Potential Dundalk Manager

[Ezeikial]

So have Dundalk invited applicants or are they head hunting or is there any word of the process in place?


It would appear P6 are taking their time with this, no point rushing when they know they'll prob still be able to offer decent contracts to new incoming players, plus its only Benson now from the entire first team squad that has not signed up for next season, granted a few have left like Murray, Poynton and Sava.

There is very little coming out of Oriel Park in the last few days. Even the local-based journos like James Rogers or Gavin McLaughlin seem to have little new info. It is far from clear if an appointment is imminent or not.

The initial intentions was to find a way to satisfy the pro-licence criteria while retaining Vinny Perth as Head Coach and that does not appear to have changed.

It remains to be seen if the pro-licence holder appointment will be figurative or have a full managerial role.

Benson had already been offered a contract (as was Dane Massey) and the expectations are that he will sign up again.

If only we had regular AGM's we could all be ITK

[bennocelt]

Any word on J Gill, see his name mentioned online, and he tumbled down the betting to be favourite at the moment? He worked with Perth before. is this a runner?

[Ezeikial]

Any word on J Gill, see his name mentioned online, and he tumbled down the betting to be favourite at the moment? He worked with Perth before. is this a runner?

Tweet from Monday by well informed journo James Rogers



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John Gill's odds of becoming the next Dundalk manager have gone from 66/1 yesterday to 4/1 today. I spoke to him last night and he said he has been in Fuerteventura for the past 10 days and “hadn’t heard or been in touch with anyone regarding football.”

https://twitter.com/jamesdundalk/status/1069623602851532806

[marinobohs]

Tweet from Monday by well informed journo James Rogers

https://twitter.com/jamesdundalk/status/1069623602851532806

I think Giller is fully 'badged up' so could be part of a management team to get around the qualification requirement ?

[SkStu]

As an outsider looking in, this is coming across a bit chaotic and messy. The apparent persistence of getting Perth the gig may be blinding Dundalk to other candidates who may be better appointment. I just know that if Bohs were lucky enough to be in the position that Dundalk are in, i'd probably be feeling a little disappointed with the communication to the fans and the vision for taking the club to the next level.

Now, I say all that full in the knowledge that I could be (probably am) way off the mark and I know next to F all about Perth.

[marinobohs]

As an outsider looking in, this is coming across a bit chaotic and messy. The apparent persistence of getting Perth the gig may be blinding Dundalk to other candidates who may be better appointment. I just know that if Bohs were lucky enough to be in the position that Dundalk are in, i'd probably be feeling a little disappointed with the communication to the fans and the vision for taking the club to the next level.

Now, I say all that full in the knowledge that I could be (probably am) way off the mark and I know next to F all about Perth.

Dundalk is not members owned so under no obligation to tell fans anything.No doubt when there is 'white smoke' the club will issue a press release informing fans and anyone else interested in the outcome.
Fans very rarely figure on any owners priority list and no privately owned club is going to do its business in public just so fans can feel 'communicated with', fans are simply not part of the decision making process and will be informed WHEN the decision is made.

[SkStu]

I know all that. The communications piece was a small part of what I was getting at really - although the club was initially releasing some scraps to the Dundalk papers/journos. My larger point was whether they were blinding themselves to other, potentially better, options through their apparent determination to find a management team that is headed by Perth who doesn't have his badges. I would feel (without being a Dundalk fan who knows a lot more about Perth than I do) that perhaps sights were being set a little lower than could be expected.

I am unsure where you got the impression that I was saying that the fans should be part of the decision making process...

[sbgawa]

If the decision was to give perth the job they could have announced it already (with someone else ticking the badges box) . They must be considering alternatives.
Personally I hope they appoint perth and give him a crack at it

[marinobohs]

I know all that. The communications piece was a small part of what I was getting at really - although the club was initially releasing some scraps to the Dundalk papers/journos. My larger point was whether they were blinding themselves to other, potentially better, options through their apparent determination to find a management team that is headed by Perth who doesn't have his badges. I would feel (without being a Dundalk fan who knows a lot more about Perth than I do) that perhaps sights were being set a little lower than could be expected.

I am unsure where you got the impression that I was saying that the fans should be part of the decision making process...

And my point was -we don't know if they are 'blinding themselves' to anything because they, quite rightly, are doing their business inhouse BEFORE making any public statements.Obviously nothing has yet been finalized so no reason why they would put anything in the public domain.

[Ezeikial]

Some updates form Vinny Perth tonight at Gavin McLaughlins book launch of 'Dundalk FC: Taking Back The Throne'

https://audioboom.com/posts/7110957-vinny-perth

[SkStu]

And my point was -we don't know if they are 'blinding themselves' to anything because they, quite rightly, are doing their business inhouse BEFORE making any public statements.Obviously nothing has yet been finalized so no reason why they would put anything in the public domain.

