Stephen Elliott

[livehead1]

No, No, No....The Eircom League does not get "raped again"...anyone in their right mind would not pay a healthy sum for a player who has not proved themselves in a top league. Gone are the days when a pennant would cost £3million.... no doubt hes good, but 100k aint too bad for him

[drinkfeckarse]

No, No, No....The Eircom League does not get "raped again"...anyone in their right mind would not pay a healthy sum for a player who has not proved themselves in a top league.


Agreed, a fair price IMO. If he's anything special then Waterford will have had the sense to put plenty of clauses in i.e. if he's capped or makes 50 appearances etc.

[paul_oshea]

Agreed, a fair price IMO. If he's anything special then Waterford will have had the sense to put plenty of clauses in i.e. if he's capped or makes 50 appearances etc.

in fairness mick mac doesnt have much to play with when it comes to paying for players, but 100,000 euro is feck all it really is. what does it pay for realistically especially when the lad had 21 goals or so for them last season.

i hope they do have a load of clauses on everything, goals, appearances and sweaty socks! because it really is pittance

[Peadar]

but 100k aint too bad for him

If they think he's good enough for a Premiership team then they should pay a decent price.
€200,000/€250,000 at least, with bonuses.

[tricky_colour]

"However, Waterford supporters will be disappointed to learn that the funds are unlikely to be allow player-manager Alan Reynolds to splash the cash, with percentages of the fee due to go to Murphy’s former clubs Luton Town and schoolboy outfit Southend."

http://breakingnews.iol.ie/sport/story.asp?j=141769036&p=y4y76974z

So they wont get all the 100,000 anyway.

Anyway it sounds as though he was brought up in England, was he born
there?

[eirebhoy]

Lets hope Mick listens to Kyle and makes Elliott-Kyle the first choice parntership:

"I think that we will see the best of Stephen Elliott at Premiership level. He has done well for us in the Championship but, in the Premiership, I think he could do even better.

“I do not want to make comparisons but he is that Kevin Phillips-type of player for us. He has the same stature and the same style of play and he will get better and better in the Premiership.

“He is a livewire and he will do well. I really hope he does because he is a good guy around the dressing room and he has been an excellent signing.

"When he came here from Manchester City last summer, he was an unknown and the things he has done this year have surprised everyone. But I still think there is a hell of a lot more to come from him.

"I haven’t had a chance to play with him and I would loved to have had. I think I could have helped him and he could have helped me.

"I could have made him look good and he could have made me look excellent. That’s what Niall Quinn and Kevin Phillips did, they complemented each other and hopefully we will get a chance to do that next season.”

[blobbyblob]

"However, Waterford supporters will be disappointed to learn that the funds are unlikely to be allow player-manager Alan Reynolds to splash the cash, with percentages of the fee due to go to Murphy’s former clubs Luton Town and schoolboy outfit Southend."

http://breakingnews.iol.ie/sport/story.asp?j=141769036&p=y4y76974z

So they wont get all the 100,000 anyway.

Anyway it sounds as though he was brought up in England, was he born
there?

Waterford through and through. Southend refers to the Waterford Junior League side.

He got homesick in Luton so had to come home. Signed for the blues that summer.

Best of luck to him

[tetsujin1979]

Stephen Elliott signed a one year extension to his contract with Sunderland before leaving on their pre season tour of the States, a good indication of the faith Mick has in him, hopefully he'll be first choice this season up front for the Black Cats.

More here (http://www.safc.com/news/?page_id=7441)

[zinedineontour]

hopefully him and stead will form a good partnership think it could work ... think mick might get another forward in though as were a bit light up front with only murphy and chris brown as backup ...

[superfrank]

Ah, Elliott. The most overrated Irish player of my generation. He had one good game against a very weakside when every other player was average.

I think he will seriously struggle next season in the Premiership.

[Stuttgart88]

Ah, Elliott. The most overrated Irish player of my generation. He had one good game against a very weakside when every other player was average.

I think he will seriously struggle next season in the Premiership.

Personally I thought his 16 goals in his first season (and the quality of many of them) and his goals in the World Youth Cup suggest that this guy has a bright future ahead of him.

Next year will be tough alright, but a 20 year old striker having a tough year in a side battling relegation won't go any way to prove or disprove your contention about being so overrated.

I've read nothing into his Faroes performance. He was nothing special up there in my opinion, but my rating of the guy is based on what I saw of him for Sunderland and Ireland U20s.

[zinedineontour]

Ah, Elliott. The most overrated Irish player of my generation. He had one good game against a very weakside when every other player was average.

