Limerick To Be Liquidated

[pineapple stu]

Best way around all of this is for Limerick to invite Barcelona over for another friendly now.

That'd require there being a Limerick in the first place unfortunately, but still, it'd be hilarious.

[Eminence Grise]

It would require there being an FAI too!!

[NeverFeltBetter]

Limerick United to enter teams at the underage level, and the WNL, for 2020, with the U-19's under Tommy Barrett, aim to get a senior team together for 2021: https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/limerick-united-group-to-field-teams-at-underage-level-with-view-to-senior-league-of-ireland-return-in-2021-38847860.html

Worth a seperate thread?

[nigel-harps1954]

Limerick United to enter teams at the underage level, and the WNL, for 2020, with the U-19's under Tommy Barrett, aim to get a senior team together for 2021: https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/limerick-united-group-to-field-teams-at-underage-level-with-view-to-senior-league-of-ireland-return-in-2021-38847860.html

Worth a seperate thread?

History would suggest it's worth keeping open, it doesn't specify United, FC, 37...

[blueblood]

Pat O'Sullivan still not letting go...
https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/crime-and-courts/508418/limerick-fc-in-high-court-action-over-fais-refusal-to-grant-licence.html

[Mr A]

Ah here, this is madness. Imagine he managed to prevent Limerick united playing in the women's and underage leagues, wouldn't that give a real warm glow of satisfaction.

[blueblood]

Ah here, this is madness. Imagine he managed to prevent Limerick united playing in the women's and underage leagues, wouldn't that give a real warm glow of satisfaction.
Sad really, ironic when you think of why he said he got involved in the first place

[redarmyfaction]

Ah here, this is madness. Imagine he managed to prevent Limerick united playing in the women's and underage leagues, wouldn't that give a real warm glow of satisfaction.

"Further, in accordance with League of Ireland tradition and common practice, Limerick United should be taking on the debts of the Company if it intends on taking on its assets (taking on the debts, shurely shome mistake, Ed)" states Mr O'Sullivan.

He seems to think his entity still has some value.

[Mr A]

He also seems to ignore the fact that LOI tradition and common practice is to walk the f&*k away from your debts, not pick up ones from a separate, insanely poorly managed basket case entity.

[NeverFeltBetter]

When is he going to realise that he isn't getting his money back?

[blueblood]

When is he going to realise that he isn't getting his money back?
Now he has money to waste going to the high court too, he must have serious problems learning from his mistakes

[NeverFeltBetter]

Pat O'Sullivan in court today, read his 40-page submission here: https://twitter.com/Lewi_Shaw18/status/1216849775561265152

Edit: apparently Shams had representation present as well. Hearing resumes tomorrow morning.

[Zenith]

Read it the other day. Unfortunate thing is, when you boil away all the madness he probably has a case. Certainly throws Mooney under the bus. The FAI should have let him apply, and then declined to award a license. Not sure what he realistically thinks will happen here, but it will definitely add to the ongoing uncertainty. Despite United being awarded the license there are a lot of people asking questions that are just being ignored. No idea where the funding is coming from, or who the coaches for each age group will be. Trials dates have been announced for 17s and 19s, but not the 13s or 15s. I'd imagine with the schoolboy short season already kicked off, the transfer window will probably close at the end of this month making it even tighter time wise to assemble squads.

[Lim till i die]

The FAI should have let him apply, and then declined to award a license.

This x1000

The fact they didn't do this painfully obvious thing to do is further evidence of the absolute clown show they are running up there.

The fact Noel Mooney has a big job in UEFA and is sending fellas blank templates from his personal email address to put on headed paper is another insight into the brains of your average football administrator.

On the Limerick "United" coaching situation what I've heard is:

13s : Declan Farmer ( that's bad)
Someone else

15s: Jason O'Connor (that's good)
Niall O'Connor (apparently decent)

17s: John Grehan (Jesus came down from heaven and wept)
Sean Russell (awh shucks)

19s: Local Tommy
Ger Moran (that's bad)

Could be wrong but that's what I have from my sauces.

