Jason Knight (M Bristol City b.2001)

[tommy_c12000]

Linked with W Bremen which would be a great move, hopefully it comes to fruition

[pineapple stu]

that’s why for Knights development the best thing possible is to sign for a PL team if the offer is there
Your bit in bold is fairly key don't you think?

Is the offer there?

[seanfhear]

Linked with W Bremen which would be a great move, hopefully it comes to fruition
Any links or at least some information about where the information / rumour is coming from ?

[pineapple stu]

Couple of links online, including this on Pundit Arena (https://punditarena.com/football/rudi-kinsella/jason-knight-werder-bremen-bundesliga-switch/), though I don't think it's clear where the original rumour is coming from.

[sadloserkid]

Somebody sent me a screenshot from something called Éire Guide on Facebook with the Knight/Bremen story. No idea how credible they are.

Ciaran Kelly should have held out for a Premier League move too instead of going to Rotheram that time... training with better players would probably have him on the edge of a move to Man City now.

[seanfhear]

If Jason Knight bought a Premiership club ~ He could buy himself for that club.

[seanfhear]

Couple of links online, including this on Pundit Arena (https://punditarena.com/football/rudi-kinsella/jason-knight-werder-bremen-bundesliga-switch/), though I don't think it's clear where the original rumour is coming from.Thanks for posting. You ‘d have to question an article that said Derby would be looking for a huge fee, and then a few sentences later saying Jason Knight has only one year left on his contract ! ! !

[tetsujin1979]

Somebody sent me a screenshot from something called Éire Guide on Facebook with the Knight/Bremen story. No idea how credible they are.

Ciaran Kelly should have held out for a Premier League move too instead of going to Rotheram that time... training with better players would probably have him on the edge of a move to Man City now.
Eire Guide are clickbait merchants, and they're bad ones too.

[pineapple stu]

Thanks for posting. You ‘d have to question an article that said Derby would be looking for a huge fee, and then a few sentences later saying Jason Knight has only one year left on his contract ! ! !
Yeah, it's silly season for clickbait transfer articles alright. Could be an agent floating an idea or a site looking for clicks. Best to ignore most of it unless it starts firming up or comes from one of the more reliable sources.

[Eirambler]

The Jason Knight story is from Alan Nixon in the UK Sun newspaper.

[tommy_c12000]

Yep exactly Nixon, reasonably credible but still the sun. Bremen also linked to a sheff United player (apparently bid submitted) and already have bought (is signed for free…) Buchanan from derby already. So they’re certainly in the English market and have to know of Knight

[Jd2793]

He’s had 2 full seasons as a starter at Championship level, what will he learn doing the same thing for a 2nd season? Ummm there is a huge advantage, he trains against better players every day, constantly being challenged meaning he’ll pushed to improve, plays against better players at the weekend, play in squad with greater depth meaning he won’t be totally flogged by the end of the season. If he was English he would without question be pushing for a PL move because he knows it’s what he needs to take his game to the next level but we in Ireland have a culture of conservatism and taking the safe bet which usually doesn’t work yet we still do it.

You’re argument about not goi g to the premier league is the mentality of a player that will go nowhere, hopefully Knight had abit more ambition with his career.


playing for a top 6 championship team will be a lot different to slugging it out with derby. hes still young minutes are important for him. i cant imagine him getting many minutes on the pitch if he moved to PL. doesnt stand out that much to say he'd be able for it right now.

[SkStu]

playing for a top 6 championship team will be a lot different to slugging it out with derby. hes still young minutes are important for him. i cant imagine him getting many minutes on the pitch if he moved to PL. doesnt stand out that much to say he'd be able for it right now.

Minutes are important for him but not so much for Kelleher?

[CSAD]

playing for a top 6 championship team will be a lot different to slugging it out with derby. hes still young minutes are important for him. i cant imagine him getting many minutes on the pitch if he moved to PL. doesnt stand out that much to say he'd be able for it right now.

