RTE next season [Archive] - Page 2

Charlie Darwin

05/11/2013, 7:58 PM

Of course its the cost of production that's rte's issue. 7-8 is generally a filler slot on rte2, with cheap imports, usually repeats.
It would be a bit of both as buying rights for a US comedy is cheap as chips for a market this small, but still shows like that will pull in more viewers. Only going on guesswork too, but I'd say RTE have a hard time selling ads for MNS. There is a commonplace perception that LOI fans are of a lower class than those who watch other sports and even the EPL. Bear in mind that most of the people who work in advertising are from a very distinct social stratum.

Ezeikial

05/11/2013, 8:44 PM

There is a commonplace perception that LOI fans are of a lower class than those who watch other sports and even the EPL.

Do you agree or disagree with this perception?

Charlie Darwin

05/11/2013, 9:17 PM

Do you agree or disagree with this perception?
Is that a dig at Shamrock Rovers? :P

I think in Dublin anyway, anyone could tell you that LOI fans tend to be more working class than the average Man U fan, and I think we all know how the upper strata of Irish society view working class people.

Eminence Grise

05/11/2013, 9:41 PM

I think we all know how the upper strata of Irish society view working class people.

Through a telescope, one presumes.

Ezeikial

05/11/2013, 9:45 PM

Is that a dig at Shamrock Rovers? :P

You're a gas man - I rarely disguise my Rovers digs in case the "working class" Hoops don't get the rub.

I think in Dublin anyway, anyone could tell you that LOI fans tend to be more working class than the average Man U fan, and I think we all know how the upper strata of Irish society view working class people.

Perhaps the advertising fraternity view working class people as......eh working class?
(The well-established National Readership Survey (NRS) demographic profiling places unskilled Working Class category D as having the 2nd lowest disposable income of the 6 categories)

Charlie Darwin

05/11/2013, 10:16 PM

You're a gas man - I rarely disguise my Rovers digs in case the "working class" Hoops don't get the rub.
It was a joke, my Biblical friend.

Perhaps the advertising fraternity view working class people as......eh working class?
(The well-established National Readership Survey (NRS) demographic profiling places unskilled Working Class category D as having the 2nd lowest disposable income of the 6 categories)
You mean the JNRS and, yes, I'm well aware of how it categorises groups of people. It's a bit of an assumption already that LOI fans are part of the unskilled demographic, but obviously you're aware of that.

You're missing the point slightly. LOI fans are, in my experience, less well-off than the average EPL fan. So are GAA fans. GAA attracts huge advertising and sponsorship revenue even when ratings are low as a lot of research has been done on their spending habits and advertising can be well-targeted. There is not the same sophistication of understanding of the spending habits of LOI fans, and there exists a common understanding that LOI fans are the urban working classes who are difficult to target with advertising. That's understandable to some degree but is nevertheless a failing on the part of advertisers.

mrtndvn

05/11/2013, 10:42 PM

Does anyone know how to check the ratings of the shows that RTE broadbast? Be interesting to see 7pm Monday v Tuesday -> Sunday.

IrishRossi

05/11/2013, 10:54 PM

im looking for that myself but can only find the top 20 in the rating for 2012 and only 3 sporting events in it @ 2: is Euro 2012: Republic of Ireland v Croatia
@6 is All-Ireland Football Final
@ 8 is All-Ireland Hurling Final
@10 is London 2012 Olympics

http://www.rte.ie/mediasales/television/research-top-programmes.html

NeverFeltBetter

06/11/2013, 9:28 AM

Hmm...http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/1106/484908-utv-channel/

Something to think about?

nigel-harps1954

06/11/2013, 11:14 AM

Hmm...http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/1106/484908-utv-channel/

Something to think about?

Interesting. They would give results from time to time and I've seen the odd bit of goals and the like from League of Ireland games on the sports news. They don't give much in the way of coverage to the Irish league though. But definitely food for thought.

A N Mouse

06/11/2013, 12:05 PM

Does anyone know how to check the ratings of the shows that RTE broadbast? Be interesting to see 7pm Monday v Tuesday -> Sunday.

