Limerick To Be Liquidated

[blueblood]

Keep laughing at property deals, it will help pass the time with no football 😁
Like I was saying don't count your chicken's before they hatch after hearing Shane Ross today. Not specifically aimed at you but there's no guarantees in Irish football

[marinobohs]

To be fair it's not Bohs fans taking shots, its just marino, who takes petulant shots at everyone on this forum at every opportunity presumably because it makes him feel 'big', you'll enjoy your time on here much more if you just ignore him.

First “petulant shot ” on here was blue blood but don’t let facts get in the way - you never did before !
Most would enjoy their time here a lot more without your usual long winded nonsense.

[marinobohs]

Eh this is the Irish football public you are talking about and is an issue across the board, any LoI fan should know this all too well, the FAI know it too! Bohs sell out a very restricted capacity ground and you're are behaving as if you are selling out the national stadium. Before you bite back yes Dundalk crowds should be better than what they are considering unprecedented success and we could look to Bohs great strides in rebuilding the fanbase; We face a very difficult time especially without a supporters club/trust if Peak6 decide to leave, Oriel Park is a kip, and this seasons shirt is not great etc etc. Talk about believing the hype though...football fans tend to have short memories but this is more obtuse than selective memory! I was starting to 'like' Bohs for as much as a rival fan can like any rival club, wumming or not the above is just a bit daft Marino all things considered.

Actually my very point was WHAT are Limerick fans doing to get senior football in Limerick ? Dundalk, Cork, Bohs, Shams etc were saved by their fans getting off their backsides to save their club. Limerick appear to wait for another millionaire to ramble by.
Letters and faux concern from local reps and/or looking for Govt money is not an option.
The exact same will apply at Dundalk if/when PEAK6 disappear over the horizon (unless some other investor fills the void).

[blueblood]

First “petulant shot ” on here was blue blood but don’t let facts get in the way - you never did before !
Most would enjoy their time here a lot more without your usual long winded nonsense.

What are you on about??? A Bohs fan joked

"So, would this technically be Limerick 38 or 39?"

To which I obviously joking replied.....
"That's the year the club was formed, if we're back in 2020 season it'll obviously be Limerick 20 until we need a new name in a few years. If only we had sold the Market's Field even though we don't own it 🤔🤔🤔"

Then you came in all defensive and child like with........
"Much easier to rob players wages, abandon injured player and then fold (again). Then whine for Government / Sara Claus to clear up your mess. Sure, it’s the Limerick way."

Go back 1 page IT'S ALL THERE IN BLACK AND WHITE
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[marinobohs]

What are you on about??? A Bohs fan joked

"So, would this technically be Limerick 38 or 39?"

To which I obviously joking replied.....
"That's the year the club was formed, if we're back in 2020 season it'll obviously be Limerick 20 until we need a new name in a few years. If only we had sold the Market's Field even though we don't own it 🤔🤔🤔"

Then you came in all defensive and child like with........
"Much easier to rob players wages, abandon injured player and then fold (again). Then whine for Government / Sara Claus to clear up your mess. Sure, it’s the Limerick way."

Go back 1 page IT'S ALL THERE IN BLACK AND WHITE
** YOU " joked" repeatedly about the same rubbish. At least own it.You got your reply 😁 or maybe I was "joking"

Still waiting to hear WHAT Limerick fans are doing about keeping senior football in Limerick.

[blueblood]

YOU " joked" repeatedly about the same rubbish. At least own it.You got your reply 😁 or maybe I was "joking"

Still waiting to hear WHAT Limerick fans are doing about keeping senior football in Limerick.

Quote Originally Posted by marinobohs View Post
First “petulant shot ” on here was blue blood but don’t let facts get in the way - you never did before !
Most would enjoy their time here a lot more without your usual long winded nonsense.

