Potential Dundalk Manager

[oriel]

If this is suggesting loan deals, then the same current rules would apply, no short term deal would be permitted by the FAI and only players arriving in the transfer window could move to an Irish club, similar to say what Waterford have been doing recently.

This would mean a player having to be properly registered for a period from start of our season up to end of 30th June I think, or from after this period to the end of our season.

Technically a player in this instance could transfer from Bournemouth to Dundalk in January, but they would need to stay until 30 June, or until end of the season, if it was the latter, they would probably be ruled out of playing in UK until 1st Jan of the following year.

[Scrufil]

I get what you are saying Oriel however, the player out on loan would still be owned by Bournemouth and they could sell that player to a foreign club without the player ever having to rejoin Bournemouth. Is this correct?

I don't know how the wages aspect of this would work but it would be interesting to investigate if the two 'Red Bull' teams ever worked a deal like this.

[oriel]

They probably could sell on the player as he would still be on loan, but I`d imagine any moving over would still have to stick to the loan periods of full season, or to 1st July or whatever it is, and / or end season if they arrived in the summer.

Cant imagine any issue if they were to be sold during their loan period as they would still be a Bournemouth player in this instance.

[RathfarnhamHoop]

Dundalks athletic therapist has left the club. Think the decision was made a while ago just announced now so you'd think a replacement is lined up

[White Horse]

Dundalks athletic therapist has left the club. Think the decision was made a while ago just announced now so you'd think a replacement is lined up

David Murphy, who has worked at Reading and Colchester, has been brought in by Dundalk to work alongside Danny Miller in the physio department following Sam Rice's departure.

[Ezeikial]

Typical Vinny Perth style of saying it as he sees it


Dundalk boss Vinny Perth 'disappointed' that he wasn't part of Stephen Kenny's Ireland plans


https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/dundalk-boss-vinny-perth-disappointed-that-he-wasnt-part-of-stephen-kennys-ireland-plans-37940407.html

Off The Ball
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dG7XEMtxcA&feature=youtu.be

[placid casual]

I happened to catch a few minutes of the interview on offtheball, and one word summed the interview up for me.
Delusional.
I've no doubt that Dundalk will win the league, as they have bought their success with a number of top quality players, but Perth will not be the decisive factor, in my opinion.
If anything it will be success despite him.
Thats just my honest opinion, I'm not trying to wind up anyone or wum(?)

[marinobohs]

I happened to catch a few minutes of the interview on offtheball, and one word summed the interview up for me.
Delusional.
I've no doubt that Dundalk will win the league, as they have bought their success with a number of top quality players, but Perth will not be the decisive factor, in my opinion.
If anything it will be success despite him.
Thats just my honest opinion, I'm not trying to wind up anyone or wum(?)

In the event Dundalk don't win the League, Perth will, without doubt, get a huge amount of blame (undoing all Sk's good work etc. etc.) so its a bit much to deny him any credit if they do win it. I don't believe any success is solely down to him, far from it, but to suggest they would win it despite him is ludicrous.

I can only imagine the reaction of some on here if someone (hello Ez :D) suggested any shams success was despite Bradser's 'inspired' coaching not because of it.As for 'buying success' (Hello Mr kettle....)

[Calcio Jack]

In the event Dundalk don't win the League, Perth will, without doubt, get a huge amount of blame (undoing all Sk's good work etc. etc.) so its a bit much to deny him any credit if they do win it. I don't believe any success is solely down to him, far from it, but to suggest they would win it despite him is ludicrous.

I can only imagine the reaction of some on here if someone (hello Ez :D) suggested any shams success was despite Bradser's 'inspired' coaching not because of it.As for 'buying success' (Hello Mr kettle....)

I can only imagine the reaction of one on here if Bradley made the sort of comments that Perth gave in that interview..... I’d being curious as to why Gill was the spokesperson wheeled out on Soccer Republic ..... now I understand

[sbgawa]

Perth's really does love himself :)

"What Stephen Kenny brought to me helped me to be a brilliant coach".