It won’t be a lot different, as he’s playing against the same teams every week and training with players who won’t be that much better a standard. He’s got enough minutes, it’s time for our players stop being so Irish and actually challenge themselves for a change. That’s the point, you are judging him off of playing for a struggling Derby side at the end of a long season when he’s been flogged, it’s a different story when he plays for a premiership team that will have more resources and won’t need to flog him. This is the point that’s lost on people on here, he needs to fight for his position on the weekend, that is what’s the making of a future top player, if that’s his aim and that’s what we want him to be he should go the the premiership and fight for his position on the weekend, that’s what will lead to him being a better player, not wasting another season slogging it out in the championship with a sideways move.

He doesn’t stand out much because he was playing in a mess of a derby team, I still don’t get how that is lost on people…

[pineapple stu]

It wasn't that much of a mess of a Derby team - on the pitch they were lower mid-table (17th) and it was the points deduction that got them relegated.

Burnley would be an interesting move cos it's not really clear yet if they'll be challenging at the top (as relegated teams often are). If they are, and if they get promoted, then it could be a good move. But if the finances are as bad as it seems they might be, then they could end up in mid-table or even getting a second relegation and that's a different matter.

I'm not yet sure who the Premier Division teams you think Knight could sign for are though.

[CraftyToePoke]

It won’t be a lot different, as he’s playing against the same teams every week and training with players who won’t be that much better a standard. He’s got enough minutes, it’s time for our players stop being so Irish and actually challenge themselves for a change. That’s the point, you are judging him off of playing for a struggling Derby side at the end of a long season when he’s been flogged, it’s a different story when he plays for a premiership team that will have more resources and won’t need to flog him. This is the point that’s lost on people on here, he needs to fight for his position on the weekend, that is what’s the making of a future top player, if that’s his aim and that’s what we want him to be he should go the the premiership and fight for his position on the weekend, that’s what will lead to him being a better player, not wasting another season slogging it out in the championship with a sideways move.

He doesn’t stand out much because he was playing in a mess of a derby team, I still don’t get how that is lost on people…

I think playing for a side expected & setting up to win most weeks is more different from playing in a side aiming not to lose / survive in a division than you suggest. Better sides have the football more, for a start & that does alter things, believe it or not. You then go on to say Derby was a mess of a team, so umm, which is it ?

Would you equate lining out for Harps each week with lining out for Rovers ?

And these top table moves he's being accused of turning his nose up at, which ones are they ? Do they actually exist ? Is he supposed to somehow make a club in that division buy him if none exist & how ? Before you start piling in on him for not choosing non existing options, maybe some consideration of that.

[CSAD]

I think playing for a side expected & setting up to win most weeks is more different from playing in a side aiming not to lose / survive in a division than you suggest. Better sides have the football more, for a start & that does alter things, believe it or not. You then go on to say Derby was a mess of a team, so umm, which is it ?

Would you equate lining out for Harps each week with lining out for Rovers ?

And these top table moves he's being accused of turning his nose up at, which ones are they ? Do they actually exist ? Is he supposed to somehow make a club in that division buy him if none exist & how ? Before you start piling in on him for not choosing non existing options, maybe some consideration of that.

You looking far too much into what is one minor difference, the fact of the matter is his situation won’t be much better at a new championship club as like at Derby he will be training with and playing against championship players every day & every week, if Knight wants to progress to the next level he should be backing himself to step up to the next level, if knight just wants to be another Jeff Hendrick and be a bang average premiership player or top half championship player at best then he should move to a championship club

I’m still in disbelief how anyone here thinks moving to another championship club is a good move.

[CSAD]

It wasn't that much of a mess of a Derby team - on the pitch they were lower mid-table (17th) and it was the points deduction that got them relegated.

Burnley would be an interesting move cos it's not really clear yet if they'll be challenging at the top (as relegated teams often are). If they are, and if they get promoted, then it could be a good move. But if the finances are as bad as it seems they might be, then they could end up in mid-table or even getting a second relegation and that's a different matter.

I'm not yet sure who the Premier Division teams you think Knight could sign for are though.

Simple question, where did Derby finish?

