Who's Gonna Win FAI Junior Cup 2004/05

[Supersub]

the fai 7th rd draw is
1. pike/ballymun/bath v west utd
2. tramore v killester
3. waterford crst. v salthill devon
4. rosegreen v galway hibs
5. carew v trim celtic
6. park rangersv evergreen
7. ballananty v granville
8 vec/peake villa v bellurgan.


as u can see some very interesting and hard to call matches
home draw for pike side of draw should make them favs
all the others seem very difficult to call. except for carew and ballananty who should also be favs any comments? anyone ........?

Lads ,just took closer look at the draw Will posted... Pike are actually at home to Westport & Balla are at home to West Utd !!!!

[CousinSylDolan]

there are three galway league teams left in the last sixteen galway hibs,salthill devon and west utd,the cup could be going shannonside allright just a little west of it.
Tramore of the waterford are also a good junior side managed by alfie hale they have a couple of experienced ex waterford utd players.
EVERGEEN of kilkenny are a strong side having just come back from intermediate football. so there's no sure thing that the cup is going to stay in limerick


Lads,

When did Evergreen re-join junior football. Anyone know much about them. I originally thought it was a good draw for Park but might be tougher then they think.

Balla have a handy one. They will beat West easily. West have not met anyone withe real Junior cup quality yet.
Carew will also go thru to the last 8. I cant imagine Trim being any test for them...

[Supersub]

Evergreen came back into Junior Football this season. It will be a very tough one for Park and this may be the end of their cup hopes for another year!

Trim will be a good side so I wouldn't take them for granted. Carew will be a tough place for them to go to though!!!

[Van The Man]

As you mentioned I didn't see Peake Villa or Park Rangers in the odds for the Junior Cup.

Having a look at the draw last nite, VEC/Peake Villa at home to Bellurgan, if Peake can get over VEC next weekend I wonder will the odds change, or will they even give them odds.

Park at home to Evergreen, tough one for Park, but home advantage must count for something. Will be a close one.

[Supersub]

It is actually Ladbrokes that are giving those odds(Aertel page 283) and if you look at the bottom of the quote you will see that they mention"all quoted". They have quoted 16 teams but obviously have not done their homework properly i.e. there are 2 6th rounds ties still to be played !!

Good story if either of the two "unquoted" sides go on to win!! Might have a few quid on them both !!!!

[wilhelm2]

apologies for mixed up for pike and balla draws as i was getting draw on mobile as draw was on.
very interesting the leagues in which teams from last 16 are from.
3 from galway
4 from limerick
2 each from waterford and south tipp. no cork and one definite dublin although can become three.

looks like winning the munster junior cup could possibly be the second hardest junior comp to win.

my predictions for last 8 are:
1. pike rvs
2. Tramore
3 Waterford crystal
4. Galway hibs
5 carew pk
6 evergreen
7 ballananty
8. bellurgan

[CousinSylDolan]

This appeal is being heard at 5pm this evening (Monday) in Dublin....
Clubs will be notified of the result on Thurs next....

[clownboy]

apologies for mixed up for pike and balla draws as i was getting draw on mobile as draw was on.
very interesting the leagues in which teams from last 16 are from.
3 from galway
4 from limerick
2 each from waterford and south tipp. no cork and one definite dublin although can become three.

looks like winning the munster junior cup could possibly be the second hardest junior comp to win.

my predictions for last 8 are:
1. pike rvs
2. Tramore
3 Waterford crystal
4. Galway hibs
5 carew pk
6 evergreen
7 ballananty
8. bellurgan

I reckon last 8 will be

1.Ballymun if they get back in if not Pike
2.Killester aet against Tramore
3.Salthill Devon
4.Galway Hibs
5.Carew
6.Park
7.Balla
8.Peakevilla

[Supersub]

Lads. Were Peakevilla down to play VEC yesterday ?? If so does anyone know the result????

[wilhelm2]

vec v peake villa on next saturday 27th in terenure

[wilhelm2]

looking at odds for fai junior according to ladbrokes ballymun are favs @4-1
while pike and balla are 5-1. since ballymun are not past the last 64 yet, pike are still at last 32 stage. balla with good home draw in the last 16 must now be favourites !!!!!!!!?????

