European Championship.

This will be a disaster.

[seanfhear]

Croke Park = = Here we come again !

[Exgrad]

Ravenhill had a warm up game against Italy before the 2007 World Cup. IIRC we needed a last minute try to win, and it was debatable that the ball had actually crossed the line.
In many ways, it foreshadowed what happened at that tournament.
If we'd lost, it would have been our first loss to Italy in the six nations era.

Yea wasn't there some controversy as God Save The Queen should have been played as the pre game anthem, but they (IRFU) managed to worm their way out of it.

[Insidetherock]

Good article today in the Athletic, suggesting the Euros should go from 24 to 32 teams

It would be just 12 extra games overall, wouldn't appreciably dilute the quality any more than going from 16 to 24 did

And we'd surely qualify ?

https://theathletic.com/4949328/2023/10/13/expand-euros-32-teams?source=user-shared-article

[EalingGreen]

Yea wasn't there some controversy as God Save The Queen should have been played as the pre game anthem, but they (IRFU) managed to worm their way out of it.Formerly, when games were rotated between Ravenhill and Lansdowne, the protocol was always that the "home" anthem would be played i.e. GSTK in Belfast, the SS in Dublin.

I think there may have been some sort of fuss at a game in Belfast when some Munster players refused to come out of the dressing room until GSTK was over(?), but it ceased to be relevant when they stopped playing in Belfast anyhow.

While Ulster/NI players and fans accepted that the SS would continue to be played at LR (twice, when you add in the Presidential salute!), even after Ireland's Call was introduced, this latter being the only anthem used when Ireland plays away matches.

Which was all fine and dandy while Ireland only played home matches in Dublin. But when (I think) the redevelopment of Lansdowne necessitated that in 2007 Ireland play in Belfast for the first time since 1953, in a pre-RWC warm-up against Italy, the protocol should have required GSTQ to be played.

Now I don't think anyone in Ulster rugby, player, fan or administrator ever expected that that would or should have happened. But instead of seizing the opportunity to take the politics out of the game entirely, by scrapping the SS and simply using IC for all games, home and away, the IRFU bottled it, and blithely announced that IC only would be used in Belfast.

And when asked why this would be so, an unnamed spokesperson literally replied: "We always only play IC when our games are played outside Ireland" [my emphasis].

That was the first inkling for many rugby fans in NI that the Ireland team was no longer an apolitical all-island team where Ulster was always as influential and involved as either Leinster and Munster (sorry, Connacht). Instead it was becoming just "The Republic's team, with the odd Nordie as support act".

And when you look at how, in the age of professionalism, central IRFU funding and resourcing subsequently seems to have concentrated on Leinster, to the detriment of Ulster (and even Munster), it explains why some, at least, in NI who always fully subscribed to the Ireland team, are no longer quite so invested.

Very sad.

[backstothewall]

Formerly, when games were rotated between Ravenhill and Lansdowne, the protocol was always that the "home" anthem would be played i.e. GSTK in Belfast, the SS in Dublin.

I think there may have been some sort of fuss at a game in Belfast when some Munster players refused to come out of the dressing room until GSTK was over(?), but it ceased to be relevant when they stopped playing in Belfast anyhow.

While Ulster/NI players and fans accepted that the SS would continue to be played at LR (twice, when you add in the Presidential salute!), even after Ireland's Call was introduced, this latter being the only anthem used when Ireland plays away matches.

Which was all fine and dandy while Ireland only played home matches in Dublin. But when (I think) the redevelopment of Lansdowne necessitated that in 2007 Ireland play in Belfast for the first time since 1953, in a pre-RWC warm-up against Italy, the protocol should have required GSTQ to be played.

Now I don't think anyone in Ulster rugby, player, fan or administrator ever expected that that would or should have happened. But instead of seizing the opportunity to take the politics out of the game entirely, by scrapping the SS and simply using IC for all games, home and away, the IRFU bottled it, and blithely announced that IC only would be used in Belfast.

And when asked why this would be so, an unnamed spokesperson literally replied: "We always only play IC when our games are played outside Ireland" [my emphasis].

That was the first inkling for many rugby fans in NI that the Ireland team was no longer an apolitical all-island team where Ulster was always as influential and involved as either Leinster and Munster (sorry, Connacht). Instead it was becoming just "The Republic's team, with the odd Nordie as support act".

