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mcgonigle
11/09/2021, 9:09 PM
The second red for Longford was ridiculous as was the Han one, definitely trying to even things up. Boyle was covering Cleary at the end so a yellow was correct.
By the end of the game I wasn't even angry anymore, it's comical at this stage. Glad we didn't equalise, would have been harsh on Longford who deserved it
Dundalk are in real trouble now to avoid / win the play off to stay up. VP has to be under real pressure after tonight, its obvious his return has not worked out as planned.
Filipo's league form was awful and we scoffed at 'only' finishing 3rd, (and winning the cup) but what a mess we are in now, and all blame cannot be at p6 (a lot is), but players have to stand up and fight, but they aren't............
Finlay Harp
11/09/2021, 10:01 PM
Friday night in the cup is becoming Dundalks season definining game. Ollie will be delighted the spotlight is on Dundalk and not Harps. I’m looking forward to it.
Yossarian
12/09/2021, 12:16 AM
Friday night in the cup is becoming Dundalks season definining game. Ollie will be delighted the spotlight is on Dundalk and not Harps. I’m looking forward to it.
Nothing to worry about for Harps. Dundalk are a team with no leadership, no game plan, no fight and a terrible manager. And that’s just the on pitch shambles. Off the pitch it’s an even bigger joke.
There was a decent crowd down in Longford and the quality of the game was what you’d expect from the two bottom teams. The referee was as poor as was expected. I couldn’t believe he sent the second Longford player off and I don’t know why Han was sent off. We could still be there now and still wouldn’t score.
I have no hope of us getting out of this malaise as the players don’t seem to care that much. It’s hard to see where we’ll get a win and if we do end up in the playoff I don’t think we’ll win.
That’s all my pessimism that the journey home from Longford hasn’t changed.
Longfordian
12/09/2021, 12:19 AM
Dundalk are the only team in the division that haven't beaten us this year. I've said this before but the heart and the fight that the players show in every game is a credit to them and the management. We're obviously lacking quality but the commitment has been unquestionable.
brendy_éire
12/09/2021, 12:40 PM
Pretty brutal assessment of the situation at Oriel from Perth here.
RTE news : Dundalk in 'dark place' as Perth bemoans injury woes
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2021/0912/1246121-dundalk-in-dark-place-as-perth-bemoans-injury-woes/
placid casual
12/09/2021, 1:07 PM
If dundalk had little or no money, and had a similar injury problem I'd say many in LOI would have sympathy for their "plight".
They have managed to squander the best part of 7/8/9(?) million quid in the last few years, and now have diddly squat to show for it.
The most expensive squad assembled in LOI history, and yet they've had no-one of any commanding substance in the dugout - you marry that to a bunch of mercenaries turning up to play for the club and disaster is just not far away.
The big red flag should have been Shields abandoning ship during the summer.
Perhaps a spell back in the 1st division would be good for dundalk and its people, to contemplate what they really want out of their football club.
D24Saint
12/09/2021, 1:25 PM
Perhaps a spell back in the 1st division would be good for dundalk and its people, to contemplate what they really want out of their football club.
I don't think a stint in the first division would provide any solution for Dundalk. What does any fan want out of their club , to win trophies & get success in Europe. The fans of Dundalk have had unreal success in recent seasons the stuff of LOI fans dreams. I know its great to have nice facilities and youth structures but they tend to be window dressing if the senior team isn't successful. I don't know what happened at Dundalk but looks like their golden run has ended. Making success sustainable has been an ongoing issues for LOI club and we have seen this cycle before i.e. Shelbourne.
sadloserkid
12/09/2021, 4:11 PM
I don't think a stint in the first division would provide any solution for Dundalk.
Having watched considerably more First Division football than Premier in my time following the league I feel supremely confident in saying that a spell in the second tier isn't really a solution to anything for any club. It's a grim, thankless slog there for the most part, a place of purgatory where football dreams go to stagger around in mostly empty stadiums looking for an adequate place to die.
