Potential Dundalk Manager

[EatYerGreens]

For me it's a no brainer(VP's ordination).The current squad seem to be behind his appointment(the fans also).Well worth a good punt imo.No point in unsettling a double winning squad by bringing in a marquee manger who hasn't a clue about the LOI.

Who would you suggest your good self?

Is Roddy Collins still out of work ?

[ToberonaTornado]

Loving the jokes.Stan Staunton has to get an honourable mention also here and Jim Corr was another.Although we would consider his 3 sisters!!

[Charlie Darwin]

Loving the jokes.Stan Staunton has to get an honourable mention also here and Jim Corr was another.Although we would consider his 3 sisters!!
It's a shame Sean Connor is doing so well in the GAA in Donegal otherwise you'd imagine Vinnie would be out of a job. Maybe it's the break he needs.

[placid casual]

What's gills role in the club, apart from calming perth down when he loses his rag?

[ToberonaTornado]

What's gills role in the club, apart from calming perth down when he loses his rag?

Before or after your kit manager :) starts?

[SkStu]

Loving the jokes.Stan Staunton has to get an honourable mention also here and Jim Corr was another.Although we would consider his 3 sisters!!

I was thinking Jim Corr too, with Maxi as his assistant to keep the fans happy.

[Ezeikial]

I was thinking Jim Corr too, with Maxi as his assistant to keep the fans happy.

Maxi's star had waned since the Palestinian flag fine. A few good press interviews as the new assistant could restore his status though.

[nigel-harps1954]

Major shock announcement today.

Vinny Perth unexpectedly announced as Dundalk manager in a huge bit of news. In even bigger news, John Gill has been confirmed alongside Ruaidhiri Higgins as his backroom team.

[ToberonaTornado]

Major shock announcement today.

Vinny Perth unexpectedly announced as Dundalk manager in a huge bit of news. In even bigger news, John Gill has been confirmed alongside Ruaidhiri Higgins as his backroom team.

Delighted for gill.He was ridden by Mathews in 2008 after getting Dundalk promoted twice.Mind you,that wasn't the only riding matthews was doing back then :p
https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7527pa7qs9kCG78A/giphy.gif

[micls]

Fudgtastic. Good old FAI. Derry must be ****ed!

Be interesting to see how Perth does. Obviously he's been a huge part of the success, and he's got the players sorted, so what the difference is will be a good insight into Kenny too.

[Ezeikial]

Obviously he's been a huge part of the success, and he's got the players sorted, so what the difference is will be a good insight into Kenny too.

Rip Van Winkle is probably the only other one relying on Vinny Perth's future performance to gain an insight into Stephen Kenny's abilities

[Olander]

Very odd appointments by Dundalk, IMO.

Yes Vinny Perth has been Kenny's understudy for many years and will have an intimate knowledge of how he managed the club, but Perth has no managerial experience. I would've thought the logical choice would've been to bring in a manager of a serious calibre (and Dundalk can well afford to do so) and have Perth heavily involved so the status quo remains largely the same and Dundalk continue to drive forward.

Perhaps the most bewildering aspect of the whole announcement is John Gill's inclusion. Obviously he has the PRO licence so that ticks the badges box, but it seems like such a marriage of convenience / lazy option and little else. I heard Gill described as a cancer in his stint as assistant manager at Drogheda United under Pete Mahon and lets be honest, he hasn't exactly gone on to uproot any trees since winning the First Division with Dundalk a long time ago.

With where Dundalk are now as a club, surely they could've done better than Perth, Gill and Higgins? It seems a bit beneath them and underwhelming.

[Yossarian]

Very odd appointments by Dundalk, IMO.

Yes Vinny Perth has been Kenny's understudy for many years and will have an intimate knowledge of how he managed the club, but Perth has no managerial experience. I would've thought the logical choice would've been to bring in a manager of a serious calibre (and Dundalk can well afford to do so) and have Perth heavily involved so the status quo remains largely the same and Dundalk continue to drive forward.


Have you an example of any manager of “serious calibre” who would take the job? I don’t think there was anyone suitable in Ireland and any decent manager abroad would already been in a job.

In my opinion this is a good option to carry on the good things that have been happening in the pitch. While Gill wouldn’t be my first choice, it’s clear he is Perth’s choice to fulfill the pro licence criteria and Perth will be the boss no matter what way it’s dressed up.

[Olander]

Have you an example of any manager of “serious calibre” who would take the job? I don’t think there was anyone suitable in Ireland and any decent manager abroad would already been in a job.

In my opinion this is a good option to carry on the good things that have been happening in the pitch. While Gill wouldn’t be my first choice, it’s clear he is Perth’s choice to fulfill the pro licence criteria and Perth will be the boss no matter what way it’s dressed up.
Dundalk could've brought someone in from the UK, I have no doubt about that - it's a very appealing job with the backing the club currently has, Champions League football is secured and an excellent squad is already assembled, so the new manager wouldn't have to do major surgery.