And when you look at how, in the age of professionalism, central IRFU funding and resourcing subsequently seems to have concentrated on Leinster, to the detriment of Ulster (and even Munster), it explains why some, at least, in NI who always fully subscribed to the Ireland team, are no longer quite so invested.

Very sad.

It was handled awfully.

They simply had to say that they would be happy to play a NI anthem before future games held north of the border if/when there is one.

[Fixer82]

Irelands call is a joke.

It’s true GSTK is to be played officially in Belfast but sense has prevailed.

There are so many songs we could sing that we already have.

Danny Boy/Londonderry Air for example

[seanfhear]

Zombie / Fields of Athenry / Other, Medley perhaps !

[EalingGreen]

Irelands call is a joke.

It’s true GSTK is to be played officially in Belfast but sense has prevailed.

There are so many songs we could sing that we already have.

Danny Boy/Londonderry Air for exampleIt makes complete sense that GSTK not be played in Belfast (or anywhere else in Ireland, Obviously).

For it is the National (i.e. political) Anthem for only one part of the island.

Meaning that by exactly the same reasoning, the SS should not be played in Dublin.

Which demands a single, non-political Anthem for the Ireland rugby team, whether playing home or away.

[EalingGreen]

It was handled awfully.
Agree.



They simply had to say that they would be happy to play a NI anthem before future games held north of the border if/when there is one.Why have a NI anthem i.e. distinguish between where they are playing? That would only make sense if they played eg Molly Malone when playing in Dublin, or Galway Bay when playing in, er, Galway.

The fact is, it is one team, so should have one anthem, to whiich all may adhere.

Meaning that that anthem cannot be identified with either of the two political entities on the island, to the exclusion of the other.

[backstothewall]

Agree.

Why have a NI anthem i.e. distinguish between where they are playing?

We don't. We don't have a flag either.

If the clown show on the hill agreed it was going to be Danny Boy or something and it was officially recognised it would be entirely right to play that and Ireland's Call if Ireland had a home game in Belfast.

But it's not the IRFUs fault that they couldn't agree on the colour of ****e.

[EalingGreen]

We don't. We don't have a flag either. No, but what's that got to do with the IRFU? Which already has its own (non-political) flag:

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51uQTC4EhrL._AC_SL1000_.jpg

Meaning that if the IRFU can adopt a flag which is apolitical and acceptable to all, why cannot they do the same for the anthem?


If the clown show on the hill agreed it was going to be Danny Boy or something and it was officially recognised it would be entirely right to play that and Ireland's Call if Ireland had a home game in Belfast.This doesn't make sense. It shouldn't matter whether some sort of "agreed" anthem from Stormont is acceptable or not. I mean, what if a subsequent Assembly then decided to switch to something else?

Fact is, Stormont, or Leinster House for that matter, should not determine how the IRFU orders its affairs for a single, all-Ireland team, playing in a politically divided island. And if you are going to choose to play the National Anthem of one part when playing in one jurisdiction, then you should be consistent by playing the other National Anthem when playing in the other.

Which is decidedly NOT what anyone is advocating, for any number of reasons.

In the end, it is one team, which should have one anthem. And that anthem should be equally acceptable to all adherents.


But it's not the IRFUs fault that they couldn't agree on the colour of ****e.No-one is saying that any of that is the IRFU's fault.

Rather we are talking about that which is the responsibility of the IRFU itself.

On which point, even though rugby fans from NI, the great majority of whom will be British/Unionist, don't complain, neither does that justify the IRFU taking advantage of that forebearance.

Or to put it the other way, why do you think the SS should be played at the AVIVA? (Ealing Green reaches into the larder for some more popcorn)

[Olé Olé]

The Wales team that beat Croatia last night:

[Olé Olé]

The Wales team that beat Croatia last night: Ward, Roberts, Rodon, Mepham, Davies, James, Wilson, Ampadu, Williams, Brooks, Moore

Can we field a better side than that?

We are not anywhere near maximizing our resources

[pineapple stu]

Albania - a country dying on its feet with a domestic league on a par with ours - are on the cusp of winning their group ahead of Poland and the Czechs. Neither a Holland/France, granted, but we couldn't even get a point off Greece

Luxembourg are unbeaten in their group except against Portugal

There's a couple of other examples too - Moldova for one

We're definitely not maximising things

[CSAD]

What irritates me more than anything is looking at how bad Romania,Slovakia and even Albania were in their NL campaign, yes even worse than us, and then you see how easy a qualifying group they get placed in for the euros and yet we never…NEVER get that same kind of fortune. Let’s not forget if it wasn’t for the fact we were co hosts in 2020 we would have got a group with Germany and Netherlands then so we would have looked at getting 2 groups in a row with 2 big footballing nations as seeds 1 and 2.