But simple question, what if they aren’t? What if this supposedly great move ends up being a complete sideways move and he’s in no better a position than he was the last 2 years? He’ll have made no progress and will show up just how stupid a move it was.

He’s been linked to Wolves and Leeds recently, if he moves there the worst that happens is he’s a bench option but atleast then he’s in a new challenging environment that will ask questions of him and it will help build character, and of course it could work out and then it looks like a genius move.

Either way I can’t see the argument as to how a move to another championship team is a good decision, the reasons given just reek of the typical Irish mentality, safety first and run away from any challenge, If Knight wants to be a top player he needs to back himself to make it in the PL even if it means sitting on a bench every now and then.

[pineapple stu]

Simple question, where did Derby finish?
Do you think the 21 points deduction was Knight's fault? Derby weren't a mess on the pitch, so to liken Knight at Derby to, say, Connell at Bolton makes no sense.

"He's been linked to..." isn't worth the paper it was written on in transfer season. To suggest that no PL side came in with an offer is "the typical Irish mentality, safety first and run away from any challenge" is nonsense. If anything, I'd suggest you're suffering from a common foot.ie habit of over-estimating our own players just because of where they're from.

It'd be great to see him jump to the Premier League for sure, but I think you're trying to magic up a move that doesn't exist.

[Diggs246]

Do you think the 21 points deduction was Knight's fault? Derby weren't a mess on the pitch, so to liken Knight at Derby to, say, Connell at Bolton makes no sense.

"He's been linked to..." isn't worth the paper it was written on in transfer season. To suggest that no PL side came in with an offer is "the typical Irish mentality, safety first and run away from any challenge" is nonsense. If anything, I'd suggest you're suffering from a common foot.ie habit of over-estimating our own players just because of where they're from.

It'd be great to see him jump to the Premier League for sure, but I think you're trying to magic up a move that doesn't exist.


I think he probably will get a premier league move
If, as reported Derby are looking for relatively serious lolly, then that actually rules Burnley out? ( who are broke out)
He is 21, he's an established international
Championship club captain and his attitude by all reports in beyond excellent.
Fulham? Leeds?

[tetsujin1979]

they might not get serious cash for him, the vast majority of moves in England so far this summer have been free transfers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_football_transfers_summer_2022

[Diggs246]

they might not get serious cash for him, the vast majority of moves in England so far this summer have been free transfers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_football_transfers_summer_2022

But they would accept the extra cash a premier league team is in a position to offer, even if that premier team is getting a good deal

He isn't staying in League one. he is too good for the league and Derby have bought players in for midfield cover

[tetsujin1979]

I'm not arguing his talent, he's clearly too good for League One, just pointing out that most transfers this summer have not involved fees, so there's not that much money going around.
Also, it's rare that a player relegated from the Championship gets a transfer to a Premier League club.
If I had to guess where he will be playing before the transfer window closes at the end of August, one of the teams that finished in or around the play offs last season, Middlesbrough, Luton, QPR, etc, or one of the relegated sides looking to bounce straight back up to the Premier League. If I had to pick a Premier League side, maybe Leeds, with the cash from the Philips transfer to Man City.

[Jd2793]

leeds bought aransonn though so id be surprised if they came in for knight.

[dr_peepee]

It’s like the Chris McCann and Owen Garvan threads had a baby…..

[Diggs246]

How much is his value with a year left on his contract 2m or 3m?

[Trequartista20]

Due to being in the final year of his contract, I'd expect Knight to move this summer - probably to a championship club. But it's not beyond the realms of possibility that he stays to see out his contract at Derby, who are recruiting well and are amongst the favourites for promotion.

Realistically, I don't see many PL clubs coming in for a player like Jason Knight. Maybe Leeds, who do sign players from lesser leagues, or Southampton, but I find this unlikely.

A move to one of the relegated PL sides, like Burnley, seems to be his most likely destination, which would be fine by me.

Burnley are amongst the favourites for promotion, have made some good signings - with Josh Cullen reportedly close to joining - and, importantly, can afford the fee that's been mooted, in a way that perhaps the likes of Luton might not.

