RTE next season [Archive] - Page 7

nigel-harps1954

08/04/2014, 5:15 PM

It's steadily improving. The first show was shocking, but last nights was quite good in comparison.

The addition of an extra camera or two at certain games is very welcome. I'd like to see a second camera at all the games, as it adds hugely to the whole thing in my opinion.

On another positive note, the removal of any music from highlights is fantastic. I hated the music MNS put over their highlights and it's great to see that removed.

Analysis is still a bit poor though, but you'd come to expect that from their panel of 'experts'.

Disappointed altogether with the absolutely pathetic coverage of First Division, but again, that's expected. It's gone from reading out the results, to them simply coming along a ticker at the bottom. Didn't think the coverage could get any smaller, but RTE have outdone themselves in that regard again.

The celebrity six thing is a waste of time, and a few minutes that could be better used elsewhere.

I don't mind the 11pm slot too much, as I rarely watched it in the evening time anyway, so I usually have the TV to myself by that stage. It's not great for the casual football fan who may have tuned in earlier, nor is it any good for attracting in kids, but I'd imagine the spike in online views is due to the time slot.
I recall reading before that MNS viewing figures were actually very similar to that of the old EPL Premiership show, but that was possibly due to more people preferring to watch Match of the Day.

Yossarian

08/04/2014, 8:43 PM

Sheridan

08/04/2014, 9:13 PM

Yeah, it was scaling the heights of acceptably bad last night (purely because it was all killer, no filler, football-wise). Still, though, it's a desperately amateurish production for any national broadcaster to disgrace the world game with. Graphics & editing is the only department that can hold its head up.

Nesta99

08/04/2014, 9:39 PM

Well I suppose there is no harm in having high standards Sheridan. I thoroughly enjoyed last nights show. My only issue is with some of the pundits but then that depends on perspective eg I just dislike Stu Byrne, he gives off an air of arrogance, faux superiority, and smugness and has the best bitter league winning interview. He is better than Roddy and his wind up antics (but then his comments on Pat Hoban have slanted any previous opinion). Dave Barry was very positive toward Dundalk last season and so can do no wrong if/when on. Kenny Cunninghams stint on MNS was excellent, Sadlier is ok too and the rest are bland I suppose but no more so than Shearer and Hansen on MOTD.

geysir

08/04/2014, 9:45 PM

I thought last nights show was much better. All bar 5 odd minutes about the league games. One of the advantages of the late slot now is that you get to see the goals from the Monday games that night. The time doesn't bother me at all as I watched it on the player on the commute home this evening.
The production is good. It stands out well in comparison with other (comparable) networks' attempts at a weekly round-up. But it's no substitute for the live transmission when it comes to your team.

Charlie Darwin

08/04/2014, 10:10 PM

Ezeikial

08/04/2014, 10:23 PM

I couldn't give a monkeys about Stuey Byrne's demeanour as long as he's not tipping Rovers to win the league.

He's a nut job.

He was still tipping Rovers for the league last season at a time when it was obvious they would not even make the top three.

Nesta99

08/04/2014, 10:32 PM

See thats the thing with Byrne, i'm not sure that he is really thinking what he says, its more like that no matter what he is not going to say x or tip y for the league. Ignorant more than arrogant then but undermines his punditry.

Charlie Darwin

08/04/2014, 10:36 PM

He's a nut job.

He was still tipping Rovers for the league last season at a time when it was obvious they would not even make the top three.
I wouldn't mind if it was Marc Kenny or somebody, but he never even played for Rovers! I can only assume he knows tipping a team for the title is a kiss of death and he does it out of spite.

Nesta99

08/04/2014, 10:40 PM

Ahhh so thats whats wrong with Rovers - and I just thought that Trevor Crolly is sh#te manager!

Charlie Darwin

08/04/2014, 10:42 PM

Ahhh so thats whats wrong with Rovers - and I just thought that Trevor Crolly is sh#te manager!
Hey, he tipped your boy Stephen to win the title too :p

Nesta99

08/04/2014, 11:03 PM

True, but why wouldnt he when the title was going down to the last day of the season and he was gonna pick up a winners medal with his beloved Shels - i'd use the super powers too

Charlie Darwin

08/04/2014, 11:07 PM

Ha, I meant he tipped him when he was at Rovers. I'm sure that even on the final day of last season, Stuey was still down the bookies putting a tenner on Rovers to win the league.

Guitd

08/04/2014, 11:13 PM

is there a ban on the presenters wearing ties on the show it was the same last year on mns ,some of the guests attire is shocking and dosen't present itself as professional just take a look at sky sports presenters always well dressed and suited up ,,not that it makes the coverage any better but saying its too casual and dosent come across professionaly well with the barstoolers

Charlie Darwin

08/04/2014, 11:16 PM

I think there's an argument to be made that full dinner attire isn't necessary to analyse a football match.