There's a few on that list that shouldn't be within 500 miles of a schoolboy team, let alone a "best in class" academy.

We shall see.

[NeverFeltBetter]

If they had let him apply and then denied him he'd probably still have them court, alleging that Limerick didn't get a fair shake/that others in breach of requirements got a license.

[Lim till i die]

If they had let him apply and then denied him he'd probably still have them court, alleging that Limerick didn't get a fair shake/that others in breach of requirements got a license.

That's fair comment.

But I think "that boy over there was bold too sir" is a less compelling case than "this organisation has clearly breached its own rules here, here and here."

Had they rejected an application you'd have all manner of decent, respectable, football people that Limerick FC owe money to standing over it.

As it is the FAI just look amateurish.

Not that Pat has a snowballs chance in hell.

Bit it's all about the optics.

Unfortunately, in Abbotstown, the optics is the thing behind the bar that John boy was paying for all the free drinks from out of the expense account sound man that he was.

[Cruyff]

This x1000

The fact they didn't do this painfully obvious thing to do is further evidence of the absolute clown show they are running up there.

The fact Noel Mooney has a big job in UEFA and is sending fellas blank templates from his personal email address to put on headed paper is another insight into the brains of your average football administrator.

On the Limerick "United" coaching situation what I've heard is:

13s : Declan Farmer ( that's bad)
Someone else

15s: Jason O'Connor (that's good)
Niall O'Connor (apparently decent)

17s: John Grehan (Jesus came down from heaven and wept)
Sean Russell (awh shucks)

19s: Local Tommy
Ger Moran (that's bad)

Could be wrong but that's what I have from my sauces.

There's a few on that list that shouldn't be within 500 miles of a schoolboy team, let alone a "best in class" academy.

We shall see.

13s Declan Farmer + Trevor Lovell

[Shearer]

13s : Declan Farmer ( that's bad)
Someone else

15s: Jason O'Connor (that's good)
Niall O'Connor (apparently decent)

17s: John Grehan (Jesus came down from heaven and wept)
Sean Russell (awh shucks)

19s: Local Tommy
Ger Moran (that's bad)

Anyone know if any of those names were involved in this incident?

‘Slightly fishy’ – CSSL accounts were altered for AGM (https://www.clareecho.ie/slightly-fishy-cssl-accounts-were-altered-for-agm/)

[Nesta99]

Fake balance sheets, dodgy expense amounts, cover-ups, delayed AGMs - well sh!t really does roll down hill in Irish football!

[Zenith]

https://twitter.com/SpainGary/status/1218115659109928961?s=20

Possibility FAI will agree to let Limerick FC apply.

[NeverFeltBetter]

Yeah, Spain says there are "ongoing" negotiations. What exactly is being negotiated isn't really clear. The FAI are hardly going to offer POS a pay-out are they?

Edit: Sure let FC and United both in. We'll finally have a proper derby. What's that? Galway? Mervue, SD? Never heard of them.

[Zenith]

It is ambiguous alright, and even if it is just for the right to apply for a license I can only imagine there will be another court case when it's refused.


In its proceedings, Munster Football Club Limited, trading as Limerick Football Club and represented in Court by Frank Callanan SC, seeks various orders against the FAI.The orders include an injunction requiring the FAI to take all necessary steps to permit Limerick FC to submit an application for a licence allowing it play in the 2020 League of Ireland First Division.
It also seeks injunctions preventing the FAI from excluding it from the League of Ireland, and that the FAI is restrained from allocating any of the club's assets, including its underage academy, to any other party.
It further seeks injunctions preventing the FAI from granting a licence allowing any third party to play in the 2020 First Division instead of Limerick until the FAI has complied with its obligations under the association's rules and regulations.
The court previously heard that in correspondence with the club the FAI said it never stated that it was unwilling to allow Limerick FC to apply for a licence.
The FAI said that the club had not provided it with information it requires before a licence can be granted before the required deadlines had expired.
However, the club says the deadlines were only missed due to certain "illegitimate demands" made by the FAI.

From the Limerick Leader.