Whilst unexciting, I think most grounded, sensible Ireland supporters would view this kind of move as a decent and progressive choice for Knight.

[CSAD]

Do you think the 21 points deduction was Knight's fault? Derby weren't a mess on the pitch, so to liken Knight at Derby to, say, Connell at Bolton makes no sense.

"He's been linked to..." isn't worth the paper it was written on in transfer season. To suggest that no PL side came in with an offer is "the typical Irish mentality, safety first and run away from any challenge" is nonsense. If anything, I'd suggest you're suffering from a common foot.ie habit of over-estimating our own players just because of where they're from.

It'd be great to see him jump to the Premier League for sure, but I think you're trying to magic up a move that doesn't exist.

So you don’t think a team with a 21 points deduction is a team in a mess? Surely that’s case and point?

Wait so we are jumping in the Burnley rumours but discarding all the Premiership rumours? There’s been about as much of a link to the premiership if not more than the championship.

[CSAD]

I'm not arguing his talent, he's clearly too good for League One, just pointing out that most transfers this summer have not involved fees, so there's not that much money going around.
Also, it's rare that a player relegated from the Championship gets a transfer to a Premier League club.
If I had to guess where he will be playing before the transfer window closes at the end of August, one of the teams that finished in or around the play offs last season, Middlesbrough, Luton, QPR, etc, or one of the relegated sides looking to bounce straight back up to the Premier League. If I had to pick a Premier League side, maybe Leeds, with the cash from the Philips transfer to Man City.

Well there’s no such thing a window without lots of money spent so it would be best to wait for now.

It’s rare for a team to be in as big a mess as Derby were in so it’s an exception to the rule.

If Knight moves to the championship it will be a last minute desperate move if knights desperately trying to escape L1.

[CSAD]

leeds bought aransonn though so id be surprised if they came in for knight.


Teams can sign more than one player in a transfer window so it’s possible.

[CSAD]

Due to being in the final year of his contract, I'd expect Knight to move this summer - probably to a championship club. But it's not beyond the realms of possibility that he stays to see out his contract at Derby, who are recruiting well and are amongst the favourites for promotion.

Realistically, I don't see many PL clubs coming in for a player like Jason Knight. Maybe Leeds, who do sign players from lesser leagues, or Southampton, but I find this unlikely.

A move to one of the relegated PL sides, like Burnley, seems to be his most likely destination, which would be fine by me.

Burnley are amongst the favourites for promotion, have made some good signings - with Josh Cullen reportedly close to joining - and, importantly, can afford the fee that's been mooted, in a way that perhaps the likes of Luton might not.

Whilst unexciting, I think most grounded, sensible Ireland supporters would view this kind of move as a decent and progressive choice for Knight.

No it’s the most safe move which is what Irish players that usually never fulfill their potential make, hopefully Knight has more ambition for his career than many on here have for him.
It’s in no way progressive, gone from playing 100 games for a championship team to playing for another championship team.

[Jd2793]

Teams can sign more than one player in a transfer window so it’s possible.

very interesting i didnt know that. knight wont see enough minutes on the pitch with leeds current signings, hope this helps.

[Jd2793]

No it’s the most safe move which is what Irish players that usually never fulfill their potential make, hopefully Knight has more ambition for his career than many on here have for him.
It’s in no way progressive, gone from playing 100 games for a championship team to playing for another championship team.

players will go where they'll either get the best deal or where they'll play. knight has plenty of hime to make money, playing 3000+ mins again this season should be his goal. whether that be at a promotion chasing championship side or at a newly promoted bundesliga side. its clearly been drilled home to them on international duty that they need to get minutes and its easy to see why.

[CSAD]

very interesting i didnt know that. knight wont see enough minutes on the pitch with leeds current signings, hope this helps.

And this is based on? Have you watched Aaronson regularly or their other midfielders regularly. You know what’s great about that? It gives Knight competition which will lead to him needing to up his game which is just what Ireland and his new club will want from him.