Sweet Jesus I'll do this simply as I can for you.....
1st....A different Bohs fan joked (about Limerick 38 or 39)

2nd....I joked back. (about Limerick 20 AND selling a ground we don't own)

3rd.....YOU got your knickers in a twist AND you took the first "petulant shot" ie..........
Much easier to rob players wages, abandon injured player and then fold (again). Then whine for Government / Sara Claus to clear up your mess. Sure, it’s the Limerick way.
Multi-Quote This Message.
That is what I was replying to.... what you said "First “petulant shot ” on here was blue blood"
Is that clear enough for you now, if not maybe there's some on here who can dumb it down further for you, god my brain is starting to hurt. I remember why I stopped posting on this site ☹️☹️☹️

[blueblood]

YOU " joked" repeatedly about the same rubbish. At least own it.You got your reply 😁 or maybe I was "joking"

Still waiting to hear WHAT Limerick fans are doing about keeping senior football in Limerick.

Secondly I said I joked ONCE that was in reply to another post by a Bohs fan....

[blueblood]

YOU " joked" repeatedly about the same rubbish. At least own it.You got your reply 😁 or maybe I was "joking"

Still waiting to hear WHAT Limerick fans are doing about keeping senior football in Limerick.
Thirdly . Limerick unlike Bohs at present don't have much of a fan base, we spent almost 20 years in the IST Division then at best became a yo-yo club for the last 7 years or whatever, people got disillusioned with the club I I wouldn't blame them for drifting away. The few hardcore fans don't have the money or expertise to save the club, there's a lot of bad feeling for the club locally at present.

[marinobohs]

Nah selling property that isn't yours to sell sounds much easier, in fact it's so easy some club decided to do it numerous times 😂😂😂. Btw you won't find anybody who will defend what POS did over the last few years so I don't think anybody is going to get upset by your silly comment!
It seems the majority of LOI people aren't happy that Limerick FC are gone but some childish people like to kick others when they are down but this is LOI and trouble is never far away but some forget this.
Just the once eh ? With counting like that it's no wonder Limerick is in trouble.

You "joke" I get "knickers in twist" because I respond in kind. Right, sure that makes complete sense 🙄

Anyway, Cork, Bohs, Shams fans didn't have the money or expertise either, until they had to. Maybe a fans owned/run model might be more sustainable in Limerick ? Got to be better than sitting around slagging the previous owner (who at least put his own money in).

[GUFCghost]

The common factor in LOI clubs that go bust seems to be private ownership/ reliance on a particular benefactor. Community ownership doesn't pave over the many, many problems involved in running a LOI club, but it does seem to result in clubs that are a lot more sustainable.
I'm open to correction on this, can anyone name an example of a supporter owned club completely collapsing?

[Nesta99]

The common factor in LOI clubs that go bust seems to be private ownership/ reliance on a particular benefactor. Community ownership doesn't pave over the many, many problems involved in running a LOI club, but it does seem to result in clubs that are a lot more sustainable.
I'm open to correction on this, can anyone name an example of a supporter owned club completely collapsing?

Another few weeks without a private investor DFC Co-op would have. But technically the answer is no. A hybrid type model is what is really needed imo.

[marinobohs]

The common factor in LOI clubs that go bust seems to be private ownership/ reliance on a particular benefactor. Community ownership doesn't pave over the many, many problems involved in running a LOI club, but it does seem to result in clubs that are a lot more sustainable.
I'm open to correction on this, can anyone name an example of a supporter owned club completely collapsing?

Obviously not having all your eggs in one basket (sugar daddy) make it a little less likely to go bang quickly, but there tend to be more pressure on supporter directors as they are usually closer to the fans and this can sometimes lead to overspending 'chasing the dream', often at the expense of good business practice. it also makes it more difficult to raise large cash injections which may be required if a club wants to compete.
Bottom line is its about budgeting realistically and spending what you can afford, irrespective of the model of ownership.

[blueblood]

Just the once eh ? With counting like that it's no wonder Limerick is in trouble.

