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thomas72
08/09/2011, 8:31 PM
Fairview 2 Kilmallock 1...Doyle and Dazz scored for da View...Graeme Mulcahy got our goal...2 sent off for the view for 2nd yellow's late on...Don't know how we lost this game with all the chance's we had...Thought we desereved at least a draw if not the win..They cleared 2 off the line and their keeper had a brilliant game...
Who was sent off for fairview?
KilmallockYouth
08/09/2011, 8:36 PM
Paul Quinn and Brian Fitz(not sure who he is or if that's his name ha)...Graeme Mulcahy was superb for us tonight...Got quinn both his yellow's..!!! They couldn't handle him..!!Ball just wouldn't go in..!!
barryk
08/09/2011, 9:44 PM
Fairview 2 Kilmallock 1...Doyle and Dazz scored for da View...Graeme Mulcahy got our goal...2 sent off for the view for 2nd yellow's late on...Don't know how we lost this game with all the chance's we had...Thought we desereved at least a draw if not the win..They cleared 2 off the line and their keeper had a brilliant game...
what was Kilmallock team?
abbeyvale
08/09/2011, 9:53 PM
Pos Team P W D L F A Pts
1 Pike Rovers 7 7 0 0 34 5 21
2 Janesboro 5 5 0 0 23 7 15
3 Carew Park 6 4 0 2 15 10 12
4 Kilmallock 6 4 0 2 13 11 12
5 Ballynanty Rovers 5 3 2 0 19 8 11
6 Fairview Rgs 7 3 1 3 17 14 10
7 Regional Utd 7 3 1 3 7 11 10
8 Star Rvs 7 2 1 4 11 18 7
9 Corbally Utd 5 1 1 3 11 14 4
10 Aisling Annacotty 6 1 0 5 7 26 3
11 Wembley Rvs 7 0 2 5 6 20 2
12 Summerville Rvs 6 0 0 6 5 23 0
Results
Thur 08/09/11
Pike Rvs 3-1 Star Rvs,
Fairview Rgs 2-1 Kilmallock,
Corbally Utd P-P Janesboro,
Wembley Rvs 1-2 Carew Park,
Summerville Rvs 1-6 Ballynanty Rvs,
Regional Utd 2-1 Aisling Annacotty,
Fixtures
Sun 11/09/11 @ 10.30
Kilmallock v Pike Rvs, 10.30, J Carey
Janesboro v Star Rvs, 10.30, M Kiely
Carew Park v Fairview Rgs, 10.30, D Power
Ballynanty Rvs v Corbally Utd, 10.30, M Weldon
Regional Utd v Summerville Rvs, 10.30, R Broe
Tue 13/09/11 @ 6.15
Janesboro v Summerville Rvs, G Clancy
Aisling Annacotty v Corbally Utd, J McNamara
Ballynanty Rvs v Carew Park, D Broughton
abbeyvale
08/09/2011, 10:08 PM
Pike 3-1 Star
Pike went 1nil up after 20mins through a free header at the back post from Grant, a ball that he should never have been allowed win in the air, but that said he took his goal well.
Star levelled on the half hour mark through a well worked goal by Richie Flynn and a fine finish from outside the box.
Just on the stroke of HT the game changed for us as Tierney decides to take a dive just at the edge of the Star area (and before any Pike man comes on here to slate me, Tierney admitted the dive himself when walking away from the incident) and in fairness Eoin Hanrahan stepped up to score a cracking free kick into the top corner with no chance for 2 keepers let alone 1.
Pike had a lot of posession in the second half but in fairness didnt create much up top, and with Star trying to get an equalizer, Hanrahan broke again cut inside and played a one two and this time let fly with his right peg into the far top corner, again keeper no chance.
Overall, a decent enough performance by Star, but sad stories get you fu*k all, so onwards we move to Sunday away v Boro.
Pike: Neville, Boyle, Kavanagh, Enright, Byrnes, Hartnett, Tierney, Hanarahan, Carroll, Grant & Moloney. Res: Ahern, Mullins & E O'Donovan (missing Barry through suspension & ??)
Star: DeLoughry, Collins, Morton, K O'Doherty, Busoli, McDonnell, Flynn, B O'Doherty, Lyons, Hannon, McNamara. Res: Boland, Fitzpatrick & Collopy (missing Butler, K Clancy, D Clancy, Lonergan, Walters, Dillon, Roche & Carey)
Kuafc_4_life
08/09/2011, 10:12 PM
what was Kilmallock team?