[CSAD]

players will go where they'll either get the best deal or where they'll play. knight has plenty of hime to make money, playing 3000+ mins again this season should be his goal. whether that be at a promotion chasing championship side or at a newly promoted bundesliga side. its clearly been drilled home to them on international duty that they need to get minutes and its easy to see why.

The odds are he’ll get a better deal at a premiership club and he’ll be given a chance to impress at the majority of clubs he’s been linked to.

So his goal should be do what he did last season? That isn’t stepping up to the next level that’s just stagnating, which is what most of our players who don’t fulfill their potential do before going downhill.

His aim needs to be to take the next step in his career and that is go from championship to a top 5 league weather that be the Bundesliga or PL and fight for his position on the weekend, if you can’t fight you won’t know what you’re truly capable of and will eventually start going backwards.

You need minutes but that doesn’t mean deliberately pick a lesser club just because you’re odds of playing are higher, someone like Kilkenny has made the smart move as he’ll
play now, whereas you then get someone like Hourihane who should be cut now for taking the safe option. Someone like Knight should be backing himself to taking the next step in his career which is a top 5 league.

[Jd2793]

The odds are he’ll get a better deal at a premiership club and he’ll be given a chance to impress at the majority of clubs he’s been linked to.

So his goal should be do what he did last season? That isn’t stepping up to the next level that’s just stagnating, which is what most of our players who don’t fulfill their potential do before going downhill.

His aim needs to be to take the next step in his career and that is go from championship to a top 5 league weather that be the Bundesliga or PL and fight for his position on the weekend, if you can’t fight you won’t know what you’re truly capable of and will eventually start going backwards.

You need minutes but that doesn’t mean deliberately pick a lesser club just because you’re odds of playing are higher, someone like Kilkenny has made the smart move as he’ll
play now, whereas you then get someone like Hourihane who should be cut now for taking the safe option. Someone like Knight should be backing himself to taking the next step in his career which is a top 5 league.


hes not stagnating or choosing a safe move by signing with any of the top.6 championship clubs. its an absurd thing to say.
Hourihane has finally dropped to his level, knight will be playing to his current level by going to a top champ side.

[pineapple stu]

So you don’t think a team with a 21 points deduction is a team in a mess? Surely that’s case and point?
Nope, Derby as a corporate entity are in a mess. The team did enough to stay up on the pitch - albeit only by 8 points or so - and clearly aren't what you'd call a team in a mess. The Bolton team that Luca Connell played in were a team in a mess; they even scratched a game towards the end.

Your original point was that "he didn't stand out much because he was in a mess of a Derby team" - there's nothing to back that up.

The links to Burnley are a lot stronger than the links to Premier League side at the moment - albeit that for the moment they do remain rumours in silly season.

[CSAD]

hes not stagnating or choosing a safe move by signing with any of the top.6 championship clubs. its an absurd thing to say.
Hourihane has finally dropped to his level, knight will be playing to his current level by going to a top champ side.

He is stagnating, he’s playing against the same teams and training with the same type of players albeit maybe if a slightly higher quality, it’s not a new challenge it’s just a typical safe move, I’ve seen this movie many times and know how this usually ends which is why I would like Knight to change the script and actually challenge himself.

We don’t know what his current level is because he was playing in a mess of a Derby side, anyone that is actually trying to gauge anything from him based on the end of his season with them really doesn’t have a clue about football. Irish players have a history of making bad career decisions, hopefully Knight doesn’t join the list by signing for a championship club.

[CSAD]

Nope, Derby as a corporate entity are in a mess. The team did enough to stay up on the pitch - albeit only by 8 points or so - and clearly aren't what you'd call a team in a mess. The Bolton team that Luca Connell played in were a team in a mess; they even scratched a game towards the end.

Your original point was that "he didn't stand out much because he was in a mess of a Derby team" - there's nothing to back that up.

The links to Burnley are a lot stronger than the links to Premier League side at the moment - albeit that for the moment they do remain rumours in silly season.

They were deducted 21 points, they were a mess and claiming otherwise is being delusional.