You "joke" I get "knickers in twist" because I respond in kind. Right, sure that makes complete sense 🙄

Anyway, Cork, Bohs, Shams fans didn't have the money or expertise either, until they had to. Maybe a fans owned/run model might be more sustainable in Limerick ? Got to be better than sitting around slagging the previous owner (who at least put his own money in).
Do you have a problem understanding the word 'FIRST" (coming before all others in time or order; earliest; 1st.). I was slowly and simply trying to explain the lead up to the 'first" shot that was by yourself. I really hope you understand it now it's really basic stuff

[pineapple stu]

Honestly blueblood - the ignore list is your best bet. You will never ever get the last word with marino, and usually things go off on a tangent. It's like an illness or something.

(As an example, watch what reply this gets...)

[marinobohs]

Honestly blueblood - the ignore list is your best bet. You will never ever get the last word with marino, and usually things go off on a tangent. It's like an illness or something.

(As an example, watch what reply this gets...) Yawn ;) still thinks he is a moderator.

[marinobohs]

Do you have a problem understanding the word 'FIRST" (coming before all others in time or order; earliest; 1st.). I was slowly and simply trying to explain the lead up to the 'first" shot that was by yourself. I really hope you understand it now it's really basic stuff

You took a pop at Bohs I took a pop at Limerick, get over it, just don't pretend there is any difference between the two. Still, posting on a football forum definitely better than trying to help your club in its current difficulties :rolleyes:

[blueblood]

Honestly blueblood - the ignore list is your best bet. You will never ever get the last word with marino, and usually things go off on a tangent. It's like an illness or something.

(As an example, watch what reply this gets...)
Noted. Thanks 😁

[pineapple stu]

You're welcome :)

As an aside, best of luck getting the club back on its feet, however it happens

[blueblood]

You're welcome :)

As an aside, best of luck getting the club back on its feet, however it happens
Thanks, it'll be really weird not having a game to go to on a Friday night, it's been a mad roller coaster the last 30+ years supporting Limerick but even tho the last few seasons have been fairly miserable at times I'll miss it, it's just a way of life for myself and others 😞.

[Nesta99]

There but for the grace of god and all that. It'd be horrible not to be able to go see the local club on Friday nights etc. While Marino was less than diplomatic there was some validity in what he was saying about having a proactive supporters group - is there a group or plans for one going forward?

[blueblood]

There but for the grace of god and all that. It'd be horrible not to be able to go see the local club on Friday nights etc. While Marino was less than diplomatic there was some validity in what he was saying about having a proactive supporters group - is there a group or plans for one going forward?
There was a trust set up by one of the supporters groups recently but not meeting until the new year I think. Don't know how much success they'll have, a lot of people have a problem with the lads who set it up (I don't) the same way people had a problem with the previous trust , maybe if everyone put aside their differences and by some small miracle actually worked together for the good of the club there's a slim chance of success but I recon on a small scale but then hopefully grow from there over time. Some passionate people are involved in this latest trust but I don't know if they'll get the numbers but you never know

[placid casual]

Blue blood, if the LOI has taught us anything it's that it's only the supporters who ultimately keep their team alive. To rely on any outside assistance, whether that is the useless FAIlures, government grants, foreign investment,local sugar daddy's, is just folly. Your fans (collectively) will be the ones to resuscitate the team . There is no shortage of LOI people with advice on how to get that off the ground.
Best of luck to ye.

[marinobohs]

There was a trust set up by one of the supporters groups recently but not meeting until the new year I think. Don't know how much success they'll have, a lot of people have a problem with the lads who set it up (I don't) the same way people had a problem with the previous trust , maybe if everyone put aside their differences and by some small miracle actually worked together for the good of the club there's a slim chance of success but I recon on a small scale but then hopefully grow from there over time. Some passionate people are involved in this latest trust but I don't know if they'll get the numbers but you never know

Would be worth their while talking to FORAS, Shams, Bohs on how the fans owned option works for them, far from perfect but, as has been said, probably a more sustainable model.Progress/success may be slower but if you get a core of decent people committed to the club that will gradually increase.
There is lot of great work done out there (Sligo have done wonders in raising community awareness and money !). Slagging aside, most fans want to see teams in Limerick, Waterford etc and there would be no shortage of advice/assistance available.