Based on what’s already in this thread, the signals being given by those in the club and/or those close to the club are that Perth is their preferred man. If that’s accurate, I wonder if there might have been someone better they could have brought in that they’ve not interviewed because they want Perth. If that’s accurate, I’d be underwhelmed if I were a Dundalk fan. Am I not allowed to speculate based on what people in this thread are saying?

[Nesta99]

Based on what’s already in this thread, the signals being given by those in the club and/or those close to the club are that Perth is their preferred man. If that’s accurate, I wonder if there might have been someone better they could have brought in that they’ve not interviewed because they want Perth. If that’s accurate, I’d be underwhelmed if I were a Dundalk fan. Am I not allowed to speculate based on what people in this thread are saying?

There is no issue with speculating at all. It's probably a bit pointless unless there is another big twist in the tale but everything is pointing to VP being the first team head coach or whatever job title he will go by and how the coaching criteria is met. I dont think it is underwhelming at all which of course is easy to say right now, if the squad doesnt perform as expected he will become an underwhelming appointment retrospectively lol. Most Dundalk fans wanted continuity, as do the board and owners it seems, if it isnt broken and all that. I'm feeling confident that the club are doing the right thing!

[ToberonaTornado]

There is no issue with speculating at all. It's probably a bit pointless unless there is another big twist in the tale but everything is pointing to VP being the first team head coach or whatever job title he will go by and how the coaching criteria is met. I dont think it is underwhelming at all which of course is easy to say right now, if the squad doesnt perform as expected he will become an underwhelming appointment retrospectively lol. Most Dundalk fans wanted continuity, as do the board and owners it seems, if it isnt broken and all that. I'm feeling confident that the club are doing the right thing!

I would be confident that Vinny P.will be the next manager/no.1/coach at the club -has the backing of a huge majority of the support at Oriel to do so.
Not that that would matter - Giller had the same backing in 2008 :D
There is a bit of Horse trading going on in the background i reckon(and he might need some help getting there),but the momentum seems to with VP atm.

[nigel-harps1954]

Reports on Twitter that Paul Clement was in Dundalk today for talks on the job.

Which is all sorts of hilarious.

[Ezeikial]

Reports on Twitter that Paul Clement was in Dundalk today for talks on the job.

Which is all sorts of hilarious.

Did the Twitter reports say if he had an appointment or did he just turn up on spec?


Gavin McLaughlin
‏@DundalkSport

If Paul Clement was in town to hold talks with Mike Treacy this morning it would want to have been an early meeting because Mike was out of here around 8am.

https://twitter.com/DundalkSport/status/1071782410944155648

[nigel-harps1954]

See the part where I said 'which is hilarious'? That's the part where you realise I was making fun of the report.

You're great at sucking the life out of anything funny or interesting on this site lately Ezeikial.

[Ezeikial]

See the part where I said 'which is hilarious'? That's the part where you realise I was making fun of the report.

You're great at sucking the life out of anything funny or interesting on this site lately Ezeikial.


See the part where I was making fun of the report too?

Maybe you took it that I was making fun of you too? Sorry if I you got upset about it, but it is a brilliant rumour

[dundalkfc10]

To be fair, you just look for rows on everything

[CorribsideSteve]

Paul Clements would be great, no? Was a coach at Real Madrid! Has had poor runs at Swansea and Reading though but that shouldn't be a qualification to dismiss his abilities for LOI level. Is it all just hot air and the reality is that V.Perth is gonna get the job?

[dundalkfc10]

It’s bull****

[dundalkfc10]

If the decision was to give perth the job they could have announced it already (with someone else ticking the badges box) . They must be considering alternatives.
Personally I hope they appoint perth and give him a crack at it

What annouce Perth is in charge along with a potential DOA/Head Coach/Manager

It will be announced when its announced.

Peak 6 know what they are at. 2 new signings expected this week too.

[sbgawa]

Actually tghey could be looking at a director football as well as a manager structure. They'll announce when they are ready I suppose. The signings will be interesting, you'd imagine they will be coming from outside Ireland as most of last year's best players are signed up already and DFC aren't going to be signing journeyman pros from Ireland.

[colonelwest]

Perth said there'll be 2 or 3 coming in, Aaron McCarey being one to replace Gabby Sava is well known at this stage, interesting to see who the others will be given the splurge going on at Tallaght to sign every centre mid imaginable and us having a settled squad for the first close season in a few years, that's for the transfers thread though!

By all accounts it'll be Perth as Head Coach with a box ticker in as either Assistant Manager alongside Ruairi Higgins or as Director of Football, more likely the former though as having a pro licence DOF won't cover the manager /head coach from what I've heard.

[Dundalk daz]

VP And John gill as DOF to be announced by Dundalk tomorrow.

