Simon Cox (F Western Sydney Wanderers b.1987)

[Larssonisghod]

yeah he just appeared recently and took over every thread with statements designed just to wind people. Ive been sucked in a few times but its best to just ignore :)

i know the type:).. reminds me of a guy i know who actually goes to most games, home and away.
Unless you and your parents are born in the 26, well then your not irish. Idiot!

[boovidge]

There are 32 counties my good man...Born on the Island of Ireland makes you Irish son regardless of religion or color :cool:

I think that's the point he's making.

[irishultra]

I just love these racial purists who pop their heads up every now and again. Let me ask you Yapster - how do you define who's Irish and who's not? I mean you are the sole authority on the subject, aren't you?

You will give preference to someone born in Ireland of say (for example, Bosnian, Romanian, Nigerian or Moroccan parents). You will call them Irish, yet you will shut the door to the grandkids of people (who were actually born in Ireland and lived there for decades)?

Gets sort of complicated doesn't it when you start drawing lines on heritage? Just let the Irish Passport Office decide will you. They know what they're doing.


Sorry guys for a rant which has little to do with the game, but just can't sit here and listen to the crap.

I would. If you have only one Irish grandparent, you will not feel Irish. The only time you will think of being Irish is if you are a decent footballer who knows they won't ever make the English team and sees the Irish team as an opportunity for some International football.

In my opinion, the Irish kid with Bosnian or Nigerian parents is much more Irish than someone who is from London but with an Irish name. In fact a Nigerian kid born in Ireland in 1990 is more Irish than me even though I have two Irish parents. I was born outside the country. That Nigerian kid speaks with a Dublin accent and is more culturally immersed in Ireland than I am.

The rule should stop at parents, if someone is happy to be Irish that is great, but sadly I don't want them on the team.

[Larssonisghod]

There are 32 counties my good man...Born on the Island of Ireland makes you Irish son regardless of religion or color :cool:

eh, i should have used quotations.. i wasnt saying that. this idiot i know holds that opinion. similar to thinking you have to live in ireland to be irish!


both of which are wrong.

being irish is so much more than living on this island.. i know plenty of ppl 2nd,3G irish who are more irish that half the idiots at the RDS most friday evenings!

[Larssonisghod]

In my opinion, the Irish kid with Bosnian or Nigerian parents is much more Irish than someone who is from London but with an Irish name. In fact a Nigerian kid born in Ireland in 1990 is more Irish than me even though I have two Irish parents. I was born outside the country. That Nigerian kid speaks with a Dublin accent and is more culturally immersed in Ireland than I am.

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it all depends on how that person views themselves.Europe is so much more than where you are born and live, Wars, economics etc dictate this, Algerians in Paris and Marseille after the game in Paris spring to mind. Plenty of migrants who have come to ireland will declare for their homeland whether that be in north africa or eastern europe. I for one support that becuase that is the community to which they feel they belong. Equally, if someone FEELS irish then ill 100% support that too. but its about choice. McGeady has irish grandparents and feels irish. end of.

[Larssonisghod]

That Nigerian kid speaks with a Dublin accent and is more culturally immersed in Ireland than I am.

certainly not. an accent doesnt dictate your nationality. thats very insular attitude.



The rule should stop at parents, if someone is happy to be Irish that is great, but sadly I don't want them on the team.


a jumped up little austrian had similar views back in the 30s.

redhedandfrecklessupportersclub.

[irishultra]

it all depends on how that person views themselves.Europe is so much more than where you are born and live, Wars, economics etc dictate this, Algerians in Paris and Marseille after the game in Paris spring to mind. Plenty of migrants who have come to ireland will declare for their homeland whether that be in north africa or eastern europe. I for one support that becuase that is the community to which they feel they belong. Equally, if someone FEELS irish then ill 100% support that too. but its about choice. McGeady has irish grandparents and feels irish. end of.