I think he will seriously struggle next season in the Premiership.

overated ? in his first season as a regular starter score 15 goals for sunderland and voted young player of the year ? Very underated imo .... to me will develop into a better alround player than the moan that is robbie keane with time .... quality player who will grace the prem this season..

[eirebhoy]

Ah, Elliott. The most overrated Irish player of my generation. He had one good game against a very weakside when every other player was average.

I think he will seriously struggle next season in the Premiership.
I couldn't believe the amount of people in the pub that had hardly heard of Elliott when he was playing against the Faroes. Looks like you're another one of those.

[jorge]

Thats nice but would they not have waited untill the league was finished?

[dynamo kerry]

tis gas - it's like when sadlier and lee got capped- no one had a clue who they were.the same will happen when glenn whelan gets called up

people who havent heard of elliot and reckon he' over hyped when they do hear of him clearly only watch whats going on at chelsea/utd/liverpool

[Stuttgart88]

I couldn't believe the amount of people in the pub that had hardly heard of Elliott when he was playing against the Faroes. Looks like you're another one of those.

It's the same at Lansdowne Road. It's infuriating.

[Peadar]

Personally I thought his 16 goals in his first season (and the quality of many of them) and his goals in the World Youth Cup suggest that this guy has a bright future ahead of him.

Once again, I find myself agreeing with you.
He has yet to kick a ball in anger in the EPL but some of us want to kick him.
I wish him the very best of luck, coming into a tough league with an average team. I'm looking forward to seeing him this season.

[superfrank]

I've heard of him before. I just found it sinister that Macca was building him up as the next best thing for us. ?He has a poor first touch and how he missed that chance I'll never know! :eek:

Yes, he scored 15/16 goals in somnething like 29/30 league games. I don't find that terribly impressive. If he could score 15/16 goals in 29/30 Premiership games next season maybe I'll change my opinion but imo he is overrated.

[tetsujin1979]

If he scored that amount of goals last season, he'd be the third top scorer in the league, ahead of

Robert Pires (14)
Jermain Defoe (13)
Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink (13)
Frank Lampard (13)
Aiyegbeni Yakubu (13)
Andy Cole (12)
Peter Crouch (12)
Eidur Gudjohnsen (12)
Tim Cahill (11)
Robert Earnshaw (11)
Robbie Keane (11)
Wayne Rooney (11)
Didier Drogba (10)

All top players, IMO if he gets into double figures, it'll be seen as a good season for Elliott.

BTW are you basing his "poor first touch" on the one game against the Faroes??

[eirebhoy]

I've heard of him before. I just found it sinister that Macca was building him up as the next best thing for us. ?He has a poor first touch and how he missed that chance I'll never know! :eek:

Yes, he scored 15/16 goals in somnething like 29/30 league games. I don't find that terribly impressive. If he could score 15/16 goals in 29/30 Premiership games next season maybe I'll change my opinion but imo he is overrated.
Poor first touch? My arse. Again you're are actually the person judging him on the one game against the Faroes mate. BTW, its pretty difficult to score more than a goal per start in any English division. Robbie Keane scored 24 goals in 67 division 1 league starts for Wolves. Damien Duff was absolutely brutal in division 1 when Blackburn got relegated.

[Stuttgart88]

but imo he is overrated.

The most overrated of your generation?

Who knows how he'll turn out but I've seen enough of him to think he'll do well, but not necessarily immediately. I think everyone at Sunderland will find it tough next year.

My personal view is that this kid has a natural goalscoring instinct that's quite rare for an Irish player.

[zinedineontour]

The most overrated of your generation?

Who knows how he'll turn out but I've seen enough of him to think he'll do well, but not necessarily immediately. I think everyone at Sunderland will find it tough next year.

My personal view is that this kid has a natural goalscoring instinct that's quite rare for an Irish player.

dont know how the lad is overated cause he has only just come on the scene and is still third choice striker in kerrs eyes.... quality season at sunderland seen him many a time last season and imo was our best forward .. layed on so many goals for other players as well as those he scored himself.. will find it tough this season but who wont in the sunderland team.. he is at a good club with good people around him and imo already is a better finisher than robbie ...

[Stuttgart88]

Not sure if I've misunderstood you Zinedine but the "most overrated Irish player on my generation" remark was Superfrank's originally. I was just wondering if he still stood by that remark.

[zinedineontour]

Not sure if I've misunderstood you Zinedine but the "most overrated Irish player on my generation" remark was Superfrank's originally. I was just wondering if he still stood by that remark.

nah was not having a go at you just too lazy to scroll up page for quote so just put in yours ....

