View Full Version : Jason Knight (M Bristol City b.2001)
Bielsa´s irish
01/08/2022, 4:05 AM
He sets up a few in. Had 4 assists I think, Needs a move ASAP. right back, my aunt!!!
Biggest issus with Knight is they don't know how to effectively use him but can't afford to not have the intensity he brings to the game so just stick him anywhere. Think LB and CB are the only two outfield positions he hasn't played yet for Derby.
Eirambler
01/08/2022, 10:09 AM
I think Knight has potential and I like him but it’s never been obvious to me that he’s exceptional. It’s an extreme contrast to Collins who I believe will be a Champions League level player within three years.
Collins and Bazunu are potentially generational players though, we may not produce anyone else of that standard in the next 10 years so it's probably not fair to judge every other player by their standards. They may well both go on and become established players for top 6 teams, but that doesn't mean others won't go on and also have very successful careers, though maybe at a slightly lower level.
Knight for me looks as good as anyone I have seen in our youth setup in the last five years, outside of those two. I'd be fairly confident that he will become an established player at Premier League or and equivalent league in Europe within the next two or three years. So it is a bit of a surprise that there hasn't yet been a team wiling to throw a few million at Derby to take him on.
When you factor in that he qualifies as a home grown player and also that he is at an age where he doesn't need to be included in a 25 man squad for the coming season, he would basically be almost a free hit for any EPL team outside of the top seven or eight teams. Hopefully he gets something sorted by the end of the month - I do have a nagging fear that Celtic might see him as worth a cheap punt towards the end of the transfer window.
Diggs246
01/08/2022, 7:25 PM
Collins and Bazunu are potentially generational players though, we may not produce anyone else of that standard in the next 10 years so it's probably not fair to judge every other player by their standards. They may well both go on and become established players for top 6 teams, but that doesn't mean others won't go on and also have very successful careers, though maybe at a slightly lower level.
Knight for me looks as good as anyone I have seen in our youth setup in the last five years, outside of those two. I'd be fairly confident that he will become an established player at Premier League or and equivalent league in Europe within the next two or three years. So it is a bit of a surprise that there hasn't yet been a team wiling to throw a few million at Derby to take him on.
When you factor in that he qualifies as a home grown player and also that he is at an age where he doesn't need to be included in a 25 man squad for the coming season, he would basically be almost a free hit for any EPL team outside of the top seven or eight teams. Hopefully he gets something sorted by the end of the month - I do have a nagging fear that Celtic might see him as worth a cheap punt towards the end of the transfer window.
I'd vomit he he goes to Scotland
His agent is a lemon for allowing this to happen. He is too good for Birmingham as well
liamoo11
01/08/2022, 7:33 PM
I think if you were him at this stage you might just hang on and move on a free next summer. No harm playing right back for a bit to improve his defensive awareness and develop his attacking ability.
Nothing earth shattering in here but it does reveal that Burnley have expressed an interest (and that Derby are valuing Knight really highly). Would be nice to see him link up with the Burnley Irish - Cullen, Costelloe, McNally and Long.
https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/jason-knight-birmingham-derby-transfer-7423083
(I have absolutely no idea why I can’t seem to post hyperlinks on here anymore!! Sorry!)
Eirambler
05/08/2022, 6:37 PM
Burnley signed an attacking midfielder during the week, so that might limit their interest in Knight now, though they are doing a full squad rebuild so you'd never know.
It's a shame Knight's contract had the year still on it or he could have just walked away like many others. Derby haven't shown themselves to be particularly loyal to their players in the past, so it might be getting towards the point where he needs to play a bit of hardball and try to force a move, even if he loses the support of their fans as a result. He doesn't owe them anything at this stage.
Nothing earth shattering in here but it does reveal that Burnley have expressed an interest (and that Derby are valuing Knight really highly). Would be nice to see him link up with the Burnley Irish - Cullen, Costelloe, McNally and Long.
https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/jason-knight-birmingham-derby-transfer-7423083
(I have absolutely no idea why I can’t seem to post hyperlinks on here anymore!! Sorry!)