[seanfhear]

Maybe ~ We need a Lucky General as Napoleon would like.

[EalingGreen]

Let’s not forget if it wasn’t for the fact we were co hosts in 2020 we would have got a group with Germany and Netherlands then so we would have looked at getting 2 groups in a row with 2 big footballing nations as seeds 1 and 2.So you were in Pot 3, due to poor enough results leading up to the draw; you consequently get drawn in a Group with Netherlands and Germany (plus Estonia as 5th seeds); but then you get redrawn into a new group with Denmark and Switzerland (plus Gibraltar), on the basis that you were due to host a few Finals games which never even happened in the end. And you seem to consider that that was unlucky?

How d'ya think the team who got redrawn into your original group felt?

[CSAD]

So you were in Pot 3, due to poor enough results leading up to the draw; you consequently get drawn in a Group with Netherlands and Germany (plus Estonia as 5th seeds); but then you get redrawn into a new group with Denmark and Switzerland (plus Gibraltar), on the basis that you were due to host a few Finals games which never even happened in the end. And you seem to consider that that was unlucky?

How d'ya think the team who got redrawn into your original group felt?

It wasn’t luck though, the draw had us in the German group and the only reason we got out of it was down to the fact we were co hosts, literally no other reason.

The point I’m making is you see teams like Slovakia and Romania who were even worse than us when it comes to form get nice cushy groups and we literally never ever get that same level for fortune. If we miraculously qualified for the Euros in 2024 we’d probably have a group easier than our bloody qualifying group which seems mad.

[backstothewall]

No, but what's that got to do with the IRFU? Which already has its own (non-political) flag:

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51uQTC4EhrL._AC_SL1000_.jpg

Meaning that if the IRFU can adopt a flag which is apolitical and acceptable to all, why cannot they do the same for the anthem?

This doesn't make sense. It shouldn't matter whether some sort of "agreed" anthem from Stormont is acceptable or not. I mean, what if a subsequent Assembly then decided to switch to something else?

Fact is, Stormont, or Leinster House for that matter, should not determine how the IRFU orders its affairs for a single, all-Ireland team, playing in a politically divided island. And if you are going to choose to play the National Anthem of one part when playing in one jurisdiction, then you should be consistent by playing the other National Anthem when playing in the other.

Which is decidedly NOT what anyone is advocating, for any number of reasons.

In the end, it is one team, which should have one anthem. And that anthem should be equally acceptable to all adherents.

No-one is saying that any of that is the IRFU's fault.

Rather we are talking about that which is the responsibility of the IRFU itself.

On which point, even though rugby fans from NI, the great majority of whom will be British/Unionist, don't complain, neither does that justify the IRFU taking advantage of that forebearance.

Or to put it the other way, why do you think the SS should be played at the AVIVA? (Ealing Green reaches into the larder for some more popcorn)

We're way off topic here so this won't be a point by point rebuttal, and it will be my last post on the subject.

Not only could the IRFU adopt an anthem that is apolitical and acceptable to all, they already did so. It's called "Ireland's Call". To be fair it might not be acceptable to the vast majority of people with functioning ears, but it's apolitical.

What they choose not to do is start adopting individual anthems for 2 political units that don't exist as far as rugby is concerned, or using the anthem which in the context of international rugby is used to represent another country (who just happen to be Ireland's biggest rival). So when they play in the political jurisdiction of the Irish Republic they play it's anthem. When they play north of the border I assume they would be happy to play the anthem of that jurisdiction were one to be agreed, but for now it simply doesn't have one.

They are clearly doing what they can to include as many people as possible, while ****ing off as few as possible. Stopping playing Amhrán na bhFiann in Dublin would **** a lot of people off. Playing GSTK in Belfast would **** almost everyone off, and likely be booed to death by local supporters from every background. Picking some other song to represent the north would please very few and place the organisation in the firing line politically. There is no agreement on an anthem to represent NI, and it's not the job of a sporting federation to decide which one ought to be used.

Very few rugby fans are unhappy with the status quo, and there is no option available to the IRFU that will **** off less people than what they already do. What you are pushing is a solution in search of a problem. I know plenty of rugby fans. I've been to both Ulster and Ireland matches with them. None of them are offended, annoyed or even care about this. Is a complete none issue.

