Jeff Hendrick M Derby County b.1992

[geysir]

Sh!t happens sometimes is all I mean, especially when young people, in particular, are fuelled with alcohol. It doesn't mean they're intrinsically bad or set out to do harm. Obviously if he's found guilty he'll get whatever punishment the court decides, but that will be that as far as I'm concerned.
I'd say so too.
And the court has been very touchy feely sensitive to Stokes' football occupation, ahead of the interests of the alleged victim.
But I suppose if you imitate Elvis, you got to take the punches.

[DeLorean]

But a scuffle it wasn't.


It seems a lot more serious than a scuffle.

Lads, I used the word scuffle. I wasn't saying it was just a scuffle, I was saying that scuffles can spiral out of control with a lot of alcohol consumed, that things can happen that nobody intended initially. I obviously didn't explain this very well originally but I've explained it since. Nobody is saying it was just a scuffle.


Everyone can make a mistake, especially when drink is involved.

That's pretty much what I meant.

[DeLorean]

Delorean, not sure which post this was on, you can call it lazy, but the Jamie Vardys are the exceptions, I am not saying something so radical as it not to be believed or uncommon. Hendrick is playing Division 1 for the last few years, and that doesn't look like its going to change this year unless Derby promote themselves. Its simple logic, the cream rises to the top. YOu call the lazy, i call it natural progression.

Harry Arter was the example I used, not Jamie Vardy. I don't think Arter stories are that exceptional, most of the Bournemouth team have acquitted themselves well at a higher level. All I'm saying is that Hendrick is probably capable of that too.

[paul_oshea]

Harry Arter has been a mainstay of that team for a long time now though. Hendrick hasn't.

[Closed Account]

Innocent or guilty it shouldn't affect the right of MON to select him on this occasion.
Just to expand on my opinion of it, guilty or innocent, I don't think either should veto Martin O'Neills choice on whether to call him up or not. But the whole situation should have an effect on whether Martin thinks it's a good idea to call him up. FAI/Media/Supporters opinions should have no influence, just what's right for the Squad, the player, and the teams chances. Anyway, I don't want to sweep the whole thing under the carpet, nor do I think we should make a big deal of it. Judgement should be reserved until, well, judgement.

[DeLorean]

Harry Arter has been a mainstay of that team for a long time now though. Hendrick hasn't.

When Arter was Hendrick's age he was a mainstay in League 1. Hendrick has played over 200 games since making his debut five years ago. That's an average of 40 appearances per year. He's picked up a fair few injuries and has been out of favour here and there, but for the most part he's been a regular starter and important part of their team. Anyway, the point was that if Bournemouth didn't get promoted and Arter was still a Championship footballer, would you hold it against him, saying the cream comes to the top, if he was any good why aren't other clubs trying to sign him?, etc., etc.

All that said, it is going to be tough for Hendrick to get back into the Derby team short-term when he recovers from his latest injury. They've had a couple of good wins in his absence and Hughes and Bryson are over their injuries.

I'm not even sure what we're discussing any more to be honest. I can't remember if you're saying he's not capable of playing in the PL, or that he wouldn't be a regular in the PL, or that he wouldn't be star in the PL, or what!

[Olé Olé]

I think it's a bit more serious than being provoked and slapping someone.

He instigated the fight, he dragged the - unwilling - participant out of a taxi and cowardly battered him with his mates.

He should get a small prison sentence but this is Ireland, you can glass someone on your 68th occasion before the courts and you will just get another suspended sentence.

Judge, jury and executioner.

[Eminence Grise]

Might be no harm to tone down the reporting of allegations as fact. Especially the more colourful ones. There's been a bit of sailing too close to the libel laws over the last couple of pages.

[SkStu]

Don't feed the troll lads.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Hey, what I have said is public record. It's what several impartial witnesses have brought into record. I am not saying the lad should be punished by his club or national team - simply the law; same for everyone.

[Charlie Darwin]

Hey, what I have said is public record. It's what several impartial witnesses have brought into record. I am not saying the lad should be punished by his club or national team - simply the law; same for everyone.
What you've said is to repeat allegations as fact. It's out of line and potentially defamatory in any context. And given dahamsta runs this site from his own pocket, I think it's very bad form to say anything which has the potential to bring him into legal trouble.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

It is public record. This isn't rag gossip. It has been brought as evidence. If what you're saying is the case, the matter shouldn't be discussed at all really. I think it's fair game.