Charlie Darwin

08/04/2014, 11:19 PM

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JC_GUFC

09/04/2014, 7:09 AM

The analysts on ESPN/BT are always pretty casually dressed.

The show has improved since the dreadful first effort.

They've binned the cringe worthy free kick piece. It's not a bad idea to get something featuring the players to get us more familiar with them but that was terrible.

They also haven't mentioned the CL in the last few programmes and focussed more on the League of Ireland.

To be fair I'd say all those involved in the show are fans of the league so they're probably happy enough. It will be interesting to see if CL highlights are back next week.

Ezeikial

09/04/2014, 8:09 AM

This weeks show was excellent. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Real ale Madrid

09/04/2014, 8:18 AM

Showing the highlights of the Monday games on Monday evening - I thought that was great! Now why can't they move the show to Friday night 11.00pm and repeat it Saturday morning. Be like our own MOTD.

oriel

09/04/2014, 8:31 AM

Yep have to say I enjoyed this weeks show, watched it last night, one of the best ones so far.

Nesta99

09/04/2014, 8:40 AM

Ha, I meant he tipped him when he was at Rovers. I'm sure that even on the final day of last season, Stuey was still down the bookies putting a tenner on Rovers to win the league.

Funny! I knew you were on about that wonderful season Rovers had; have visions of Byrne turning up to pick up his 'winnings' to be told Rovers finish 5th and him going off on one 'Despicable, robbed blind, the way the club have been treated people say that Liam Buckley et al are nice men but theyre not they stopped Shamrock Rovers winning the league so get lost all of ye outa the league, im angry, im angry'.

Kiki Balboa

09/04/2014, 2:01 PM

Tony O'Donnell and Alan Cawley are by far the best Pundits the show has ! Plus Cawleys blogs on the website are normally very good

nigel-harps1954

09/04/2014, 2:10 PM

Tony O'Donnell and Alan Cawley are by far the best Pundits the show has ! Plus Cawleys blogs on the website are normally very good

Alan Cawley? Like....Alan Cawley?

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adamd164

09/04/2014, 2:30 PM

Credit where it's due, Monday's show was very good, actually better than what used to be on MNS.

If they stuck to that format it'd be great. Leave out the Champions League stuff and no need for token British football pundits.

Dodge

09/04/2014, 3:38 PM

Tony O'Donnell and Alan Cawley are by far the best Pundits the show has ! Plus Cawleys blogs on the website are normally very good

Hi Alan!

WeAreRovers

09/04/2014, 4:45 PM

Stephen McPhail, Tony McDonnell and Alan Cawley are the panellists next week.

Nah Nah Nah Nah

09/04/2014, 7:36 PM

Anyone else think they should have Dave Barry on more? No? Either do I

Charlie Darwin

09/04/2014, 7:54 PM

I think they should have Dave Barry on every week, as presenter and lead analyst, and if he's not available they should get somebody to dress up like him and talk like they have soup in their mouths.

Nesta99

09/04/2014, 9:27 PM

Let nothing be said about Dave Barry!!

Charlie Darwin

09/04/2014, 9:43 PM

Did Richie Sadlier just admit he took performance-enhancing drugs for an entire season at Millwall?

Nesta99

09/04/2014, 10:07 PM

Eh yeah in a way. Banned substances though are not always performance enhancing but could give a positive result the same as a performance enhancer. Loads of people were using JD3 before it was banned by WADA couple of years ago and it really only aided recovery

But had he won a few medals he could have ended up sended the back!

Charlie Darwin

09/04/2014, 10:38 PM

I assume they weren't giving him performance-neutral banned substances.

Mr A

09/04/2014, 10:57 PM

What did he say? Football is generally a joke when it comes to drug testing, the issue simply isn't taken seriously.

Ezeikial

10/04/2014, 8:10 AM

What did he say? Football is generally a joke when it comes to drug testing, the issue simply isn't taken seriously.

Shane Grimes might disagree with you there

Pablo Escobar

10/04/2014, 8:14 AM

The last two weeks Foley has pointed to our lack of strength-in-depth. The thing is that we actually do have a lot of strength-in-depth this year, probably the most that I can ever recall.

Mr A

10/04/2014, 8:39 AM

Shane Grimes might disagree with you there

The lad the PFAI vigorously defended and got a pretty light ban?

wonder88

10/04/2014, 10:24 AM

You wouldn't expect Foley or most of the Dublin based media to know too much about soccer in Cork, a bit unfair I think.
Just saw what Pat Doolan wrote in the Star last week in relation to the GAA/Sky tv deal. Makes no sense at all, he expects that the LoI can get millions for tv coverage if only they had negotiators like those in Croke Park. No understanding of reality it seems.

adamd164

10/04/2014, 11:49 AM

Cork City have started putting highlights of all matches on YouTube so it must be an option to clubs.

http://www.corkcityfc.ie/home/2014/04/10/rebel-army-tv-match-highlights-available/

Ezeikial

10/04/2014, 12:17 PM

The lad the PFAI vigorously defended and got a pretty light ban?