Apologies to the mods for the off topic post. It will be my last on the subject.

[Larry 'da' Wyse]

Big 'No Casement' flag at the Slovakia game last night in Windsor. Clearly embracing plans for 2028. Sacred hour!

[Fixer82]

We're way off topic here so this won't be a point by point rebuttal, and it will be my last post on the subject.

Not only could the IRFU adopt an anthem that is apolitical and acceptable to all, they already did so. It's called "Ireland's Call". To be fair it might not be acceptable to the vast majority of people with functioning ears, but it's apolitical.

What they choose not to do is start adopting individual anthems for 2 political units that don't exist as far as rugby is concerned, or using the anthem which in the context of international rugby is used to represent another country (who just happen to be Ireland's biggest rival). So when they play in the political jurisdiction of the Irish Republic they play it's anthem. When they play north of the border I assume they would be happy to play the anthem of that jurisdiction were one to be agreed, but for now it simply doesn't have one.

They are clearly doing what they can to include as many people as possible, while ****ing off as few as possible. Stopping playing Amhrán na bhFiann in Dublin would **** a lot of people off. Playing GSTK in Belfast would **** almost everyone off, and likely be booed to death by local supporters from every background. Picking some other song to represent the north would please very few and place the organisation in the firing line politically. There is no agreement on an anthem to represent NI, and it's not the job of a sporting federation to decide which one ought to be used.

Very few rugby fans are unhappy with the status quo, and there is no option available to the IRFU that will **** off less people than what they already do. What you are pushing is a solution in search of a problem. I know plenty of rugby fans. I've been to both Ulster and Ireland matches with them. None of them are offended, annoyed or even care about this. Is a complete none issue.

Apologies to the mods for the off topic post. It will be my last on the subject.

Yep. Well said.

It’s the unmusicality and beigeness of Ireland’s Call that irks me but so far it’s probably the least offensive option.

[NeverFeltBetter]

RTE have a good article up that goes into the various issues, financial or otherwise, at play for Casement: https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2023/1130/1419354-casement-park-row/

There's enough rancour and potential rancour there, alongside the inevitability of spiralling costs and who covers them, that the obstacles may be insurmountable.

[tetsujin1979]

Second Captains had the vice chairperson of Crusaders FC on last week talking about it, well worth a listen as well

[Eirambler]

More fluff from Sunak today about Casement. He really is an awful politician, but that's a topic for somewhere else.

Doesn't sound like there's any real likelihood of the place getting rebuilt for Euro 2028, the Irish Government and the FAI should now be making it clear that we have another stadium as good as ready to go and are happy to host the five additional games to help out our less developed neighbours up in Belfast.

[JR89]

They'll move the Belfast games to England or Scotland more likely. What the FAI should be making clear is NI shouldn't be guaranteed one of the automatic spots if they're unable to host games. Should only get one if there's a spare one going.

[Eirambler]

Well that too, but it's supposed to be a British and Irish tournament. There are currently 11 matches (out of 51) scheduled to be played in Ireland so you can justify it as a tournament that is being genuinely hosted across the two islands. Any reduction of that shouldn't be accepted by the government, if Belfast can't host the games they need to be moved to Dublin and not to Britain.

[nigel-harps1954]

They're not going to allow two stadia in Dublin used though.

[JR89]

Well that too, but it's supposed to be a British and Irish tournament. There are currently 11 matches (out of 51) scheduled to be played in Ireland so you can justify it as a tournament that is being genuinely hosted across the two islands. Any reduction of that shouldn't be accepted by the government, if Belfast can't host the games they need to be moved to Dublin and not to Britain.

Technically it's a UK and Ireland bid. So they'll be moving it from one part of the UK to another. Think any of the GAA will be ****e for matches and as Nigel said their not gonna use two stadiums in Dublin.

Don't know if it's possible for them to use one stadium for two groups or not but then it's the logistics of having fans of 8 teams in one city. Unless they fancy giving match going fans free travel like the other night. Might allow them stay in other parts of Ireland and travel in but it's gonna be less hassle to use Edinburgh or some other English city that wasn't picked.

[Eirambler]

They wouldn't have had Croker on the initial shortlist if two stadiums in Dublin was out of the question. Most people attending from outside Ireland will just fly in and out anyway with a one or maybe two night stay. A good chunk of attendees will be Irish residents who will day trip. Would just be a question of sensible scheduling. The government absolutely needs to be putting it's hand up for these games now that it's obvious Casement isn't happening.