Robbie Egan, Jason Heffernan, John Heffernan, Conor Moloney, Jake Mulcahy, Anthony Punch, Mark Hayes, Mark Heffernan, Graeme Mulcahy, Tommy Heffernan and Paul doona. Subs used Benni Bourke for Tommy, Tomas Barrett for Punch and Ger Finn for John Heffernan.
whitestripe
08/09/2011, 11:21 PM
A True Gentleman - my condolences to Pat and the McEvoy Family
hotspur
09/09/2011, 2:42 AM
Pike 3-1 Star
Pike went 1nil up after 20mins through a free header at the back post from Grant, a ball that he should never have been allowed win in the air, but that said
he took his goal well.
Star levelled on the half hour mark through a well worked goal by Richie Flynn and a fine finish from outside the box.
Just on the stroke of HT the game changed for us as Tierney decides to take a dive just at the edge of the Star area (and before any Pike man comes on here to slate me, Tierney admitted the dive himself when walking away from the incident) and in fairness Eoin Hanrahan stepped up to score a cracking free kick into the top corner with no chance for 2 keepers let alone 1.
Pike had a lot of posession in the second half but in fairness didnt create much up top, and with Star trying to get an equalizer, Hanrahan broke again cut inside and played a one two and this time let fly with his right peg into the far top corner, again keeper no chance.
Overall, a decent enough performance by Star, but sad stories get you fu*k all, so onwards we move to Sunday away v Boro.
Pike: Neville, Boyle, Kavanagh, Enright, Byrnes, Hartnett, Tierney, Hanarahan, Carroll, Grant & Moloney. Res: Ahern, Mullins & E O'Donovan (missing Barry through suspension & ??)
Star: DeLoughry, Collins, Morton, K O'Doherty, Busoli, McDonnell, Flynn, B O'Doherty, Lyons, Hannon, McNamara. Res: Boland, Fitzpatrick & Collopy (missing Butler, K Clancy, D Clancy, Lonergan, Walters, Dillon, Roche & Carey)
So if tierney hadn't taken that so called dive are you saying ye might have got something out of it?it would have a been an injustice if ye had got anything out of that game,big improvement though on the night their b team gave ye a caning,you've more sad stories,missing another 7 again tonight I see,yeve some squad,actually 8 ye were missing,squad of 22,Considine wouldn't mind that luxury,
WizardOnTheWing
09/09/2011, 6:49 AM
Wembley 1 Carew park 2, Kevin Barry 2
EVen game carew two up at half time wembley got back into it early in 2nd half with a terrible pen decision but in fairness wembley also had a pen turned down in the first half. We will take the result after two bad results last week. LAst ten mins to go and it was dark the ldmc have midweek fixtures down again for next week they need to be cancelled
Bad enough game by both teams, Carew just about deserve the win..Totally agree with the light issue, was nearly dark when game was over how can they expect games to go ahead next week.. We are not playing well at the moment and our injuries are piling up at the moment.Our 2 Centers halves are out at the moment now through injury and our squad is very bare at the moment, had 2 subs only last night and one hasnt a word of english which is fun to deal with. Hopefully we can get things right in the next few weeks when we dont have to worry about mid week games. Best of luck to Carew for the rest of the season.
Bonovox
09/09/2011, 7:13 AM
Pike 3-1 Star
Pike went 1nil up after 20mins through a free header at the back post from Grant, a ball that he should never have been allowed win in the air, but that said he took his goal well.
Star levelled on the half hour mark through a well worked goal by Richie Flynn and a fine finish from outside the box.
Just on the stroke of HT the game changed for us as Tierney decides to take a dive just at the edge of the Star area (and before any Pike man comes on here to slate me, Tierney admitted the dive himself when walking away from the incident) and in fairness Eoin Hanrahan stepped up to score a cracking free kick into the top corner with no chance for 2 keepers let alone 1.
Pike had a lot of posession in the second half but in fairness didnt create much up top, and with Star trying to get an equalizer, Hanrahan broke again cut inside and played a one two and this time let fly with his right peg into the far top corner, again keeper no chance.