[Calcio Jack]

VP And John gill as DOF to be announced by Dundalk tomorrow.

Santa arrives early - can’t wait to see how this tunes out if true

[placid casual]

Big shoes for Perth to fill indeed. Will he sink or swim it's hard to know yet.
As for Gill.. I have visions of the dundalk players doing their best Conor McGregor impression" who the f** is that guy"!?

[marinobohs]

Big shoes for Perth to fill indeed. Will he sink or swim it's hard to know yet.
As for Gill.. I have visions of the dundalk players doing their best Conor McGregor impression" who the f** is that guy"!?

Giller well thought of by many at El Paso from his stint there as manager. I seem to recall he was denied promotion as manager due to the changed licensing criteria by the FAI (followed by the infamous maxi 'intervention';)). Also (probably more significantly) he is fully badged up coaching wise.

[Ezeikial]

Vinny Perth is the main man

[sbgawa]

Happy for Perth to get a shot at it, deserves a chance after giving up his full time job to go full time as Assistant manager,
I'm surprised Peak 6 did'nt go for a guy with outside league experience as DOF rather than just a box ticking exercise but overall good news for DFC , stability etc

[oriel]

For continuity purposes, I`m happy with VP, knows the set up inside out and the players and has been there with Kenny since start of 2013.

When SK left I was thinking P6 might put in a big name and from aboard, then I thought about it, not sure that would have been the best idea, need someone who knows the game in Ireland.

Gill is a surprise to see him involved, I think they would be taking him in for his badges, with VP being the main man. I would have been worried if players had not been signed up, but all 14 who featured in the cup final are onboard for 2019 and a lot until 2020 including Duffy, McEleney and Gannon.

[Dalymountrower]

Santa arrives early - can’t wait to see how this tunes out if true

Too many chiefs in that Dundalk set up , Rovers odds on to win the league.

[Mr A]

No stadium progress at all and taking the cheap option on the manager front. Peak 6 investment going brilliantly I see.

[Nesta99]

No stadium progress at all and taking the cheap option on the manager front. Peak 6 investment going brilliantly I see.

It's shocking! Double winners in their first season and the spoils of Europe in to their pockets next season. I bet they are completely gutted!!

VP was always going to be the head coach and a badge man in as DoF. There was no secret about those plans from the day after Kenny resigned. I think its the right direction and as Oriel says the squad are already signed up mostly on multiple year contracts. Continuity right now is more important than a new man in to change things up. Completely flop in Europe next season and we could see the net being spread wider for coaching staff. As for Oriel Park, its been said dozens of times that as long as its cheaper to rent Tallaght for European games than to improve Oriel then the old place will stay the same. Our hope is grant allocations might lead to improvements but they will be basic in the short or medium term and make little differene on the reputation of Oriel being the ground for the traditionalist type supporters in the league....fancy all seater stands and corporate areas giving out free vul au vents or standing terraces, baltic cold, with bovril sold through a hatch - no competition!!

[Martinho II]

i know from vinny perths stint in charge of us as caretaker mgr that our form improved dramatically after Aaron Callaghan resigned .How he didnt get the job when Alan Gough got it instead I never know as I never liked Gough at all. Gough had his spies on foot.ie and threatened to have me removed from our supporters club as secretary when I said that he was ran out of Galway which he wasnt too happy about but I got to keep my job and he didnt!

[marinobohs]

It's shocking! Double winners in their first season and the spoils of Europe in to their pockets next season. I bet they are completely gutted!!

VP was always going to be the head coach and a badge man in as DoF. There was no secret about those plans from the day after Kenny resigned. I think its the right direction and as Oriel says the squad are already signed up mostly on multiple year contracts. Continuity right now is more important than a new man in to change things up. Completely flop in Europe next season and we could see the net being spread wider for coaching staff. As for Oriel Park, its been said dozens of times that as long as its cheaper to rent Tallaght for European games than to improve Oriel then the old place will stay the same. Our hope is grant allocations might lead to improvements but they will be basic in the short or medium term and make little differene on the reputation of Oriel being the ground for the traditionalist type supporters in the league....fancy all seater stands and corporate areas giving out free vul au vents or standing terraces, baltic cold, with bovril sold through a hatch - no competition!!

It ain't broken so no surprise to see Dundalk focus on continuity (or attempt to) the only issue is if Perth will be able to keep the train on track and we wont know that until he has a go ! John Gill is a decent coach and has an element of experience so I think he may be useful to VP in starting out. I also presume VP approved the appointment of Gill so must see him as some addition (apart from just the badges). I can see why all other fans would hope it s a slip up by Dundalk :D but it might be a bit early to predict any change just yet.