Neilsen have breakdown of viewership - no sign of individusl programs (http://www.agbnielsen.net/whereweare/dynPage.asp?lang=english&id=393&country=Ireland)

Rte actully have a page on aertel (http://www.rte.ie/aertel/desktopxhtml/348-2.html)

This crowd have top ten for each channel, without numbers (cup final just made top ten) (http://www.tamireland.ie/tv/top-programmes)

No immediate sign of greater detail

adamd164

09/11/2013, 10:33 AM

From the article about the new UTV channel:

CEO of TV3 David McRedmond said TV3 will continue with its strategy of focusing more on home-produced programming.

He said programmes such as Coronation Street were becoming more expensive and that this development will free up more money to be spent on TV3 production and commissioning.

Maybe TV3 can be convinced to throw together a highlights package.

gufcfan

09/11/2013, 4:49 PM

New UTV channel might have a little interest in LOI, with Derry being one of the top teams, but I wouldn't put any money on them wanting any substantial coverage.

Macy

09/11/2013, 5:38 PM

From the article about the new UTV channel:

Maybe TV3 can be convinced to throw together a highlights package.
Putting a brave face on what puts tv3 in some serious difficulty.

A face

10/11/2013, 6:29 PM

New UTV channel might have a little interest in LOI, with Derry being one of the top teams, but I wouldn't put any money on them wanting any substantial coverage.

But Derry City wouldn't be the only reason they might have an interest, historically it would have been the only appeal i'd agree but if UTV is going to be making its way to every home in Ireland then that will be its audience and that's who they'll want to cater for.

Charlie Darwin

12/11/2013, 10:27 PM

But Derry City wouldn't be the only reason they might have an interest, historically it would have been the only appeal i'd agree but if UTV is going to be making its way to every home in Ireland then that will be its audience and that's who they'll want to cater for.
In that case they'll ignore LOI and concentrate on winning the Premier League highlights.

bennocelt

22/12/2013, 7:47 AM

oriel

22/12/2013, 9:37 AM

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/gavin-defiant-over-hoops-b-team-call-29857369.html

"The 'Monday Night Soccer' programme will continue, although there is no confirmation yet on a time slot. Clubs have expressed the concern that covering too many games live could affect attendances"

MNS back next season, thank Christ for that:D

Great news, thanks for posting it up, missed that in the paper. Some fans think MNS is weak but I would certainly miss it of it ended, I look forward it to every week.

Regarding live games, I don't see the benefit for this for clubs unless they are properly compensated, and I think the away side should also get something. Depending on the importance of the game, live TV will almost always effect an attendance in LOI. Cup semi finals and end of season games exempted.

Yossarian

22/12/2013, 1:36 PM

Great news, thanks for posting it up, missed that in the paper. Some fans think MNS is weak but I would certainly miss it of it ended, I look forward it to every week.

Regarding live games, I don't see the benefit for this for clubs unless they are properly compensated, and I think the away side should also get something. Depending on the importance of the game, live TV will almost always effect an attendance in LOI. Cup semi finals and end of season games exempted.

Why should away teams be compensated when they are not losing anything financially with a live game?
I do think it has an effect on attendances but I do like getting to watch a game on TV if I can't get to a game on the night.

oriel

22/12/2013, 5:30 PM

Why should away teams be compensated when they are not losing anything financially with a live game?
I do think it has an effect on attendances but I do like getting to watch a game on TV if I can't get to a game on the night.

Yeah fair point, but I think the whole live TV game compensation needs to be re-visited, for one such game last season v Cork City, we had our second lowest attendance of the season. It was a dreadful night, weather wise, over 500 less than expected turned up. That's a big loss in gate revenue.

gufcfan

22/12/2013, 7:11 PM

I'm probably wrong, but I was under the impression that no compensation was being paid any more for tv games these days?

Macy

22/12/2013, 8:30 PM

No compensation to the clubs - does that necessarily mean there's no compensation paid?

mypost

23/12/2013, 11:18 AM

So 20 live games and a weekly hour long highlights show on at 7pm is the same as a handful of live games at 30 minutes on at 10.30/11pm?