Overall, a decent enough performance by Star, but sad stories get you fu*k all, so onwards we move to Sunday away v Boro.
Pike: Neville, Boyle, Kavanagh, Enright, Byrnes, Hartnett, Tierney, Hanarahan, Carroll, Grant & Moloney. Res: Ahern, Mullins & E O'Donovan (missing Barry through suspension & ??)
Star: DeLoughry, Collins, Morton, K O'Doherty, Busoli, McDonnell, Flynn, B O'Doherty, Lyons, Hannon, McNamara. Res: Boland, Fitzpatrick & Collopy (missing Butler, K Clancy, D Clancy, Lonergan, Walters, Dillon, Roche & Carey)
How come Star are missing a host of players for every single game?
prawnsandwich2
09/09/2011, 7:36 AM
Fairview 2 Kilmallock 1...Doyle and Dazz scored for da View...Graeme Mulcahy got our goal...2 sent off for the view for 2nd yellow's late on...Don't know how we lost this game with all the chance's we had...Thought we desereved at least a draw if not the win..They cleared 2 off the line and their keeper had a brilliant game...
fair summation.
fairview were the better team in the first half and went 2-0 up.
kilmallock pulled on back and had the lions share of possession and chances in the second half,but found the keeper(not for thefirst time this season) in inspired form.
pulled of save after save...
thought kilmallock panicked a bit when fairview went down to 9 men with about 12 minutes remaining.
they were creating good chances by slick passing up to that,but for some reason decided to pump balls in the box for what was left of the game.
kilmallock deserved a draw out of it...
but c.doyle(who had a fine game) had a glorious chance with about five to go but missed it.
automatic suspensions i think for fitzgerald and quinn now come in to play for the match sunday morning against carew.nto sure have the "B" team minors games on sunday but some will have to be involved because of this.
both sendings off were by no means stone wall stuff,but neither were they harsh.
seen similar go either way.
actually thought the ref had a decent game...considering what has happened in times past.
as i said earlier,was just happy that the game was on in the green and not kilmallock..could have been very different
blinkx
09/09/2011, 11:31 AM
How come Star are missing a host of players for every single game?
I was at the game last night. Big difference in Fitness. Thought Star ran out of Puff on the hour mark. At which point Pike took over complete control of the game. Star took there goal well in fairness. Alot of messing about from Pike however. Too much experimentation with players out of position. It'll be a markedly different team that will face Janesboro in the FAI, you won't have Kavanagh/Boyle playing left and right back.
Borris scored a cracking freekick. Lodging the ball right into the corner of the net. Highlight of the night.
abbeyvale
09/09/2011, 12:39 PM
So if tierney hadn't taken that so called dive are you saying ye might have got something out of it?it would have a been an injustice if ye had got anything out of that game,big improvement though on the night their b team gave ye a caning,you've more sad stories,missing another 7 again tonight I see,yeve some squad,actually 8 ye were missing,squad of 22,Considine wouldn't mind that luxury,
Never said we'd get something out of the game if the above highlighted hadnt happend, but to lose a goal bang on half time for a free that never was, is hard to take,
Re: our "caning" v the B team.............we had 2 sessions under our belt when we played the B team as our manager hadnt been appointed at that time, so wouldnt read into that too much.
As regards your last comment, I havent given any sad stories, I'm just stating the facts, we have a squad of 24 "A" players and were missing 10 last night, due to holidays, work & injury, still not complaining as you can only play 11.
abbeyvale
09/09/2011, 12:40 PM
How come Star are missing a host of players for every single game?
Every club in town misses players for midweek games for whatever reason.
abbeyvale
09/09/2011, 12:42 PM
I was at the game last night. Big difference in Fitness. Thought Star ran out of Puff on the hour mark. At which point Pike took over complete control of the game. Star took there goal well in fairness. Alot of messing about from Pike however. Too much experimentation with players out of position. It'll be a markedly different team that will face Janesboro in the FAI, you won't have Kavanagh/Boyle playing left and right back.
Borris scored a cracking freekick. Lodging the ball right into the corner of the net. Highlight of the night.