[Martinho II]

If Limerick FC do go back in what on earth happens? Would this mean that Shamrock Rovers II will have to stay in also?

[Mr A]

Feck it, let's just play the whole season in the Four Courts.

[NeverFeltBetter]

Spain says they'll be back at the court Monday afternoon.

[Nesta99]

If Limerick FC do go back in what on earth happens? Would this mean that Shamrock Rovers II will have to stay in also?

I'd say that Rovers would defer their application to keep things sensible. To go to the courts again if by some miracle Limerick to get a licence would be a step too far even by LoI standards.

[sbgawa]

The court will throw out the one "preventing 3rd parties joining the league"
its nothing to do with Limerick if the FAI want to appoint 1 2 or 3 other teams to the league.
Rovers applied before Limerick went bust, no connection.

[Zenith]

FAI grants them permission to apply.

[Zenith]

Limerick FC announces investment and publicly calls for united front on the
future of Limerick Soccer
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Limerick FC has confirmed a future investment into Limerick FC of €500,000 from
international investors to be invested over a three year period to secure the future of
Limerick Senior, Ladies and Underage soccer.

A large part of the investment is ring fenced for underage soccer. Limerick FC is
eager to involve the newly formed group using the name Limerick United to join
together in the best interests of underage soccer in Limerick.

It has not been possible to enter a meaningful dialogue with Conn Murray, the
Interim Chairman of the new group by the Investors, representative and Pat O’Sullivan, Chairman of Limerick FC, despite repeated requests.

On the basis of legal advice provided to Mr Murray, he has refused to engage whilst High Court
proceedings against the FAI are ongoing.
Unfortunately, Mr Murray refused to
identify the new group’s Solicitors to the Investor’s Representative.

Limerick FC is eager to establish a football structure which incorporates the best
soccer talent, players and coaches, in Limerick and the surrounding regions. The
new investment obtained by Limerick FC will ensure that the Limerick academy is
properly financed for years to come.

Limerick FC is willing to amalgamate with the new group to ensure the future of
Limerick Soccer, Senior, Ladies and Underage.

Further, as a mark of goodwill to its county men and fellow football supporters,
Limerick FC is also agreeable to the recently announced group members, including
Conn Murray, Interim Chairman, and any coaches appointed by them to remain in
place subject to FAI requirements regarding qualifications, Garda vetting etc.
The role of Chairman of Limerick FC Pat O’Sullivan can be addressed as part of any talks.

Chairman of Limerick FC Pat O’Sullivan wishes to express his sincere hope that in
the best interests of Limerick football, Senior, Ladies and Underage, the football
people of Limerick work together to secure the investment and the future success of
Limerick football.


All Media and PR enquires
Nicky Woulfe
Director
Woulfe

[sbgawa]

Hard to know what to say to this. 500k over 3 years is a pittance in terms of running a professional outfit. Good news I suppose to have a senior limerick team

[Lim till i die]

Nicky Woulfe :D :D :D

That's exactly what you need now Paud is Nicky Woulfe.

Bring on the dancing bears!!

[pineapple stu]

Seems to me the easiest thing to do is for Shamrock Rovers to ditch the II team and just loan Limerick 20 players.

[SeanDMRooney]

I mean you got to give PO’S credit for boxing smart. It’s very unclear where this ends up a lot uncleared than it was a week ago. But any limerick side with a license is better than no limerick side with a license maybe ?

[Nesta99]

O'Sullivan is really hanging in there. 500k from 'international investors' is well spun by the PR guru. I think PO'S is looking to save face at this rather than looking for too much of his money back. Foolish pride!?

[Zenith]

The United U17 and U19 trials tomorrow could be a real circus if he rocks up.

[Bunny Kelly]

Anyone going to question the international investors especially baring in mind the irregular betting pattern in some of lims games last year?

[NeverFeltBetter]

I hope they will.

[redarmyfaction]

Anyone going to question the international investors especially baring in mind the irregular betting pattern in some of lims games last year?
Alleged irregular betting patterns you mean, an investigation was launched and or appears to have gone nowhere. I have always suspected that the FAI indulged the match fixing thing in the LOI in order to push their 'problem child' agenda which deflected from the truth of the dysfunctional parent.