[The Gaffer]

Any update on the Ballymun case

[CousinSylDolan]

Any update on the Ballymun case

Clubs will not be told of outcome until tomorrow but rumours circulating that Ballymun have lost the appeal and are now going to bring the case to court.
Not sure how true this is and have not heard for definite but I suppose we will know a lot more tomorrow.

Park Rangers vs Evergreen has been re-fixed for the 13th of Feburary as Park Rangers had requested no game on the 6th cos some players are away that weekend.

[LFC in Exile]

Any Update On Granville Objection ?
Will They Succeed ?

Don't think they will succeed - as Gaffer pointed out earlier. I think it would be unfair on Crystal if the appeal was successful. If you have two objections against a player thrown out I think you can take it for granted that he can play in the next game. There was no reason for Crystal to think that playing this player was a problem having twice been told that he was okay. Itsd not this guy appeared out of the blue. Granville should take their beating. :ball:

[backodanet]

they might have a chance because the reason the previous appeals were thrown out was because they were not done properly
think carrick were too late and east end paid incorrectly

[Van The Man]

Park Rangers vs Evergreen has been re-fixed for the 13th of Feburary as Park Rangers had requested no game on the 6th cos some players are away that weekend.

Just a quick note of the above. It's nice to know that the FAI can facilitate some players that are "away that weekend".

I'm sure if that was the case that any club who had a fixture and a "top player" away could they ask the FAI to postpone the fixture till another date ?

No disrespect to Park or Evergreen but if we were to postpone everygame that someone was missing, would the FINAL ever be played ??

[guvnor]

Park Rangers vs Evergreen has been re-fixed for the 13th of Feburary as Park Rangers had requested no game on the 6th cos some players are away that weekend.

Just a quick note of the above. It's nice to know that the FAI can facilitate some players that are "away that weekend".

I'm sure if that was the case that any club who had a fixture and a "top player" away could they ask the FAI to postpone the fixture till another date ?

No disrespect to Park or Evergreen but if we were to postpone everygame that someone was missing, would the FINAL ever be played ??



I just want to point out that Park rangers had requested the weekend of the 6 of feb to be free along time before they thought they would be in the last 16 against a good side like evergreen with the limerick league. The reason being that Park rgs are not just missing 1 player but quiet a few and a member of management so I think you might agree Van the Man that Park deserves every chance of getting to the last 8 and I think if this request has been put in along time ago, it should be facilitated. This request is not a major hold up for the competition unlike teams who are protesting their defeats.

[CousinSylDolan]

Park Rangers vs Evergreen has been re-fixed for the 13th of Feburary as Park Rangers had requested no game on the 6th cos some players are away that weekend.

Just a quick note of the above. It's nice to know that the FAI can facilitate some players that are "away that weekend".

I'm sure if that was the case that any club who had a fixture and a "top player" away could they ask the FAI to postpone the fixture till another date ?

No disrespect to Park or Evergreen but if we were to postpone everygame that someone was missing, would the FINAL ever be played ??

Park Rangers or any junior club are not professional footballers. If they had a few players with other plans for the weekend of the 6th of Feb they are entitled to book a free weekend. As far as I'm aware Park had this weekend booked off well in advance of this week with a letter direct to the Fai and also the LDMC.

I think you might find that the Park/Evergreen Rd 7 game will be played long before the Pike/Ballymun/Bath Rd 7 game and in no will will hold up the final. From what I hear from Dublin this morning the 'Mun saga could yet go to court which seems crazy....

[CousinSylDolan]

This has just been posted on the Ballymun website by their chairman Bernard O'Connor. Pike are at home to Bath on Sunday unless Mun go to court.