I wouldn't ever give up on it either though. 🙂
Nesta99
12/09/2021, 4:29 PM
Dont let that last line by PC fool anyone as it is simply his hope and the desire to gloat if it comes to pass. There isnt a Dundalk fan under any illusions of how this circumstance has come to pass, and know quite well what is needed beyond this season and what is wanted from the football club - its no secret or rocket science and not unreasonable to expect. How that will be moved toward exactly will be based on how and where we finish this season. There would be nothing good about a year out in the 1st division bar delayng progress in areas of the club and allowing some opposition fans the be gluttons on gloating. We wont have had to scramble to save the club by using an examinership process. putting others out of business to save the club club or have leases on land confiscated etc. It will simply be a season of sucking it up and a lesson to bill to never fall for agents' spin or to cut loose people that might actually have some expertise in the areas he admitted he had none.
I can't see where the fight is coming from to win even one game at the minute with DFC, for me its trying to avoid or worse case to win the play off now.
Maybe its VP, it can't all be p6 to blame for the players b/s performances, which are now consistently poor, whatever the reasons, as long as we stay up, so many of them need to leave.
Martinho II
12/09/2021, 5:55 PM
From my point of view.last night Tomney let the game get out of control. The first half was the complete opposite. In fairness with us we have made a game of it in a lot of our games and I do think its way too early to have got promoted but if we keep the majority of that squad too it could be character building and hugely beneficial. Serious crowd from Dundalk as for our fans no comment..
If I was a Dundalk fan what I saw on the pitch and from speaking to one of their fans its sad to see their decline!
CorribsideSteve
12/09/2021, 9:39 PM
I thought Perth was a generally poor Manager in the manner that Dundalk utterly capitulated to Celje a few years back. Several of their games recently have been reminiscent of that evening. Obviously big issues also with Bill and Peak6. Bill reminds me of that fuzzy eybrowed guntoting, stetson wearing fella from Bugs Bunny/Looney Tunes cartoons, and it's looney times for Dundalk. Hope they can find a win from somewhere soon.
brendy_éire
12/09/2021, 9:42 PM
What does any fan want out of their club , to win trophies & get success in Europe.
Yes and no.
Fans want the success, but most are aware that it can be short-lived.
To take Derry as an example, it's all well and good getting money from a billionaire pumped in every year, but we'd all like to see something a bit more sustainable put in place as well. A great academy, along with the facilities, for example.
Dundalk have nothing concrete to show for their efforts of the past few years. Great memories, yes, but not a decent ground, not a centre of excellence, etc.
It's not unique to Dundalk either, lots of clubs are guilty of this.
sbgawa
12/09/2021, 9:48 PM
Be an interesting question to ask any loi fan. If you were guaranteed 5 leagues in 7 years and 2 group stage appearances would you take that and a relegation play off in the 8th session??. For Dundalk fans living through this seasons **** show its pull your hair out stuff but in 20 years people will look back and think wow great era
pineapple stu
12/09/2021, 9:50 PM
Shels fans are the poster boys for that question I guess.
Especially those Shels fans who are too young to remember the Depor/Lille games and are instead stuck in the First Division for most of the last 15 years because they ****ed away all their money and didn't build any solid club structures.
Yes and no.
Fans want the success, but most are aware that it can be short-lived.
To take Derry as an example, it's all well and good getting money from a billionaire pumped in every year, but we'd all like to see something a bit more sustainable put in place as well. A great academy, along with the facilities, for example.
Dundalk have nothing concrete to show for their efforts of the past few years. Great memories, yes, but not a decent ground, not a centre of excellence, etc.
It's not unique to Dundalk either, lots of clubs are guilty of this.
No chance. A very limited number of fans actually care much about sustainability or acadamies they want decent football and success.
At the end of the day the LOI lends itself to boom and bust practices, worst case (see Derry 2010) you start again in first div. A single rung in the ladder below where you left off
I would absolutely take another year in the 1st div with a reformed club (sure what’s another version between friends) if it had been preceeded by titles, cup finals and big European games. That is what football is all about as a fan.
Be an interesting question to ask any loi fan. If you were guaranteed 5 leagues in 7 years and 2 group stage appearances would you take that and a relegation play off in the 8th session??. For Dundalk fans living through this seasons **** show its pull your hair out stuff but in 20 years people will look back and think wow great era
100% you would take it only an idiot would not. Until their dying day no Dundalk fan will forget those years of success with the best LOI team I have seen. A poor season with a relegation play off is easy forgotten.
joey B
12/09/2021, 10:13 PM
Be an interesting question to ask any loi fan. If you were guaranteed 5 leagues in 7 years and 2 group stage appearances would you take that and a relegation play off in the 8th session??. For Dundalk fans living through this seasons **** show its pull your hair out stuff but in 20 years people will look back and think wow great era
Is there anyone who wouldn’t take that scenario!?!