Yeah Derby have the safety net of being entitled to compensation and probably decent compensation for Knight if he joins another English club given his experience for club and country. They can afford to play hard ball with the valuation this early in the season. Might see him move in January when he can sign a pre contract for teams outside England and move for a couple of million.
Burnley signed an attacking midfielder during the week, so that might limit their interest in Knight now, though they are doing a full squad rebuild so you'd never know.
It's a shame Knight's contract had the year still on it or he could have just walked away like many others. Derby haven't shown themselves to be particularly loyal to their players in the past, so it might be getting towards the point where he needs to play a bit of hardball and try to force a move, even if he loses the support of their fans as a result. He doesn't owe them anything at this stage.
Manuel Benson is a winger so probably come in and replace Costello in the team.
Demesne Lad
05/08/2022, 11:28 PM
Derby manager Liam Rosenior stresses that he wants Knight to stay, acknowledges the media speculation about his future but says there have been no offers for him. (Football League World, 5 August).
tommy_c12000
06/08/2022, 1:13 PM
Manuel Benson is a winger so probably come in and replace Costello in the team.
Cornet just moved to west ham so still space for Costello, if he can impress Kompany. Starts again today
tommy_c12000
27/08/2022, 4:56 PM
Yet another man of the match display today apparently, scored a wonderful header too with McGoldrick scoring a late winner. Derby have rebounded nicely in league one and will likely go from strength to strength. No word of solid outside interest, seems like Knight is destined for a year of league one with a free transfer next summer
Likely see him move in January. Derby will get decent compensation next summer if he joins an English club but they won't want to risk losing him for little to nothing if he signs a pre contract with a team abroad.
Paper talk has said before there's interest in Germany and could see some teams there approaching him in January when he's free to talk with clubs. At that stage Derby will likely act lower sums from teams in England to get a couple of million.
Snapshot
28/08/2022, 3:56 AM
The talk of his impending transfer has now transcended seasons and windows. Maybe it's our green tints, maybe he's not that good. If he's worth say, £5m-£7m, that's small pickings for a promoted or yo/yo Championship club. I'm not trying to talk Knight down, but if he has the required quality surely the financial hurdle facing admirers is relatively small despite a contract running down. Yet, notwithstanding Derby's precarious situation, he's still there . . . playing in League One.
Eirambler
28/08/2022, 5:57 AM
I wouldn't consider myself as being prone to over-hyping our younger players, I probably lean more the other way on most of them until they prove otherwise in senior football (as Bazunu and Collins have done for instance). But I'm absolutely sold on Knight, I think he's a great player.
Hard working on the field, great attitude off it by all accounts and he also seems to have a bit of creative talent about him that we've seen a few times playing for us that just sets him apart from your average central midfielder.
He hasn't had the breaks in his club career - after a breakthrough first season as a teenager things went badly wrong off the field at Derby and he has been caught up in all that. It was bad enough last season when they used him as a workhorse centre mid that meant he couldn't really show his creative side at club level - not to mention Rooney taking him out for two months in training - but sticking him at right back is just another level. Again it shows his versatility that he can play the position so well, but all this means that he's not able to show his best at club level, which then impacts on his transfer value - Derby know what he's worth but other clubs' scouts don't really get to see it so nobody ends up meeting his valuation.
He also seems like a very loyal type - not one to throw the toys out of the pram and demand a transfer. Derby are happy to take advantage of this of course even though they've shown no loyalty to others themselves in the past. This counts against him a bit at the moment also. My biggest fear is that he might actually sign a new contract at Derby, it would be absolutely the wrong thing to do but you couldn't rule it out at this point.
I don't think he's a player that will necessarily go on and play for a top six side in England - he's probably not at that level and there are loads of other good midfielders out there competing with him - but I honestly think he wouldn't look remotely out of place at about 10 or 12 Premier League teams this season. The trend at the moment there though is to spend 25 million on a player from an overseas league, not a small fraction of that on someone playing in League 1. So he'll probably have to go somewhere else first before he can make the step up to the level I think he should actually be playing at.