"When there was talk of Stephen getting the Ireland Managers job, i dreamed of being the next " LOL from a guy not even qualified to be the Manager of Dundalk without Gill stepping in.

If Stephen Kenny decided he didn't want VP on his backroom team i don't think he shared VP's opinion of himself, the excuse about the cost of buying him out of his contract is a fig leaf, buttons by FAI standards and given the pressure they were under at the time to get Kenny to accept the role they would have paid it if asked.
Considering how long Peak 6 spent looking for options i think they agreed with Kenny

[ToberonaTornado]

I can only imagine the reaction of one on here if Bradley made the sort of comments that Perth gave in that interview..... I’d being curious as to why Gill was the spokesperson wheeled out on Soccer Republic ..... now I understand

What do you imagine it would be.
Quote the main points.

[placid casual]

I'll just make one last comment on this discussion about perth.
He said words to the effect of "without me Stephen Kenny would not have been successful".
Fair balls to the guy for having confidence in himself and all , but what he knows about club management you could fit on a seagull's shirt button.

I'll reiterate, so the dundalk kacks get all in a tangle, dundalk have a great squad and are primed for success, but this guys bull$hit needs to be called out for what it is

[Mr A]

That's.. that's quite a read. Always good to see a guy being completely honest, even if he would have been better advised to keep a lot of that to himself.

[Yossarian]

If Stephen Kenny decided he didn't want VP on his backroom team i don't think he shared VP's opinion of himself, the excuse about the cost of buying him out of his contract is a fig leaf, buttons by FAI standards and given the pressure they were under at the time to get Kenny to accept the role they would have paid it if asked.

The FAI wouldn’t even pay Dundalk what was due for Kenny breaking his contract so it’s seens very plausible to me that they wouldn’t pay for his assistant. Considering all Kenny’s coaches in the u21s were either employed by the FAI already or not coaching then it’s seems a valid point.

[swinfordfc]

Typical Vinny Perth style of saying it as he sees it




https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/dundalk-boss-vinny-perth-disappointed-that-he-wasnt-part-of-stephen-kennys-ireland-plans-37940407.html

Off The Ball
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dG7XEMtxcA&feature=youtu.be

OMG! ... Who does this guy think he is?

[CityBoy]

Vinny Perth: Definitely not bitter.

[marinobohs]

That's.. that's quite a read. Always good to see a guy being completely honest, even if he would have been better advised to keep a lot of that to himself.

Certainly, emm, 'confident' in his own ability :D for someone taking on such a mammoth task (Dundalk FC) it probably would have been smarter to keep his powder dry until he had achieved something in his own right. Deserved the chance to take over at Dundalk in my opinion, but way too early to have any sort of claim on anything else.
Need to see if he can live up to those type of claims.

[Ezeikial]

I can only imagine the reaction of some on here if someone (hello Ez :D) suggested any shams success was despite Bradser's 'inspired' coaching not because of it.As for 'buying success' (Hello Mr kettle....)

That's a very far fetched hypothetical question.

[Ezeikial]

I happened to catch a few minutes of the interview on offtheball, and one word summed the interview up for me.
Delusional.
I've no doubt that Dundalk will win the league, as they have bought their success with a number of top quality players, but Perth will not be the decisive factor, in my opinion.
If anything it will be success despite him.
Thats just my honest opinion, I'm not trying to wind up anyone or wum(?)

Vinny Perth saying he will be the decisive factor in Dundalk winning the league this season!
Is that really what you took from the few minutes you heard?

It's not even decent summing on your part

[Ezeikial]

* wumming.

[SkStu]

Vinny Perth: Definitely much better.

Fixed that for you.

[placid casual]

* wumming.
It's what you do best, Zeke😉

[Ezeikial]

Perth's really does love himself :)


Vinny Perth has plenty of self-confidence and belief in his own ability with a track record at Dundalk since 2013 to justify that. Don't confuse confidence with ego. I can supply you with some examples of managers with the later if it helps you.