[Charlie Darwin]

It's reported court testimony. It's not fact.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

What happened to my last comment? Did I accidentally delete it when I was trying to edit it? Idk I am drunk right now tbh. The truth will out!

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Charlie, then why talk about it at all if.it's just conjecture? Maybe there was no.confrontation at all?

[Charlie Darwin]

Charlie, then why talk about it at all if.it's just conjecture? Maybe there was no.confrontation at all?
Don't be silly. The court testimony has been reported by a newspaper in line with legal guidelines. You've chosen to ignore those legal guidelines and assert that testimony as fact, and in doing so could expose the owner of this site to severe financial repurcussions. I think you should be very careful about abusing the trust he places in the users of this forum.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Okay I won't talk about it any more because of the road it's going down but I don't see what's so different between this and your implying Seamus McDonagh is the reason Stephen Henderson is not getting called up to the Irish team with little or no basis in fact.

There is as much chance of you getting sued by McDonagh for that than there is of Foot.ie getting in trouble for my reciting of court testimony from a dozen witnesses.

It's not like I'm repeating second-hand allegations for Gods sake.

[tetsujin1979]

there has been legal action taken against forums in Ireland, including foot.ie, in the past because of posts

[Charlie Darwin]

Okay I won't talk about it any more because of the road it's going down but I don't see what's so different between this and your implying Seamus McDonagh is the reason Stephen Henderson is not getting called up to the Irish team with little or no basis in fact.

There is as much chance of you getting sued by McDonagh for that than there is of Foot.ie getting in trouble for my reciting of court testimony from a dozen witnesses.

It's not like I'm repeating second-hand allegations for Gods sake.
The difference is that there's nothing slanderous or otherwise about suggesting a player's coach is the reason why he's not being selected.

In fact, I'd go so far as saying Ireland goalkeeping coach Seamus McDonagh has a big role in the selection of all Ireland's goalkeepers.

[tetsujin1979]

Jeff Hendrick on choosing soccer over Gaelic and Martin O’Neill’s magic touch: http://irishpost.co.uk/interview-jeff-hendrick-choosing-soccer-gaelic-martin-oneills-magic-touch/

[DeLorean]

Hendrick was back in court yesterday - breakingnews.ie (http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/football-star-jeff-hendrick-returned-for-trial-in-dublin-731658.html)


Mr Hendrick and his co-defendant appeared again at the district court today where they were served with books of evidence.

Judge John King told them that if they intended to rely on alibis they must inform the prosecution within 14 days.

Mr Hendrick and his co-defendant both replied “yeah” when asked if they understood.

Judge King made an order sending them forward to the Dublin Circuit Criminal Court where they will face a jury trial.

They will face their next hearing on June 6 – a week before the Republic of Ireland play their first match, against Sweden, in the UEFA European Championships. New trial dates will be set.

[DeLorean]

From dcfc.co.uk (http://mobile.dcfc.co.uk/news/article/preview-brighton-hove-albion-a-3085181.aspx)


Johnson's fellow midfielder Jeff Hendrick remains on course to be fit for the play-offs.

"Hopefully, Jeff will be back in training next week," added Wassall.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

I imagine Arter would have a good chance of replacing Hendrick in the event he were not to make it.

Gibson and Whelan probably can't play in the same team.

[DeLorean]

Probably not, but I think Gibson is the best bet to replace Whelan if he picked up a knock or was even playing really poorly. I like Arter but I'm not sure a major championship is the best time to get a feel for international football. Give him a good run against The Netherlands and take it from there I suppose.

[Stuttgart88]

I'm not disagreeing with TOWK for the sake of it but I'd quite like a deep lying pair of Wheland and Gibson, with Hendrick and McClean wide, and Arter and Hoolahan further forward. Won't happen as it'd require only picking one of Long or Walters and dropping McCarthy. Nor would I consider it as a first choice, but I think they are more compatible than people may think.

FYI, I think Arter should make the trip and I'm really warming to Byrne. Harsh, but maybe mcGeady should be left at home.

[DeLorean]

Hendrick could be back in contention for the weekend. It will be a tough ask to get back in the side given the run they've been on but good to have him fit again anyway from our point of view.