[superfrank]

Poor first touch? My arse. Again you're are actually the person judging him on the one game against the Faroes mate. BTW, its pretty difficult to score more than a goal per start in any English division. Robbie Keane scored 24 goals in 67 division 1 league starts for Wolves. Damien Duff was absolutely brutal in division 1 when Blackburn got relegated.
Damien Duff is NOT a natural goalscorer, it's not his job.

[eirebhoy]

Damien Duff is NOT a natural goalscorer, it's not his job.
I never said he was. All I'm saying is just because a player can get 10 goals and 10 assists in the premiership doesn't mean he'll get much more in the Championship or vice versa.

BTW, someone mentioned Elliott setting up goals. The last figure I had was 8 assists which was a couple of months before the end of the season so he probably ended up with about 10.

[Fergie's Son]

It's not that he is overrated as much as he might be getting overexposed. Elliot is really all we have as an up-and-coming striker so of course he is going to get a lot of press in Irish circles.

He looks like a good, if somewhat slight, player who might just cut it in the Premiership. Time is on his side though. Please don't confuse excitement at a players potential will overrating said player.

[Qwerty]

I don't think he is either overrated or overexposed - I think the expectations of him are realistic. The kid is 20 and in his first full season of first teams games he was the top scorer ( or maybe 1 behind Stewart, too lazy to check ) for the team that won the Championship. Not a bad start to a career.

He record at underage for Ireland is excellent, record scorer at U21 level I think?

He will improve, we have so few Irish strikers that really get to become top flight regulars - Stapleton, Quinn and Keane are the only Irish-born strikers in the past 20 years to play top flight regularly...and score.

He won't be an Henry or RVN but can become an alternative in the near term to Robbie and Clinton.

[dr_peepee]

It's the same at Lansdowne Road. It's infuriating.


Don;t get me started... The worst for me was at the Brazil friendly when two D4 heads behind me were 'tawking' about the new young midfielder Grham Kavanagh.... Kavanagh FFS... More grey hair than inpsector Morse and they're calling him new AND young...

"Stick to the sailing & the egg chasing my friends" I was thinking!!!

[superfrank]

....played well for once. Unfortunately. I still can't stand him. It was a good goal but I have some problem with him that I can't quite figure out for myself.

Anyway, before I'm berated at how good he is I'll leave you with one fact. He's scored more International goials this season then domestic ones.

[tetsujin1979]

Big deal. so had McAteer when he scored against Holland

[Qwerty]

....played well for once. Unfortunately. I still can't stand him. It was a good goal but I have some problem with him that I can't quite figure out for myself.

Anyway, before I'm berated at how good he is I'll leave you with one fact. He's scored more International goials this season then domestic ones.

Well you better get used to it because he is going to be around for a long time to come. If RVN was playing for Sunderland he might be in the same position :D

[Irish_Praha]

I bet he scores for Sunderland before the end of this month. He was played on the right hand side of MF for the first few games. However, he has played up front for the last two games and put in man-of-the-match performances and looked very lively. So far he has been denied due to some good saves and maybe his finishing could be a bit better but I think scoring his first goal of the season will do the world of good for him. It's only a matter of time before he gets his first goal in the Premership. I reckon he'll be an 8 to 10 goal striker for Sunderland this season, with about the same number of assists.
Hopefully he'll score as many between now and the end of the World Cup for Ireland ;) :D

[thejollyrodger]

what kind of problems ???? I thought he was a decent player. Not great but not useless either.

[zinedineontour]

Really think after sat nights performance by elliott who apart from given seemed to be the only one who gave a ****e and played for the shirt the lad has to start on wednesday .. He chased everything and created a couple of chances . Might sound bit mad but id drop robbie as he needs a kick up the hole as he is one lazy ******* for ireland these days . If he realises his position is not guaranteed for ireland might bring out the best in him ..

[shakermaker1982]

If Kerr did that I'd eat my keyboard!!!!!!

No player is immune from not playing in the starting 11 IMO, not even Zidane but I do think Robbie believes Kerr would never drop him because he is our number 1 striker. If we went on form alone (forgetting reputation and past history) then Robbie would have to get used to the wooden bench (as he knows only too well at Spurs). Clinton and Elliott both track back and chase, sadly Robbie doesn't do that. I think I'd give him the benefit of the doubt because he is a class player on his day.

[mountie]

I would definitely start Elliott and Morrison upfront with Keane coming off the bench, as he does with Spurs. Don't see Kerr doing that though. Might be an opportunity for Keane to play in front of the midfield supporting the front two of Morrison and Elliott, he comes so deep sometimes to get the ball that he never looks like an out and out striker to me anyway. Any thoughts ?

[thejollyrodger]

clinton over robbie ? that would be a very brave decision IMO. I can see why but dropping our number one goal scorer would be a big pill to swallow.