Ok I'm not so big into multiculturalism, it leads to divide(the north of ireland and the country im born in(belgium) being poignant examples.

its good for immigrants to bring aspects of their culture but they need to consider themselves irish(or whatever nationality) first(this especially in the case of 'old world' countries). i wouldnt want to see future players opt for their parents country over ireland. i respect their choice don't get me wrong but i don't want to see it.

oh and yeah mcgeady but i will say the guy played with ireland since under-14's or something, that is not exactly clinton 'who will i play for?' morrison. i think he should be with scotland but i have no problem with people like him. he showed great charachter and will respect him always for that. he made a difficult decision in choosing ireland, mercenaries like kevin nolan and jamie 'always wanted to play for england but actually i'm prob not good enough' o'hara, no thanks.

it's not black and white i agree, but i have no interest in seeing ireland get good because of a change in a rule allows us to call up people who happen to have irish blood, i'd rather be like san marino.

[irishultra]

eh, i should have used quotations.. i wasnt saying that. this idiot i know holds that opinion. similar to thinking you have to live in ireland to be irish!


both of which are wrong.

being irish is so much more than living on this island.. i know plenty of ppl 2nd,3G irish who are more irish that half the idiots at the RDS most friday evenings!

:rolleyes:
there is no such thing as being more irish than someone else. theres no way to be irish. i wasnt born in ireland so i'm less irish than someone who was born there. i was born in belgium, i am more belgian than an american of belgian descent. they are facts.

[boovidge]

certainly not. an accent doesnt dictate your nationality. thats very insular attitude.



a jumped up little austrian had similar views back in the 30s.

redhedandfrecklessupportersclub .

Hitler would have been all for 3g Germans playing for Germany.

The view that Irish citizens, born abroad, shouldn't be able to play for the team is an interesting one because it's nationalist in the sense that it puts forward an exclusive view of Irishness based strictly on birthplace but is contradictory to traditional Irish nationalism which recognises the right of the children and grandchildren (and further) of emmigrants to identify themselves as Irish. Those who don't recognise 2nd and 3rd generation as Irish should campaign for the right these people have to be Irish citizens to be taken away. This would solve the "problem" of them playing for the Irish football side.

[TrapAPony]

1. I have no interest in seeing ireland get good because of a change in a rule allows us to call up people who happen to have irish blood.

2. I'd rather be like san marino.

1. I have & I hope those such as Nolan, O'Hara, Cahill, Noble etc. join us.

2. I wouldn't :(

[EastTerracer]

:rolleyes:
there is no such thing as being more irish than someone else. theres no way to be irish. i wasnt born in ireland so i'm less irish than someone who was born there. i was born in belgium, i am more belgian than an american of belgian descent. they are facts.

I refer you and Rafa Benitez to a large book called a dictionary. Look up the word FACT and the word OPINION. What you have said above is an opinion, not a fact. Yapster struggled with the same concept last week.

[irishultra]

no an opinion would be that a kid with nigerian parents is more irish than someone born in a foreign country with irish parents. the latter is just reality.

[EastTerracer]

no an opinion would be that a kid with nigerian parents is more irish than someone born in a foreign country with irish parents. the latter is just reality.

Again, read the dictionary.

[irishultra]

that way of thinking would be generally accepted.

[EastTerracer]

that way of thinking would be generally accepted.

Ok, I'm being pedantic and I know what you mean here. A generally accepted principle does not make something fact though. Rafa got caught out on this last year....

Personally I don't have any problem with the grandparents rules (anyone who qualifies to be a citizen is regarded as equally Irish in the eyes of the law). However, I do agree that we should be prioritising players who genuinely want to play for Ireland.

[irishultra]

ok yes that is all i want. read my post in the o'hara, naugthon thread.

[Wangball]

no an opinion would be that a kid with nigerian parents is more irish than someone born in a foreign country with irish parents. the latter is just reality.

Fair play for having an opinion, too bad its highly ignorant, the fact is a child born to Irish parents in another country is just as Irish as any child born in Ireland, this is a right and privelege conveyed by the constitution of our country

In one of the other threads you've held Kilbane up as an example of the ideal foreign born player, yet in this thread you've had the gall to suggest that he's not really Irish at all, I wonder how he'd feel about that?

This is essentially Jingoism, why aren't the mods doing anything about it?

[irishultra]

i said the same about myself.

[Irwin3]

Just scored a cracker against spurs.

[Paddy Garcia]

Just scored a cracker against spurs.