I would not have thought anybody in Ireland would've been seriously considered or approached by Dundalk. It seems like a really lazy "safe" appointment from the outside looking in.

[Yossarian]

Dundalk could've brought someone in from the UK, I have no doubt about that - it's a very appealing job with the backing the club currently has, Champions League football is secured and an excellent squad is already assembled, so the new manager wouldn't have to do major surgery.

I would not have thought anybody in Ireland would've been seriously considered or approached by Dundalk. It seems like a really lazy "safe" appointment from the outside looking in.

A journeyman UK manager is a much bigger risk than Perth and Gill. I’m glad we haven’t gone down the road of a Brian Laws or John Coleman type of appointment.

[holidaysong]

It seems like a really lazy "safe" appointment from the outside looking in.

I'm very happy with "safe" for now, as are almost all Dundalk fans that I've spoken to. While it's hardly the most exciting appointment, it does make a lot of sense with all of our squad for next year already signed up. I'm sure any prospective new manager would have wanted their own players which wouldn't have been possible with the squad already in place for the next 12 months. This makes the continuity angle with VP feel like the right move for me. If the whole squad was out of contract and a new man could come in and build his own squad then I'd agree more with bringing in someone with proven managerial experience.

[Mr A]

Bit of a joke that the FAI are ignoring their own rules. It's one thing doing it for an established manager who does not have the badges.. but for someone who has never done the job.. seems a bit mad.

Regina Coppinger raises a question of whether it will fly with UEFA: https://twitter.com/Regcoppinger/status/1080111674688978944

https://twitter.com/Regcoppinger/status/1080138287162028033

[Olander]

A journeyman UK manager is a much bigger risk than Perth and Gill. I’m glad we haven’t gone down the road of a Brian Laws or John Coleman type of appointment.
You're jumping to an assumption that Dundalk could only appoint a journeyman if they brought in a manager from the UK.

Dundalk could've done their homework and brought in a serious manager from the UK that would drive them on. It doesn't necessarily have to be a 40-50 year old manager like Laws or Coleman.

Instead they've gone with the insular route and promoted their scout to assistant manager, appointed a guy as first team coach who has largely failed in his roles as assistant manager at St Pats, Rovers and Drogheda. Now the assistant has been made manager and Dundalk are hoping that by not rocking the boat that Perth will be able to carry on from where Kenny left off because last seasons squad remains largely intact. It seems like the "safe" option, but I wouldn't be so sure that Perth is the man to lead Dundalk forward.

[Olander]

I'm very happy with "safe" for now, as are almost all Dundalk fans that I've spoken to.
Log on to Oriel Web, I wouldn't say almost all Dundalk fans are happy with the appointments. Many seem to think the club could've got someone better and don't see the point of Gill returning.

[White Horse]

Regina Coppinger raises a question of whether it will fly with UEFA: https://twitter.com/Regcoppinger/status/1080111674688978944

https://twitter.com/Regcoppinger/status/1080138287162028033

Who the hell is she?

[Olander]

Who the hell is she?
She did licencing for the FAI for about 10 years.

[sbgawa]

the last licensing manager at the fai.
Surprised at the strong tone

[Ezeikial]

Log on to Oriel Web, I wouldn't say almost all Dundalk fans are happy with the appointments. Many seem to think the club could've got someone better and don't see the point of Gill returning.

While some may have wished for some unnamed serious calibre manager from abroad, the majority of Dundalk fans are behind the concept of continuity and the most obvious way to achieve this is by entrusting Vinny Perth with the job.

It remains to be seen exactly what role John Gill assumes (irrespective of the titles) but clearly Vinny Perth had a significant part in his appointment and agreeing the role.

Any appointment has an element of risk, but while this appointment is probably under-whelming as a news story and to many supporters, it is also likely to be the least risk option for Dundalk in the short term.

[ToberonaTornado]

Log on to Oriel Web, I wouldn't say almost all Dundalk fans are happy with the appointments. Many seem to think the club could've got someone better and don't see the point of Gill returning.

Dude.:D

[mcgonigle]

She did licencing for the FAI for about 10 years.

Ha, she's brave

[oriel]

Dundalk could've brought someone in from the UK.


That was the one move I was hoping they would not go for, a guy from the uk with no experience of Irish Football.

This will be a challenging role for Perth, supported by Higgins and Gill, but it's the safer option in the medium term.

[blueblood]

That was the one move I was hoping they would not go for, a guy from the uk with no experience of Irish Football.

This will be a challenging role for Perth, supported by Higgins and Gill, but it's the safer option in the medium term.