The Appeal Board have rejected the appeal of Ballymun United and have supported the Junior Council's decision.
Ballymun United will sit down over the next 24hrs and decide where we take it from here.
Judicial Review is more then a possibility.
I as the football secretary of this club will now offer my resignation to the committee of this club.
I as a member of the Centenary Committee of the AUL will submit my resignation to the President of the League.
I WILL NOT however accept that it is OK to lie, that it is acceptable to submit uncertified copies of minutes which contain lies (The FAI need to look up FIFA Statutues in regard to certified copies).When I asked that the minutes be "certified" as a true copy of minutes taken at the protest hearing, the reply given was " a come on your not saying that these are false as well", well yes I AM. I will never accept forged documents, people can bury their head in the sand and pretend nothing is wrong with the actions of members of the junior council but I will not. The FAI need to look at the implications of this decision, for in essence they are saying and compounding the fact that it is alright to forge a players signature on a registration form. Ironic that the CEO came out on National TV and said the reason many of the Eircom League clubs failed to get the UEFA "A" Licence was down to administrative problems keeping copies instead of originals. Well Mr Delaney you appointed an Appeal Board who not only supported copies and fax's BUT FORGED ONE's.
A Full and factual statement with support evidence will be given to the National Papers and you can make your own mind up.

I find it both ironic and a smack in the face personnally from the FAI that on the day of our Appeal they release the venue for the next Amateur International - ARMAGH CITY. Of course they will tell you it was'nt us, the IFA picked the venue, well of course they did lad's.

If we do decide in the interest of other AUL clubs to withdraw from this:- then I would like to wish both Bellurgan and Killester United the very best of luck in the competition, I would also like to wish Bath Rangers the best of luck in Limerick, if we do not go for Judicial Review, I will say however we have evidence from the IFA that you did not receive the forged registration form, from their office's, and it would be in the interest of everyone involved in football to state exactly where you did get, I cannot accept that from now on evidence handed under the table either in a pub or workplace is the basis of,and accepted by the FAI who run football in this country, a protest.
Finally I would like to apologise to the players and supporters of this club "for not playing the game". Stephen Hanna is not only a respected player but in my mind an individual who I trust wholeheartly,people serving on the junior council should take a leaf from his book,he has been totally honest in all of this and because of it you believe you have punished us, never, we will come back stronger and a better club for it, for we now know where the real dangers lie, in all of this" they(junior council)said you's broke the rules. What are the FIFA rules on the actions of council members, the qourum of council meetings, proper procedure in notifying clubs of protest's, should it be by txt message on Xmas Eve, should registered letters that end up in a StockBrockers and sent to the FAI by Courier be acceptable.You lied when you said you handed me the forged registration form in the room, if the members of Bath Rgrs are
honourable they will say they seen you hand to me on the stairs when I was leaving the building. You lied when you said the copy of the registration form was sent down on the 15th December,IT WAS NEVER SENT DOWN,do you not accept the evidence that we submitted from the IFA that said it was never requested in the first place, of course you don't.

[Van The Man]

I just want to point out that Park rangers had requested the weekend of the 6 of feb to be free along time before they thought they would be in the last 16 against a good side like evergreen with the limerick league. The reason being that Park rgs are not just missing 1 player but quiet a few and a member of management so I think you might agree Van the Man that Park deserves every chance of getting to the last 8 and I think if this request has been put in along time ago, it should be facilitated. This request is not a major hold up for the competition unlike teams who are protesting their defeats.

i understand what your saying, it was just an observation on my behalf.

[Supersub]

In one way it is good that Parks match is on the week after. Although it was great that all Limerick sides got home draws it is difficult to be in four places at once!!!

At least this way the people who are interested in watching the locals sides in the National Cup will be able to watch a couple of the last 16 gameson consecutive Sundays.

It will also help whoever gets Evergreen in the draw(sorry Park or Evergreen!!) as they will be able to go out and watch them that weekend!!!!

Should be a great match ... What odds 4 LK teams in the last 8?????

[Van The Man]

At this stage of the competition it would be hard for anyone to guess the outcome of the last 8. This years competition is full of surprises.

But I can see Kilkenny / Limerick / Waterford & South Tipp been represented in the last 8.

But who knows !

[wilhelm2]

At this stage of the competition it would be hard for anyone to guess the outcome of the last 8. This years competition is full of surprises.