[Mr A]

Can someone explain to me how a €500,000 investment over 3 years rescues an entity that failed to exit examinership due to debts of €490,000? Am a bit lost as to how the entity is even there to apply for a license TBH.

[pineapple stu]

I suppose if someone came in and cleared all its debts before it entered liquidation - which doesn't appear to have happened yet - then the club could avoid that fate.

Then logically, if it was never liquidated, it should have the right to apply to retain its licence - which is consistent with what the courts found.

How they avoid just racking up debts again through 2020 is another question. Licensing either decides they can't, and kicks them out a la Bury, or looks the other way, a la FAI licensing

[sbgawa]

There will be no looking the other way this time, new chairman , new CEO , both professionals and not professional chancers.
What's the betting on a new entity limerick city 2 applying for a licence? With POS behind it.

[Treaty Gooner]

Has he passed the deadline for a new submission? Only granted a extension because of the court ruling?

[Zenith]

Think I saw Feb 6th somewhere as the deadline.

[nr637]

Any chance that the Limerick FC group will negotiate with Limerick United and somehow get a senior team into the First Division before the deadline?

Any Limerick fans care to offer some insight with the politics and goings on within the Limerick situation!

[Lim till i die]

Tommy Barrett is over Limerick United.

I'd assume (though who knows?!) that he is also Pat's largest footballing debt.

So there'll be no talk there without a big cheque being wrote I'd say.

One that doesn't bounce.

At the moment Pat has no ground and no players.

His foreign investor is basically Danny Drew so lulz.

Also, as pat should know better than most, 500k over 3 years? Just enough money to **** people off. Not enough to do anything with.

The reports from United's trial day were not great.

Their 17s should be competitive but 19s will be poor. (And quite possibly will also be the 17s the longer the year goes on)

The problem the FAI have is they didn't do their business correctly. The part of the deposition concerning Will Fitzgerald going to Waterford, if true, is absolute amateur hour for example.

I don't see where Pat gets a team to field. There was talk he spoke to Liam Kearney about the job so maybe he's looking at fellas who aren't good enough for cork or waterfords 19s??

How many loan players per club are you allowed? A dream fudge scenario would be pat taking rovers b place in the league and Fielding a team with five or six fellas on loan from Rovers. I don't know if that's allowed tho...

I just don't think he has a chance of fielding a team.

If I was the fai id nearly give him the license and call his bluff

The FAI have any number of reasons to reject Pat's application.

But do they have the balls? Or the money for a couple of more days in court?

In summary:

Pat v the FAI is an old man holding out for a cheque from people who have no cheque to give.

FC vs United is two bald men fighting over the place where a comb used to be.

[blueblood]

There's a bit here about the underage teams.
https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/sport/510490/limerick-fcs-pat-o-sullivan-there-s-been-a-co-ordinated-effort-to-destabilise-our-club.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

[NeverFeltBetter]

I assume Limerick United's plan is to wait for Limerick FC's application to fail, for that entity to begin its final death rattle, and then carry on as they were.

It the application is accepted I don't know what they do, but I presume it will be to wait for Limerick FC to fail (again), for that entity to begin its final death rattle, and then carry on as they were.

[Zenith]

There would appear to be no incentive whatsoever for United to collaborate with Pat. If anything they'd be shooting themselves in the foot, guaranteeing whatever goodwill there is currently will go the way of Sean Russell's ACL.

[Cruyff]

I heard that the LDSL have sent an email to clubs banning players from attending Limerick United underage trials and threatening fines on clubs who's players attend.

Not sure about which ages but I think it applies to u13s anyway because I think the u13 assessments tonight have been cancelled as a result.

My info is a bit hazy, got it at least third hand.

Supposedly there was some arrangement made between LDSL and Limerick United regarding underage but then the was a fall out of some sort...

Anyone hear anything about that?

[Zenith]

It's not a real circus without clowns.