Agree, that most of our players ran out of steam in and around the hour mark.
tedd11
09/09/2011, 12:52 PM
corbally down to play aisling next tuesday at 6.15pm.with all the talk of games finishing in darkness lastnight does anybody know whether this games will be played on the new artificial surface out in annacotty under the lights?surely it would make sense rather than the possibility of lads getting a serious injury playing in the dark?
hotspur
09/09/2011, 4:00 PM
corbally down to play aisling next tuesday at 6.15pm.with all the talk of games finishing in darkness lastnight does anybody know whether this games will be played on the new artificial surface out in annacotty under the lights?surely it would make sense rather than the possibility of lads getting a serious injury playing in the dark?
I agree but i dont think LDMC care
Fairkop
09/09/2011, 10:11 PM
might depend on aisling tedd.
safe hands
09/09/2011, 11:14 PM
agree with you about it happening in the city.
m.kiely does more balla matches then anyone else..
robbie broe has played with a few clubs in town and went on to referee them.
nothing wrong with that at all.
on the down side,do not think he is up to premier league standard....that's the only reason that i would have a problem with himmr kiely has done a fair share of our matches.. granted.. against pike in bateman last year we got notting.. last 8 in the 17s fai in extra time with the wistle in his mouth to give a penelty did,nt give that would have put them in the semi's..last week gave a free to fairview last minute that made it a draw..and when the manager fliped over it he gave him a red ..so hope you dont feel we get anything off him.. ha ha god bless them all its a thankless job..
prawnsandwich2
10/09/2011, 7:46 AM
not at all...just saying that i did not think the ref in question was up to reffing at that level.
never had a problem with any ref in town,just because they had connections with clubs that they officiate from time to time.
a few people posted that he should not be doing the match because he lives out that way.
i don't agree with that notion...that's all
Football MaD
10/09/2011, 4:20 PM
Predictions for tomorow pike away win. Carew and the view a draw.the rest home wins.
Big Red
11/09/2011, 11:15 AM
Janesboro 7 - 0 Star (blown up 20mins early)
KilmallockYouth
11/09/2011, 11:29 AM
Kilmallock 1 Pike 6..1-1 at half time we were shocking in the second half..!! Some very sloppy goal's..No luck at all..!!
thomas72
11/09/2011, 11:58 AM
Carew park 2 Fairview 1, kevin barry, albert slattery,
great win for the lads this morning went one up after 25mins through kevin barry no real chances for either side in the first half. 2nd half fairview levelled from a free kick after that fairview were on top but the lads dug in and defended well and scored the winner on 84mins with a shot by albert slattery which was deflected into his owe net by view defender carew had a great chance 60secs later the finish off the game shot was dragged wide much better performance this morning 5 wins from 7 going along nicely.
theboywonder8
11/09/2011, 12:11 PM
Kilmallock 1 Pike 6..1-1 at half time we were shocking in the second half..!! Some very sloppy goal's..No luck at all..!!
You are joking now aren't you,ye were lucky it wasn't 10,how Conor moloney was left on the pitch is a mystery.ref did all he could for ye as well,pike had 80% possession at least,is the centre forward related to management,how he was left on is beyond me.class told in the end.
Second
11/09/2011, 12:21 PM
The old boy wonder is back..knocking lads who try their hardest for the love of the game and not the perks others get... You truly ain't a soccer man..
Begrudger
11/09/2011, 12:22 PM
Pike are great we get it. Why insult every poster who doesn't heap praise on pike
Begrudger
11/09/2011, 12:24 PM
The old boy wonder is back..knocking lads who try their hardest for the love of the game and not the perks others get... You truly ain't a soccer man..
Couldn't agree more
abbeyvale
11/09/2011, 12:27 PM
Janesboro 7 - 0 Star (blown up 20mins early)
Yep, no complaints, better side won handy on the day. Comments made by a Boro player after they went 5nil up was uncalled for, he has a short memory, considering Star beat the Boro home and away last season and the same player played in both games.
And for the record there was 11mins left when the ref blew it, not that it makes a difference.
That said, congrats to the Boro and if they perform like that v Pike in the FAI, it will be a great game to watch.