Please keep on the subject Irwin - have you nothing to say about Belgians or Nigerians or even Nigerians of Belgian descent?

[Irwin3]

Please keep on the subject Irwin - have you nothing to say about Belgians or Nigerians or even Nigerians of Belgian descent?

My sarcasm meter is picking up a 10/10 reading. Some of that nonsense above is pretty ancient stuff too. Shows that Cox has had a quiet season in the prem. Indeed that was his first ever goal in the prem! Fine way to do it.

[irish scout]

Hi Folks, I reckon the US games or a B international would be a great opportunity to look at Simon Cox, and on the topic of anglo-irish players my question is ...does anyone know if Kieran Trippier of Barnsley is eligible? My Barnsley supporting mate reckons he is, he holds underage caps for England however as Ciaran Clark proved that doesnt necessarily define where hes allegiances might lie.Regards.

[TrapAPony]

Looks like he's our newest player.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0505/1224296145932.html

On a brighter note, Simon Cox, the West Brom player who can play up front or just behind the strikers, is at an advanced stage of completing the paperwork required to declare for Ireland.

The 24 year-old, whose grandmother was born in Galway, has scored four goals this season, having made 10 starts and 11 appearances from the bench. Three of those goals, however, came in the League Cup.

If the process is successfully completed over the next two weeks then Cox is likely to join up with the squad and provide the manager with an additional option as he tries to juggle his resources over what thus far remains, pending the confirmation of a post Macedonia friendly, a three-match programme.

[theworm2345]

Meh, he's no better than Keane, Doyle, Walters, Long, etc. Always nice to have the option though if he hits form or we have an injury crisis.

[Serb]

Meh, he's no better than Keane, Doyle, Walters, Long, etc. Always nice to have the option though if he hits form or we have an injury crisis.

A striker playing fairly regularly in the Premier League is nothing to be sniffed at in my book. Brom are safe for another season too, which is more than can be said for the clubs of Keane and Doyle.

[Deckydee]

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2011/05/06/simon-cox-gets-first-ireland-call-up/

[TrapAPony]

Another start today v Wolves

[DannyInvincible]

Cox starts up front with Odemwingie for WBA today away to Wolves. Stephen Hunt makes first start for Wolves since January. Stephen Ward also playing in attack and Kevin Foley at the back.

[TrapAPony]

WITH AN international call-up for the Republic of Ireland still looking like a remote prospect even a couple of months ago, West Brom’s Simon Cox has revealed he has had to cancel his holidays in order to travel to Dublin this month for the games against Northern Ireland and Scotland.

The 24-year-old, whose grandmother emigrated from Galway to England as a young woman, is hoping to make his debut after the paperwork relating to his declaration for Ireland was completed. His opportunity has come after a good spell at the Hawthorns where new manager Roy Hodgson has made Cox a first-team regular since taking over.

“I’d already booked my holidays so I’ve had to cancel one to Marbella and move one back to Dubai so I can go and play,” he says.

“But I was more than happy to do that. It was something I never thought was going to come up but the chance to play international football is not something I want to pass up. It’s a good time for me to get in and around it at this stage of my development. I see getting caps for Ireland as a proud moment and so do my family.

“My grandmother is very proud,” he added. “She moved over to England when she was young and married my grandad. All her sisters and my dad’s cousins are all still in Galway.”

Cox said last week that he had been about to look for a move to another club until Hodgson replaced Roberto Di Matteo but his future with the midlands outfit now looks a good deal brighter..

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0511/1224296698441.html

[Murfinator]

meh championship quality player.

Annoying to see guys like this who make a handful of so-so appearances called up ahead of guys like harte and Delap who've been exceptional again this season and LB and CM are far bigger problem areas for us than our striking options.

Seems like Irish call-up policy in the past decade has always favoured mediocre guys in their early 20's over quality players 30+.

[geysir]

You're more grumpy today than usual, Murfinator?

[Noelys Guitar]

Very interesting snippet here about how Cox, Tardelli and Roy Hodgson from todays Examiner.

It was Tardelli who scouted one of the success stories of the last few games, the West Brom striker Simon Cox — with, as it turns out, more than a little help from the club manager.