Back to this old chestnut again. "It has a prime time slot, so it's great". At the end of the evening, it's essentially still 6 musical interludes of 3 minute intervals dressed up as "coverage" and half an hour of pointless waffle. Pretty much what there was in TV3 days. If the time slot is all it has going for it, it sums up the quality of programme it is.

Would rather Setanta take it on, and do it justice. Longer coverage, better camerawork, possibly both divisions shown, no music, and repeated several times a week.

adamd164

23/12/2013, 11:21 AM

nigel-harps1954

23/12/2013, 11:46 AM

Look at it this way, if RTE are keeping on the show, given all the cuts they've made, it must be relatively successful.

Don't fix what isn't broken, because you don't miss it until its gone.

A N Mouse

23/12/2013, 11:58 AM

Would rather Setanta take it on, and do it justice. Longer coverage, better camerawork, possibly both divisions shown, no music, and repeated several times a week.

For the umpteenth feckin time - you cannot make a silk purse from a sows ear. And I'm not talking about the quality of the football.

Maybe if all the channels got together they might be able to do justice to a greater number of games each week. But as it stands the highlight packages we get are edited together from whatever the local company covering game has got. I don't think any of these has more than two cameras covering a game.

It would take a significant investment, to improve these to near the level the broadcasters themselves are capable of. Setanta may indeed be able to give more air time to it, but (unless they found buckets of cash) you'd just be getting the same 15 minute montage repated to the same music.

mypost

23/12/2013, 12:40 PM

Glad to hear it's gonna continue, while Setanta would do a better job for sure the exposure would be significantly lower... i.e. there'd be a bunch of hardcore LOI fans watching it and no one else.

Tbh, that's not much different to what happens now.

How anybody who isn't a LOI connousseur is attracted to games with no marketing, no promotion, shoddy camerawork, poor quality coverage, and littered with music, I don't know.

Setanta is widely available in this country, and handing the rights to people who have the time, the investment, and the resources to improve and enhance the coverage is a no-brainer, over a network that treats the highest standard of club football in the country as an inconvenience. The FAI tried to do that with the original Sky international deal until RTE kicked up a fuss. There would be no fuss if a LOI deal went to a different bidder.

poster

23/12/2013, 12:56 PM

Damn music.

colonelwest

23/12/2013, 1:16 PM

Remember too in the summmer RTE lost the EPL rights/ didn't keep them on or whatever and Nugent said they'd be concentrating more on domestic sports. In reality of course that means more money pumped into the GAA and boxing coverage etc but I'd be hopeful that would include improving the marketing of their LOI coverage too. What about instead of the hour long on a Monday they switched it to a 90 mins/ 2 hour Goals on Sunday like show instead? Also if Sky are interested get them to show a few games over the summer. They already show a couple of games a year from up north and with us having a summer season it fills in when they have no live football over the summer then. I've never heard anything in the news about them being approached or interested but it's a bit of a no brainer for both sides, they get cheap live football during the time they've none and the league gets some coverage on the almighty Sky Sports. Though I presume they were asked at one stage and weren't interested.

harry crumb

23/12/2013, 1:25 PM

Even with the recent cost cutting measures, RTE sport is still a bloated dept.

Not sure what they all do all week but the standards of MNS have dropped in the last 2 seasons.

Would much prefer good quality highlights programme vs increased live coverage.

Ezeikial

23/12/2013, 3:48 PM

But as it stands the highlight packages we get are edited together from whatever the local company covering game has got. I don't think any of these has more than two cameras covering a game.

For MNS filming at Oriel Park it is always a single RTE cameraman as opposed to a local contractor, and except for live broadcasts there is never a second RTE camera. I presume it is the same at every ground for MNS

Dodge

23/12/2013, 6:03 PM

Judging by quality I think local companies/ solo operators do Sligo and Derry games. RTE (single camera) do all the others bar the odd big game with 2 cameras

refjohn

23/12/2013, 8:29 PM

Judging by quality I think local companies/ solo operators do Sligo and Derry games. RTE (single camera) do all the others bar the odd big game with 2 cameras

Sligo, Derry (and Harps when applicable) covered by Online Video based in Derry. They also covered Monaghan from time to time in the past.