Nice to see dundalk not following in Limerick's foot steps, we like our foreign useless yet expensive managers, anything limerick fc do obviously just do the opposite... easy 😎

[ger121]

Will be interesting to see how it all works out. Continuity vs Experience. They'll win the League in my opinion but Europe is the benchmark in 2019.

[sbgawa]

Dundalk won the league easily last year, they've offloaded Connolly (,I doubt there is a fee but it doesn't matter) and replaced him with Kelly.
Manager spanager , dundalk start deserved odds on favs

[Nesta99]

Dundalk won the league easily last year, they've offloaded Connolly (,I doubt there is a fee but it doesn't matter) and replaced him with Kelly.
Manager spanager , dundalk start deserved odds on favs

True, we can let him go for free then throw kitchen sinks at him to sign him back again as is our lauded transfer policy!

[pineapple stu]

That was the one move I was hoping they would not go for, a guy from the uk with no experience of Irish Football.
Never understood that line of thought tbh. There's nothing that special about the game here that pre-match scouting won't teach you fairly quickly

[dundalkfc10]

Dundalk won the league easily last year, they've offloaded Connolly (,I doubt there is a fee but it doesn't matter) and replaced him with Kelly.
Manager spanager , dundalk start deserved odds on favs

There is a fee

[oriel]

Dundalk won the league easily last year, they've offloaded Connolly (,I doubt there is a fee but it doesn't matter) and replaced him with Kelly.
Manager spanager , dundalk start deserved odds on favs

Dylan Connolly is under contract to the end of 2019.

A fee will have to be paid and local journos suggesting DFC will recoup most of the 35k they paid for him from Bray if the transfer to AFC Wimbledon goes ahead.

[Ezeikial]

There is a fee

Of course there has been no confirmation of anything at this point other than VP saying a move was likely.

All the indications are that a fee would be involved if a cross channel move is completed.

[micls]

Dundalk won the league easily last year, they've offloaded Connolly (,I doubt there is a fee but it doesn't matter) and replaced him with Kelly.
Manager spanager , dundalk start deserved odds on favs


Rip Van Winkle is probably the only other one relying on Vinny Perth's future performance to gain an insight into Stephen Kenny's abilities

There's no questioning Kenny’s ability, at this level anyway.

What exactly makes him that good is something I find interesting. Is it the tactical side the man management, the motivation, the training etc etc. Or a combination of the above.

If the team seems to struggle in a specific area under a new manager, especially one who saw kenny working, it could give an insight into what made Kenny that good.

[Longfordian]

It’s a long time ago now but from everything I ever heard about him with us it was his man management and motivation that were his biggest assets. He was obviously no slouch tactically but he made the players feel ten feet tall and earned devotion from the fans through his engagement with them. He also had a keen eye for a player.

[Martinho II]

It’s a long time ago now but from everything I ever heard about him with us it was his man management and motivation that were his biggest assets. He was obviously no slouch tactically but he made the players feel ten feet tall and earned devotion from the fans through his engagement with them. He also had a keen eye for a player.

also from his time with us hes the only longford town manager that I can remember opening up a new pub in town! noone else has done this since then! he made such a huge effort to get footfall through the gates and he succeeded.

[Nesta99]

Stephen Kenny was very involved in community activities in Dundalk. From opening shops, exhibitions to being an ambassador for local charities. I dont know how he ever managed to shopping or any personal errands done as anybody who stopped to talk to him he politely stopped to chat and have pics taken. Very affable guy who knew the importance of creating a connection with the local community. He often used public events to speak about issues not related to football as he did and the sports writer awards. He also instructed his players to do the same in terms as acting as ambassadors for the club and politely deal with the pesky kids and supporters that were all wanted selfies and programmes signed. If he continues in that way with the FAI job(s) then they will be all the better for it!!

[Ezeikial]

More additions to the backgound management teams at Dundalk. Awaiting club confirmation. Change also expected at CEO level with Mal Brannigan due to be replaced


Former Sky Sports reporter to join Dundalk FC as club's 'head of recruitment'


Former Sky Sports reporter Andy Burton is believed to have joined Dundalk FC as the club's new 'head of recruitment'.

The Englishman has the title of 'Senior Recruitment Consultant' at English Premier League side AFC Bournemouth - who Dundalk owners Peak6 have a stake in - which sees him perform a similar role.

It is all part of a managerial reshuffle at Oriel Park in the aftermath of Stephen Kenny's departure. Earlier this week, Vinny Perth was announced as the new head coach, with Rúaidhrí Higgins (assistant coach) and John Gill (first-team coach) flanking him.

However, it has been agreed that Burton - who has vast experience in scouting and player-data research - will aid Perth and co. with transfers and general player incomings.


Club chairman Mike Treacy has spoken widely about this type of network in the past, with Marco Tagbajumi, Krisztián Adorján (loan) and Karolis Chvedukas purchased as a result.