I'll just make one last comment on this discussion about perth.
He said words to the effect of "without me Stephen Kenny would not have been successful".

Nonsense, he said nothing even close to that.

He did say this:

"I'd never be presumptuous. I felt - and probably still feel - that we were a very good team together. I think Stephen is a brilliant manager. I certainly would say what I brought to him helped him be a brilliant manager.



OMG! ... Who does this guy think he is?

Assuming you mean Vinny Perth ....... most people would be aware that he was the Assistant Manager and Coach to the Dundalk teams that have had outstanding success from 2013 - 2018. Among the honours in that 6 years are 4 league titles, 2 FAI Cups 2 League Cups, a couple of other minor trophies along with some exceptional European performances

[sbgawa]

Cone carrier, who Kenny didn't rate, when he had the option

[Yossarian]

Cone carrier, who Kenny didn't rate, when he had the option

Must’ve carried some amount of cones. It’s funny that it was Kenny who got Perth to go full time with Dundalk and give up his job last year. But you’re right, he didn’t rate him.

[sbgawa]

Maybe what Kenny saw when he went full time was behind him ditching him.
Must have been pretty bad as unusual for a manager to dump his side kick

[dundalkfc10]

Maybe what Kenny saw when he went full time was behind him ditching him.
Must have been pretty bad as unusual for a manager to dump his side kick

You made up a quote a few posts back about Perth saying Kenny wouldn’t have been a success without him. As pointed out he said no such thing

Once I read that it’s obvs your a wum

[sbgawa]

Think you need to try Specsavers, not my post.

Don't be getting offended at me over vinnie getting ditched, it was Kenny who dumped him.

[El-Pietro]

I only read the independent article that summarised his quotes because I have little to no interest in hearing him talk about how great he is but one thing stood out for me. I may have gotten it out of context so apologies if thats the case.
He mentioned that he "would have the same ambitions" as Stephen Kenny. Great. What are you doing about that? Why didn't you apply for a Pro License in the past? Why were you happy to be a part time coach (for a successful team) if you have that ambition until relatively recently? I can have ambitions to win the lottery but if I don't buy a ticket its never gonna happen. I can have an ambition to be an astronaut but I need to be working on an engineering or science degree among other things.
I also appreciated his comments that the reasons he didn't get the job as Ireland Senior/U21 assistant manager were because of cost and his lack of a big name. If Kenny liked you enough as a coach they would have found a way to get you on the staff Vinny. Thats not to say that you can't go on and prove yourself worthy but you do not have the track record, qualifications or even ambition of Stephen Kenny who has been managing for over 20 years now and was willing to get his hands dirty with an unfancied regional team in the first division. He has moved to Derry and Scotland in order to realise that ambition and when his stock took a bit of a tumble due to bad results in Scotland and in Tallaght he took on another job with a team who didn't have a tonne of resources.
You Mr. Perth on the other hand have only worked as an assistant or a caretaker since your playing career ended 12 years ago, and you have only worked for clubs you had a playing career with and so were already familiar with. You get some credit for joining that same Longford team Kenny took over as manager at but less so because you were a player there. If you had any real ambition you'd have gone to some god awful team to get your managerial career started. Your managerial career only exists because of luck and circumstances. You took over the best team in the country with the most resources which to be fair adds pressure but also makes it much easier to succeed. You will get some credit if you win the title but not as much as if you had built a team from scratch like Kenny did several times over.

If I was gonna describe Perth based on the quotes I read (possibly out of context) in this interview in one word, that word would be delusional. Apologies for the rant, I originally only planned to write a few lines but it got away from me very quickly.

[mcgonigle]

Think you need to try Specsavers, not my post.

Don't be getting offended at me over vinnie getting ditched, it was Kenny who dumped him.

The obsessed about have become the obsessive...