Bradley and Jeff both did a full session with the first team.
We are very pleased with them and we'll see how they react.
If they are OK and train again on Friday, they will certainly be available for selection.

dcfc.co.uk (http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/Final-countdown-Darren-Wassall-weighs-Derby/story-29228178-detail/story.html)

[DeLorean]

Makes the Derby bench today.

[tetsujin1979]

from http://www.football365.com/news/picking-out-some-euro-2016-young-stars

Facing stronger opposition in the group stages is another shielding midfielder, even if Ireland and Derby’s Jeff Hendrick also carries a goal threat. Following strong performances by Harry Arter and Stephen Quinn in last Friday’s friendly international against the Netherlands, positions in the Irish midfield have never been so fiercely contested. Hendrick has been trusted throughout the qualifiers however, and has impressed Martin O’Neill with his discipline and tactical intelligence. Despite plying his trade in the Championship, Hendrick has both the mobility and tenacity that can often be missing in the Irish middle third.
Such attributes bode well for games against higher-quality opposition, where Hendrick has the ability to break up play and move the ball well further forward. Having played more minutes than all but a few first-team regulars – Jon Walters, John O’Shea and Robbie Brady – in the qualifiers, we are sure to see plenty of Hendrick in action in France this summer, where managers and scouts may also decide he has the necessary qualities for top-flight football.

[geysir]

another "shielding midfielder"

What does that mean in Hendrick's case?

A holding midfielder?
Not a fully fledged holding midfielder as such, more versatile but can shield defensively by winning the ball at CM?
or a midfielder who can shield the ball well?

[tetsujin1979]

I don't know, could be any of those. Maybe ask the author?

[DeLorean]

Hendrick's emergence in this campaign has definitely helped McCarthy and Whelan in making us more solid. I agree with all of the points about mobility, tenacity and tactical awareness but I'm not sure that 'shielding midfielder' is the right term for him, only if it actually means that he's shielding his full back or the actual holding midfielder(s).

In the context of that article he seems to indicate that Hendrick is "another" holding or defensive midfielder, as he was writing about Portugal's holding midfield options previously. The fact that the majority of Hendrick's work for us has been, and probably will continue to be, of a defensive nature, I suppose his overriding point is solid enough.

[tricky_colour]

another "shielding midfielder"

What does that mean in Hendrick's case?

A holding midfielder?
Not a fully fledged holding midfielder as such, more versatile but can shield defensively by winning the ball at CM?
or a midfielder who can shield the ball well?

Maybe he is so bad he shields other midfielders from criticism?

Although I thought that was Gibson's and Whelan's job.

[jbyrne]

its being reported that derby have rejected a £3m bid from burnley for hendrick

[DeLorean]

Middlesbrough and Fulham the other clubs mentioned as being interested. Nothing to get too excited about outside of the prospect of PL football for a season (at least). £3m was never going to cut it though, a ridiculous offer given Derby are under no pressure to sell.

[sadloserkid]

He was linked with Crystal Palace over the weekend too. That could be a good move for him if it came off.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

So... Burnley are the only team to make a bid. £3m. Which they subsequently increased. For Dale Stephens.

Pretty disheartening but expected.

Sean Dyche already signed Stephen Ward as a Premier League player.

Burnley, Hull, Sunderland, West Brom and Stoke are the only teams I could picture an Irish player signing for, and if reports are to be believed, Sam Allardyce will be taking over the England job.

There are seemingly only two options for Irish players: move laterally from an upwardly mobile Championship team to a Premier League team fighting for survival, or get lucky and hope Tony Pulis signs you.

The only way an Irish player plays under a foreign manager in the PL these days is if they are already at the club. Unless you are playing under Roberto Martinez. And he's practically British anyways.

The more money in the PL, the more foreign managers and the more foreign players, the less opportunities for Irish players.

Two options. Stay in the Championship or start considering opportunities on the continent.

Of course it doesn't help that inflated transfer fees seem to be the norm for every player who isn't Irish. At which the buck stops.

[DeLorean]

Burnley appear to have doubled their bid to £6.2m. (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/burnley-launch-improved-6million-bid-8422729)

[paul_oshea]

I think 6 to 10 million is a fair play for him.

I think Burnley will get him and he will finally get the move to PL. I hope Brady gets his move, if for nothing else that Oneill can no longer be saying we are a team mainly made up for Championship players.