Snapshot
28/08/2022, 8:00 AM
Nice read. I agree with much of what you say about his ability, character, attitude and loyalty. But not all. Unless there are circumstances of which I'm unaware, EPL and potential EPL clubs seem underwhelmed by what he has to offer despite the relatively low fee to sign him. It was something similar with Josh Cullen. Yes, there is crazy money being thrown about - but it would be nudging naivety to believe there are no shrewd talent spotters still out there. If he's good enough, surely he'll be picked up.
Diggs246
28/08/2022, 8:08 AM
If anyone watched Bournemouth yesterday they need jason! ( and another 8 players!)
I wouldn't consider myself as being prone to over-hyping our younger players, I probably lean more the other way on most of them until they prove otherwise in senior football (as Bazunu and Collins have done for instance). But I'm absolutely sold on Knight, I think he's a great player.
Hard working on the field, great attitude off it by all accounts and he also seems to have a bit of creative talent about him that we've seen a few times playing for us that just sets him apart from your average central midfielder.
He hasn't had the breaks in his club career - after a breakthrough first season as a teenager things went badly wrong off the field at Derby and he has been caught up in all that. It was bad enough last season when they used him as a workhorse centre mid that meant he couldn't really show his creative side at club level - not to mention Rooney taking him out for two months in training - but sticking him at right back is just another level. Again it shows his versatility that he can play the position so well, but all this means that he's not able to show his best at club level, which then impacts on his transfer value - Derby know what he's worth but other clubs' scouts don't really get to see it so nobody ends up meeting his valuation.
He also seems like a very loyal type - not one to throw the toys out of the pram and demand a transfer. Derby are happy to take advantage of this of course even though they've shown no loyalty to others themselves in the past. This counts against him a bit at the moment also. My biggest fear is that he might actually sign a new contract at Derby, it would be absolutely the wrong thing to do but you couldn't rule it out at this point.
I don't think he's a player that will necessarily go on and play for a top six side in England - he's probably not at that level and there are loads of other good midfielders out there competing with him - but I honestly think he wouldn't look remotely out of place at about 10 or 12 Premier League teams this season. The trend at the moment there though is to spend 25 million on a player from an overseas league, not a small fraction of that on someone playing in League 1. So he'll probably have to go somewhere else first before he can make the step up to the level I think he should actually be playing at.
Six goals in the equivalent of 20 league games minutes wise in his debut season at 18 under Cocu. Then things went to **** at Derby big time behind the seasons. Always said the biggest issue under Rooney was it looked as if he didn't know how to get the best out of Knight but because of his athleticism he'd play him here there and everywhere because he's "workhorse" and let Knight run himself into the ground.
When you see someone like West Ham spending £12m on Flynn Downes, someone whose bang average and played less minutes in the championship while being two years older than Knight you shake your head. Often scuffed at the if he was English he'd get a move but if Knight was English he'd have moved on already. Even if his best season for Derby was his first season.
Similar with Nathan Collins who only had Burnley come in for him even though Fletcher was telling United 12 months before it this kid is gonna be top class get him.
Snapshot
28/08/2022, 10:58 AM
This often touted suggestion of bias against Irish players is nonsense. It's just another variant of green-tint syndrome. If clubs believe there's talent there and are satisfied on character, ambition and dedication they'll do business - whether it's for instant impact or future sell-on. I don't accept for a second Nathan Collins was bypassed or whatever because he's Irish.
elatedscum
28/08/2022, 11:17 AM
This often touted suggestion of bias against Irish players is nonsense. It's just another variant of green-tint syndrome. If clubs believe there's talent there and are satisfied on character, ambition and dedication they'll do business - whether it's for instant impact or future sell-on. I don't accept for a second Nathan Collins was bypassed or whatever because he's Irish.
But do you think that certain English players get bought because they’re English? Like would Antony Gordon be going to Chelsea if he wasn’t English? So if a pro-English bias exists, it’s easy to infer an anti irish bias when you compare, for example Flynn Downes and Jason Knight (I haven’t seen much of Flynn at all but just it was the example given above).
pineapple stu
28/08/2022, 11:30 AM
I think a pro-English bias and an anti-Irish bias are hugely different things though.