But I can see Kilkenny / Limerick / Waterford & South Tipp been represented in the last 8.

But who knows !



peake villa to beat vec this saturday, will be close but if dublin officals give country team fair shake, villa to come through to 7th round

[Supersub]

Anyone know if the Pike game is going ahead this weekend or are Ballymun going to seek an injunction to stop the game taking place ???

[CousinSylDolan]

Rumours are ripe that Ballymun are seeking an injunction. I'm only going by the Mun website though and I'm not sure is it true or not...

Joke at this stage!!!!!!!!!!!

[Van The Man]

peake villa to beat vec this saturday, will be close but if dublin officals give country team fair shake, villa to come through to 7th round

Yea reckon so myself, i think they are good enough to beat VEC, but as you know yourself, Cup football is all on the day.

Mind you the winners have one of the better draws in the next round. Bellurgan at home. So that should get the twos teams fired-up for this fixture.

Will travel out there myself tomorrow and have a look at that one.

[Larry 'da' Wyse]

Will go along to the VEC game too - should be good. Shold be able to post the score on the board after the game.

[Van The Man]

Will go along to the VEC game too - should be good. Shold be able to post the score on the board after the game.


Final Whistle just blown, Peake Villa bet VEC 1-0.

Peake Villa V Bellugran in next round. This wouldn't be new ground for Peake Villa as they had got to this stage before and are well used to it.

They should be favourites against Bellurgan at home next Sunday I think.

[Larry 'da' Wyse]

Thought Villa deserved the win - the heavy pitch didn't help to make it a rgeat game but then all pitches are poor this time of year.

Good sporting game though and bet PV are happy to get a home draw in the next round.

[LFC in Exile]

Heard that Granville's objection was turned down. Hardly surprising given that the previous two teams that Waterford Crystal knocked out also had the same objections thrown out.

[Van The Man]

These are the fixtures down for decision this weekend.

6th Round
Pike V Bath Rangers

7th Round
Tramore V Killester
Rosegreen V Galway Hibs
Ballynanty V West Utd (to be confirmed)
Waterford Crystal V Salthill Devons (provisional)
Peake Villa V Bellurgan F.C.


If these game go ahead as planned, I fancy Pike, Tramore, Galway Hibs, Ballynanty, Waterford Crystal and Peake Villa.

Mind you I have seen Rosegreen from Tipp South's field before and I wouldn't fancy playing there, it's a soccer field played across a hurling field....so Rosegreen have a good advantage even though I'll go for Hibs in this one.

[Terry]

Mind you I have seen Rosegreen from Tipp South's field before and I wouldn't fancy playing there, it's a soccer field played across a hurling field....so Rosegreen have a good advantage even though I'll go for Hibs in this one.

Hibs play on a soccer pitch lying across a bog !! :)

[Van The Man]

Hibs play on a soccer pitch lying across a bog !! :)

Rosegreen's pitch might suit them so !

[balls]

rosegreens preparation hasnt been great loosing there last two games but i have a funny feeling they ll click on sunday.They have some very good young players but also have very experienced players at the back and midfield. they are very hard to beat at home and even though the pitch is a gaa field its actually not a bad pitch.an interesting fact about rosegreen is that they only reentered tipp league 5 years ago. they went from bottom to top division in successive seasons and are now in premier division in south tipp league

[Van The Man]

rosegreens preparation hasnt been great loosing there last two games but i have a funny feeling they ll click on sunday.They have some very good young players but also have very experienced players at the back and midfield. they are very hard to beat at home and even though the pitch is a gaa field its actually not a bad pitch.an interesting fact about rosegreen is that they only reentered tipp league 5 years ago. they went from bottom to top division in successive seasons and are now in premier division in south tipp league

I see they have a few ex-peake villa players on their squad as well.

[wilhelm2]

rosegreens preparation hasnt been great loosing there last two games but i have a funny feeling they ll click on sunday.They have some very good young players but also have very experienced players at the back and midfield. they are very hard to beat at home and even though the pitch is a gaa field its actually not a bad pitch.an interesting fact about rosegreen is that they only reentered tipp league 5 years ago. they went from bottom to top division in successive seasons and are now in premier division in south tipp league



they might have gone from bottom to top iin successive seasons and are also in last 16 of fai junior but the are in serious relegation dogfight????