[mcgonigle]

I only read the independent article that summarised his quotes because I have little to no interest in hearing him talk

But yet you write a ridiculously long post about him. Could be a great post (doubt it though) but my life isn't sad enough yet to read all that

[El-Pietro]

But yet you write a ridiculously long post about him. Could be a great post (doubt it though) but my life isn't sad enough yet to read all that
But it is sad enough to reply?

[ToberonaTornado]

But yet you write a ridiculously long post about him. Could be a great post (doubt it though) but my life isn't sad enough yet to read all that

Dude ;):D

[Ezeikial]

I only read the independent article that summarised his quotes because I have little to no interest in hearing him talk about how great he is but one thing stood out for me. I may have gotten it out of context so apologies if thats the case.
He mentioned that he "would have the same ambitions" as Stephen Kenny. Great. What are you doing about that? Why didn't you apply for a Pro License in the past? Why were you happy to be a part time coach (for a successful team) if you have that ambition until relatively recently? I can have ambitions to win the lottery but if I don't buy a ticket its never gonna happen. I can have an ambition to be an astronaut but I need to be working on an engineering or science degree among other things.

For a chap who admits he has little interest in the subject you certainly have a lot to say - and frankly much of it is ill informed.

Vinny has shown plenty of commitment and ambition - he left the security of a good career to go full-time with Dundalk in June 2018, and has combined a demanding external career with coaching since he joined Dundalk in January 2013. His success in that time has been phenomenal. The enormous time demands of combining these two meant the 18-month pro licence course was not feasible previously; as you may know he is now on the current pro course.

You have chosen to make comparisons between VP and one of the most successful managers in the league's history on the basis of VP saying "he has the same ambitions". That clearly does not make any sense - ambition is not the same as a track record of achievement. Time will tell about his ability to step up to another level.

You might hope he fails, and presumably that would colour your view.

There is a lot of faith in his abilities in Oriel Park and his say-it-as-it-is style is fast gathering him cult status with fans of the club

[pineapple stu]

I'm sure I can't be alone in suspecting that Ez's contribution here would have been very different if it was Bradley talking, not Perth.

[mcgonigle]

I'm sure I can't be alone in suspecting that Ez's contribution here would have been very different if it was Bradley talking, not Perth.

It's not the same thing though. Bradley has spent a lot of money at Rovers and achieved nothing. He has nothing to brag about. Budget up again this year, league or bust for him.

Perth has been an important part of the most successful LOI team ever. Confidence and belief is what got this team where they are. Perth as part of this setup from the beginning has that, don't misinterpret it like most have

[Calcio Jack]

It's not the same thing though. Bradley has spent a lot of money at Rovers and achieved nothing. He has nothing to brag about. Budget up again this year, league or bust for him.

Perth has been an important part of the most successful LOI team ever. Confidence and belief is what got this team where they are. Perth as part of this setup from the beginning has that, don't misinterpret it like most have

Hoo ha.....I love the smell of creeping fear in the morning

[placid casual]

You know f**k all about the Rovers budget so don't embarrass yourself further by using it as a deflection from the point made by pineapple stu.

Perth has moved from being the monkey to being the organ grinder.
We wait with baited breath to see how he handles it, particularly the European campaign, because you can be $hit-sure that is what your American owners are looking closely at.

[sbgawa]

If Kenny rated perth he would have brought him with him, hence the falling out,.
It doesn't mean he isn't a good coach Kenny may not be right after All.
Although given how reluctantly he was given the top job I'd say peak6 agree with kenny

[RathfarnhamHoop]

It's not the same thing though. Bradley has spent a lot of money at Rovers and achieved nothing. He has nothing to brag about. Budget up again this year, league or bust for him.

Perth has been an important part of the most successful LOI team ever. Confidence and belief is what got this team where they are. Perth as part of this setup from the beginning has that, don't misinterpret it like most have

I'd love to try some of whatever you're smoking

[Ezeikial]

I'm sure I can't be alone in suspecting that Ez's contribution here would have been very different if it was Bradley talking, not Perth.