Nesta99
12/09/2021, 10:52 PM
It doesnt have to be either or for a number of clubs and especially after a breakthrough is made. Yes Dundalk's current situation resembles how things have happened in the past. We got access to the sort of prize that Shels were chasing for example. The difference between this mess at Dundalk and a lot of other boom and bust is that our current mess hasnt been caused by a forced or desperation over stretch. Money was earned to set in motion and create sustainable model, allow improvement, while keeping competitive domestically, gaining from European participation. This implosion is different in its madcap mismanagement of the club, possibly spurning a very long term legacy. With a modicum of sense Peak6 were on the verge of achieving their original goals especially with the ECLs introduction. They botched things for the group of investors they headed up, and for fans of course. An all conquering side falters when a chairman interferes in football matters and the downward spiral has continued since and to halt the slide will take some luck and get to next season. Start to rebuild a squad over a few seasons, get back to qualifying for Europe before seeding is completely gone, and it doesnt have to be a decade before pushing for league titles again.
Fans of some other football clubs are breathing sighs of relief at what has happened internally at Dundalk and should be as it would have gotten harder and harder to keep pace - a position only Dundalk FC itself could really have seriously damaged and have done just that! Success will always be there to look back on but it may always be tinged by what could have been!!
Finlay Harp
12/09/2021, 11:03 PM
Stop this nonsense talk about Dundalk getting relegated. It ain’t happening. They’ll have a ****e league campaign to show at the end of the season but I just can’t see them being anywhere else other than the PD next season
sbgawa
12/09/2021, 11:14 PM
I agree , I could see them finishing 9th with the form harps and waterford are on but by the time the playoff would come around the injury crises will be over and they would be far to strong for any first division team over 2 legs.
I asked my question narrowly as i think most fans would take it but the key is to consolidate, a bad season is just that but structural problems are different.
When we won our 4 in a row in the 80's i thought we were indestructible but the Kilcoynes sold Miltown and in the next 25 years we won 1 league. But someone looking at the record books would say it was a great time.
Shels imploded and never really recovered to date and are about to lose Tolka.
All Dundalk have to do is imo leave Vinny there give him a budget of 50% or less of his current budget (same as Rovers according to Bill) and sign decent LOI pros and they will be competitive next year.
It doesn't have to end in tears
sbgawa
13/09/2021, 8:01 AM
Huge 6 pointer tonight in Finn Park tonight.
Chance for Harps to go 2 clear of Bohs who admittedly would have 3 games in hand but its better than being 4 points behind with 3 games more played.
With Han suspended for Dundalks match away to sligo as well as their injury count that match has the look of an opportunity for Sligo to go 7 points clear of Derry and look like genuine top 3 candidates again following that awful run.
Two big matches with lots at stake.
D24Saint
13/09/2021, 8:04 AM
Forgot there was midweek games on , happy days something look at tonight & tomorrow.
redobit
13/09/2021, 8:21 AM
No chance. A very limited number of fans actually care much about sustainability or acadamies they want decent football and success.
At the end of the day the LOI lends itself to boom and bust practices, worst case (see Derry 2010) you start again in first div. A single rung in the ladder below where you left off
I would absolutely take another year in the 1st div with a reformed club (sure what’s another version between friends) if it had been preceeded by titles, cup finals and big European games. That is what football is all about as a fan.
Wow. That's a hypothetical I know but that would never fly in The Showgrounds. Winning some trophies is one thing but to reform your club would be seen by our supporters and the committee as the ultimate loss of all. Sligo Rovers committee, fans, supporter groups, trust, really see themselves as custodians of the club and it would be nothing but a slap in the face to everybody who has helped run the club in the past to just close up the club and start again.
placid casual
13/09/2021, 8:38 AM
The level of short-sightedness on the forum, on this subject, is perhaps a glaring reason why the League of Ireland has never really thrived in the modern day.