[trevy]

How much does it cost to be a member at Bohs or other clubs? Can anyone become a member and aside from admission to games what else does it get you? Relying on one man like Pat O'Sullivan or Lee Power to keep investing is risky.

[Dalymountrower]

How much does it cost to be a member at Bohs or other clubs? Can anyone become a member and aside from admission to games what else does it get you? Relying on one man like Pat O'Sullivan or Lee Power to keep investing is risky.

€365 per year in Bohs. It gets you as much involvement in participating in the running of the club as you have time and inclination and the skill set to do so. I personally don`t get too involved because of work commitments, but if I have something to say, good and bad, I know that I can get to a decision maker with an e mail or phone call, and I will be listened to. Being part of the collective pride in the successes and collective embarassment in the failures, and being in a position to influence both, is what makes the fans owned model so compelling.

Reliance on a wealthy benefactor is attractive, but they move on eventually when a better business proposition comes along.For what its worth, the Rovers model of a bit of both is definitely sustainable as long as the benefactor contribution is not relied upon for day the day to day running of the club.

[marinobohs]

How much does it cost to be a member at Bohs or other clubs? Can anyone become a member and aside from admission to games what else does it get you? Relying on one man like Pat O'Sullivan or Lee Power to keep investing is risky.
Annual membership subscription for Bohs is 365 euro (as opposed to season ticket 250).Apart from admittance to games, you are part owner of club and get to go to EGMs etc (often worth the money itself - and not always in a good way) discount in club shop, and on craft beers :D. There are reduced membership rates for students, O.A.P.s families etc.
Membership is open to anyone to apply although there are some rules around those blessed to be accepted (the rules date back and are rarely applied) basically we will take anyone's money !

It does give good basis for budgeting in that it is almost guaranteed income over season rather than the hit and miss of crowd fluctuations and also 'commits' people who often become addicted.

[sbgawa]

€600 @ rovers including season ticket (€180) you get priority access to tickets and get to go to agms and egms and vote on major club issues, as well as elect board members.
It's a lot of money but as was said above k owing you are a part owner makes the wins all the sweeter.

[ForzaForth]

€200 per year at Wexford which includes usual voting, attendance and club ownership rights (excluding the ground of course). Season ticket is extra.

[blueblood]

Blue blood, if the LOI has taught us anything it's that it's only the supporters who ultimately keep their team alive. To rely on any outside assistance, whether that is the useless FAIlures, government grants, foreign investment,local sugar daddy's, is just folly. Your fans (collectively) will be the ones to resuscitate the team . There is no shortage of LOI people with advice on how to get that off the ground.
Best of luck to ye.
Totally agree with you, we've had our fair share of mad owners and we've always had troubles, always.
I believe in living within your means, take as long as it takes rather than rely on an owner's money but if an investor or consortium or whatever comes along (rumor has it there's been plenty of attempted takeovers) they'll be favourites to take over, how can a fan owned club compete with that? I think they'll give the license to whoever has more money unfortunately! If there's no interest then hopefully a fan owned model happens

[blueblood]

There's big differences in how much membership costs at the different clubs, I recon Limerick would hope for 150/200 members.
The Bohs model seems pretty decent I think, fair play to shamrock rovers if they can get e600 but would scare too many Limerick people away, how much do cork charge?

[nigel-harps1954]

Finn Harps is a one off payment of €317.50 for a share in the club, which has proven a bit of a disaster in recent seasons. Club had looked into a membership structure, but it would add a whole legal quagmire to the 500 or so people who already have a lifetime share in the club.

[Hitman]

There's big differences in how much membership costs at the different clubs, I recon Limerick would hope for 150/200 members.
The Bohs model seems pretty decent I think, fair play to shamrock rovers if they can get e600 but would scare too many Limerick people away, how much do cork charge?

€120, €60 for unwaged and OAPs.