L.T.F.C.

23/12/2013, 10:14 PM

Hence the music.

Fivesilver

24/12/2013, 2:48 PM

Just dropping that infernal music would be an immediate and dramatic improvement. It's daft - I've never heard or seen a positive comment about it. I presume it's done by a producer with little interest in the football simply because it's 'what you do' with edited packages.

L.T.F.C.

24/12/2013, 3:30 PM

No it isn't.

There is one camera at each game. You wouldn't hear alot of the stuff going on during the game so it would seem alot worse.

Charlie Darwin

24/12/2013, 3:46 PM

I don't really get the problem with the music, I never really notice it. I assume it's there to disguise the lack of atmosphere at half the grounds in the country.

Dodge

24/12/2013, 6:44 PM

I don't really get the problem with the music, I never really notice it. I assume it's there to disguise the lack of atmosphere at half the grounds in the country.

Spot on. I honestly can't understand how anyone can have strong feelings on it one way or the other but clearly several do.

nigel-harps1954

24/12/2013, 7:33 PM

I'm not a big fan of the music, but I understand why it's there.
But what annoys me is when its badly edited so the music is too loud and overpowering.

trevy

17/01/2014, 6:07 PM

Sheridan

17/01/2014, 6:34 PM

I was reading in the Examiner today that MNS is likely to move to a later slot maybe 11 pm for the coming season. It said they were getting 15000 to 25000 viewers so that is low enough so it's not surprising Rte would want to move it from a primetime slot but it's disappointing for us LOI fans.
An interesting one for the MNS apologists on here; one of the tabloids quoted the 15,000/25,000 figure, but noted that Eircom League Weekly used to pull in 50,000 (past 11 p.m., on TV3). Shocking indictment of the MNS production team.

gufcfan

17/01/2014, 6:42 PM

An interesting one for the MNS apologists on here; one of the tabloids quoted the 15,000/25,000 figure, but noted that Eircom League Weekly used to pull in 50,000 (past 11 p.m., on TV3). Shocking indictment of the MNS production team.

Anyone else get the feeling neither of those figures are right?

Also, anecdotal but I usually watched it that night or the night after on the RT� Player.

oriel

17/01/2014, 8:25 PM

I don't think those figures are correct. I know dozens of people who watch it every week yet do not attend loi games. Sure there are 25k watching LOI every as it is, if you consider home crowds every second week, and you can bank on almost all of this figure tuning in every week.

Christ 11pm, wouldn't like that, very eircom lge weekly (tv3), sky plus job.

Yossarian

17/01/2014, 9:36 PM

Wouldn't really bother me if it was at 11. I usually record it and watch it in my own time,I think the only time I actually watch it live is when there is a cup draw.

Titan

17/01/2014, 11:14 PM

Wonder if the viewing figures include those if us who sky+ the programme?

legendz

17/01/2014, 11:56 PM

@11pm, they used to show Italian football at that time for a while. If they would look at the old Italian football highlights for inspiration they'd have a decent format for MNS.

gufcfan

18/01/2014, 12:05 AM

@11pm, they used to show Italian football at that time for a while. If they would look at the old Italian football highlights for inspiration they'd have a decent format for MNS.

Record Mick Wallace shouting "golazzzzzzzzzzzzzzo" for the opening credits and you're golden.

outspoken

19/01/2014, 10:16 AM

I never watch MNS at 7 anyway always a sky+ job for me so wouldn't be overly bothered about it. At least we still have some sort of highlights as poor as they are.

Neish

19/01/2014, 12:30 PM

I'd be happy as long as there is a program and its not at ridiculous time but anything between 7pm-11:30pm would be fine by me. Ideally I would prefer just a sample highlights package and none of the talk. But then what are the likes of Pat Dolan & Richie Sadlier going to do? The music is a bit corny but its there for a reason so it doesn't really bother me