[Kingdom]

I'd love to know what offers exactly are on the table when stuff like this gets to the media.
Is it a case of "Burnley are the only ones interested" or "Burnley are the only ones interested that we'd consider". Don't get me wrong, I don't think there will be offers from Dortmund Valencia or Marseille on the table, but I'd love to know if there is ever any continental interest, or do the players ever suggest to their agents they'd be open to a move to a continental league.

Hendrick looks to be the type of player who would flourish in a French or German league, more than a Meyler or Quinn type per se.

[DeLorean]

I think 6 to 10 million is a fair play for him.

I think Burnley will get him and he will finally get the move to PL. I hope Brady gets his move, if for nothing else that Oneill can no longer be saying we are a team mainly made up for Championship players.

It's been a long three months, eh Paul? :)


I never got the thing about him moving up myself I didn't see anyone coming in for him unless he managed to get promoted with a team from Division 1.

[paul_oshea]

you changed my didnt :).

And nobody expected him to have the campaign or play like he did, I am gladly wrong, I hope its not just a couple of one off games though - as a lot of Derby fans suggest is the problem with him. And the Belgium game even a half against Sweden suggested it could be.

Come back and paste that when he is in the PL :D

[DeLorean]

I'm not sure I even want him to go to Burnley but I suppose he would have a decent chance of regular game time. Derby, I think, are a bigger football club with more potential if they could just get themselves promoted. He can't wait for that forever though so maybe he needs to strike while the iron's hot.

[TrapAPony]

Derby are playoff specialists but never seem to go any further. I want him to go to Burnley. He should take this opportunity to play in the Premier League with a team where he would get regular game time with.

[Stuttgart88]

I think 6 to 10 million is a fair play for him.

I think Burnley will get him and he will finally get the move to PL. I hope Brady gets his move, if for nothing else that Oneill can no longer be saying we are a team mainly made up for Championship players.It'll take more than Hendrick to move! Team that beat Italy:
DR
SC
RK
SD
SW
JH
JMcC
RB
DM
JMcC
SL

Subs: AMcG, WH, SQ

Championship players in bold. But it's not as if Randolph, McClean, Wes and - for the moment - Brady are certain PL players.

[paul_oshea]

Delorean they have signed that Icelandic midfielder and extended the contract of another midfielder.

He will do well to get a move now.

[DeLorean]

I can't say I'd be overly disappointed if he didn't get a move to Burnley. Okay, a yo-yo club is better than a club stuck in the Championship but I could see a Robbie Brady situation this time next season but possibly without his stock being quite as high. Derby have a lot going for them and he seems very settled there. They have a manager now that should instil a bit of steel and a chairman that will back him. Burnley seem to be a very well run club but Derby have more potential in the long run I think. They've consistently the highest average attendance in the division (almost twice Burnley's average) and should really be a fairly stable Premier League team. Pearson could be the man to make that happen.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Third bid rejected. Looks like he will be staying in the Championship next season.

http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/derby-county-reject-third-bid-from-burnley-for-jeff-hendrick/story-29541109-detail/story.html

[Olé Olé]

£7m is a good price for Derby to get for a player who wasn't an undisputed starter last season. If Burnley are willing to part £7m for then Burnley are going to give him a lot of game time and in the PL. Would have been ideal from an Irish perspective.

Pearson must fancy him but it will take a big season for his stock remain as high as it is now. At that, what are the chance Derby will go up this time? Horrible division to get out of an Derby have been knocking on the door with no luck over the past few seasons.

[samhaydenjr]

£7m is a good price for Derby to get for a player who wasn't an undisputed starter last season. If Burnley are willing to part £7m for then Burnley are going to give him a lot of game time and in the PL. Would have been ideal from an Irish perspective.

Pearson must fancy him but it will take a big season for his stock remain as high as it is now. At that, what are the chance Derby will go up this time? Horrible division to get out of an Derby have been knocking on the door with no luck over the past few seasons.

Particularly this season with Villa and Newcastle going all-out to get the automatic promotion spots and return to the PL immediately

[seanfhear]

£7m is a good price for Derby to get for a player who wasn't an undisputed starter last season. If Burnley are willing to part £7m for then Burnley are going to give him a lot of game time and in the PL. Would have been ideal from an Irish perspective.

Pearson must fancy him but it will take a big season for his stock remain as high as it is now. At that, what are the chance Derby will go up this time? Horrible division to get out of an Derby have been knocking on the door with no luck over the past few seasons.Its easier if you go out the bottom end;) (To rehash that old joke)