D24Saint
13/09/2021, 8:59 AM
Wow. That's a hypothetical I know but that would never fly in The Showgrounds. Winning some trophies is one thing but to reform your club would be seen by our supporters and the committee as the ultimate loss of all. Sligo Rovers committee, fans, supporter groups, trust, really see themselves as custodians of the club and it would be nothing but a slap in the face to everybody who has helped run the club in the past to just close up the club and start again.
That has been the thinking in Inchicore through the years. There are many people both passed on and still alive that did amazing things to keep the club afloat. The thoughts of re mortgaging your home for your football club is unthinkable nowadays but fans did it.
sadloserkid
13/09/2021, 9:56 AM
I think, sincerely, once you've reformed your club the first time you've lost the high ground and it's less of a punch in the face to do it again.
redobit
13/09/2021, 10:09 AM
That has been the thinking in Inchicore through the years. There are many people both passed on and still alive that did amazing things to keep the club afloat.
Absolutely, heros one and all. Plenty of things happened to keep clubs alive that will never be known. And people didn't do it for recognition or slaps on the back, they did it for the love of their club. Its a conversation that dosent happen but nobody that gets involved wants to be the era that sees the club reformed.
The thoughts of re mortgaging your home for your football club is unthinkable nowadays but fans did it.
Yip these type of things happened. Plenty of people have put their own money into the club or used their credit cards to get over a hump until money came through, and not that long a go either. When we were doing well about a decade ago there was people that had put money in and that was all cleared during the more prosperous times.
Nesta99
13/09/2021, 12:26 PM
Wow. That's a hypothetical I know but that would never fly in The Showgrounds. Winning some trophies is one thing but to reform your club would be seen by our supporters and the committee as the ultimate loss of all. Sligo Rovers committee, fans, supporter groups, trust, really see themselves as custodians of the club and it would be nothing but a slap in the face to everybody who has helped run the club in the past to just close up the club and start again.
The late great Jim Murphy suggested that Dundalk's biggest success of all was survival!
Wow. That's a hypothetical I know but that would never fly in The Showgrounds. Winning some trophies is one thing but to reform your club would be seen by our supporters and the committee as the ultimate loss of all. Sligo Rovers committee, fans, supporter groups, trust, really see themselves as custodians of the club and it would be nothing but a slap in the face to everybody who has helped run the club in the past to just close up the club and start again.
Sure they can all move across to the reformed club with the honours, colours, crest and stadium.
Get spending and fill that tropht cabinet. Wee year in 1st div
do ya’s no harm.
CorribsideSteve
13/09/2021, 12:47 PM
Sure they can all move across to the reformed club with the honours, colours, crest and stadium.
Get spending and fill that tropht cabinet. Wee year in 1st div
do ya’s no harm.
It's hardly ever just the one though, like Pints.
sbgawa
13/09/2021, 1:18 PM
I'll miss LOITV next season if it isnt around , being able to watch the match tonight/tomorrow is great.
I wonder will it continue in some form.
They should have had the game wrapped up by 30 mins on Saturday but were very poor in second half. Will find it difficult in the Showgrounds and no doubt you guys are licking your lips to get them in the cup. Should survive playoffs but UCD could make them sweat.
pineapple stu
13/09/2021, 1:43 PM
Who, Dundalk?
We've lost every one of our last 14 games with them and we concede quite a lot still. I wouldn't fancy our chances against them tbh, basket case and all that they are.
Galway as a full-time team - albeit not a particularly good one, seeing as they're behind us - may have a better chance I think.
I do have to laugh at DCWA's suggestion of "Wee year in the 1st Div". How's that going for Shels?
sbgawa
13/09/2021, 1:58 PM
Who, Dundalk?
We've lost every one of our last 14 games with them and we concede quite a lot still. I wouldn't fancy our chances against them tbh, basket case and all that they are.
Galway as a full-time team - albeit not a particularly good one, seeing as they're behind us - may have a better chance I think.
I do have to laugh at DCWA's suggestion of "Wee year in the 1st Div". How's that going for Shels?
A Paul Doolin inspired Athlone Town making a late run perhaps i thought the first division was over but Athlone winning away to Bray has them 5 points behind with 5 games to go.
I do have to laugh at DCWA's suggestion of "Wee year in the 1st Div". How's that going for Shels?
I am glad to hear it as that of course was the intention.
I’m a Derry fan we done it one folks I can’t be held responsible for others getting stuck in the mud.