Burton, who joined the Cherries in June 2016, after 12 years at Sky, is reported to have visited Dundalk before Christmas for discussions, but is expected to remain based across the water.

On the pitch, the Lilywhites will begin pre-season training on Saturday, with a pre-season trip to Spain planned for the end of the month.

https://www.dundalkdemocrat.ie/news/sport/356030/former-sky-sports-reporter-to-join-dundalk-fc-as-club-s-head-of-recruitment.html#.XC5sdvfO-1w.twitter

[outspoken]

More additions to the backgound management teams at Dundalk. Awaiting club confirmation. Change also expected at CEO level with Mal Brannigan due to be replaced



https://www.dundalkdemocrat.ie/news/sport/356030/former-sky-sports-reporter-to-join-dundalk-fc-as-club-s-head-of-recruitment.html#.XC5sdvfO-1w.twitter

Not the case according to Tony O'Donoghue, although local media now saying he will still play a very small role at Dundalk while remaining UK based. As for Brannigan, heard he was being shipped out last week after the Fyffes mess up

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

There is a fee

Any idea how much Dundalk paid?

[Ezeikial]

Not the case according to Tony O'Donoghue, although local media now saying he will still play a very small role at Dundalk while remaining UK based. As for Brannigan, heard he was being shipped out last week after the Fyffes mess up

Mal Brannigan's departure confirmed

https://www.dundalkfc.com/chief-executive-to-depart-dundalk-fc/

[nigel-harps1954]

Did Brannigan actually do anything at Dundalk apart from p!ss off sponsors?

[sbgawa]

Branigan Obviously tried to jack up the fee for Fyffes and then quickly realized that shirt sponsorship in the LOI is not high up the Marketing priorities in most companies, certainly not as high as sponsoring the local County GAA team :( anyone with a current sponsor should be cuddling them regularly :)

[Nesta99]

Any idea how much Dundalk paid?

The first approach made Bray wanted 100k. The next transfer window things must have been starting to slip financially so the generally quoted undisclosed fee was 35k. We've made a little on that, he was on good money due to the 2 year contract and he wont be driving us all nuts falling over looking for frees rather than actually trying to play football. He would be a top sprinter or hurdler but footballer? I thought he'd improve with full time coaching but there were marginal improvements.
If there was a flaw in Kenny's team selection at times is that he stuck with players that a fee was payed for like Connolly no matter what other options were there. It is a coincidence that he was first to leave after Kenny left but you get the impression that once Kelly signed Perth wasnt to bothered that Connolly was gone smartly. Kilduff was another that Kenny really stuck with after paying a fee, he scored some important goals no doubt, great pro and nice chap but missed sitters (he should have scored against Rosenborg imo in extra time to put us ahead again in the tie but hit the bar when it looked easier to keep the ball down and then there was a sitter in Tel Aviv to level the game and that point could have been crucial to put us in to the last 32) AZ at 'home' he started but we only got in to that game properly when McMillan was brought on for Kilduff. Maguire was warming bench at the time too and got little to no game time and we now know what he was capable of. My opinion anyway.

[Nesta99]

Branigan Obviously tried to jack up the fee for Fyffes and then quickly realized that shirt sponsorship in the LOI is not high up the Marketing priorities in most companies, certainly not as high as sponsoring the local County GAA team :( anyone with a current sponsor should be cuddling them regularly :)

Even if he did its hardly a reason for him to be moved on! There is more to it than trying to play hardball with Fyffes.

[sbgawa]

I think your being a little hard on him his confidence looked shot when i saw him play for DFC compared to when he played for Bray and he might get it back as part of the move,
but i agree with you he's not a loss considering you've replaced him with Kelly who is brim full of beans

[Charlie Darwin]

also from his time with us hes the only longford town manager that I can remember opening up a new pub in town! noone else has done this since then! he made such a huge effort to get footfall through the gates and he succeeded.
Few managers at other clubs have been regular presences at the opening of pubs, mind.

[outspoken]

Mal Brannigan's departure confirmed

https://www.dundalkfc.com/chief-executive-to-depart-dundalk-fc/

I was referring to the guy from Sky sports

[Scrufil]

As a piece of conjecture is it likely or within the rule books for A.F.C. Bournemouth to loan out players to Dundalk? Could for instance a fringe first team player transfer to Oriel just in time to coincide with Dundalk’s European run? This player, depending on Dundalk’s progress of course, having done well then returns to the Cherries and due to the shop window that is European football increases his value and is then sold on by his parent club and Peak6.
Reading between the lines of what Vinny Perth said of recent I believe this or a similar scheme is in the works hence the need to create a new layer above the manager dealing with potential transfers. The layer above being a way to insulate both clubs and bend the rules to the liking of Peak6.