KilmallockYouth
11/09/2011, 12:27 PM
I said we'd no luck with the goal's we conceded...Rebound's and that didn't go our way...Nothing wrong wit the ref ye won 6-1 and still give out about him, what exaxtly did he do for us???...If Conor was sent off for any of them foul's it would of been harsh..There was nothing in any them..Pa goes down easy everyone know's it..Kilmallock matched ye untill half time..don't know what happened then they never showed up in the second and in the end Pike did win very easily and are lookin as good as ever..!!Be hard see anyone beat them..!!He was left on because we had no other sub's..!!
abbeyvale
11/09/2011, 12:36 PM
Pos Team P W D L F A Pts
1 Pike Rovers 8 8 0 0 40 6 24
2 Janesboro 6 6 0 0 30 7 18
3 Carew Park 7 5 0 2 17 11 15
4 Ballynanty Rovers 6 4 2 0 23 9 14
5 Regional Utd 8 4 1 3 11 13 13
6 Kilmallock 7 4 0 3 14 17 12
7 Fairview Rgs 8 3 1 4 18 16 10
8 Star Rvs 8 2 1 5 11 25 7
9 Corbally Utd 6 1 1 4 12 18 4
10 Aisling Annacotty 6 1 0 5 7 26 3
11 Wembley Rvs 7 0 2 5 6 20 2
12 Summerville Rvs 7 0 0 7 7 27 0
Results
Sun 11/09/11
Kilmallock 1-6 Pike Rvs,
Janesboro 7-0 Star Rvs,
Carew Park 2-1 Fairview Rgs,
Ballynanty Rvs 4-1 Corbally Utd,
Regional Utd 4-2 Summerville Rvs,
Fixtures
Tue 13/09/11 @ 6.15
Janesboro v Summerville Rvs, G Clancy
Aisling Annacotty v Corbally Utd, J McNamara
Ballynanty Rvs v Carew Park, D Broughton
Sun 18/09/11
No Prem Fixtures due to FAI.
theboywonder8
11/09/2011, 12:50 PM
The old boy wonder is back..knocking lads who try their hardest for the love of the game and not the perks others get... You truly ain't a soccer man..
Just telling it as it is.and don't be talking about what you know nothing about.they were giving it plenty all week about finally beating pike,so just keep up yere pike bashing they love it.
theboywonder8
11/09/2011, 12:52 PM
Pike are great we get it. Why insult every poster who doesn't heap praise on pike
Where did I insult the poster.he gave his opinion,I gave mine.end of story.
rooney10
11/09/2011, 1:00 PM
who scored the pike goals today??
i hope john tierneys car wasnt damaged this time around?
KilmallockYouth
11/09/2011, 1:02 PM
Just telling it as it is.and don't be talking about what you know nothing about.they were giving it plenty all week about finally beating pike,so just keep up yere pike bashing they love it.
wasn't the kilmallock lad's saying we'd beat Pike...We said we were doing well and we'd take each game as it come's..were not expecting to beat the Pike's View's and Balla's in the league we just love playing the best team's and try give a good account of ourselve's..just wanna stay premier and enjoy the game..!!
KilmallockYouth
11/09/2011, 1:03 PM
who scored the pike goals today??
i hope john tierneys car wasnt damaged this time around?
I seen him get into someone's else's today so no chance's...sad to see that happening at game's tho...Hard to see who'd be sad enough to do it..!!
Kuafc_4_life
11/09/2011, 1:07 PM
Just telling it as it is.and don't be talking about what you know nothing about.they were giving it plenty all week about finally beating pike,so just keep up yere pike bashing they love it. They were giving it loads, whos they.??? It was one person who left all those comments, and thats last years manager, whos now with a different club, no one with kilmallock said we wer going to beat pike..
rooney10
11/09/2011, 1:08 PM
was davy todd playin centre half for kilmallock today??
who scored for pike?