[Martinho II]

It ain't broken so no surprise to see Dundalk focus on continuity (or attempt to) the only issue is if Perth will be able to keep the train on track and we wont know that until he has a go ! John Gill is a decent coach and has an element of experience so I think he may be useful to VP in starting out. I also presume VP approved the appointment of Gill so must see him as some addition (apart from just the badges). I can see why all other fans would hope it s a slip up by Dundalk :D but it might be a bit early to predict any change just yet.

before VP came back to us as assitant coach in 08 gill was mgr for Dundalk and VP a player if my memory serves me right.

[ToberonaTornado]

before VP came back to us as assitant coach in 08 gill was mgr for Dundalk and VP a player if my memory serves me right.

VP played under Giller at Dundalk(i think without searching) 2007

[Ezeikial]

VP played under Giller at Dundalk(i think without searching) 2007


Spot on - JG was the boss in 2007



Perth then spent his final season as a professional player at Oriel Park when he signed for the club for an assault on the 2007 first division crown but injuries restricted him to just 17 games.

https://www.dundalkfc.com/players/manager-backroom/vinny-perth/

[Ezeikial]

No stadium progress at all and taking the cheap option on the manager front. Peak 6 investment going brilliantly I see.


Lack of stadium progress is an irritation, but there is widespread satisfaction among fans (even among the seriously sceptical) about Peak6 to date

The remaining signings (probably in the January period coming from outside Ireland) will tell a lot about the level of Peak6 intentions

[Longfordian]

Vinny always had a good view on things as a player from any time I ever chatted with him and he did a good job in very difficult circumstances as caretaker manager with us. I don’t doubt that his six years or whatever it is as Kenny’s assistant will have taught him a lot more. My initial reaction was that it’s a big job to take as your first proper managerial job but if he has the players’ respect, and all the indications are that he does, I can see him doing well. He’ll certainly put his heart and soul into it.

[bennocelt]

Just a question, can VP be "head coach" if he hasnt all his badges. Just the wording of it for Uefa, etc.

[Nesta99]

Just a question, can VP be "head coach" if he hasnt all his badges. Just the wording of it for Uefa, etc.

They'd hardly be that pedantic!? As long as there is a 'senior' coach/DoF with a pro licence I doubt the actual title matters, even manager would probably be allowed. 1st team coach is ambiguous enough if the powers that be are overly fussy. Not so long ago he could be also be head barman at a club for a few extra quid and never pull a pint...maybe the FAI did improve a few things after all!

[bennocelt]

They'd hardly be that pedantic!? As long as there is a 'senior' coach/DoF with a pro licence I doubt the actual title matters, even manager would probably be allowed. 1st team coach is ambiguous enough if the powers that be are overly fussy. Not so long ago he could be also be head barman at a club for a few extra quid and never pull a pint...maybe the FAI did improve a few things after all!

Yeah Nesta I know, but I have a nice little bet on this and I would like to think the bookies are of the same opinion, but i doubt it!:D

[Asterix]

The first team manager/head coach has to have a pro licence so thats the job Gill will have to be given. Maybe its possible to appoint both of them as mangers though.

[Ezeikial]

The first team manager/head coach has to have a pro licence so thats the job Gill will have to be given. Maybe its possible to appoint both of them as mangers though.

Whatever about the job titles allocated, it will be Vinny Perth who will be in charge of the team - it will be his job to manage/coach, with the assistance of others.

[Nesta99]

Yeah Nesta I know, but I have a nice little bet on this and I would like to think the bookies are of the same opinion, but i doubt it!:D

Dont hold back!! Share the wealth ;)

[oriel]

It’s looking like Dundalk have met the conditions the FAI wanted in terms of getting the mgt team in place.

Perth will be announced before xmas, with Higgins as assistant mgr, and Gill coming in as coach.

[EatYerGreens]

It’s looking like Dundalk have met the conditions the FAI wanted in terms of getting the mgt team in place.

Perth will be announced before xmas, with Higgins as assistant mgr, and Gill coming in as coach.

What do Dundalk fans make of that ?

Seems a bit of a limited approach for a club which the sort of ambition that Dundalk has IMO.

[ToberonaTornado]

What do Dundalk fans make of that ?

Seems a bit of a limited approach for a club which the sort of ambition that Dundalk has IMO.

For me it's a no brainer(VP's ordination).The current squad seem to be behind his appointment(the fans also).Well worth a good punt imo.No point in unsettling a double winning squad by bringing in a marquee manger who hasn't a clue about the LOI.

Who would you suggest your good self?

[Charlie Darwin]

For me it's a no brainer(VP's ordination).The current squad seem to be behind his appointment(the fans also).Well worth a good punt imo.No point in unsettling a double winning squad by bringing in a marquee manger who hasn't a clue about the LOI.

Who would you suggest your good self?
Mark Hughes or Steve Bruce. Definitely not Solskjaer, the players need someone they recognise.