English fans of English clubs want to see English players, so they can be over-valued.
There's no corresponding bias against Irish players though (maybe except McClean...)
third policeman
28/08/2022, 11:56 AM
Nice read. I agree with much of what you say about his ability, character, attitude and loyalty. But not all. Unless there are circumstances of which I'm unaware, EPL and potential EPL clubs seem underwhelmed by what he has to offer despite the relatively low fee to sign him. It was something similar with Josh Cullen. Yes, there is crazy money being thrown about - but it would be nudging naivety to believe there are no shrewd talent spotters still out there. If he's good enough, surely he'll be picked up.
But Cullen turned out to be good enough and it required a shrewd Belgium-based talent spotter to notice how good he was. Talent does get missed, and I'm not sure it's down to bias, but we're more likely to focus on and see the potential in a small number of Irish players when club talent spotters are looking at a much wider field, This doesn't necessarily mean that Knight is not as good as some of us think, or that he's better than some English clubs have thus far noticed. I am inclined to think that playing for Ireland - and even playing well for Ireland - doesn't give players the profile it once did.
seanfhear
28/08/2022, 12:10 PM
Perhaps Jason could do with some shining armour.
John83
28/08/2022, 1:49 PM
Whatever about the Premiership, I'm suprised no Championship club has come in for Knight. Maybe there's interest, but clubs are biding their time to save a few million by going for him in January when Derby are under pressure to sell. I'm always cautious about young fellas breaking through; in spite of that, I'm sold on Knight. He's far too good for League 1.
said to be on the verge of signing a 2 year deal with Derby... interesting. Not a fan of it if i'm in his shoes but i am sure they are looking to get something meaningful for him in a transfer.
While he strikes me as the type that would sign a new contract I'd wait for more than just a clickbait twitter page announcing anything about it.
said to be on the verge of signing a 2 year deal with Derby... interesting. Not a fan of it if i'm in his shoes but i am sure they are looking to get something meaningful for him in a transfer.
Well he’s ****ing stupid if he does sign, his loyalty will be what damages his career most. Derby sure as hell wouldn’t show the same level of loyalty if Knights career was in as bad a position has Derby is currently.
Well they had their chance to get something meaningful and instead they priced him out of any decent move so they get exactly what they deserve if he leaves for peanuts.
Well he’s ****ing stupid if he does sign, his loyalty will be what damages his career most. Derby sure as hell wouldn’t show the same level of loyalty if Knights career was in as bad a position has Derby is currently.
Well they had their chance to get something meaningful and instead they priced him out of any decent move so they get exactly what they deserve if he leaves for peanuts.
Weren't long terminating Richard Keogh's contract when it suited them.
tetsujin1979
29/08/2022, 7:02 PM
That nearly bankrupted them.
They were always heading in that direction and saw it mentioned at the time they sacked him when they did to get his wages off the books and knew they'd always have settle things with him in time. Mel Morris probably hoped the club would be sold by then and someone else's issue.
Diggs246
30/08/2022, 1:19 PM
That nearly bankrupted them.
All three players should have been sacked
Keeping the younger more valuable guys was why they had to pony up to keogh.
If they sack the three of them there is no case. They could have killed a child and themselves
They still might have had to pay Keogh. Tribunal said he hadn't committed gross misconduct or brought the club in to serious disrupt. Only being the passenger might have likely still worked in his favor even though all three should have been sacked and the other two jailed imo.
liamoo11
30/08/2022, 5:41 PM
All three players should have been sacked
Keeping the younger more valuable guys was why they had to pony up to keogh.
If they sack the three of them there is no case. They could have killed a child and themselves
Keogh did nothing wrong. The lad driving the car was the one at fault. You can't get sacked for been drunk especially when you got drunk at a club event. Total victim blaming saying Keogh had any responsibility
One player we aught to tip our hat to, willing to sacrifice his whole career and play in L1 just to keep loyal to the tinpot club that is Derby County.
Can already see the detrimental effective it?s having on him in a green shirt.