Decade later and we are billionaires, no harm done.
redobit
13/09/2021, 2:05 PM
Sure they can all move across to the reformed club with the honours, colours, crest and stadium.
Get spending and fill that tropht cabinet. Wee year in 1st div
do ya’s no harm.
Pride is harder to move. :D
pineapple stu
13/09/2021, 2:21 PM
A Paul Doolin inspired Athlone Town making a late run perhaps i thought the first division was over but Athlone winning away to Bray has them 5 points behind with 5 games to go.
Six points really when the goal difference is taken into account.
Bray have to play Cobh, Cabo and Wexford, and if they win those three, that should be enough even before Athlone slip up (as they surely will)
Longfordian
13/09/2021, 2:42 PM
Says he crossing his fingers fervently!
Nesta99
13/09/2021, 3:37 PM
I am glad to hear it as that of course was the intention.
I’m a Derry fan we done it one folks I can’t be held responsible for others getting stuck in the mud.
Decade later and we are billionaires, no harm done.
Until its suggested that no existing club has done a modern domestic treble in LoI....
Until its suggested that no existing club has done a modern domestic treble in LoI....
Meh, the treble carried over. No harm done.
Nesta99
13/09/2021, 7:04 PM
Meh, the treble carried over. No harm done.
Nah when on a trip to Derry people just fear for their pints so nod in agreement. Footballs mad enough without being able to put in transfer bids in on defunct clubs' records!
I am glad to hear it as that of course was the intention.
I’m a Derry fan we done it one folks I can’t be held responsible for others getting stuck in the mud.
Decade later and we are billionaires, no harm done.
We might be Billionaires but we are in the poorhouse compared to the contributions from Dublin 4 heading to Donegal for the International laden squad.
I see Bohs 2-0 up tonight and Twitter trying to be some sort of Irish VAR.
EAFC_rdfl
13/09/2021, 9:13 PM
We might be Billionaires but we are in the poorhouse compared to the contributions from Dublin 4 heading to Donegal for the International laden squad.
I see Bohs 2-0 up tonight and Twitter trying to be some sort of Irish VAR.
Someone needs to tell Ollie about this imminent windfall, he was into the credit union last week begging for a few pound
https://www.facebook.com/273469149501236/posts/1931673223680812/?sfnsn=mo
joey B
13/09/2021, 9:17 PM
Second best tonight,Bohs probably should have won by more but we nearly snatched an equaliser at the end,looked like we had 2 bad injuries in the first half so hopefully they’ll not be out for too long….
Dalymountrower
13/09/2021, 9:26 PM
Second best tonight,Bohs probably should have won by more but we nearly snatched an equaliser at the end,looked like we had 2 bad injuries in the first half so hopefully they’ll not be out for too long….
Bohs should have been out of sight but got rattled when Harps pulled one back.A Devoy header off the line at 93 mins saved the three points.Entertaining game, hopefully none of the three injuries are too serious.
Nah Nah Nah Nah
13/09/2021, 9:35 PM
We might be Billionaires but we are in the poorhouse compared to the contributions from Dublin 4 heading to Donegal for the International laden squad.
I see Bohs 2-0 up tonight and Twitter trying to be some sort of Irish VAR.
That was funny. People just trying to give out about officials for no real reason. They’ll give a good reason to soon enough. Probably tomorrow.
Nesta99
13/09/2021, 10:21 PM
I was thinking Harps had the eyes firmly fixed on the weekends cup game when the score flashed Bohs 2 up, in fairness though they seem to have had a good go at getting something from the game, they could have coasted being able afford coughing up the points with no relegation battle for them. This one sentence from the RTE match report has me feeling queasy already 'Harps peppered some inviting deliveries into the penalty area' and before a tough one tomorrow where we need to be battling hard for anything!!
joey B
13/09/2021, 10:42 PM
I was thinking Harps had the eyes firmly fixed on the weekends cup game when the score flashed Bohs 2 up, in fairness though they seem to have had a good go at getting something from the game, they could have coasted being able afford coughing up the points with no relegation battle for them. This one sentence from the RTE match report has me feeling queasy already 'Harps peppered some inviting deliveries into the penalty area' and before a tough one tomorrow where we need to be battling hard for anything!!
We gave it a go after we scored but we poor for most of it,rested 4 starters and it showed ,but hopefully we’ll be better for yourselves 😀!!
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