[wilhelm2]

I see they have a few ex-peake villa players on their squad as well.



Whats new? clonmel town ,st michaels two mile borris, cashel town,
cormackstown, blackcastle have all a few ex peake villa players in
there team

[Larry 'da' Wyse]

Any results in yetfrom the weekend?

[balls]

peake villa beaten on pens by bellurgan. rosegreen beaten 0-1 by galway hibs. ballananty won 2-0. waterford crystal also won 2-0 i think. killester through to last 8 aswell

[irisheagle]

peake villa beaten on pens by bellurgan. rosegreen beaten 0-1 by galway hibs. ballananty won 2-0. waterford crystal also won 2-0 i think. killester through to last 8 aswell

Yes Crystal won 2-0, Kilester won via an injury time penalty.

Killester
Galway Hibs
Ballynanty
Waterford Crystal
Bellurgan F.C.

None of them anything to write home about, its wide open this year. The teams still standing will never get a better oppertunity to win this competation. Home quarter final draws will be decisive in all four games.

[The Gaffer]

When is the draw taking place???

[joeSoap]

Pike Rovers beat Bath Rangers....at last....3-0. They now play Westport next week at home for a place in the last 8. They still have to concede a goal in the competition.

[backodanet]

was it handy for pike yesterday

Balla won handy should have been a few up before they scored never really troubled by a poor west utd side

[The Gaffer]

Anyone know the result of Carew Park v Trim and Park Rangers v Evergeen???

[guvnor]

Anyone know the result of Carew Park v Trim and Park Rangers v Evergeen???

Both these games are down for decision next weekend...Park rangers are showing poor form in their last 2 games..they have had two 1-1 draws against Charleville and Abbey - both away games, and no disrespect to both of those teams but Park should be winning these games if they fancy there chances in any cup this season..But as they say cup football is all on the day and I would fancy Park and Carew to win these games

[widow]

was it handy for pike yesterday

Balla won handy should have been a few up before they scored never really troubled by a poor west utd side
was at the pike game yesterday, bath were poor enough but put up a good fight, they never really troubled pike at all, pike seemed to step up a gear at the start of the second half, scored two quick goals and it was game over after that, going to take a good side to knock pike out, they must be favourites now

[widow]

anyone know anything about westport?

[irisheagle]

Carew Park, Trim, Park Rangers and Evergeen all poor sides. Saw Evergreen yesterday they were beaten by Freebooters in Kilkenny. Whoever gets the winner of Park Rangers and Evergeen in the quarter final will have a handy one. Balla, Pike and crystal all very good home teams. Crystal only beaten once this season, that was by Carrick in the Munster Jnr. Cup.

[backodanet]

Wesport are the top team in Mayo they play summer soccer so all they have been playing in the last few months is fai or provincial cup they beat a cork side away from home last round 3 - 1 i think
castlebar who where beaten handy in end 3 - 1 by balla are the second team in Mayo
Westport also beat balla a few years ago at home in the FAI 1 nil balla were all over them but couldn't score......... think westport are stronger now
Can't see them beating pike away

[guvnor]

Carew Park, Trim, Park Rangers and Evergeen all poor sides. Saw Evergreen yesterday they were beaten by Freebooters in Kilkenny. Whoever gets the winner of Park Rangers and Evergeen in the quarter final will have a handy one. Balla, Pike and crystal all very good home teams. Crystal only beaten once this season, that was by Carrick in the Munster Jnr. Cup.

Park Rangers will prove to be a good cup team this yr in all cup competitions as will CAREW PARK..Both teams can be very strong on their day and thats what cup football is - all on the day. Park have lost 1 game all season in 90 mins of football and lost on penos to j'boro in mjc and not conceded too many goals so dont see how they will be an easy tie for any team. Im sure evergreen are a strong outfit also - there not in the last 16 for nothing.