[blueblood]

Finn Harps is a one off payment of €317.50 for a share in the club, which has proven a bit of a disaster in recent seasons. Club had looked into a membership structure, but it would add a whole legal quagmire to the 500 or so people who already have a lifetime share in the club.
Ha that reminds me I once bought a share in Limerick FC about 10 years ago that I'd completely forgotten about, I can't even remember what that was about I just thought of it as a donation to the club so I guess we were sort of fan owned at some stage, with all the drama over the years it's so hard to differentiate between reality/imagination/hope it's all becoming a bit of a blur

[NeverFeltBetter]

From Frankie Daly's Facebook:


Limerick Senior Soccer Statement- More to follow:

A new group has been formed to save guard Senior Football in Limerick and the Mid west. The group have held meetings with the FAI and they have been very positive.
We now will apply to enter sides in the Airtricity underage League as “Limerick United”.
The ladies will apply for Senior Ladies and u17 League of Ireland.
The club intention is to return to Senior League of Ireland in 2021.

[nigel-harps1954]

Save guard.

[Shearer]

Save guard.
If that's all you can take from that statement then God help you.

[Longfordian]

Has there been a Limerick United previously or am I thinking of Cork?

[nigel-harps1954]

If that's all you can take from that statement then God help you.

I'm a terrible person and should never ever step out in public again.

[NeverFeltBetter]

Has there been a Limerick United previously or am I thinking of Cork?

There was. A league and a cup were won under that name.

[Martinho II]

Has there been a Limerick United previously or am I thinking of Cork?

yeah there was Longfordian think it was mid 80s. Eoin Hands time in charge.

[Enruoblehs]

yeah there was Longfordian think it was mid 80s. Eoin Hands time in charge.

From 1979 to 1983, I think.

[fc hammer]

From 1979 to 1983, I think. Changed to Limerick City after that.

[EatYerGreens]

Finn Harps is a one off payment of €317.50 for a share in the club, which has proven a bit of a disaster in recent seasons. Club had looked into a membership structure, but it would add a whole legal quagmire to the 500 or so people who already have a lifetime share in the club.

You might be able to change the organisation's constitution and memorandum of association to have more than one class of shareholding.

[Scrufil]

It is a wonder nobody has brought this up, but do Limerick now have grounds to sue the FAI, if there is any money left, over the Limerick v Barcalona thing?

That is if there is an entity exits who were harmed by this...

[pineapple stu]

Would have thought it's too far back in the past now to sue over. 6 years is the usual limit.

[redarmyfaction]

Would have thought it's too far back in the past now to sue over. 6 years is the usual limit.

There is no statue of limitations generally speaking but the plantiffs would have show good reasons for delay in order for the case to be heard, such action at this stage would probably be seen as vexatious or opportunistic. Anyways you can't get feathers off a frog and the FAI could well be gone before the lawyers get their wigs on.

[NeverFeltBetter]

Limerick Leader have an informative, albeit basic, timeline up: https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/sport/504246/limerick-fc-s-demise-the-numbers-behind-the-loss-of-senior-soccer.html

[pineapple stu]

There is no statue of limitations generally speaking but the plantiffs would have show good reasons for delay in order for the case to be heard, such action at this stage would probably be seen as vexatious or opportunistic. Anyways you can't get feathers off a frog and the FAI could well be gone before the lawyers get their wigs on.
There's a whole detailed act on statute of limitations (http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1957/act/6/enacted/en/html)? There's no statute of limitations for indictable offences (says Wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_of_Limitations_in_Ireland)), but that doesn't apply here. Breach of contract is maybe the nearest to what happened, and that has a 6-year statute of limitations (http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1957/act/6/section/11/enacted/en/html#sec11). After six years, documentation can be legally destroyed, and obviously it makes it harder to bring a fair hearing if one side has legitimately destroyed documentation.

[osarusan]

Both sides came to an agreement of some kind then, which probably included an agreement not to take any further legal action.

[Eminence Grise]

A matter for CAS, maybe? If the agreement was some form of contract it may not have been legally enforceable if the FAI failed to disclose information, negotiated in bad faith, or pressurised Limerick to sign. The only winners would be the lawyers, though, so it's academic I suppose.