"I saw him and I spoke also with Roy Hodgson and asked about him. He told me he is a good player, he is skilful, he works very hard for the team and he is a good boy. It was the first time a manager rang me and told me whether a player would play or not before a game, so I went to watch him and he played well. We have a good group now but we hope we can still find other players like him."

[Charlie Darwin]

"he is a good boy." - definitely the kind of thing Hogson would say. Could be a nice guy to have in our corner should Steven Reid reconsider his retirement.

[Sullivinho]

Fair play to Roy Hodgson for playing his part. Nice to see a club manager encouraging players when it comes to international football.

In fairness though, it was Cox himself (http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsoftheworld.co.uk%2Fnotw%2 Fsport%2Ffootball%2Fmatch_reports%2Fchampionship%2 F635058%2FCOX-REVEALS-REPUBLIC-OF-IRELAND-DREAM.html&rct=j&q=COX-REVEALS-REPUBLIC-OF-IRELAND-DREAM&ei=C4nxTf6sFsSLhQeLy9lB&usg=AFQjCNFY14wtZrDQ31VJSo8rgZLI6X0eVQ&cad=rja%3Cbr%20/%3E) who made the first positive sounds back in 2009 and was apparently mentioning his availability to Reading teammates Doyle and Hunt even earlier than that.

He surely does come across as a good lad alright. Pleased to see him getting off to a good start given his eagerness to be involved.

[BonnieShels]

Fair play to Roy Hodgson for playing his part. Nice to see a club manager encouraging players when it comes to international football.

In fairness though, it was Cox himself (http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsoftheworld.co.uk%2Fnotw%2 Fsport%2Ffootball%2Fmatch_reports%2Fchampionship%2 F635058%2FCOX-REVEALS-REPUBLIC-OF-IRELAND-DREAM.html&rct=j&q=COX-REVEALS-REPUBLIC-OF-IRELAND-DREAM&ei=C4nxTf6sFsSLhQeLy9lB&usg=AFQjCNFY14wtZrDQ31VJSo8rgZLI6X0eVQ&cad=rja%3Cbr%20/%3E) who made the first positive sounds back in 2009 and was apparently mentioning his availability to Reading teammates Doyle and Hunt even earlier than that.

He surely does come across as a good lad alright. Pleased to see him getting off to a good start given his eagerness to be involved.

Stories abound that he's the new Gary Waddock!

[Kingdom]

Stories abound that he's the new Gary Waddock!

What's this Bonnie?

[BonnieShels]

Story I heard before and was actually reiterated here recently that Jack regretted bringing Stapo to Italy because all he did was whinge and has said that he wished he brought Waddock instead of Frank because although he was wasn't as talented he was much better to have around for morale etc.

Not saying Coxy isn't talented just that it reminds me if this story.

[Kingdom]

Sorry, yes I do remember you mentioning that before.
And yes, I've heard the same stories from the week or so the team spent together. He seemingly took everyone by surprise and was a major part of the bonding. Astonishing to think that has happened after week1.

[BonnieShels]

Shows what a bit of enthusiasm will do fur the team.

[Stuttgart88]

Story I heard before and was actually reiterated here recently that Jack regretted bringing Stapo to Italy because all he did was whinge and has said that he wished he brought Waddock instead of Frank because although he was wasn't as talented he was much better to have around for morale etc.

Not saying Coxy isn't talented just that it reminds me if this story.Yep, I referred to that last week too, and Clive Woodward's "termites" analogy. That's one really important result from the last fortnight - the squad mentality, unity and sense of purpose.

[BonnieShels]

Yep, I referred to that last week too, and Clive Woodward's "termites" analogy. That's one really important result from the last fortnight - the squad mentality, unity and sense of purpose.
Indeed it was you stutts. Look where it got woodward.

Also might I throw this in there. Compare the ability of the dutch team under marwijk to those down the years. There's certainly a step down in ability but the attitude Is far superior.

[Stuttgart88]

I was laughed out of it, but I still think some of our back 4 are better than the Dutch back 4 that got to a WC Final, and has won 22 out their last 23 competitive games.

I think Dunne, O'Shea and Given are better than their Dutch counterparts. I even thought at the time that Stephen Carr could have been their right back. Age didn't hold Van Bronckhorst back.