[EalingGreen]

Well that too, but it's supposed to be a British and Irish tournament. There are currently 11 matches (out of 51) scheduled to be played in Ireland so you can justify it as a tournament that is being genuinely hosted across the two islands. Any reduction of that shouldn't be accepted by the government, if Belfast can't host the games they need to be moved to Dublin and not to Britain.


Technically it's a UK and Ireland bid. So they'll be moving it from one part of the UK to another. Think any of the GAA will be ****e for matches and as Nigel said their not gonna use two stadiums in Dublin.

Re. 'Eirambler', sorry but technically it is not a "British and Irish tournament", it is a five Association tournament. And if one Association is unable to host a Group, then one of the other four will be selected to do so.

On which point, in reality, this is an English (FA) bid, since not only are they providing the bulk of the hosting as it is, but they could host the whole thing tomorrow on their own. (None of the other four could do so individually, nor even collectively, without The FA.)

Furthermore, the only reason The FA roped in the other four was due to the politics (small "p") of UEFA, where England are disliked/feared somewhat by the rest, and so needed the four extra Association votes, plus their lobbying etc. (Also helped by the fact that all future tournaments will have to be shared, unless they franchise it out to Saudi Arabia!)


Don't know if it's possible for them to use one stadium for two groups or not but then it's the logistics of having fans of 8 teams in one city. Unless they fancy giving match going fans free travel like the other night.Impossible technically (UEFA Rules) and practically, complete non-starter.

As for the suggestion of bringing in Croke Park, to allow Dublin to host two groups, that too is contrary to UEFA rules, procedure and precedent. And never mind that Glasgow, with 3 x 50k football stadia of their own and a considerably greater footballing heritage than Dublin would be up in arms, there's also London to consider.

For that city isn't being permitted to host two Groups, just the one at Tottenham, with Wembley only being used for knockout games up to the Final. And that for a city with twice the population of ROI alone; 3 x PL stadia of 60k capacity, plus 90k Wenbley and 80k Twickenham*; five international airports and a direct rail link to continental Europe; many more European expatriates living in the city; plus x10(?) the number of hotel rooms in Dublin.

Meanwhile, England still has a number of other large cities with perfectly adequate, bespoke football stadia which aren't being used, reflecting that no other country in the world has nearly so broad and deep a footballing culture and heritage as England - even if the NT itself is usually pretty crap! Assuming Casement doesn't make the cut (increasingly likely I'd say), the IFA Group
will be relocated to somewhere in England, which is exactly as it should be (imo).

* - I mention Twickenham, since UEFA allocates the Euro's to hosts, and hosting cities, in order to provide a legacy to the game in the selected countries - new/updated stadia, government investment, infrastructure etc. Naturally this means favouring football stadia wherever possible, rather than those of other sports like Rugby or GAA.

[NeverFeltBetter]

GAA President isn't hopeful Casement will be ready: https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0612/1454348-gaa-president-admits-casement-unlikely-for-euro-2028/

Interesting framing in that article:
The Aviva Stadium would be the only Irish stadium as part of Euro 2028, unless Croke Park replaces it.

That venue, as well as the Stadium of Light in Sunderland, West Ham's London Stadium and Old Trafford in Manchester were part of the initial proposals that didn't make the final cut.


That decision may now be revisited.

It doesn't say on what basis it "may" be revisited. Probably just the author's opinion.

[Diggs246]

GAA President isn't hopeful Casement will be ready: https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0612/1454348-gaa-president-admits-casement-unlikely-for-euro-2028/

Interesting framing in that article:

It doesn't say on what basis it "may" be revisited. Probably just the author's opinion.

Ita difficult to believe there is no other suitable stadium in the north.

If we get allocated other one. I think it should be outside of Dublin if possible. Cork would be ideal if the use of the GAA stadium is a runner

[Eirambler]

Time to redirect that Irish Government €50m towards tidying up Croker as an alternative venue for the games. Justify it as part of the "shared Ireland fund" by saying we're doing our bit to spare the north's blushes by keeping the games on the island to mitigate their inability to build a decent capacity stadium.

[pineapple stu]

If we get allocated other one. I think it should be outside of Dublin if possible. Cork would be ideal if the use of the GAA stadium is a runner
Can we nominate a stadium/city that wasn't in the original bid?

(I don't see us getting a second ground out of it though)