[Tram_14]

Might be an opportunity for Keane to play in front of the midfield supporting the front two of Morrison and Elliott, he comes so deep sometimes to get the ball that he never looks like an out and out striker to me anyway. Any thoughts ?

I'm not sure how that would work defensively, but I think it would be a very good option if we went one down or with 20 mins to go & looking for a win. Morrison could hold the ball up with robbie & elliot both feeding off it, giving us more possibilities of scoring. All the swiss need is a draw so we have to be very careful of the counter attack, but if we are drawing with 15/20 mins to go this is what I would imagine Kerr will do.

BTW Just heard on 9.00 news Duff is out.

[zinedineontour]

....played well for once. Unfortunately. I still can't stand him. It was a good goal but I have some problem with him that I can't quite figure out for myself.

Anyway, before I'm berated at how good he is I'll leave you with one fact. He's scored more International goials this season then domestic ones.

you need to get the problem sorted as the lad is quality .. If robbie keane put half the effort in that elliott does we would have had no problems on sat night ..

[thejollyrodger]

maybe robbie should be dropped. we have connolly and elliott and morrision who are good for a goal.

[Stuttgart88]

Superfrank, you really have it in for Elliott don't you? :)

We crossed swords on this issue in a Kevin Doyle thread a few months ago. I've been of the view for a while now that Elliott is the most naturally talented finisher of any young Irish player I've ever seen. I thought his finish on Saturday helps to endorse that view. His all round game is decent & can improve but you can't coach the natural ability to poach goals. It was actually a very difficult situtation & the sheer instinctive nature of the finish was one of only a few faint positives from saturday.

[Adrianovic]

I can't see Kerr dropping Robbie, it would be career suicide. Even if we beat the Swiss, the media would kill him for it.

I think a new formation may well have to be found for Wednesday if the Swiss are going to be very happy with a draw, and we are a little bit short in the midfield.

As for Elliott, he'll be scoring goals for years to come.

Ade

[pete]

At least the emergence of Elliot will force Robbie Keane to get his act together if nothing else & prove that there is an option on the bench.

[livehead1]

I can't see Kerr dropping Robbie, it would be career suicide. Even if we beat the Swiss, the media would kill him for it.

I think a new formation may well have to be found for Wednesday if the Swiss are going to be very happy with a draw, and we are a little bit short in the midfield.

As for Elliott, he'll be scoring goals for years to come.

Ade
if we beat the swiss with keane dropped then i think it will be a massive + by the name of brian kerr and will be a serious reality check for that lazy c*nt keane.

[superfrank]

Superfrank, you really have it in for Elliott don't you? :)

We crossed swords on this issue in a Kevin Doyle thread a few months ago. I've been of the view for a while now that Elliott is the most naturally talented finisher of any young Irish player I've ever seen. I thought his finish on Saturday helps to endorse that view. His all round game is decent & can improve but you can't coach the natural ability to poach goals. It was actually a very difficult situtation & the sheer instinctive nature of the finish was one of only a few faint positives from saturday.
In the games I had seen him in before the Cyprus match, I was very much unimpressed. I still don't like him but I'll acknowledge that he's a good player.

[thejollyrodger]

robbie will never be dropped for our most important game since the dutch qualifer. If Kerr did that the media would write a book about it. robbie to be defintely taken off after 45minutes or 60minutes though. He can do all his flicks and faints in the changing roooms :D

[zinedineontour]

if the rest of the outfield players had have shown the passion and hunger elliott did on sat we would have had no problems ... robbie has got lazier and lazier and needs a good slap to get the lad going again ..

[TheJamaicanP.M.]

Stephen Elliott is supposed to have scored a cracker of a goal for Sunderland. He's become first choice striker for Sunderland in recent weeks. I've been really impressed with his start to the season and he is one of the few positives for Irish football at the moment.

[Irish_Praha]

Good stuff. In the last thread about Elliott, where some guy said he hates him for some reason I said he would score before the end of the month because in the 2 games before, where he was finally played as a striker, he gave motm performances and did everything except score. I know I'm jumping the gun a bit but I reckon Keegan was some tool for letting him go so cheap. I expect him to be around the 10 goal mark by the end of the season, which would be pretty decent for a 20 yr olds first season the EPL. I think he would be a useful player for City. Hopefull he can keep his good form up. I also hope in another few years we will be saying Keegan was a tool to let Paddy Mac go on a free too.
Morrisson, McShane (he looks like a gem), Lee (Surely a better option than the Doc), Macken and Garreth O'Conner (6th goal of the season from midfield, also worth a try at national level, although it was a peno today) all scored in the championship.