There is plenty, they finished bottom and we’re in administration, they were in such a mess that Rooney had to join in training in pre season due to lack of players…

The links aren’t stronger, you are just choosing to believe those links as it’s a preferable move in you’re eyes, just like you choose to believe that Derby weren’t a mess.

[Razors left peg]

Reading Twitter yesterday when these links started floating around Derby fans seemed to think they would want "Big Money" to sell him... but that Big money was about 5 Million!

I said a couple of pages back that I'd like to see him linked with clubs outside of England so this rumor excites me massively. I think his energy and technical ability would be perfect for the Bundesliga so I'm keeping the fingers crossed that its a real link

[sadloserkid]

We don’t know what his current level is because he was playing in a mess of a Derby side

So why would a Premier League club take a punt on him then? Your certainty here is bewildering. The top half could take or leave him and the bottom half probably want a player whose current level is known.

Do you think Gavin Bazunu and Troy Parrot are a couple of morons for training with League 1 players by the way?

It's marginal where Knight could end up. He might have another relegation scrap with a terrible Premier League team or a promotion push in the Championship. You're seemingly willing to write off his career if he signed for Hudderfield instead of Nottingham Forest though. I find that baffling.

[pineapple stu]

They were deducted 21 points, they were a mess and claiming otherwise is being delusional.
Yeah, you're not even trying to engage in a debate now, so I'll leave you be.

Knight is obviously daft for turning down a move that there's no evidence exists. Or something

[ontheotherhand]

Are you all talking about two different Jason Knights by any chance?

If he gets a good offer of game time with Leeds or similar it would be great but there's absolutely nothing wrong with him moving back up into the Championship, particularly if it's to a team who will be winning games. He's had enough time scrapping for points in the wrong half of the table. I'd like to see him have a breakout season in a team who is scoring goals and challenging. That'd be more use to him at this point than struggling for a place in an EPL team battling the drop. And if he got relegated again it wouldn't be great for the lad.

Not sure why a PL team would guarantee him a spot though unfortunately and not sure he's ready to earn one just yet at that level. Has promise and has proven he can slug it out in the Championship. Has played well enough, sometimes very well, for Ireland without setting the world alight and we aren't great.

[pineapple stu]

Most of us are talking about that Jason Knight alright

[tommy_c12000]

He had a great game today by all accounts, MOTM for many of their forum posters. Giving it all despite playing RB and stuck in league 1, he has such a terrific attitude. With his contract expiring June 2023, I’ll be very surprised if he doesn’t secure a move away by sept 1 (day of transfer window closing). I can’t see derby being able to put an attractive enough package to get him to sign an extension, and if that becomes clear, it would be sensible for derby to pick up a few million for him rather than let him go for free next year. They should have enough firepower to get back to the championship in any case

[JR89]

Birmingham linked with him this morning and Eustace is the new manager there. If they're the only team showing interest he'd be better off playing League One for the season and walking on a free. Probably be his best option in general and Derby will still get a few quid in compensation.

Over a 100 league appearances and could have 20 caps for his country by the time his contract expires so they'd get decent enough compensation unless he moves abroad.

[paul_oshea]

Not saying much for what he's thought of in England if he is still in league one end of the transfer window

I mean we all saw how great Collins has been and then he gets a move. The need to objectively asses our players is still lacking. When the subjective becomes the objective then we know how good a player really is.

[Eirambler]

The main difference is that Collins stood out for club and country. Knight has only stood out for his country because he has been played on a different role for his club that limits his attacking contribution (and now they're playing him at right back).

Also a good centre back will always be in demand moreso than a good centre midfielder, because there aren't as many of them about.

[ontheotherhand]

It helps that Collins is also a far better player.

I'm not even sure Knight has done enough for Ireland to warrant a big move and he hasn't nailed down a midfield spot at Derby so that says something.

He needs a move but I think it's less about level and more about position. If Derby are going to make him a utility player then he should go somewhere else.

[irishfan86]

I think Knight has potential and I like him but it’s never been obvious to me that he’s exceptional. It’s an extreme contrast to Collins who I believe will be a Champions League level player within three years.