[Kingdom]

Indeed it was you stutts. Look where it got woodward.

Also might I throw this in there. Compare the ability of the dutch team under marwijk to those down the years. There's certainly a step down in ability but the attitude Is far superior.

It helps that van Marwijk is a belter of a manager too though.

[Kingdom]

I was laughed out of it, but I still think some of our back 4 are better than the Dutch back 4 that got to a WC Final, and has won 22 out their last 23 competitive games.

I think Dunne, O'Shea and Given are better than their Dutch counterparts. I even thought at the time that Stephen Carr could have been their right back. Age didn't hold Van Bronckhorst back.

I don't rate Steklenberg at all, and am surprised by how much he's sought after. He's good, but he's not better than Given. As a partnership Dunne and O'Shea are much better, but now at full back we lag behind greatly. van der viel and peters are great now, and will get better.

[Stuttgart88]

Stekelenberg has the VDS-like physique that has become the vogue for keepers now. It's just assumed that tall thin keepers are good keepers, but in my opinion it doesn't equate. Schwarzer is assumed to be a top keeper but it's easy to look good at Fulham. He had a mare of a World Cup. His judgment was flawed and his handling poor. How he was deemed to be better than Shay by many (e.g., Arsenal) was amazing.

[BonnieShels]

Scored tonight against Bournemouth in the Cocaworthlittle Cup

[TrapAPony]

Gets a start v Arsenal

[Chicago AOH]

West Brom: Simon Cox considering move away from the Hawthorns

SIMON Cox has conceded that he might need to move away from Albion to fulfil his ambitions of playing in Euro 2012.
The Republic of Ireland international has remained loyal to Albion in the past, despite being linked with several clubs last season.
Those gestures have drawn praise from boss Roy Hodgson, but the 24-year-old now admits the time might be right to move on.
Cox, who has started just one Premier League game this season, knows that he will need plenty of game time to convince Giovanni Trapattoni to pick him for his Poland/Ukraine-bound Ireland squad next summer.
And that might mean a move away from the Hawthorns either on loan or permanently.
Cox intends to use the coming weeks to decide his future before the January transfer window opens.
“I’m never happy when I’m not playing,” said Cox.
“I would like to play more and it might be something I have to look at in the Christmas period.
“I might have to look at what I do but it’ll be decision made then, not anytime soon.
“If that is to happen then it’ll be a decision that suits everyone concerned - myself, my family, the club and if there is a club who would take me on loan or more.
“It’s a decision that’ll be made further down the line.
“The manager has said some kind things.
“But if you don’t play then you can’t show what you can do.
“I want to be in the best physical shape possible and in the best mental state to give myself the best chance of getting to the Euros.
“My form has to be good and that will only happen if I’m playing games.
“So I will have to look at what the manager thinks, what he wants to do - we have the January window coming up and he might want to bring people in himself too.
“Maybe he might think the time is right for me to go somewhere else. Obviously there are still a few weeks to go but we will see how it all unfolds.”
Zoltan Gera’s recent injury provided an opportunity for Graham Dorrans at QPR.
But Cox believes he is also capable of stepping into that role, despite being a more natural striker.
“I am happy playing in that role, I played there under Robbie (Di Matteo) and last season too.
“Don’t get me wrong, I would love to play in a 4-4-2 as a centre forward but we don’t always play that way.
“And if there is a role for me then it’s about getting into the team and showing what you can do.
“It’s up to me to get into the side by hook or by crook.”

Source: birminghammail.net

[Sullivinho]

I was anticipating a story like this regarding Cox in the run-up to the window. He's the odd one out at this point when it comes to our strikers and their minutes on the pitch. Not that Trap's selection process would rest entirely on that.

[Olé Olé]

Hopefully he'll get a Premiership move, because I think he's deserving of that level, not just on the basis of his international form but some of the glimpses he showed last season at WBA. But in fairness to Hodgson, he's left Cox with the unenviable task of dismantling Long. I think he'd fit in at many of the second-half sides. If he stepped down to Championship level there are a lot of variables to take into consideration in relation to his own form and the form of the side he's joining in a very competitive league. A few months powering a side to play-offs/promotion wouldn't do him any harm.