deadly man
11/09/2011, 1:15 PM
Pos Team P W D L F A Pts
1 Pike Rovers 8 8 0 0 40 6 24
2 Janesboro 6 6 0 0 30 7 18
3 Carew Park 7 5 0 2 17 11 15
4 Ballynanty Rovers 6 4 2 0 23 9 14
5 Regional Utd 8 4 1 3 11 13 13
6 Kilmallock 7 4 0 3 14 17 12
7 Fairview Rgs 8 3 1 4 18 16 10
8 Star Rvs 8 2 1 5 11 25 7
9 Corbally Utd 6 1 1 4 12 18 4
10 Aisling Annacotty 6 1 0 5 7 26 3
11 Wembley Rvs 7 0 2 5 6 20 2
12 Summerville Rvs 7 0 0 7 7 27 0
Results
Sun 11/09/11
Kilmallock 1-6 Pike Rvs,
Janesboro 7-0 Star Rvs,
Carew Park 2-1 Fairview Rgs,
Ballynanty Rvs 4-1 Corbally Utd,
Regional Utd 4-2 Summerville Rvs,
Fixtures
Tue 13/09/11 @ 6.15
Janesboro v Summerville Rvs, G Clancy
Aisling Annacotty v Corbally Utd, J McNamara
Ballynanty Rvs v Carew Park, D Broughton
Fair play to you Abbeyvale
ye got murdered this morning and you come on and update all the tables in all the leagues and give us the results
i dont know how you do it,id be heartbroken
your a good lad,keep up the good work
KilmallockYouth
11/09/2011, 1:16 PM
was davy todd playin centre half for kilmallock today??
who scored for pike?
Na his injured man..Hasn't played yet..Why..?? Who are you..?? Ahhh not sure of the 1st might have been Boyle was a bit scrappy..I know Tierny and bolyle got 2 and 3...and Granty got 4..Moloney 5 and Gazza 6..!!
Second
11/09/2011, 1:20 PM
Just telling it as it is.and don't be talking about what you know nothing about.they were giving it plenty all week about finally beating pike,so just keep up yere pike bashing they love it.
I don't think they said they would beat ye but they did say they would try give ye a game.. Talking about stuff I know nothing about.. Come out of the fog everyone knows what's going on..But IMO if the club had anymore ambition (since ye have won all ye can ) why not go munster senior league or something.. Maybe it's because it would dry up the clubs resources and ye might not attract the players anymore..as for slating pike I don't think I have ever slated their performances on the pitch .. Have I ??? So holly try cop on a bit and show some respect towards other real hard working clubs..
abbeyvale
11/09/2011, 1:34 PM
Fair play to you Abbeyvale
ye got murdered this morning and you come on and update all the tables in all the leagues and give us the results
i dont know how you do it,id be heartbroken
your a good lad,keep up the good work
Cheers pal, Of course Im pis*ed off but theres no point moping about, and in fairness I'm quick enough to update the results and tables when we get a good result, so it works both ways..........Oh how I'd love to get langers now, but can't unfortunatly
theboywonder8
11/09/2011, 1:34 PM
I hope the 12th man will act on that post about accusing clubs again like he said he would.you're a clever man aren't you,I'm not hiding but you are.and get over you're bitterness against pike .or is it just jealousy??????and you don't know anything.
Second
11/09/2011, 1:44 PM
Great response .. I'm not accusing clubs of anything.. I have no bitterness or jealousy against pike it's great to see local lads winning medals with their local club.. :)
Balanced bias
11/09/2011, 2:06 PM
Kilmallock 1 Pike 6..1-1 at half time we were shocking in the second half..!! Some very sloppy goal's..No luck at all..!!
No luck at all.....Ye are funny men out there!
Balanced bias
11/09/2011, 2:15 PM
Janesboro 7 - 0 Star (blown up 20mins early)
That's some hammering but i'm sure star will try bounce back from it as AA did in after there opening game hammering.
Boro are stringing some good results and scorelines together. Glad to see some1 making a bit of competition in the league this year.
Boro v Pike in the FAI should be a cracker.
KilmallockYouth
11/09/2011, 2:18 PM
I was referring to the goal's we conceded...I admitted we were outclassed and beaten well but it must be some bit unlucky when the rebound's never fell our way...Lik Grant's goal 2 deflection's from a free and straight onto his foot..!!
Football MaD
11/09/2011, 3:49 PM
They were giving it loads, whos they.??? It was one person who left all those comments, and thats last years manager, whos now with a different club, no one with kilmallock said we wer going to beat pike..where on this thread has he said yee would beat pike.i think you dont like last years manager as i have read most of your posts and your knocking him in alot of them.well done to pike and they were awsome again this morning.kilmallock done well the first half but ran out of gas the 2nd half.
hotspur
11/09/2011, 4:57 PM
I was referring to the goal's we conceded...I admitted we were outclassed and beaten well but it must be some bit unlucky when the rebound's never fell our way...Lik Grant's goal 2 deflection's from a free and straight onto his foot..!!
Your digging a hole for yourself ye lost lets move on, what was the pike line up?
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