John83
30/09/2022, 10:24 AM
Signing that contract feels premature. It's very concerning to hear he's being played at right back too.
Diggs246
30/09/2022, 10:26 AM
Signing that contract feels premature. It's very concerning to hear he's being played at right back too.
If he did indeed turn down a chance to go to Leeds then he is a silly boy.
Not sure how real that rumour was
John83
30/09/2022, 10:29 AM
Whether he did or not, he'd have been a free agent in the summer. Free is good sauce. I can only explain this if he's not remotely as good as I think, and I'm not in the contingent surprised he didn't get a Premiership move this summer just gone.
seanfhear
30/09/2022, 10:37 AM
Signing that contract feels premature. It's very concerning to hear he's being played at right back too.
It didn’t hurt Philipp Lahm.
John83
30/09/2022, 11:11 AM
It didn’t hurt Philipp Lahm.
He wasn't shackled to a league 1 club.
Whether he did or not, he'd have been a free agent in the summer. Free is good sauce. I can only explain this if he's not remotely as good as I think, and I'm not in the contingent surprised he didn't get a Premiership move this summer just gone.
Unless he signed a contract between his first professional contract and his current contract back in Jan 2020 he'd have been out of contract at the end of that season which was his debut season.
If he did indeed turn down a chance to go to Leeds then he is a silly boy.
Not sure how real that rumour was
I'd say if Leeds had any interest in Knight it's likely Derby wanted an arm and a leg for him to leave rather than Knight rejected Leeds.
Suggested they were looking at ?8m for Knight if they had to sell him back in Jan when there was talk the club might struggle to see the season out. Could only imagine what they'd have wanted for him after his debut season, which was his best performing season with six goals and three years left on his contract.
Exgrad
30/09/2022, 1:58 PM
did he sign a new contract, i cant find anthing saying he did? Hopefully stays that way. He'll be a free agent in June next. Hopefully the change of manager at Derby sees him back in midfield.
Warne played 3-5-2 at Rotherham so chances are Knight plays RWB rather than RB.
irishfan86
30/09/2022, 4:42 PM
I see nothing to indicate Knight has signed a new contract. I suspect Derby didn?t like what was on offer in the summer and will sell in January when teams can be a bit more desperate given the shorter window.
He hasn't and the only thing linking him to was a clickbait twitter page. Derby will likely throw a contract his way because they have to but hopefully they try sell him in January to avoid missing out on decent compensation if there's interest abroad.
Thankfully Warne has moved Knight back into midfield. With a bit of luck a move happens in January.
Warne confirms that Derby have an option to extend Jason Knights contract so likely won't be leaving Derby this month.
And of course Knight is too sound a lad to prioritize his own career over his club so ofcourse he’ll stay put and his performances for Ireland will continue to deteriorate as a result.
On the scoresheet today as Derby beat Barnsley 3-0 in the cup. Looks to have played in a more advanced midfield role behind the striker judging by a few apps I looked at.
Demesne Lad
25/01/2023, 3:10 PM
"Derby County boss Paul Warne says Jason Knight is the player he would choose to be reincarnated as after the midfielder helped the Rams overcome Port Vale.....'.Knighty, for me, is my favoured 10 because he gives you so much in and out of possession........."
It's his effort, what he tries to do for the team, how hard he works and how determined he is to win. Sometimes games come down to determination and effort and tonight we probably edged it and got the win I thought we deserved. Even at the end he is winning the ball, taking it into the corner. It feels more like my team when he is in it, that's the truth.' " (BBC Football)
Razors left peg
25/01/2023, 4:46 PM
"Derby County boss Paul Warne says Jason Knight is the player he would choose to be reincarnated as after the midfielder helped the Rams overcome Port Vale.....'.Knighty, for me, is my favoured 10 because he gives you so much in and out of possession........."
It's his effort, what he tries to do for the team, how hard he works and how determined he is to win. Sometimes games come down to determination and effort and tonight we probably edged it and got the win I thought we deserved. Even at the end he is winning the ball, taking it into the corner. It feels more like my team when he is in it, that's the truth.' " (BBC Football)
Why was he playing him at right back for portion of the season
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