Your original point was "Football is generally a joke when it comes to drug testing, the issue simply isn't taken seriously"

It is not clear to me why the PFAI defending a member endorses that assertion.

Similarly, the length of the ban, which was imposed by The Irish Sport Council and not football authorities.

Many commentators believed that the 8 month ban was anything but a light ban , considering the findings that the judging panel determined that he did not intend to enhance his sporting performance but found him guilty of "carelessness".

Dodge

10/04/2014, 12:29 PM

Mr A

10/04/2014, 1:45 PM

Your original point was "Football is generally a joke when it comes to drug testing, the issue simply isn't taken seriously"

It is not clear to me why the PFAI defending a member endorses that assertion.

Similarly, the length of the ban, which was imposed by The Irish Sport Council and not football authorities.

Many commentators believed that the 8 month ban was anything but a light ban , considering the findings that the judging panel determined that he did not intend to enhance his sporting performance but found him guilty of "carelessness".

So in what way does one guy getting caught and getting what in the likes of cycling or athletics would be considered a very light ban contradicts my position that anti doping efforts in football in general are a joke? OK maybe the guy was careless, but he has responsibility for what's in his system, simple as that.

Does anyone know how often LOI players are tested? How about on non matchdays? And are there any blood tests? Basically- is there any real deterrent for a young player who might feel they can make it across the water if they just upped their game a bit?

In general, I don't think football authorities want to ask those questions. No (or few) positive tests doesn't mean much is the tests are few and far between and so basic only the brain-dead would get caught out.

Ezeikial

10/04/2014, 2:27 PM

So in what way does one guy getting caught and getting what in the likes of cycling or athletics would be considered a very light ban contradicts my position that anti doping efforts in football in general are a joke? OK maybe the guy was careless, but he has responsibility for what's in his system, simple as that.

As far as I know it is the Irish Sports Council who are responsible for determining the length of bans and not the various sporting bodies.

Does anyone know how often LOI players are tested? How about on non matchdays? And are there any blood tests? Basically- is there any real deterrent for a young player who might feel they can make it across the water if they just upped their game a bit?

In general, I don't think football authorities want to ask those questions. No (or few) positive tests doesn't mean much is the tests are few and far between and so basic only the brain-dead would get caught out.

The details are available here

http://www.irishsportscouncil.ie/Media/Latest_News/Annual-Review.pdf
http://www.independent.ie/sport/two-irish-athletes-banned-after-positive-tests-for-banned-substances-last-year-30170666.html

Mr A

10/04/2014, 3:00 PM

Cheers- some interesting stuff there which supports my suspicion. 46 tests in total. None involved blood. The FAI did not pay for any extra tests at any stage. It's not clear whether the out of competition ones were in or out of season or a mix.

The chances of an individual player getting caught, especially if they are reasonably well informed and careful are next to zero.

Interesting that in 2013 on 3 occasions tests could not be performed on football teams because they were not training where indicated in whereabouts programme.

Pablo Escobar

10/04/2014, 4:52 PM

You wouldn't expect Foley or most of the Dublin based media to know too much about soccer in Cork, a bit unfair I think.
Why is he giving his opinion then?

adamd164

10/04/2014, 6:28 PM

I'd say most of the national media hadn't a clue what to expect from us this year. As well as the few well known signings (Elding, Davoren, Dennehy, etc.), Caulfield has promoted quite a few players from our u19s, which isn't a bad thing because they've been very good and won 3 in a row at that level. But they wouldn't be household names (yet). Coupled to that we added Mark O'Sullivan up front who was Avondale's top scorer for the past number of years. The vast majority of the squad is made up of Cork players.

wonder88

10/04/2014, 10:47 PM

Why is he giving his opinion then?
Because he is getting paid to do so I suppose. I was trying to be a bit sarcastic, if you see the rest of my post; re Pat Doolan I tried to point out that those who write/comment on the LoI should at least do a bit of research and deal in reality not fantasy.

Charlie Darwin

10/04/2014, 10:49 PM

Because he is getting paid to do so I suppose. I was trying to be a bit sarcastic, if you see the rest of my post; re Pat Doolan I tried to point out that those who write/comment on the LoI should at least do a bit of research and deal in reality not fantasy.
To be fair to Dolan, he knows the LOI as well as anyone, he just chooses to ignore reality when he goes off on one. He presumably still reckons all LOI clubs should be playing in 20,000 seater stadiums.

legendz

12/04/2014, 9:24 AM

Cork City have started putting highlights of all matches on YouTube so it must be an option to clubs.

http://www.corkcityfc.ie/home/2014/04/10/rebel-army-tv-match-highlights-available/
Fair play! Credit where it's due! I note on the site they thank Soccer Republic. That's the way to use social media to promote your games. People have to get accustomed to seeing a team play if they're to possibly go to a game. Positive move.