For once I agree 100% with you

If Bradley was saying something like this

"What he brought to me helped me be a brilliant coach. I believe we were a very good team together.

I would be doubled up with the laughter.

[RathfarnhamHoop]

Dundalk fans aren't going to like this, one in particular, and maybe some Rovers fans won't either but I can see a lot of similarities between Perth and year one Bradley. Both coaches (note not managers) thrown in at the deep end in terms of managerial jobs, both saying stuff that when in context isn't actually too bad but when you selectively pick out quotes look really cocky and arrogant, both start with clear ideas about how they want to play but needing to learn the game and player management side of things. So there's a lot of similarities there and I don't think people can really argue that Bradley hasn't improved in his game and player management (latter probably being a strong point just now) and in giving less quotes that could be used against him, it remains to be seen how quickly and well Perth can pick those things up.
I personally prefer that coaches speak like this, much more insightful and entertaining than the cliche bingo you get once managers cop on to the stick they get from the sad *******s who bookmark quotes to bring up months later and analyse every word to see how they can manipulate it to take it out of context so they can use it as a stick to beat the managers with so the managers just become bland media trained robots.

[sbgawa]

For once I agree 100% with you

If Bradley was saying something like this

"What he brought to me helped me be a brilliant coach. I believe we were a very good team together.

I would be doubled up with the laughter.

Lol I'm doubled up with laughter at your annoyance at vinny ability being questioned.

Pity king Kenny doesn't agree with you that he is any good

[mcgonigle]

4 Rovers replies in 13 minutes, you boys are eager. Just keep telling yourselves your happy with 2nd and closing the gap, you might start believing it.

Big money being spent and no trophies to show for it.....

[sbgawa]

Lol big money, we are paupers trying to run a proper academy. 4th biggest budget :)
Sensitive about poor vinnie you boys, imagine if we went on as much as EZ .
Peak 6 won't wait long.

[pineapple stu]

It's not the same thing though. Bradley has spent a lot of money at Rovers and achieved nothing. He has nothing to brag about. Budget up again this year, league or bust for him.

Perth has been an important part of the most successful LOI team ever. Confidence and belief is what got this team where they are. Perth as part of this setup from the beginning has that, don't misinterpret it like most have

Stephen Kenny was a very successful manager long before Perth came on the scene. It's not clear at all what Perth has added to things which justify thoughts of being the senior national manager. I don't doubt that he's a decent coach, and the idea of an untried coach following his manager into the dugout is certainly far from unusual (UCD's last three managers were their predecessor's assistants).

But I stand by the suggestion that Dundalk fans' treatment of Perth's statement is very different to how they'd treat something similar from Rovers

[Ezeikial]

Stephen Kenny was a very successful manager long before Perth came on the scene. It's not clear at all what Perth has added to things which justify thoughts of being the senior national manager.



I have to hand it to you - your posts are increasingly desperate with inventing things, even if there is a touch of (unintended) humour

Where did you get the notion that VP thinks he has the track record to be the senior national manager?



But I stand by the suggestion that Dundalk fans' treatment of Perth's statement is very different to how they'd treat something similar from Rovers

.......and so you should. I have already agreed with you and I don't see anyone contradicting you.

[sbgawa]

Stu is right you twist every word that bradser ever said to a degree that bores everyone.
And vinnie did say when Kenny was being talked about as being the Ireland manager he thought of himself as being the next one...lol

[dundalkfc10]

Think you need to try Specsavers, not my post.

Don't be getting offended at me over vinnie getting ditched, it was Kenny who dumped him.

Your exact words “He said words to the effect of "without me Stephen Kenny would not have been successful".

He never said any such thing

[RathfarnhamHoop]

Your exact words “He said words to the effect of "without me Stephen Kenny would not have been successful".

He never said any such thing

Neither did sbgawa